Guild Wars 2

MauricioCezar.2673:

I mean the gods lore.

gods lore is gw1 lore, not gw2 lore.

I seem to have noticed some 6 temples and a whole city that, for some reason I can’t quite place, seem related to the gods, yet are found in gw2.

It’s not reliving Abaddon lore. We’ve were never there for the Fall of Abaddon, just his “demise”. Since half the pre-historic lore of gw1 has been retconned or proven wrong, this fractal gives us an actual chance to have some semblance of what really happened.

Zhavari.7190:

Just curious, how many non-Plunderers did your group kill?

A handful, when it was neccessary.

Adam Chattaway.6418:

SpeedFiend.4521:

Adam Chattaway.6418:

Like the title says, this is ridiculous. We must have tried this over 100 times now, please nerf this even if just on the last day so we can get it.

I like a challenge but this is way too over the top from the amount of mobs and their HP.

Looks pretty doable to me from where I’m dead at.

Grats at being one of the 1% that can do it, now go show ur kitten pic

Has it occured to you that just because an achievement is in-game you’re not entitled to get it automatically? Cause the definition of an achievment is something you’ve achieved.

Adam Chattaway.6418:

Like the title says, this is ridiculous. We must have tried this over 100 times now, please nerf this even if just on the last day so we can get it.

I like a challenge but this is way too over the top from the amount of mobs and their HP.

Looks pretty doable to me from where I’m dead at.

GrizzlyBearoDactyl.9460:

We just wasted 5 hours on this, trying every single tactic. Big groups, solo, duo, all full zerk, bursting, pulling CC’ing, heck, we were even on voice com for this!
Tier 4 is way to difficult to complete. Please scale it down.
Thank you.

You might need to rethink your approach, if you still can’t do it feel free to message me in-game.

Since that’s the only place in real-life Tyria a cat golem has been seen (feel free to correct me on this, I’m not too hot on asura and their exploding playthings) then that’s where it must have been copied from.

Hi. Two manned everything from 1-4 in one go last night, on the first try. It’s really not that hard. Hell, we weren’t even specced optimally, and it was still doable on the first try.

Let me break down my interpretation of his quote, since there seems to be some confusion here.

“I couldn’t save them. I heard them all. Pleading. All gone. All on my watch!”

I couldn’t save them. The other researchers.
I heard them all. Still the researchers.
Pleading. Still the researchers, whether they’re pleading him for help he can’t give them or the Skritt for mercy they won’t show is irrelevant.
All gone. Still the researchers, who perished in the breakout.
All on my watch. The series of events that caused the researchers to die happed on his watch. There is no indication what exactly happened.

I’m not saying that any part of this quote is said in regards to (the theorized) Skritt. I’m just saying that it in no way excludes this as a possibility. It’s a madman’s account of what happened, without expressly mentioning the cause and how it happened.

If it was indeed a Skritt breakout, he is presumably the one in charge of keeping them secured. It could be that he slipped up, leading to the breakout. It could be that the breakout happened, but he didn’t correctly handle the sitation. It could be that once the Skritt broke out there was no hope for the researchers in the lab, but the Raving Asura still feels responsible (the breakout wasn’t his fault, per se, it just happened on his watch).

I hope this clears things up.

I can get behind that, as long as muh Fall of Abaddon.

Skritt in a large enough group surpass even the Asura in terms of intelligence. So the Skritt somehow escape, get smart and suddenly realise they’ve been lab rats? If that doesn’t make them kill a race that has actively been trying to exterminate them even before this, I don’t know what would.

As for the line refering to the other Asura, that’s obvious. What I’m saying is that whatever caused them to die happened on his watch, and we don’t know what that was. It could have been a skritt breakout. Could be a burned slice of toast. Could have been Thaumanova exploding. All we know is that it was his responsibility to keep whatever happened from happening, and he slipped up.

Prior to the rise of the destroyers, the asura were the predominant race in the Depths of Tyria. They lorded their status over all others, and fought primarily against the skritt—creatures that the asura considered (then and now) to be hideous, dangerous vermin.

The whole That Old College Try article implies that Skritt and Asura are far from friendly.

As to that dialogue I forgot about, what if the raving asura was in charge of test subject containment, and the Skritt escaped on his watch?

