Guild Wars 2

Zackie.8923:

i am sure the expansion for guild wars is => GUILD WARS : WARRIORS

That would be so sexy.

Yamsandjams.3267:

It also won’t override stability, so you can still protect yourself from interrupts while sheltering.

Exactly. Boons are very strong and having access to so many is even stronger, which is why they’re shooting to give “hate” mechanics. While I feel they could be handled somewhat differently, this is really only a trial run in a positive direction, I feel.

Sokina.8041:

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Still with the overwhelming, unfounded arrogance. I see that hasn’t changed. Some “L2P” mentality stuck in there too! As someone with potentially months to live, I almost feel sorry for the way you opt to go through life. You’ll probably carry it with you until the end with no real cause. For what, so you can feel better about yourself and deliver underhanded comments because I’m in the thread? That’s your choice. Anyway, I’ve wasted guardians exponentially more threatening than the heal build you run. It’s not going to save you against people worth their salt. /shrug

Warriors have been asking for balance. A good number of them want exactly that. It’s not that people are overjoyed at +% damage boon hate, it’s that they’re overjoyed at the fact that Anet is finally responding. It isn’t enough, because the mechanics are limited. There will be more patches. And then more after that. I expect them to go in all directions, until skill matters even more than it does now. I literally might not even see that day, but it’s a promising thought.

Anyway, no disappointment from me. I was killing plenty before the patch. This will just bring it further in line.

gfox.6501:

And then leave it on autocast in the middle of LA bank.

EXACTLY.

I’m not fighting for or against Sea of Sorrow, but like group shots like this of warriors. It says, “We are a determined class; together we can overcome anything. [”Fear Me!“]”

I still just want a shout that is a crazed, horrifying scream.

Haha, maybe I do have a checklist!

Aberrant.6749:

The 3% won’t overcome protection… but it will hurt those more glassy builds who are using boons for extra damage FAR more than it will hurt the bunkers. […]

I’d say this is partially true – I respect the power of my fellow warriors! However it can significantly lessen the damage reduction that bunkers might have, thereby allowing them to finally be shredded by a competent player all the same if they aren’t on their toes, which I think was the goal. Be afraid; [“Fear Me!”] ^_~

I have to wonder how some of the people in this thread reacted when they learned that Corrupt Boon was a thing.

lol, oh lordy.

Please do start excluding warriors from your games. I needed a more obvious way to filter out groups which aren’t worth my time to join. xD

Well, with retaliation getting nerfed, I don’t see why not.

I think that is something which will be addressed in coming patches. I don’t believe all guardians are bunkers, but can certainly see the pressure to spec that way. It’s just like warriors being expected to run zerk in half of the game – adding more straight up damage doesn’t help this, but I am glad they’re at least trying something. Personally, I expect more of this and adjustments to this over the next two or so monthly patches.

Amins, your post isn’t even relevant. Enough said about what? That I have enough awareness to survive situations like the kind I described without building to be a tank? Haha. It’s hit and run mostly and not all that forgiving if you make a mistake. I’m really looking forward to what these changes can bring, though – should give me a few more options. But by all means, continue pointlessly stalking my posts like some sort of psychopath.

And in case you were wondering – which I’m sure you are due to your apparent obsession with destroying this thread and following me across this forum – I’m not interested in seeing whatever bizarre explanation you have for your post, because it will no doubt be stuffed full of baseless accusations, personal attacks, and condescending remarks. Just drop it and move on.

lLobo, I agree. People act like the sky is falling and it’s not even patch day.

Eh, nothing wrong with going it solo. It’s just unwise to try it when it’s crawling with invaders.

I’m not a super big fan of jump puzzles anyway in this game and the WvW ones are just meh with people camping them. Thankfully you don’t really need them or anything. You can get a mountain of badges much faster just by wasting people out in the field.

Are you trying to do them for badges, rummy, or for the achievements?

You might also find this table somewhat helpful, regarding your stat distribution.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Critical_hit#Table

God yes. Just for the sake of moving faster out of combat and whatnot. Movement speed in games always drags sooo slowly for me. It likely wouldn’t stack with swiftness anyway though.

