Guild Wars 2

covenn.7165:

Some people spend too much time playing with math without being able to apply it properly to the situation. With that said, a few people need to think a little more about what they posted.

Im looking for other viable options besides our standard PVT bunker.
I dont expect that build to be around much longer and with it being in the front of anets watch list, i expect the build to go the way of the grenade engi’s.

This forum is going to explode when the 0/x/x/30/30 build implodes, but it doesnt have to if we can discover other viable options that people can help others learn.

We just have to start exploring..

0/30/0/20/20 is the build I use in WvW to run in the back and hit stuff.
Its ok for 2v2 + skirmishes, and 1 v 1 mesmers are they hardest for me

TheGuy.3568:

Solori.6025:

TheGuy.3568:

Long story and lots of math short. Unless you have crit damage multiplier precision falls behind power and either way you’ll need power to justify precision.

Or, you could build a hybrid ele with decent power,pre, and crit dam.
pretty high vit, and you will float at around 700 or so healing power…. . .

You would have to define decent, and if we get into real min maxing you have start putting your values in order. First off, vitality in our case would get out shined by toughness in the long run. Were not eating hits most of the time and our condition wiping is incredible so toughness makes more sense.

Then we go into how much power, how much precision, and how much crit damage. Now there are lots of things account for and what realistic, but in most cases for us 30% crit rate with a build that has near or permanent fury (since it will bump up to 50%) would be ok. Then you have to worry about crit damage. Your looking at at least 50%. So then you go into the stats and what gear combinations are feasible. Your’e probably going to be looking at a combination of Valkyrie and Knight’s with Opal and Beryl orbs.

If it were me I would go for as little healing power as I feel comfortable with probably way less than 700. Our heals heal hard no matter what even with reduced healing power you’ll likely be a ok. Unless you were super tanky you’ll barely feel it as the best scaling we get is 100% and that’s a 1 to 1 ratio. The heals hit over 1k all by them selves plus all the ambient healing would suffer very little.

Now here the kicker. I would say go to tree 2 ie air and invest there because in the long run the crit damage multiplier you get from there would be invaluable. However, because most find the second tree of our class lack luster past 10 points your pretty much left making up the gap with gear. if you are making it up with the gear you have to consider that critical damage is only ever paired with 2 things beside power those are precision and vitality. If you made up the gap with gear your toughness would be low and you would be rather squishy. Now depending on your set this may not matter.

The other thing is pairing a little bit of precision in favor of power is basically gimping yourself. If you pair it with power you may boost yourself a little but the difference would be marginal as our big hitting skills are all on long cool downs. For lets say a back stab thief or just about any other class this makes a great deal of sense as their biggest hitting skills are on short or nearly no cool down. We however do not have this luxury.

In the long run power pays off better with defensive stats. Our access to fury and an unbelievable capability to stack might makes it that when we use a hard hitting skill we hit hard 100% of the time. Leaving too much to rng in our case is not good. Another thing for the DD SD and SF conditions are applied often, If I wanted more DPS I would actually toss in more condition damage in. Since might pairs with condition damage and power simultaneously (ie it boost both at the same time) and usually we have a lot of access to it there is more sense in adding a little more condition damage than precision and crit damage.

I know its long but read if you like.

In summation its still smarter to go pure power with defensive stats for us and in most cases condition damage makes more sense to boost our dps.

Power-1564
Crit chance-37%
Crit dam-50%
Vit-1776
healing-616
tougness-1065

I favor vitality because I kamikaze in WvW ( I run to the back, earth quake the range spammers, updraft the front liners fron behind, and watch the confusion)..and the main thing that actually hits me is conditions from marks.
While our condition removal is superb, we cannot remove all conditions every second.

The healing power is something like a soft toughness stat imo. While i do take harder hits, my healing from attuning to water dodgeing and using cleansing wave heals me for 6k, 4.9k every 10 seconds, and if things get really bad I can use my actual heal skill.

The build is fun, but it isnt easy to play :I

TheGuy.3568:

Long story and lots of math short. Unless you have crit damage multiplier precision falls behind power and either way you’ll need power to justify precision.

Also note precision is a stat that pays few dividends on its own (especially with out class). So if you really want to go for a precision build for us the end of that road needs crit damage to balance out the cost.