Because then there would be more of them, and that’s freakin’ sweet.

We know that fractals are a recreation of real world events, and as such they don’t generate “original content”, just a repost of a repost of a… you all know how this works, so I’ll cut to the chase.

There’s a cat golem in real-world Tyria at the Proxemics lab (Tom-9). There’s also Old Tom (perhaps the golem Tom-9 replaced) in the fractal. Since we’ve never seen a cat golem anywhere else, then this must be where the cat golems in this fractal come from.

It’s been abandoned for a long time, so a single researcher who somehow got trapped there could easily go mad. I’m not sure if it’s ever mentioned why the Proxemics lab was abandoned, but we can see that the skritt have escaped and there’s no a case of the test subjects running the experiment. Perhaps when the Skritt broke out the (then possible still sane) Raving Asura recalled whatever golems he could from the lab and used them to destroy whatever mechanism linked it to the control room, rather than be overwhelmed by what is more than enough Skritt to handle 4 golems.

There are several convenient ways in which this fits, and of course, nothing definitive. Quoth the Raving Asura “Breach! Broken! Falling! Screaming! Dying!”.
This could reference the Skritt escaping, taking over the facility, making escape impossible for the (now driven insane) sole survivor as the other researchers are systematically killed by the rampaging Skritt.

This would explain why the Raving Asura is so sure we’re not real (after all, there’s no way to get to him anymore, even if someone did subdue the Skritt in an attempt to mount a rescue). That’s why we can’t be there.

Still with me? Good. So, this asura has been in isolation for an indeterminate amount of time – this could be why he’s gone mad. If my crazy speculation is within the ballpark though, the cause for his mental issue may lie in the fact that he condemned whatever researchers were still inside the lab to death when he severed the connection between it and the control room he was in to save himself.

The lab itself is devoted to researching the intelligence of other races, which could explain the Ettin/Charr/apparent god of all rabbits being present there as well.

I’d like to throw this one out there and see if anything disproving it exists that I don’t know about/haven’t thought of.

tl;dr version

1. The Skritt break out, begin killing the researchers.
2. Sole survivor uses the 4 golems we find in the fractal to get to the “control room”
3. He has them destroy the means of going back and forth between the two before the vast Skritt numbers overwhelm his paltry defenders
4. ??????
5. Fractal!

Edit: attempting to put jumbled ideas in some sort of organised order

Why would the prototype of a dragon experiment give us more info than the actual 2nd attempt at the exact same thing? Cause that’s exactly what the Infinity Coil is, and I don’t see anyone gushing about how great the lore in there is. Abaddon will feast on your eyes if you vote for Kiel, be smart and be on the right side when he is finally freed.

Kiel gets the shortsighted smartperson votes so everything seems in order here.

Caveth.3268:

Spencer.1386:

Ugh, Kormir…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxmkAoLC6_4

That video is nothing like the real kormir from gw1. It does somewhat tell the story correctly, but kormir was actually a very likable character.

Yeah, the goddess of taking credit where none is due was so likable! I really enjoyed the part where she suddenly has all these powers, but is also in grave danger from a rogue Margonite general. So yeah, why don’t 8 mortal adventurers risk life and limb wading through every evil hellspawn ever for weeks just to kill this one guy? It’s not like the fresh goddess of Bel-Air just usurped enough power to turn the the entire Realm of Torment into a purple smear on the landscape of the Underworld.

@Konig (not even gonna try to quote)
While this is an oppositiion of new lore vs old, I can’t agree that we know things so seemingly certainly in regards to the Fall. I believe you recently made the point of the importance of making judgment based not only on actions, but the motivation behind them as well. I see the Fall of Abaddon in much the same way – we know in broad strokes what happened. The exact motivations of Abaddon remain unclear, and without them we don’t have the complete picture.

Alleluia.1320:

What’s the view of the Inquest in Lion’s Arch? And, for those who actually completed the Aetherblade content, was it stated in-game that the Inquest was involved with the Aetherblades? Or was it just some asura who had Inquest ties at one point in their lives, but weren’t shown to be acting as Inquest agents while with the Aetherblades?

