Guild Wars 2

While I agree with many of the points that have been raised, I would just say that they have been raised a little late in the day. Most serious WvW guilds have moved to Oceanic servers like IoJ, SoS. They did this in part due to the QQ winners all going to HoD and wanting their free win.

ArenaNet is going to have to draw the line at some stage and I would just think that time should be soon. Otherwise all the QQ winners will leave HoD and head somewhere else and we’ll be back where we started. It doesn’t really matter when ArenaNet stops free transfers from now, it’s going to inconvenience someone.

+1 The current rez system favours the zerg. Agree with OP.

I had done a post that was very similar to this during the BWE. Touching on many points you have.

TBH its not so much that I disagree with this thread but rather am just sick of the fact that we are still talking about them.

If Anet at least were able to elaborate on some of this, that would be great. Things are silent and its not a good sign.

I still think they should bring back the everyone is invisible update.

ArenaNet needs to consider them, because everyone keeps talking about them…

This exact same situation happened to me. No one had noticed that the enemy treb had brought (insert) wall to 5%. So I spammed the team chat that it was at 5%. The commander came over, the zerg with him and we pushed the invaders back. Then I got silenced for over 10 minutes…..

Divinorium.8952:

IMO.
Let Downed stats stay.
and take out the revive in WvWvW.
It’s just ridiculous, how no matter what you do.
if you lose a battle. you don’t hurt the winner at all. (they still have the same numbers.)

True. It contributes to the ‘folding’ effect once 1 server starts to dominate. People just get discouraged.

Lets hope Anet is closing down of free transfers soon.

I agree with elements of this post.

I’d like to see more than just my commander and the 4 immediate people I am teamed up with. I’d like to see my whole guild on the battle field.

That’s fine, there’s nothing wrong with it.

I had an exciting moment where we pushed from a keep in WvW. I was downed but was able to push back a few invaders before they were able to finish me and when they came in the 2nd time my allies had caught up and pushed them back.

For sPvP ArenaNet has made an artistic choice that has strategic relevance.

Personally I think for most people the issue they have with the downed state is that they historically expect that when a persons health his zero, they’re dead, job done.

The fact that it moves into a secondary phase that someone may eventually recover from and beat you is frustrating for many. The flip side is there’s nothing worse than watching team-mates run past not ressing and in the moment where your about to rally, you get finished off.

I personally don’t have a problem with it and it adds an extra dynamic to the game that you have to account for. You have to know what people’s down states are and have strategies that consider the down-state.

Teulux.6732 said:

“Good players will adapt and get used to it and build off it.

Bad players will cry about it ruining their game, and say it takes no skill."

The real issue here is a discussion around what should happen in the down state, what skills need to be buffed or nerfed. To just ask for it removed is an oversimplification of the issue.

- Ask in map chat where people are
- Join a WvW guild to coordinate

Chances are if your server was getting steamrolled then no one would actually be there. Server reset will see numbers come back again, then you can play to your hearts content.

Anders.6425:

Are you seeing this ANet? No one likes it.

No one?

You guys have posted here and have submitted tickets too I hope?

Lets hope they fix it for you soon.

Halo.8976:

Let me guess… Thief?

lol, no I’m not ^^

Alarox.4590:

SoPP.7034:

I don’t have this title so I’m ok with the star staying :<

You’re fine with having an unfair advantage over other players simply because they have 100% map completion?

Yes! Until I get 100% map completion then it becomes a huge problem for me.

It looks like they have had a regression in the coding. I can now see my team-mates again :/

When will this be fixed Anet!!??

I don’t have this title so I’m ok with the star staying :<

I had an exciting moment where we pushed from a keep in WVW when I was downed. I was able to push a couple back before they finished me and when they came in the 2nd time my allies had caught up and pushed them back.

For sPvP ArenaNet has made an artistic choice that has strategic relevance.

Personally I think for most people the issue they have with the downed state is that they historically expect that when a persons health his zero, they are dead, job done.

The fact that it moves into a secondary phase that someone may eventually recover from and beat you is frustrating for many. The flip side is there’s nothing worse than watching team-mates run past not ressing and in the moment where your about to rally, you get finished off.

I personally don’t have a problem with it and it adds an extra dynamic to the game that you have to account for. You have to know what people’s down state is, running up to a guardian and pressing the ‘F’ key is pointless, you have to strategise for this.

The questions I think that are important is how much should it be buffed/nerfed?

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I think most people don’t mind Auzzies, it’s the kitten pings that people avoid (300ms?)

