Guild Wars 2

Photoloss.4817:

Mesmer always had tons of instant-cast skills and long cooldowns. Are you sure it’s not just the global power creep allowing one such “lucky” hit to end the battle before the opponent gets theirs?

Also, don’t argue any kind of balance based on duels, even in a mirror match of the supposed “duelist” class.

And against opponents of equal “effective skill” (not directly correlated to total playtime btw!) luck should be the only deciding factor in a fair fight.

IMO, you need a lot of playtime in order to have a deep understanding of the class, and incorporate it in your OWN playstyle. Not Just watching a video and imitating it.

Fay.2357:

Situations.2416:

Some are players who only visit the forums and theorycraft all day and duel and roam WvW and occasionally play PvP at a low-mid tier level and are considered advice-givers so their opinion is considered heavily (Fay) but in truth they’ve never been at a top tier level of PvP gameplay or on a top tier team ever like other mesmers who also coincidentally never visit the forums

Aside from being fairly inaccurate in your assessment, it amuses me that you make this argument and then expect people to ignore that advice when it comes to the proclamations you’ve been making yourself. Last time I checked, you’re as unremarkable a player as the rest of us forum heroes, so why should anyone listen to what you, some random person entering the forum to give a biased perception of Mesmer, has to say over what veteran and consistently accurate members of the community have to say?

Situations.2416:

Who do you balance for in this game? do you balance for the noob / average gamer or do you balance for the top tier player?

The proper answer to this question is you balance for the average gamer, otherwise you lose the average gamer, and subsequently your game.

Some games, the balance for the average gamer fits the balance for esports (see LoL). Some games it could, or maybe might with a lot of work, but currently doesn’t (see GW2). The Anet balancing team cant decide which they want to do, and so we end up with a schizophrenic mix of balance decisions intended to try and foster esports alongside balance decisions designed to make the game easier and more approachable for average players.

Just Curious, how can you say that he is an unremarkable player too like the rest of us?

Manekk.6981:

How can you say it only benefits offensive traps? the CD on healing spring is reduced and the regeneration increased it absolutely benefits from the trait whether it’s good enough is another question and yes it would be nice if the bloody thing started healing our pets again it’s amazing how long negative bugs cling on while the slightest beneficial bug always seems to be handled instantly…

It does,

CD = Both defensive and Offensive

Boon Duration/ Condi Duration = Both defensive and offensive

Cripple = Only Offensive.

I was hoping HS was getting more because it is the only defensive trap.

Tealots.6095:

StickerHappy.8052:

I beaten rylock one time.

Pics or it didn’t happen.

Warlord of Chaos.7845:

StickerHappy.8052:

That was some exhilarating fights!

Yea great fights! For people that didn’t weren’t watching, sticker ran a condi ci build which was more dangerous then I thought, but still I won every fight except one plus I also took stickerhappy hostage :o. Chaos, your henchman will never take me alive (wow this rp, am I pver now)!

:)!

Combine EB and IB on nature magic.

I beaten rylock one time.

StickerHappy.8052:

Velimere.7685:

StickerHappy.8052:

Velimere.7685:

Ithilwen.1529:

If it took 5 minutes to kill an outnumbered Ele, her or his attackers were doing it wrong. I can 1v1 an Ele in a normal timespan. If I play well I win, if not, I lose.

That’s kinda how it’s ’sposed to work.

Quoted for truth.

Didn’t you know MMR is a factor for everything, you might be facing bad players.

#realtalk.

I’ve never even seen you before.

Excuse me i looked you up on gw2score, pre and current LBs, i could not see you.

I have never seen you before.

Hello? Are you there?

Velimere.7685:

StickerHappy.8052:

Velimere.7685:

Ithilwen.1529:

If it took 5 minutes to kill an outnumbered Ele, her or his attackers were doing it wrong. I can 1v1 an Ele in a normal timespan. If I play well I win, if not, I lose.

That’s kinda how it’s ’sposed to work.

Quoted for truth.

Didn’t you know MMR is a factor for everything, you might be facing bad players.

#realtalk.

I’ve never even seen you before.