Stated in-game? The Inquest are clearly involved with the Aetherblades, they fight alongside them and a lot of their technology is present in their base. We see this in-game, it doesn’t need to be written on a sign somewhere. Occam’s razor says if it dresses like Inquest, quacks like Inquest and in general is identical in every discernable way to Inquest, it’s probably Inquest.

As for Kiel’s ties with the Inquest, if the same speculative thread that states Evon is Mr. E is followed, there’s a possibility she’s actually Scarlet. She seems surprisingly versed with Inquest technology during AR, she doesn’t participate in any of the actual combat and she seems very enthusiastic to leave no survivors aboard the escaping airship. Hell, she could even be the

Consider also that the candidates base their promised Fractal research on using it to further their own agenda as well. Kiel wants to help her Inquest buddies figure out what exactly went wrong at Thaumanova so that the important research conducted there may be finished. Evon wants to research the Fall of Abaddon because it may lead to a way of eventually freeing him.

Think about it, the dark god-worshipping charr and the hero who orchestrated the very crisis(es?) she prevented both vying for a means to expand their influence and resources. If there is indeed a choice to be made, it’ll both outcomes will probably be fairly similar (we’re not expecting cantha vs elona to come out of this, for example), e.g. we, the heroes, and the civilians we so valiantly fight for dun goofed and elected a bad guy into a seat of power. Sure, the details of how/why we are at that point considered boned will be different, but in general this allows other storytelling to be developed fairly independently (4 teams, after all).

Colin also mentioned that there is a grand master plan for how all the living story episodes so far (and some of those yet to come) will wrap up in a really neat bow. Can you imagine a bow more neat and all-up-wrapping than this? Kiel was the nemesis all along, Gnashblade seeks to further the fallen god’s cause. One way or the other, we’d be heading for disaster and we’ll have to undo the damage we inadvertently caused (as Tyrian heroes are wont to do), all themed to whichever choice wins.

This is all wild and (for the most part) baseless speculation, however there are just enough tidbits that make it, for the Mythbuster enthusiasts lurking in the audience, plausible. It would also make for one hell of a story, so that’s where my chips are riding.

Belief in Abaddon is a seller’s market right now. Evon Gnashblade is a shrewd businessman.

A sign showing our support for the upcoming elections with a skillbar that allows us to skillfully spin it.

Since there’s a couple things wrong here, I’m gonna adress them with no particular quoting.

Abaddon gave magic to everyone, not just humans. The Searing occured over a thousand years later. The Charr did indeed attempt to worship Destrouyers to a (predictably) bad end.

As to the particular reasons to why each candidate has their respective fractal…

Evon is presumed to be Mr. E from Dragon Bash. Marjory remarks that Mr. E sends her what she needs before she knows she needs it. Worshipping a certain deity associated with secrets would definitely help with that. If Evon’s interest was purely in the gods, I’m sure there’s better things to research than the Fall. The arrival of the gods on Tyria, for one. Faith in Abaddon is a seller’s market nowadays, and you know what that means to a shrewd businessman.

On the other hand, we have Ellen Kiel who offers cheaper waypoints. The price of waypoints is determined by the Arcane Council. The Arcane council cannot agree on anything, resulting in the Inquest representative always being the tie-breaker. Yeah, do the math.

Acidicore.3264:

SpeedFiend.4521:

Onshidesigns.1069:

Fall of Abbadon is just one dungeon.

Thaumanova Reactor could have unknown effects that affect things outside the fractal. The possibilities are endless!

Other way round. Thaumanova Reactor is just… a reactor. Fall of Abaddon is the most central piece of lore ever. Unless you think Tyria would be better off without magic, in which case it’s still interesting to know why he did what he did.

This is why he did what he did.

“One of the Gods, Abaddon, introduced the most influential creation in all of Tyria: magic. Its purpose was to make the lives of all intellectual races easier, but it soon became used as weapons and caused inter-racial wars throughout the world.