As far as dungeons go you cant dps if your always down. PVT in most cases is the smart choice but if your’e really good go full dps and fly through runs. GC ele in PvP = dead ele 9 times out of 10.

Last note certain builds ie Altruistic healing etc can rely on precision with out multipliers. Proc builds do that just fine.

Or, you could build a hybrid ele with decent power,pre, and crit dam.
pretty high vit, and you will float at around 700 or so healing power…. . .

This score brought to you by the smexy lowbies of MORD

Man I wish I had found this thread before I used the make-over kit -_-.

So, now that my sylvari cant glow…………

What do I do ……….

Sunspots.9861:

Lavath.8924:

Btw.. I just want to see if anyone else finds this funny:

Btw.. I just want to see if anyone else finds this funny:So, you guys want to be able to switch servers and be part of the more active WvWvW servers… no prob, transfers are free.

Btw.. I just want to see if anyone else finds this funny:So, you guys want to be able to switch servers and be part of the more active WvWvW servers… no prob, transfers are free.So, you guys are complaining about bandwagoners ruining WvWvW.. cool, cool.. We’ll be locking down transfers and charge gems after that.

Btw.. I just want to see if anyone else finds this funny:So, you guys want to be able to switch servers and be part of the more active WvWvW servers… no prob, transfers are free.So, you guys are complaining about bandwagoners ruining WvWvW.. cool, cool.. We’ll be locking down transfers and charge gems after that.So you guys have all hurried to overload T1 and current winner of T2 and are complaining you can’t transfer because it’s always full.. We got that. Pop cap has been increased. By all means, transfer over.

Btw.. I just want to see if anyone else finds this funny:So, you guys want to be able to switch servers and be part of the more active WvWvW servers… no prob, transfers are free.So, you guys are complaining about bandwagoners ruining WvWvW.. cool, cool.. We’ll be locking down transfers and charge gems after that.So you guys have all hurried to overload T1 and current winner of T2 and are complaining you can’t transfer because it’s always full.. We got that. Pop cap has been increased. By all means, transfer over.You guys all comfy on your new spots? Transfers now cost gems to move anywhere else.

btw.. BOOM! Gonna rating reset happening! kitten on you bishes. Hope you like your new homes!

btw.. BOOM! Gonna rating reset happening! kitten on you bishes. Hope you like your new homes!Love
-Anet.

btw.. BOOM! Gonna rating reset happening! kitten on you bishes. Hope you like your new homes!Love
-Anet.(edit: what the F did this form do to my post? trolled by my own post. Mod, fix me please?)

I quoted this just in case the mod re-edits it haha. Someone needs to make a song to this.

Btw… BOOM! Gonna rating reset happening! kitten on you bishes!

CHALLENGE ACCEPTED >:O

Furienify.5738:

My first time ever coming down to one of these little dueling hideaways, was pretty nervous about it, but ended up having a blast.

Thanks for all the fun fights, [TDA], [Choo], [LOD] and others!

I need to get in on one of these, I have a mesmer build i needs to test >_<

So for some reason in game, my C V and H key dont register -_- who else is having this minor annoyance -_-

edit; nvm logging fixed it >_<

Usagi.4835:

Phantom.8130:

it’s ok SoR. you can take our keeps and towers. we’ll roll up to the north camp and start dunking on you. and when you kill us, because we’re playing basketball instead of fighting back, we’ll hang out in the citadel and dunk on each other.

cause that’s how we roll, apparently…

sorta…

maybe…..

Word. Just riding my broom.

I dedicate this song to the smexy broom riding ( LOL)

http://youtu.be/PGriTyFX96k

Jscull.2514:

I dont care if it didnt fix it…i care that its worse…stop trying to justify how BAD this is.

its worse for YOU..

Its better for me…maybe the problem is what your playing on?

Avenge.1478:

Well somebody is unhappy. Our TeamSpeak was hit by a massive amount of data, generally indicative of a distributed denial of service attack. However, we’re pushing right on through and keeping a hefty lead. Unfortunate that certain entities must resort to such a thing.