Wolverine runs full zerk and has crazy regen. VALID COMBO.

I agree, akamon, block is a totally different mechanic than invulnerability. I imagine you could break through a block but still be safe.

The boon hate thing…yeah, maybe it’ll suck for a month or two. That’s how balancing goes in these games. It’ll work out eventually.

It all boiled down to that, really. Searching “L2P” on this forum yields 5831 results. Well, plus one now. It’s old, tired, and not at all constructive. Your post indicates that you have no clue how I run in WvW or what kind of skills I prefer, so you really have nothing to say.

You know, repeating the same thing about what you think I believe doesn’t make it true, no matter how much you want it to. I do play a bit of both in WvW; Ehmry gives us lots of scenarios to fight in with our varying population level. I can’t say what effect it will have on large scale WvW because I’m not into making sweeping predictions before a patch is released. We’ll, again, just have to wait and see.

Anyway, keep going off about how you’re shutting people down or whatever. You’re not even providing any valid arguments of your own, you’re just making generalized claims about individual skill and generally being rude. I’m a bit ashamed to have you in my server community if you act this way all the time.

I will say, while I don’t necessarily see all of your suggestions working or being necessary, you fire them off at such a rate that sooner or later Anet is going to have to take notice and draw something from them, even if just as a start. Good to see that you never give up for the sake of improvement of the warrior class. =)

As far as the +5 per thing, it might be a bit much if they were going to do something like that. Keep in mind that taking the whole tree is giving you 150 power, 7% or so crit chance, 150 toughness, 1500 HP, 150 healing, and 150 condition damage all at the same time. That’s like wearing, what, three ascended Triforge Pendants, minus the non-stat boosts? Pretty strong.

Amins.3710:

L2P

Whelp, there it is, after a wall of personal attacks and baseless assumptions. You have nothing left to offer in actual intelligent discourse, apparently. If you’re done flailing, kindly do not stalk my posts with your rude behavior any longer.

Amins.3710:

You still miss the point.. you still believe every Guardian is Bunker…

Are you like stalking my posts or something? I thought I made it abundantly clear that I don’t want to talk to you until you cease coming across as incredibly rude. Trying to spew crap about what you think I believe isn’t helping this case. Oh, and by the way, that assumption is wrong.

Clearly, your jaded view of reality is evident in your written words. We all know where your bais stance stands: "i’ve been beaten too many times and couldn’t figure it out, so I complained and moaned until things were “fixed”… "

Aaand there’s the unfounded “skill” attack, since you’re out of actual things to say. Warriors needed help against bunkers – that’s what I’ve been saying. If you think that’s not true, you’re free to believe so since the 30th patch is coming with or without you. Until then, scream at the sky harder I guess. I’m excited to see what the changes bring and will just cackle at people like you who flail miserably trying to attack me on grounds of skill, having never seen me play.

The game’s descriptions have always been a little questionable at best. They’ve updated multiple tooltips to better reflect what things do, so honestly I don’t put too much faith in the specific wording of things as they are now; it’s entirely possible they would’ve overlooked something like that to be fixed in a future patch.

I dunno dude. You want to be an kitten Go right ahead. I know what Endure Pain does and was trying to be nice to someone. I don’t have time for people who act like you. Get some social skills.

ProxyDamage.9826:

I can’t.

Mistform: “Morph into an invulnerable, vaporous mist for a brief time.”

Obsidian flesh: “Envelop yourself in stony armor, making yourself invulnerable.”

Fortify: “Use magnetism to envelop yourself in a shield, becoming invulnerable.”

Renewed Focus: “Focus, making yourself invulnerable and recharging your virtues.”

Endure Pain: “Take no damage from attacks.”

“One of these things is not like the other…”

Well that is assuming they’ve looked at all of those other skills. For someone to ask about Endure Pain, I’m going to assume they’ve got probably limited experience in order to not know how exactly it functions so maybe they haven’t played all of the other classes long enough to make note of those skills.