By the year 1 BE, when magic was given, Humans occupied lands throughout the world and most of the continent of Tyria. Unlike modern times with individual countries, all the Humans of Tyria were ruled by the original noble ruler of all lands, King Doric. It was he who traveled from Ascalon to Arah and pleaded before Dwayna, Balthazar, and Melandru with the hope of having the gift-turned-curse removed and the bloodshed stopped. The Gods agreed and created the bloodstones which were separated into five pieces. Four of the stones were linked to the four schools of magic – Preservation, Aggression, Destruction, and Denial – the fifth becoming the keystone required to connect them, ultimately sealed using King Doric’s own blood. The bloodstones prevent any one individual from harnessing all four schools of magic. Finally, the five stones were placed in the volcano known as Abaddon’s Mouth – the largest volcano on the Ring of Fire Island Chain.

However, the creation of the bloodstones did not go unhindered, for Abaddon, the God who gave out magic too freely, disagreed with limiting the gift and as such rebelled against the other Gods. His rebellion cost him greatly though, for while he was able to defeat two Gods at once, he was no match for all five Gods, and for his rebellion Abaddon was imprisoned within the Realm of Torment. The blow that defeated Abaddon was so powerful that it weakened the barrier between Tyria and Abaddon’s realm and caused the creation of the Desolation and Crystal Desert. Shortly after Abaddon’s imprisonment and the bloodstones’ creation, the Gods left Tyria forever, no longer walking with man, but not forgetting Tyria for they still watch over the world.

This event would become known as the Exodus of the Gods and later mark the year 0 for the commonly used Mouvelian calendar. For a time, all was good and the world was finally at peace once again. Peace, however, can always come to an end: the Humans prospered over the next hundred years until Abaddon’s Mouth erupted, scattering the five bloodstones across Tyria. Though the bloodstones have never been reunited, their magic seeped into the land and air and greed sprouted once again in the hearts of man, giving rise to new wars, this time amongst the humans themselves."

There are plenty of other events that are rather central to the plot’s lore, we still don’t know where they came from, how the previous races survived the assault from the elder dragons of the past as well as what became of the several races that just up and left, and to where.

Also odd plot hole, if the dragons consume magic, and the human gods brought magic to Tyria, did the dragons consume other means of sustenance or was magic in Tyria prior but then scrapped? Elder Dragons feed on magic, so the humans are to blame for all our problems.

Thanks guys.

None of this comes from the horse’s mouth, and the instances where the history of Tyria has turned out to be wrong are plentiful. If Abaddon did indeed gift magic as a boon to the races of Tyria, why didn’t he get on board with the idea to stop the bloodshed he inadvertently caused? Abaddon’s teachings are pretty straightforward: “Act with magic, act within reason, act without mercy”. There’s no mercy in his actions to speak of. Plenty of magic to go around. What is the reason?

Onshidesigns.1069:

Fall of Abbadon is just one dungeon.

Thaumanova Reactor could have unknown effects that affect things outside the fractal. The possibilities are endless!

Other way round. Thaumanova Reactor is just… a reactor. Fall of Abaddon is the most central piece of lore ever. Unless you think Tyria would be better off without magic, in which case it’s still interesting to know why he did what he did.

DeShadowWolf.6854:

A big problem with your argument is that Abbadon is completely unaware

Hello? God of Secrets. Technically, this means he’s aware of things others are not aware of.

LumAnth.5124:

I’ve fought enough of Margonites, Demons, Titans, undead Liches, Shiro’ken, and even an Envoy in my time playing GW1 ( and I still play it regularly to add that!).

Basically, as a GW1 veteran, I’m tired of Abaddon. Proph, Factions and Nightfall all eventually tied into this “god”. Can I have something a little different?

I know neither Kiel or Evon will bring this, but how about the mystery of the Mursaat? What ever happened to them? Do they have a city?

Arrrrghhh…. instead they focus on worn out Lore (Abaddon) or a new thing all together!!

The Mursaat were wiped out to within an inch of Lazarus the Dire’s life. On the flip side, we know that there are some cool plans for them in GW2.

Sure, we’ve fought Margonites and all their assorted allies before, but we’re not quite sure WHY. Everyone claims Abaddon is evil and so on, so forth, but we’ve never heard his side of the story.

He gifted magic to all the races of Tyria (for reasons unknown), then waged war on the five when they sealed said gift in the Bloodstone and shattered it. He alone (and now that kitten able usurper Kormir) knows just what was so bad about the place humanity left for Tyria.