Get used to this almost daily in T1

and also..

take this is a time to get better at manual chat communication

Envi.2460:

SEXY SCORE UPDATE. You have nice teeth COO.

http://youtu.be/snyzX14JkHM

Now this song is stuck in my head >_<

iCryptik.1496:

If TC was spongebob and SoR was plankton.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIIbswah7Ko

That minute of my life..

You just took it..

I hope that minute gives you a nightmare >_<

..and drinks all your juice..

iCryptik.1496:

Solori.6025:

So….I want to test this theory..

I like dolyak pie…

Thats right…i ate your dolyaks…come at me bro >:O

Sunspots.9861:

Still, in order for to SoR to get out of this tier as soon as possible, they really do need to dominate the score board. Its what most of you wanted last week, well, this is it.

Why would you make a pie with dolyak?

Thats like asking why hannibal eats people <_<..
Also

Score

Less QQ more Unicorns

So….I want to test this theory..

I like dolyak pie…

Thats right…i ate your dolyaks…come at me bro >:O

Sunspots.9861:

Still, in order for to SoR to get out of this tier as soon as possible, they really do need to dominate the score board. Its what most of you wanted last week, well, this is it.

split.3659:

Chewy.9263:

split.3659:

Chewy.9263:

Bravo [FEAR], you have to glitch into Veloka in order to maintain your overwhelming victory this week as well. Here is your round of applause…

Please report all evidence of cheating to ANET. However, I know you have none for the instance you have mentioned.

Got a vid, would anyone else like me to post it?

Please do.

Sooo…thier been a vid yet?

Spazza.6024:

Seriously SoR? Camping the TC entrance on SBI borderlands.. 1 treb, 1 cata, 2 ballista, 1 golem and 40+ people….are you serious.. I thought u had more class than this.

Are you guys really at the point you have to Grief us to have fun?

I just lost all respect I had for you guys.

…
……….
So the also blocked both of the other exits too?

Sunspots.9861:

Two forum warriors enter, both leave

not if theirs a grenade <_<

Berengar.6951:

Solori.6025:

Sunspots.9861:

You two should settle this in the octagon.

Sorry for my noobishness but..

The Octagon?

(whats that :O ?)

He’s referring to Mixed Martial Arts rings, which are generally an octagon shape

…
…….

…………why not just throw a grenade?

Sunspots.9861:

You two should settle this in the octagon.

Sorry for my noobishness but..

The Octagon?

(whats that :O ?)

MikeFerguson.8921:

They will not be usable in WvW after the next patch.

LMAO and their goes the toys.

sceptus.9415:

My opinion is based on the numerous posts by you on these forums, and not just this thread, where you act like a complete idiot. That, and the screenshot you posted with the “playful banter.”

See that right there was angry post..

Calm down :I

Foghladha.2506:

Let the games begin!

This thread must start with the greatest song in the world.

Shrouded.6450:

Really depends on what type of insults, you’re referring to actually. Mind telling us what got you riled up? Havent really seen anyone in our server insulting the people whp transferred.

ykyk.2740:

We also haven’t left to join the winning server.

This.
And I responded in kind.
Someone took offense to my response.
Understandable….It was a retort with the same malicious intent.

Did either of them need to be said..
Nope..
Not at all..

But meh, it happened.

Sam.3645:

:( so sad, was stealthed in SoR Hills waiting to res our Mesmer, then lighting stroke me 4times and revealed me

…….
Divine intervention..

doesnt like you at all

arpodz.5196:

Sam.3645:

That’s an efficient strat at SoR’s Hills to save supplies >.> Auto attacking the gate with 30+ people

We decided that we didn’t want to use boulders in the catas anymore and have started throwing bodies at doors. Norns seem to be a great substitute and make a nice deep thud sound when they hit.

Its a trap

They climbin in yo windows..

Snatchin yo keep lords up..

..I havent made up the rest yet <_<…

rhyein.6172:

Out of curiosity, why is there a MORD guy on TC following our commanders around everywhere? It just seems like a really bad idea even if it’s innocent given the situation in this tier.

Thats me

Dont know if im talkin to you in game..( edit— im not..but hi..)

But I came in to have fun, cause pve has bored me to ever lasting tears ( 40+ runs of AC in 5 days -_-)

I changed my tag, so hopefully im am not hate spammed, so i can enjoy killing..and getting rolled on by a fear zerg -_-

P.S.