Honestly, I’m not here to argue. If you’re wanting to be one of those people online who comes across as rude and as if they don’t want to miss a chance to pass themselves off as smarter than someone else, I guess that’s your call. I’m just trying to give someone the benefit of the doubt and say that I’d be totally okay with in-depth descriptions on skills.

Ratphink.4751:

All this does is give Warriors a shot of actually being useful in the current Boon spamming Meta.

We can’t have that.

Warriors are calling out for balance against other player classes. None of us are denying that we’re great in PvE.

ProxyDamage.9826:

Does not prevent rain. Does not prevent hypothermia. Does not make you fly. Does not contain nuts…etc.

Point being, there’s no need to mention everything the skill doesn’t do. It’s just clutter. The skill mentions exactly what it does. If you assume it does other things that’s your fault.

XD

That’s funny, but reasonably I can see why people would think it functions like other forms of invulnerability. Sure you can learn by talking to others and simple trial and error, or you could just make the text more informative to account for what people would reasonably expect from an attack. Endure Pain is one that does seem to raise questions from people a lot – I can see how “take no damage from attacks” could potentially be misleading with regards to, say, conditions applied BY an attack.

If you really want to look at the ability, you’re actually taking_0 damage from attacks, not truly negating them. That 0 damage isn’t a “miss” or a “block”, so it will still apply any additional effects (bleed, cripple, knockdown, etc.), which I think is where people get a bit confused. No real need to come down on their heads about it though.

EDIT: Word filter being weird. >_>

I imagine if you were getting up to make a sandwich or something mid-fight, Killshot could be a problem. Odds are you’ll still be back in time to avoid it though.

WvW is debatable because it’s very dependent on situation.

Anyway, no, I wouldn’t agree with that. There’s something that games should strive for called balance. Having a class excellent in some modes but horrible in others isn’t balanced. I’d rather see an effort to make every class equally viable no matter what mode of play it is.

Killshot takes like nine years to go off. You’d have to be blasted from within a zerg or something.

rofl, I forgot all about the banners. Probably because it wasn’t very special. I guess it made PvE killing a fraction faster though.

Anyway, quality over quantity, please. You’re going to bring up things like Rampage? Really? Pin Down was a good buff though, I agree. Or at least it would be if our condition damage was really worth a kitten in more situations. I’ve mostly got in mind things that will help me fight other players. PvE, absolutely, we’re in an excellent spot. Otherwise…no.

Some of you need to learn some social skills. Wow.

Endure Pain, “Stance. Take no damage from attacks.”

Would there really be anything wrong with adding additional descriptive text? We can insult one another all day over how it’s to be interpreted, but to me, the more information given on any skill, the better. I like helpful descriptions.

Endure Pain, “Stance. Take no direct damage from attacks. Does not negate conditions. Does not negate control effects (Stun, Knockback, Launch, Sink, Float, Fear, Daze)”

Maybe it’s just because I grew up playing games like Magic: The Gathering. I’ve got patience to read things, haha.

stale.9785:

Another month, another buff to warriors […]

Another one, huh? I wish I could remember the last ones.

Mesmer is another animal, yeah. Although personally my biggest problem with them is that my PC for some reason seems to have trouble rendering things after stealth and when things “pop” around using teleport skills.

ThiBash.5634:

We all know why the options only include mostly ‘perfect’ bodies (both male and female). Granted, Guild Wars 2 does have a few that wander from perfection, but you still cannot create the ‘stubby innkeeper’ or ‘Prince Bokka’ types.

I like to think they wanted me to be able to make a perfect looking character, just like me.

Ah. Guess I’m just used to that stuff being so frequent like everywhere on these forums that I was just like, oh boy, here we go again, haha.

Mostly I’m happy about it because it feels like guards were being given too much forgiveness for such obvious combat mistakes against classes like warriors. This will hopefully force people to stay on their toes more!

I love how any sort of debate on these forums always boils down to “I R MOR SKILLD THAN U NUB”.