You have to remember, he’s the god of secrets. Odds are, he knew about the Elder Dragons. He could have easily forseen the Gods’ “no intervention” policy leading to our collective demise at the hands of the EDs. So what does he do? He gives us freakin’ MAGIC to fight back with. Sure, even the limited magic of today was enough, but it required technology, research and a very very weak target. The, for lack of a better term, overkill magic Abaddon gifted the races of Tyria would would surely fare better against the threat of the EDs.

In closing… what if I told you we might have been playing for the wrong team this whole time?

CheeseJimmy.4796:

I’m no GW Lore buff (in fact, I never played GW1), but unless I’m misunderstanding you, I’m pretty sure Kormir wasn’t born when Abaddon was beaten. That was like, 1000+ years ago from what I understand.

You are correct! Abaddon’s current prison is rather Kormir-shaped, but whatever magic imprisoned him could be used on her. This would enable a party of eight five true Tyrian heroes to kill her dead, freeing Abaddon in much the same way his power was once usurped.

Kiel was very useless in the field, if she’s elected then she gets to be very useless in office. How bout we let Kiel do what she does best – tell players to do things which she gets credit for.

Evon Gnashblade’s fractal research may one day allow us to free Abaddon from Kormir’s grasp. The God of Secrets is a total bro, trust me, I’m sure in exchange he’ll provide us with all the knowledge and power needed to send those pesky Elder Dragons packing. Then we can all return to the important business of destroying each other with wanton overkill once the Bloodstone is reforged.

Onshidesigns.1069:

Soulstar.7812:

AnthonyOrdon.3926:

It matters, but we all pretty much know exactly what happened at the Mouth of Torment.

Nobody knows what happened at Thaumanova…yet.

Don’t care, we want the God of secrets back.

Rips in time and space from the Thaumanova Reactor. Could allow the Gods to come back from the past.

I think I have a better idea, how about we bring back the gods and maybe then they could allow us to go watch the reactor explode.

Sarie.1630:

SpeedFiend.4521:

Sarie.1630:

I’m not convinced it could do the fall of Abaddon justice.

So you’re saying you’d rather not see the fall of Abaddon ever than see it as a fractal?

In Guild Wars 1 we had the Bonus Mission Pack which allowed us to experience historical events. I would rather experience the fall of Abaddon outside a fractal environment.

Except Colin has stated we won’t get whichever one doesn’t win, or else it’s not much of a choice, the way I see it that means fractal or nothing.

Sarie.1630:

I’m not convinced it could do the fall of Abaddon justice.

So you’re saying you’d rather not see the fall of Abaddon ever than see it as a fractal?

So, if Kiel wants to research Inquest stuff because she’s buddies with them…
Evon Gnashblade is secretly a cultist of Abaddon? Just when I thought there was no way he could have my vote more. Vote Gnashblade, be on the right side when the coming darkness swallows us all.

So you’ve established precursors can come from the mystic forge? That’s great, but without the number of tries it took all that means nothing.

Bau Bau.7389:

About the eventual connection between the two episodes:
- May the events in Thaumanova have opened (intentionally or not) the path to the Realm of the Gods?
- Is there a connection with Asuras and the old Human Gods? I mean, how was possible that a God (Abaddon) would have been “killed” by mortals?
- Was Abaddon really a God or just someone or something much more powerful than Humans? Maybe a type of Dragon Champion who found a path to Tyria thanks to the disaster in Thaumanova?

The Fall of Abaddon predates the existence of the reactor by over a thousand years. It predates the Asura going to the surface of Tyria by over a thousand years. There’s no way the reactor influenced the Fall. As for a dragon champion ending up in Tyria because of the reactor… Dragons (and their champions) have also been on Tyria for thousands of years before the reactor was even built.

Mortals with a bit of divine intervention (or without, as the case may be) kill/subdue gods on more than one occasion, so there’s no need for the Asura to be involved.

marnick.4305:

I know the story already.

In the sense that someone who’s read a 3 sentence summary “knows the story” of the Sack of Babylon.

VOLKON.1290:

Harumph. Bookah.

May I remind you that the Asura view the human gods as a part of the Eternal Alchemy and scoffing at the opportunity to witness the fall of Abaddon would be contrary to their beliefs?