After 7 days..
You just NOW noticed me…..

ykyk.2740:

arpodz.5196:

Indo.8629:

So necro only zerg it is, time/date/BL?

Let’s do tomorrow 8pm pacific and TC BL since they had the great idea about necro clones.

Did I just doom my server to being overrun by an undead horde?

;_;

you did…..

and its funny cause it will be zombie v zombie

^_^

Matt Witter.6982:

There are a few different knobs we can turn in regards to AoE some of the bigger ones being:
Radius of the AoE
Frequency of the AoE Damage
Damage of the AoE
Max Targets of the AoE

Currently, some players causing the AoE are able to do more damage to one person while also controlling a portion of the field, compared to a player with single target damage.
In our balance discussions we always look at what these changes could do to PvE as well as PvP. Any changes we make will undergo a lot of testing, both internal and by our trusted alpha team. It is important to understand that we are not doing a blanket nerf to all AE’s or a dramatic adjustment of the damage AoE’s can do.

There may be some cases where players can build for AoE damage, but are just not viable or other cases where AoE is clearly the dominate way to build, and as such the other builds get left on the side lines. Its these classes/builds that we are concerned about.

Basically..

Stop Overreacting, and lets think of the AoE’s we have that will ACTUALLY need a nerf.

Like Frostbow 4?

Saweth You Him.9047:

A poison field and a field that negates healing altogether similar to the ones in orr needs to be added at the beginning of the jumping puzzle to prevent guilds from camping the start of the puzzle 24/7. It renders all the tricks and traps throughout the puzzle mute and it’s easy loot for the campers to prey on one target at a time using the overpowered mesmer pull ability. Since you can’t go back through the portal; if you get tapped by an arrow cart you are effectively dead.

You can argue that they would camp outside the field or treb the spawn from a distance and you wouldn’t be able to heal ect. The can make the edge of the field intercept projectiles into it and give players multiple routes of escape out of it. At least in this case if the fringes are being camped one can simply log before they are camped and discourage camping the start of the puzzle.

You died in a pvp zone right?

haviz.1340:

Kyon.9735:

Instead of asking for a nerf, why don’t you ask Anet to buff other weapon sets for the elementalist? Isn’t that more logical since your complaints are D/D outshines all other weapon sets? You guys say that D/D is the only viable weapon set YET you want them to nerf it so it can be as weak as other weapon sets? Then after that you’ll ask Anet to buff elementalists again? Come on guys, let’s use our brains.

D/D ele is flashy, not OP. So what if D/D eles are the best class at running away or chasing people? D/D eles trait heavily to boon duration/toughness/healing so they don’t even have a lot of damage to kill/burst someone effectively.

A D/D ele gives up his/her offensive prowess for the sake of gaining more defensive attributes. It is a fair exchange. I lose damage but I gain survivability and good support skills/CC.

D/D Eles will be OP once they have that 22k HP w/ 2800 armor and deals 15k BASIC burst as per someone who has a 30/30/30/30/30 build…

D/D ele doesn’t give up his offense. All Fotm ele players do by playing bunkers. What needs to be nerfed is their bunkering capabilities so some people might man up and trait for some damage.

What needs to happen first is that A-Net needs to make traiting for damage viable.
Our fire trait line is kinda crappy compared to water, earth and air are about the same, and arcana is just too nice to pass up in some situations.

They need to do a lot of work in the trait’s area.
Then they need to address the burst/Bunker meta..
Cause atm, 0/10/0/30/30 is whats keeping the Ele afloat, unless people want to go back to how it was in august where D/D Ele’s were free kills.

Mahanaxar.1386:

Malcastus.6240:

D/D is melee. Without mobility, people would be able to kite us easily and suddenly Anet would need to bestow eles mobility again, as it would ruin the D/D weapon set.

We can’t switch to scepter or staff in order to hit opponents at long range (Mesmers, Rangers etc. etc.) as other professions can, remember? Something for something. Way too much whining for no good reason, folks.

This. However I do kinda concede that the cooldown on RTL is a bit too low. Maybe increase it by at least 5 seconds and people will stop belly-aching over it.

People will cry regardless, also, if you compare the damage, effects,and CD across other leaps. (as well as take into account every other class can be in both melee and range)
Ele’s RTL fits in with the others..