Caelib.2497:

Personally, I am very surprised to see an MMO with flying/speed hacks — seems like they would have built the server-side code with better checks to prevent this kind of hacking.

Wonder what the likelihood of switching it server side would be. My impression is that at this stage it would take a lot of work, whats that tho compared to the trade off of getting rid of hacks? Only ArenaNet knows.

Clever.7918:

Just played a few mins vs a big zerg(20+) and no invis, so far so good.

Enemies are still not rendering, its only allies u can see again.

I mentioned something similar in a post before:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Kudos-to-Tarnished-Coast/first#post401144

What I didn’t mention was that in a PvP setting I was killed by a TC player who PM’d me after I was dead and asked if I was hungry. He then came over and made me BBQ pork (his 2nd profession was chef).

Fixed player side allies it seems but still rendering issues with enemies as I see it.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/news/Update-Notes-October-11-2012/first#post411067

Mesmer: When used by a coordinated guild that exploits the rendering issue in conjunction with portals. It can result in half your team being wiped before you even know something is there.

Thief: In those 1v1 situations. Again predominantly issues with rendering and the fact that a thief can remain near invisible as a result and do tons of damage in mere seconds.

Having played WvW over the course of a few weeks it’s usually obvious by the 1/2 way mark who will win. From that point it’s a slow deterioration as 1 server takes over 100% of the map.

In some respects things are no different this week except to really pay compliment to TC. Having started off the week in 3rd place they took back 2nd spot from DB once it was obvious that CD would win and DB threw in the towel.

Since then TC still hasn’t given up and while continually being pushed back TC continually picks itself up and tries again making inroads here and there.

It’s been an absolute pleasure playing with TC this week and all indicators are is that it’s a great server to be on with a really positive culture. Any other server Ive played against would have given up by now but TC has picked itself up and hit back again and again which has made this week more enthralling than most.

Thanks for this weeks match up. Look forward to meeting you guys again. Good luck with the next round.

Clairvoyance.1504:

haha of course we have a night crew! CD has lots of singapore based players:)

Malaysian’s too and a few Auzzies.

You’ve just become accustomed to human/slyvari who Im assuming are a similar height/build. Asura once accustomed too are easiest, charr is hardest.

Could could have labelled all the servers ‘international’ but with the understanding that certain servers were located in different continents.

I think this would have gone some way to dismissing the whole ‘night capping’ phenomena. As some people are just stuck with ‘but this is MY server’.

Doctor Croatoan.3967:

Taking wvw down because of hackers only punishes the people who are playing the game correctly.

I’m sure any right minded person feels the same way. At this stage tho it seems hacking is occurring on an ever increasing level.

Some1 also played ‘Marco Polo’. I <3 it when we create games within games!

or similar.

For whatever reason, I feel the need to state that this is not a troll thread and I feel that part of our role as the GW2 community is to at least broach subjects that generate discussion. While the subject matter may not necessarily come too fruition, we can at least stimulate some useful discussions.

With that in mind and having been (somewhat) educated on client side hacking:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Flyhacking/first#post388131

Do we require some client side application to manage flyhacks/speedhacks etc. which all occurs client side not server side.

It seems relevant to discuss this too as the rate of hacking seems (imo) to be increasing and at this time we are unsure exactly ArenaNet’s role in managing it.

@ Thadren Calder.1397

You posts interestingly (and sadly) are answering many of the questions I had that hadn’t been adequately addressed or where information remained strangely elusive.

Edit: Also wondering if we should be asking the GW2 community if they want/think we need some client side app….

Let me be clear, I don’t want to hack or encourage hacking.

What I do want though is areas like WvW to be cleared up from hacking. With that in mind I guess I’m just concerned that going into detail about hacking and how to counter it may be interpreted the wrong way by ArenaNet.

Can I get some direction about how I would make a post like this?

Just thought this might be relevant as people are surprised sometimes when I call out bot in map chat.

This is some of the things I have observed:

Bots are designed to do repetitious tasks over and over and (obviously) aren’t human controlled.

With that in mind you observe them attacking using the same moves, follow the the same movements and almost be ‘robot’ like in nature. Typically ranged toon, Rangers with bears have become the most popular toon to use. I’ve also seen ranged warriors too.

What I’ve noticed too is that many bots are ‘grouped’ together following the same patterns. I guess because multi-accounts/friends/guilds/organisations are sharing code once a successful bot code has been created. They are becoming more and more elaborate with some bots traversing 1/4 of the map.

If you see what you suspect is a bot, click on the toon to highlight them. Once highlighted right click on name>report>botting. That’s it., then the rest is up to ArenaNet.