Azjenco.9425:

And to go a bit off topic, but isn’t Cantha supposed to be located a bit south and westward from the Battle Isles?

It’s a fanmade map, it’s there to show the relative way things line up between Tyria and Elona mostly. Cantha seems to have been added just for completion’s sake.

If I may turn your attention to this approximate map of Tyria as of 250 years ago. See that poorly-circled red area? That’s the Crystal Desert and the Desolation! The Crystal Desert is (wait for it) a desert. The Desolation is also a desert, albeit one full of sulfur and considerably more death than its Crystal cousin.

Now we get to why all of this matters. You see, that was all water. The Crystal Sea, in fact. Right up until this fall of that Abaddon guy you keep hearing about.

Forget the Searing, forget the Cataclysm of Orr, forget the raising of Orr, the rise of the Elder Dragons and anything you thought left a mark on Tyria, because the Fall of Abaddon is the single most destructive event in known Tyrian history.

So you’d rather watch an inquest experiment go bad that makes things teleport 5 feet to the left in a small area? That’s cool, it’s not like the fall of Abaddon left a permanent scar on the face of Tyria. Surely some asuran sparkler incident is going to be more spectacular than the cataclysm that turned the Crystal Sea into the Crystal Desert/Desolation.

If Evon getting elected will allow me to beat Abaddon till he cries uncle, so be it.

I believe the fall of Abaddon refers to his imprisonment, not his death, so I’d rather get that one. Whipping a god’s kitten always makes for a good story.

Stooperdale.3560:

While their reasons are unknown we can only judge them on their actions. Their actions are not only evil in effect but they are evil in design and evil in execution. They recruit and create servants that perform evil acts in their name. To use your analogy, a courtroom would convict a criminal if the evidence was present but no motive could be established.

So the dragons are evil, that must make us the good guys, right?

Let’s be judged on our actions and not our motivations! We gave Khilbron the Scepter of Orr. We protected innocents on the way to their sacrifice. Loosed the titans? Whoops. Palawa Joko? He was our ally, guess we’re super evil at this point. Let’s just forget the whole Guild Wars and the countless deaths when we ran out of other threats.

The asura, who secretly desire to dominate all races on Tyria, it’s not like a whole faction of them are trying to harness the powers of the EDs to this end. How evil could they be, really?

The Charr conducted genocide in Ascalon and worshipped the Titans, not even a hint of evil there.

I guess the Norn get a pass here, as serving Jormag isn’t a central part of their culture. The Sylvari are too new and just haven’t had time to slip up yet, I expect great evil from our salady friends.

So I ask you, if we’re the good guys, just how bad does that make the EDs?

But they’re only evil from our point of view. Have you ever killed a bug? Does that make you evil? A genocidal maniac perhaps? A force of nature and evil all rolled into one fly-swatting machine.

The Elder Dragons are not inherently good or evil. Someone paving over a bunch of anthills to build a parking lot isn’t evil, nor is the parking lot he killed all those ants for good. The way I see it the dragons are sentient forces of nature and their endgame is to reshape the world in their image. Not surprisingly, for the sentient races of Tyria this kind of blows.

Let me elaborate on what I mean when I say that the EDs want to reshape the world in their image: As Konig has already pointed out, each ED we have (at least somewhat) definitive information on has shown to have a certain way of going about things. Based on their actions, we can speculate on what each dragon’s endgame is.

Primordus has a knack for destruction and doesn’t need anything beyond rocks (which Tyria has plenty of) to raise his armies of, wait for it, destroyers! Since he does not require any living beings for his plan, it’s a safe bet they’re part of the to-destroy list, ideally culminating in Primordus perched atop a throne of live destroyers amidst the lifeless, volcano-strewn landscape.

Jormag offers power to those who want it, but is also capable of corrupting living beings who are already dead (cue that norn with the smashed-in head). The fact he’s willing to even bother with those pesky worshippers of his, or even further, offer them incentive to worship him, shows that his vision of (a very frosty) Tyria includes only those who worship him. We can surmise that Jormag wants a world where he is universally worshipped as the epitome of strength, all other qualities and virtues be kitten ed. Anyone not getting with the program could expect to either be killed, forcibly corrupted or (personal favourite) killed, corrupted and raised into his service. Seems everyone is included, one way or the other.