Now if you add a blind to that RTL ( why doesnt this do that already? :I), I would be all for the extra 5 seconds

Thank you all for the fun. Was a good first night.

O and Cover says thankz you for bay ( and the LOL’s throughout the night)

O, And she wants Pink……..she is hungry and demands a sacrifice

YAY, I think I can speak for a few people and say we cant wait for a new matchup and some new competition.

Cant wait to be on the battlefield against you guys

Barab.9016:

Magiofdeath.2745:

Jedahs.2713:

And man, Agg….I think they are the only guild in history ever to single handedly cause a tier 1 server drop to tier 2. That is so amazing to contemplate it makes my mind explode.

What server? I’m curious. Or is this sarcasm?

He is referring to the class act from AGG members whispering and sending harassing messages to the popular Korean guild Warrior Nation on SBI in game. WN had enough of being trolled and attacked personally in such a matter that they decided to transfer to a lower pop server to escape this type of trash. Of course the entire SoS community sat back applauding and supporting this behavior.

Not all of SoS is like that, their are actually quite a few very kind people on that server

Cant say the same for JQ though…..They keep tryin to steal my supplies :P

Zenyoga.6910:

Follidus.8027:

Chi Malady.2015:

There really is no need for ranger, engineer, and warrior in the current metagame.

The team QT runs a warrior and wins paid tournaments.

Sataarcoeny’s team periodically runs Ranger and Engineer at the same time and wins paid tournaments.

My team runs ranger and wins paid tournaments.

We fought a super pug (a group full of top pvpers that aren’t all necessarily on the same team) was winning paid tournaments running Ranger/Ranger/Ele/Ele/Offensive Guardian. They were winning without a mesmer, and without a bunker. They beat us twice today, too.

There’s a big misconception that you cannot win if you don’t run certain things, and this is just not true. The reason certain things are considered “required” is because one top team started using it effectively, and everyone else copied them because it was easy to do that.

I imagine the other three are ele, guardian bunker and mesmer. Thats the real issue, 3 are far and above the right choice for what they do. There are 2 other slots which isn’t exactly a large body of choices.

I believe last i checked QT runs a necro as well as the warrior
and the necro is D/D…
I know..thats what i thought too..

Follidus.8027:

Chi Malady.2015:

There really is no need for ranger, engineer, and warrior in the current metagame.

The team QT runs a warrior and wins paid tournaments.

Sataarcoeny’s team periodically runs Ranger and Engineer at the same time and wins paid tournaments.

My team runs ranger and wins paid tournaments.

We fought a super pug (a group full of top pvpers that aren’t all necessarily on the same team) was winning paid tournaments running Ranger/Ranger/Ele/Ele/Offensive Guardian. They were winning without a mesmer, and without a bunker. They beat us twice today, too.

There’s a big misconception that you cannot win if you don’t run certain things, and this is just not true. The reason certain things are considered “required” is because one top team started using it effectively, and everyone else copied them because it was easy to do that.

This right here..

Is the reason Anet doesnt do kneejerk nerfs cause people cry on the forums..

While I think some things will be changed..
People who are just copying the meta and not trying to experiment with different things only see one side of the coin, and have no knowledge of anything else but whats been spoonfed to them

Smitten.3076:

Solori.6025:

..He’s actually been talking more about Tpvp..
While i dissagree that WvW is a higher form of pvp. I also dont agree that it isnt real pvp ( since it involves killing players)
Tpvp is a higher form of pvp because it brings the people who seek to change the meta together, in a controlled environment. ( meaning you dont have half a map to run and you arent fighting people with large stat differences, and/ or food buffs)
It brings coordination and team play to a higher level that Zerging people in a 12v12.

While WvW has its own problems.
Calling for a balance change in a place that isnt controlled, like tpvp and spvp, is illogical and pretty stupid..

One thing that should have been done..
Spvp and WvW should share the same balancing.
Things that are OP in Spvp, are going to be OP in WvW, but work just where they need to in PvE.
While the area for this is small, the small changes that they make for spvp should carry over to WvW.
And the devs should continue balancing around Tpvp.

And alot you QQ’ers still havent seen a S/D..
Thats what the pro’s play.