IF you spec it. What guardian can’t do that? lol

Anyway, I think you’ve completely missed the point of what I was trying to say, despite my clarifying it multiple times. If you don’t feel this game has a bunker problem, sorry, you’re out of touch with reality. Thankfully the changes acknowledge there being one and I get to laugh at the due justice of the scales being tipped the other way for awhile. Nothing more to say to you because you’re probably going to misread/misrepresent my post again anyway.

lol Okaishi. I don’t remember the last time I was ever killed by a guardian while playing WvW. In fact I frequently go several hours at a time without ever being downed. Better awareness of the battlefield, I suppose. Feel free to spam more “L2P” trash though. I’m sure you’ve seen me play. You and all of the hundreds of other people on this forum who frequently go back and forth with the same baseless personal attacks on skill and comments they think are terribly clever. /rolleyes

Gonna be good stuff.

I like taking down champions. You can do most all of them solo if you try. =)

Svarty.8019:

The point is that the Guardian stuff that is being destroyed is inherent to the class itself, whereas warriors aren’t forced to spec burst. The very concept of Guardians is being gutted so that other classes can spec certain ways – there’s no way to counter them whatsoever and that’s not right.

Welcome to the other side for awhile I guess.

Meandor Berdor.5438:

Yes, it is an Orb of Power, but remember, this orb doesn’t change your skills. He is surviving because of his skillsets and not because of this orb.

Ya. Just commenting on the crazy oldness. =)

Is that an Orb of Power I see? x)

Heh, if you’re gonna insult me by claiming “imaginary scenarios”, despite the fact that they’re easy to see within a couple of minutes of WvW, I’m not really interested. I like discussing the game with people but sometimes these forums are out of control. What I said was an example to illustrate a problem in smaller fights, which again, is what these changes will influence more, I hope. Take it or leave it.

With regards to the warrior skills, Shield Stance sometimes bugs and lets you get CC’d through it and Endure/Defy Pain only prevents direct damage, so…eh. They’re a couple of those things we’re hoping for bug fixes/tweaks on. They’re good, but could use some work I think.

Meandor Berdor.5438:

I agree that warriors need something against a bunker guardian, but I don’t get your point that guardians can dive zergs and warriors can’t. I’ve seen warriors zergdiving as good as guardians. You can’t expect to survive in the middle of a zerg as a glasscannon

Oh I jump in and out all the time as my warrior. Can’t stay in there in nearly the same way though; it’s a matter of getting out before you melt, which is gonna happen fast. Guards are way more forgiving for this. What I’m saying is that the example of that is only compounded as a problem on the smaller scale, which you seem to agree on! I don’t get why this is so hard for people to grasp. Perhaps I worded it badly. Sandra is an obvious troll, but I’m not sure what else to say to you, Aza. I guess we can just move on.

Bah, just lost my entire message. That’s annoying. I’ll just say now that if you play your guardian, you know exactly how to mitigate damage. Not to sound harsh, but don’t sit there and try to troll me by asking questions like that when you’re mostly like going to respond with the contrary, no matter what I say. “Sandra” already has that covered in this thread to an irrational extreme.

I’d like to think it’s fairly common knowledge that the game does have a ‘bunker problem’ and that the SotG stuff is meant to reflect this. I mean, I get it, you don’t want things to be stronger against guardian. But for the sake of balance they’re going to have to be and I think Anet finally agrees.

I’m not really sure how else to explain it, other than saying the same mitigation that allows them to do something like easily survive that was also way overkill against a single warrior, hence the efforts with unblockable attacks and whatnot. It was an example to show this.

It’s more like “die because you didn’t dodge instead of expecting boons to save you”. Some builds may now scare you – there is risk!

lLobo.7960:

All in all, the changes will make guards having to pay more attention on their oponents and their surroundings instead of mindlesly spamming boons all over and not giving a skritts bottoms to whats going on…
A welcome change…

Concur. This is what I’m hoping for.

Oh goody, time for more perma-stealth because of bad rendering. x_x