Zhaitan is rather tricky to figure out. His minions blather on and on about joining the dragon and avoiding death/the afterlife. Seems he has a really big gripe with the human gods (their corrupted priests claim he eats gods). Perhaps a hint of jealousy in there? His plan could very well have been to kill/raise everything in Tyria and lord over it as a god himself, the sole source of life (endless, until he sees fit otherwise)/death and anything in between

Kralkatorrik’s motivations are unclear, as we know comparatively little about him and it’s difficult to gleam any long-term goal from his actions immediately after waking. He wanted revenge for Glint’s betrayal and needed to raise some minions to do that, that more or less accounts for the dragonbrand. We don’t know where he’s gone afterward or for what purpose. Snaff’s quick journey into the dragon’s mind doesn’t offer much insight without any comparable trek through another ED’s mind. What Snaff sees is hunger, and a lot of it, but aren’t all dragons meant to be like that? It could be that he needs a dragon-sized magical bagel, or it could be the main force that drives him.

In any case, there is nothing inherently evil in what the EDs want/do. From the player’s point of view, sure, they’re evil because they aim to kill us. For the EDs we’re just varying degrees of “in the way”. They don’t stomp our relatives and break our toys because it’s funny, they just don’t give two kittens about us, in much the same way you don’t carefully avoid stepping on any ants every minute of your life.

Zhaitan has successfully “stolen” Grenth’s own priest, I’m pretty sure if he can raise things the god of death doesn’t want raised then he’s probably got a good hold on his own minions and anything else that’s dead where he has influence.

Seems the Zephyrites are the only ones who know how to harness this power, and they have no intention to use it against the elder dragons as they don’t see them as evil. Since we haven’t recovered (or even looked for) Zhaitan’s remains, it’s anyone’s guess what happened to them.

Seeing as we can only speculate at this point, my money is on the Inquest. They’ve conducted the most research on elder dragons, I’m sure they’d be quite interested in getting a chunk of one to play around with. Hopefully Zhaitan’s part in the history of Tyria is not quite done yet.

SirDrygan.1823:

Really? Because what really happened was 3 players manned 3 cannons/turrets and shot it to death!

effort just getting to it really. When we encounter him finally, it just held on to the mountain side and doesn’t do much…….

Even though the post you quoted already said this, I’ll mention it again: Lore =/= Gameplay. Abaddon is no match for his own general in terms of combat prowess, but this means squat for lore or the reality that one of them is a god and the other is an overgrown Margonite gorilla who serves him.

Zhaitan is easy to kill in game because he’s the end boss of the personal story. The fight itself has to be fairly easy so that everyone who plays the game can complete it. From then on if you want to smash your head against hard content you’re welcome to do so, but putting something as integral to the game as the conclusion of the personal story (so far) behind a high player skill requirement seems like a rather large game design no-no. Complex/difficult optional content that you can’t beat for weeks (here’s lookin at you, DoA on release) is great, not being able to finish your character’s personal story – not so much.

tl;dr gameplay and lore are two different things.

While Anise and Sieran can do some impressive things they don’t really come close to the force of insanity and destruction that is Kilroy Stonekin.

When foreigners think of Dwarves, most picture a stereotypical image of a drunken brawler, rushing headlong into battle, screaming a strange battle cry and fighting to the death over age-old grudges, uncollected debts, or ancestral vendettas. Kilroy Stonekin is that Dwarf.

My golem, the powerstones, they do nothing! The only thing preventing Snaff from being branded is the fact he was inside the golem. The purpose of the powerstones is explicitly stated, any other properties they have are speculation with no factual basis.

If the powerstones did indeed have protective qualities, why not stuff Logan/Rytlock’s armor with them? Eir survived simply by getting out of the way/ducking behind some cover. That’s no substitute for being inside an armored golem completely sealed off from the outside, yet it was still enough. There’s simply no reason to believe the powerstones have any properties other than those explicitly mentioned.

Despite being seen as the most conservative of the races, humans are willing to use new technologies and attempt to adapt and compete with the other races. Humans are tinkerers and craftsmen, a few inventors such as Uzolan help to expand the human’s technical knowledge.