I couldn’t disagree more that calling for a balance change in WvW is illogical.

Lets put it this way.
In a game where you have the option to balance around fewer variables or constant changing variables.
Which would be better?
In WvW thier is constant change, and a higher amount of variables that come into play vs that of a controlled environment.
In WvW we have NPC’s
Culling
Gear differences
Level Differences
Space Differences
Travel speed differences
Player skill differences
and the variable of siege equipment.

While this leads to a fun pvp environment.
For balancing it could be a nightmare.

Vs balancing a game mode that has fewer variables
Player skill differences
Travel speed differences

You can reach the source of problems much faster when you dont have to take into account more things that could influence certain situations.

A better example would be the popularity of condition pistol thieves in wvw vs that of tpvp..
A thief specced for stealth has an easier time in wvw, because of culling and the other random npc’s it can jump around to stay perma stealthed, as well as a larger area to run ( and hit npc’s along the way)
Vs in Tpvp, they cant stealth as often because they dont help generate points (cap) their TTK is low, and culling doesnt as huge a factor in that game mode ( vs the invisible zergs you can have in wvw), and they dont have random npc’s for miles.

I understand you dont like spvp or tpvp, but saying a place with more variables should also be accounted in a balancing descision vs a place where their are fewer, is still and largely, illogical.

For the sake of perspective, why do you think balancing descisions should also be made with WvW in consideration, especially when so many variables cannot be controlled?

Smitten.3076:

Arheundel.6451:

Huh?..still with this WvWvW non-sense…bro I rarely play PvE, being used to paid tournaments I assume our views on balance are… quite different to say the least, have you got any idea of what does it mean to play against opponents of equal or superior skill level?
The truth is..you’re the one with head deep buried in the sand, here I am again discussing balance with people who have never even touched real PvP, dude…I played against thieves who can burst you down in 1/2s ..bunker or non bunker, played against necros who don’t know the meaning of leaving an enemy with a single boon up, played against mesmers who will daze at 100% every attempt of healing ( not like the daze nab spammers from zerg vs zerg), played against skilled non GS warrior newbsm, warriors using mace/hammer build or some other crap….there are dozen after dozen of skilled players out there, you’d know it if you’d play paid against QP 100+ opponents ( higher than me)

I can let you scrimm against pro from other professions if you wish so, who will make you cry for mommy after 5s, you can really forget your “Lol god mode WvWvW bunker build” against them.

What about it?Wanna bet that you won’t show up anymore on these forums after this test?..You really think to be in god mode when playing ele? I’d be glad to prove you wrong…

Have you got any idea of what it means to play against 2x 3x and 4x your numbers as a small man team in WvW? You assume that WvW isn’t competitive, you assume that balance issues in WvW don’t matter just as much as those in spvp. How about I repeat myself one last time, you apparently are to daft to get it the first three times, I could give a rip about Spvp. I don’t play it, it’s boring .. I consider spvp to be the weaker form of pvp in this game. That’s not the point of this thread though, so how about you cut the Spvp bravado and save it for someone who actually thinks it means anything.

It would also help if you stopped assuming so much when you reply to me, no where did I call ele’s god mode. No where did I ask for rampant nerfs. Their mobility needs to be tweaked, which can be accomplished with an increase RTL and trait tweaks. The trait tweaks are needed for the Elementalist as it is anyway. It amazes me you compare playing the Ele well to “playing mozart with your keyboard” the build is easy to play for anyone worth his salt.

..He’s actually been talking more about Tpvp..
While i dissagree that WvW is a higher form of pvp. I also dont agree that it isnt real pvp ( since it involves killing players)
Tpvp is a higher form of pvp because it brings the people who seek to change the meta together, in a controlled environment. ( meaning you dont have half a map to run and you arent fighting people with large stat differences, and/ or food buffs)
It brings coordination and team play to a higher level that Zerging people in a 12v12.

While WvW has its own problems.
Calling for a balance change in a place that isnt controlled, like tpvp and spvp, is illogical and pretty stupid..

One thing that should have been done..
Spvp and WvW should share the same balancing.
Things that are OP in Spvp, are going to be OP in WvW, but work just where they need to in PvE.
While the area for this is small, the small changes that they make for spvp should carry over to WvW.
And the devs should continue balancing around Tpvp.