Hope this helps some people eliminate the bots in the game. If people have other tell signs please post below. Let’s keep this thread current as I think it’s something everyone could find useful at some time or another.

Honestly I think its kinda obvious once you start paying attention. They tend to ignore you when you trolling them for being bots

Seriously though, bots are designed to do repetitious tasks over and over and (obviously) aren’t human controlled.

With that in mind you observe them attacking using the same moves, follow the the same movements and almost be ‘robot’ like in nature. Typically ranged toon, Rangers with bears have become the most popular toon to use. However I’ve seen ranged warriors too.

What I’ve noticed too is that many bots are ‘grouped’ together following the patterns. I guess because friends/guilds/organisations are sharing code once a successful bot code has been created. They are becoming more and more elaborate with some bots traversing 1/4 of the map.

Hope that helps some.

Same botters + xtra now O_o I count 20+. I’ve given up on reporting, there’s too many…

Buzzcrave.6197:

@SoPP

This is not new. Botters been using this to farm orich from nodes to nodes. Heck, they even use it while botting to level up.

But for someone to use it in WvW? Unacceptable. This guy need a perma ban, even better perma IP ban.

Ether way a perma ban is fine by me. It kills immersion PvE side of things too, takes your kills so u wait for respawn and inevitably will mess up the Trading Post.

In another thread someone was arguing that it all happens client side so Anet can’t catch and ban them. Only players quick enough to catch and report them will do the deed.

I’ve seen it.

Initially in bots farming Queensdale who seemed to ‘disappear then reappear’ like
there was lag, which there wasn’t as other people moved around normally.

Ive since watch a couple vids like yours. Ive only seen it recently however, is this something new?

Thadren Calder.1397:

Looks like for the first time a MMO needs punkbuster. Since the hacking is client side they will have no way of detecting it without a 3rd party app running in the background looking for client side modifications. Reporting is the only way for them to catch anyone and we all know how effective and speedy ANet is.

I’m actually interested in the points you raised.

Are you 100% sure they will have no way to trace it, that it’s report only? There are no alternatives but to install a client side app?

Do you mind elaborating (or anyone for that matter).

Mattress.3629:

Thing is we haven’t been fighting eachother, I’ve been in WvW a good majority of the days since reset and I haven’t seen a Vabbi player since EB on Sunday night, given the score it looks like Vabbi has given up, were always fighting in our own Borderland and eternal, theres just not enough of us to put up a decent fight. By Saturday morning Drakkar had capped almost everything and were so far ahead in the points that we targeted Vabbi just because there were so many more Drakkar, trying to take their towers or keeps ended up with 30 defenders on the walls or focusing one of their keeps or towers left a zerg running around capping everything, we simply don’t have the numbers to fight back.

It becomes systemic in its nature.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/The-Self-Balancing-System/first#post327649

@ Chaster

hahaha. This thread must stay!

Few servers balance properly because 2 servers typically end up bickering over 2nd spot.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/How-to-combat-folding-in-WvWvW-Constructive/first#post337466

Ive re-posted this thread a lot, just because it makes so much sense and I hope that it gets read.

Omg so many, 10+ nearly 20 or so. I started to report them but it just got overwhelming.

Some guy in all chat commented that if I wasn’t prepared to report them all I should just keep quiet about it…..

I more inclined to think that response times to botting should be quicker by Anet. Bots I saw in the morning were still botting some 8 hours latter when I came back (Plus a few new bots).

Personally it completely kills the immersion of the game.

Does this need to happen? Will it create a space for developers to fix issues?
If it does, I’m actually ok with this.

Monsoon.2589:

That s it… SHUT…IT…DOWN madagascar style

There is no point keeping wvw open when you have invisible armies and constant orb hacks. The ladder serves zero purpose when the game is not working. Shut it down and fix it.

I’m……… actually happy with this….

If they need to bring it down for a day or 2… even 3? Just to get it functioning at an adequate level. I just can’t believe we’ve had this regression.

They haven’t fixed it, according to everyone else’ post as of the 7 Oct. update its gotten worse <.<

Sounds like everyone needs to start submitting bug reports.

Ok, this has not happened to me. Is it part of the new update or is it something that has happened ‘all along’?

I hope the people on those servers are reporting it, if it is indeed the case.

While your server may now currently have an advantage, it’s only a matter of time before the same strategy is used against you.

Do you guys know you need to collect the key?

The key is separated into 2 parts which you have to collect to make the key whole before you can open the door.