And alot you QQ’ers still havent seen a S/D..
Thats what the pro’s play.

Thanos.2970:

Erebus.7568:

…and if you play vs good players, every seems to forget that EVERY good player will have CC breakers and will be able to EASILY keep that 300+ distance needed to completely shot down an D/D ele -.- it gets even easier in team setting.

Are you willing to prove that by playing another class against a good ele?

I’ll play another class…I can post again in this thread when i have free time..
We can do some duels in a spvp game

EvilSardine.9635:

Solori.6025:

Are we argueing then that a class that can (and usually is ) spec for a battle of attrition, is OP because they specced for attrition?
Can we also argue that a class that can spec for condition damage is OP because they specced for condition damage?

Here’s the thing. The class famously referred to as the class of attrition (by a dev if I’m not mistaken) is the necro. A tanky necro is supposed to be the attrition class. The problem is that right now an Ele can do it better and can escape or chase down anyone he wants. A necro can’t do that. So basically what you have is this really tough to bring down build that can do what it wants. I can die right outside a tower if it wants with no penalty at all.

There just needs to be slight tweaking done.

“when specced for Attrition”
You seemed to have missed that..

Dont know how, but you did.
Now show me that bunker specced necro..
Dun worry, I’ll still be here…….
(hint: Most people you run across for WvW are not specced for bunkering, they are specced for either conditions, or fear bombs, or some random damage spec that doesnt work)

Sorry, but if someone spec’s to survive, their going to survive.

Have you seen a bunker guard?
Or a semi-bunker mes?

Also do you know what skills have their healing seperated in pvp and pve?
Besides healing ripple?

Lastly,
Running away..
No one cares if you run away, sorry to tell you, but a thief does is better.
If you run away then you just gave ground, and failed to be beneficial to your server.

if you think running away makes you OP then more power to you.
that means quite a few classes just got OP by that definition.

Aarean.5398:

The problem is with people speccing into damage stats as well… the abilities in the spec allow for a ton of dodge and evasion and easy ways out of damage. Ive fought this build which charges and hits me for a 5th my health as a warrior. And the people killing 2v1. Sure any noob can spec def stats and live and run around but the players like me that have a brain can use this with maxed offensive stats and crush other classes

Unless your warrior is specced with not vit,and toughness, and im talking you put 0 into any of those lines and have no gear for it.

Then yes, your going to be hit hard by ANYTHING.

An ele specced for purely for tanking is not going to have the damage a glass cannon is going to have.
Rather they will have a constant stream of steady damage.
In which case your losing a battle of attrition, which an ele, when played right, is good at.

Are we argueing then that a class that can (and usually is ) spec for a battle of attrition, is OP because they specced for attrition?
Can we also argue that a class that can spec for condition damage is OP because they specced for condition damage?

EvilSardine.9635:

Ruprect.7260:

I have a D/D ele and a Shatter Mesmer. I am sorry but the ele is not OP. I have yet to meet a bunker ele that can take my mesmer down 1v1. I don’t really think any class is OP right now. You must play some really bad players on your server. If ele’s were OP I would never be able to kill one.

I think ppl don’t really understand what OP means.

Your whole build revolves around your shatter clones. An ele has a few AOE attacks that can take them out fairly easily. If the ele misses his chance to take out the clones and happens to take too much damage then just mist>teleport>RTL away, regen instantly, come back and try again. Rinse and repeat until the ele wins since the mesmer cannot outrun the ele. Ele is free to harass any player indefinitely this way.

Most of the issue is the silly mobility. Seriously, the cool down on RTL is like 15 seconds. Really?

O man you need to fight a good mesmer..

For one, the damage a shatter mesmer can put out is still pretty strong, AoE’s mean crap if the mesmer is shattering.
And for shatter builds or hybrid shatters, that will be often.

You think you can deal damage, gl
Stealths, and CC make fighting an ele for mes easy. ( especially with culling being wacky)

You think you can run away?
OF course you can.
Be my guest.
The more ground you give me is more time my forces can gather to the area and take or defend..

You underestimate the power of proffessions specifically ment to deal with situations involving 1 v 1

Cirax.9231:

fishergrip.4082:

Yes the d/d ele is currently the best roamer class for WvW in the game. It is getting annoyingly popular as well, with d/d eles coming out of the woodwork in wvw these days. D/D ele is not particularly hard to play. You pretty much just cycle attunements spam abilities and use certain utility skills as necessary. I think the main issue with D/D eles is not that their skills are overpowered so much as the fact that they get 4 attunements, each on separate CDs with 60% reduced swap time. The attune swap mechanic is the problem. When you can attune swap every few seconds you basically always have a powerful skill to use at all times and you are never that far away from gaining access to something you really need like ride the lightning. A normal class has to wait 15 seconds to swap back and forth between just 2 weap sets. Ele can swap to a new set of skills every couple seconds and return to the original set in less than 10 seconds.

Note that the reduction in attunment swap to 9 seconds requires 30 points invested in the arcana trait, which provides no major/minor stats. In addition, 3 out of the 5 skills on each attunment have a 15-45 second cooldown, so if you spam swapping attuments, you wont always have the powerful skills available to use.

In response to the OP, I’m pretty sure he’s trolling, but to clarify: anyone who feels god mode on a d/d ele likely just picked up the build as FotM and has not played the class long enough to know it’s true strengths and weaknesses. Most of these players build full defence, and believe jumping into groups of enemy players and jumping out is god mode. Good players know how to shut down spamming d/d eles, and know they are hardly a threat.

A good d/d ele has to be creative and outplay a good enemy in order to beat him (and not just taking damage then running away). Spamming cycles and predictable combos won’t work against competent players. In addition, few ppl know that d/d eles benefit from balanced specs, sacrificing a little surviability to gain much more offensive capability in burst or condition damage. That is when a d/d ele becomes a threat.

This..I agree with you 100% on this..

Why are we still talking about last week…..

JQ won, yippie

Lets concentrate on this week
Cause thats more relevant than living in the past.

Darnis.4056:

Timewarp is a bit OP ….. 10 seconds of AoE haste? Come on, what’s the counter for hasted stomps and rezes?

I honestly don’t see the other mesmer elites as viable in spvp when compared to timewarp….

I’d love it if I could timewarp for 5 seconds and have half the cooldown….

That wont solve the problem..people will still cry..

No matter what devs do to the classes people will find something that kills them and cry about it.

First month it was moa and PW thieves..then it was guardians,mesmers,thieves….and now its gaurdians,ele,mesmers,warriors, and thieves

Soon when people start learning to play and classes get more viable builds, their will be an ocean of tears for every class.

Wotah.2975:

It must of been 5 other players, as I am sure we weren’t the only ones going up there because we didn’t die several times to the treb you built.

But good training, I can see where that’s going to come in handy for you in the future.

LOL your mad bre..its ok though, we still love you all for coming to the camp and entertaining us

Just to let you guys know..
North Camp in SBI borderlands is completely unguarded now….

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Kellnor.5428:

I was hoping (and still am) that I was wrong

Honestly the thing that shifted me from “suspicious but explainable” to “WTF?!?!!?!?” was seeing SoS and SBI set up with siege in multiple supply camps and a few towers/1 keep across all the BG’s.

Hopefully it was a fluke…..

remember a couple of weeks ago when someone made the post
" We are not teaming against you guys.

Its only logical that SoS and JQ want to stomp out the weakest link and take all their points…"

Like right after we lost a few people and our coverage went down the drain :I…

I remember that..

its sucks not having the same coverage huh

Kellnor.5428:

So, Ima lay it out simple and let the mods and players gripe if they have to

Jade Quarry is getting tired of some of the blood in T1. Tonight was a turning point where several times throughout the night we found SoS and SBI setting up shop together and simply…. 2v1ing.

You can call me a JQQer all you want, but the fact remains, when you run into a supply camp and find 2 opposing servers waiting for you with arrow carts and ballista’s…..and NOT attacking each other….something is wrong. Something is even worse when situations like this become commonplace on all 4 BG’s throughout the night.

So, this being said, I desperately hope Blackgate makes it to T1 and turns it into a 3 way fight again.

What I’m wondering is…..Do any SoS or other JQ’s feel the same way? Different?
Let us know why and remember….keep it a titch classy

Pics please