Excuse me i looked you up on gw2score, pre and current LBs, i could not see you.

I have never seen you before.

Velimere.7685:

Ithilwen.1529:

If it took 5 minutes to kill an outnumbered Ele, her or his attackers were doing it wrong. I can 1v1 an Ele in a normal timespan. If I play well I win, if not, I lose.

That’s kinda how it’s ’sposed to work.

Quoted for truth.

Didn’t you know MMR is a factor for everything, you might be facing bad players.

#realtalk.

Exciton.8942:

StickerHappy.8052:

Exciton.8942:

StickerHappy.8052:

Exciton.8942:

StickerHappy.8052:

Exciton.8942:

StickerHappy.8052:

Solori.6025:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Solori.6025:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Careful with the gross generalizations. A profession has many builds. Beside, what is wrong with wanting all builds to inherently balance out on risk/reward?

P.S. Shatter mesmer was never,ever, an nonviable build in many competitive settings (duel, pvp or wvw).

Sorry, but history of tournaments pre-patch, and the fact that mesmer was basically cannon fodder for thieves.
Kinda proves that statement false.

Edit. Nvm
Fay covered it.

Let’s say you are both right, you and Fay, that still doesn’t answer what is wrong with wanting balance on the risk/reward scale.

No, there is nothing wrong with wanting balance.

I think Fay and others have been advocating for a few things that are to strong or broken trait wise to be fixed and brought in line.

On the other hand.
Their is a big difference in wanting the mesmer to be reverted to its pre-patch performance. I think ( and many others…or possibly every mesmer who plays competitevely) that is wrong, and will only lead to misinformation and unneccessary nerfs that do nothing but destroy the diversity of builds a class has.

This has been going on for as long as the game has been out, for everyone, I would like to see this patch start a new direction where we concentrate on fixing small things, instead of kneejerking a class out of the meta for 2 years

What was wrong pre patch?

If I remember correctly one problem was the thief hard counter (90% of the problem)
And the build diversity issue (10% of the problem)

Mesmers were still strong pre patch.

Mesmers were still meta pre patch, just overshadowed by the celestial people and the thief problem.

Few teams still ran mesmer pre patch, so i dont know where you get “out of the meta”

That’s not true. Before patch, mesmer’s problem is way bigger than a thief counter.

The only good thing from a mesmer is portal before patch. In ESL, you see elite players like helseth and misha spent half of their time in downstate while needing teammates to babysit them. Sadly, you don’t have teammate to babysit you in ranked/unranked.

Yeah, you can hold your own if you pick mantra of resolve instead of portal. But then every team will ditch you and pick a medi guard instead. Even a LB ranger/fresh air ele will be better than you at that point. Because mesmer had only average out-of-combat mobility which is crucial for a roamer role. Our mobility is worse than thief, worse than engi, worse than ele, worse than shoutbow. And sadly that is the only role mesmer can choose to take.

Then in terms of fight, you heavily rely on a thief or engi teammate to CC your opponent. But again why not take a guardian instead, their burst is even higher against a CC’ed opponent. Most of our bursts are way too predictable. Sure you can be good at kiting and baiting out dodges. But that takes a long time. Duration all this time, the point is given up and more likely than not, their more mobile teammate will come and help. If it happened to be a thief, you are as good as dead.

I stopped reading when I saw LB ranger/ Fresh air ele.

But that’s exactly how pathetic mesmer is before patch. Fresh air and LB ranger at least have some decent condie cleanse. Mesmer, one pin down, you are basically dead meat.

So why aren’t LB rangers and Fresh Air Eles replacing mesmers then?

I already said, it is portal. W/O portal, mesmer would be in the exact same tier as LB ranger and fresh air ele. However, portal requires a lot of team coordination. So in unranked/ranked, we are actually even worse than a LB ranger and a fresh air ele.

Are you kidding me? Mesmers worse than LB ranger? Cmonnnnn! this is the most LOL post I have read all day.

Rangers are the lowest tier class, comparing mesmer to ranger, what an honor.

Where are you getting these statements? PvP experience?

Not worse but exact same tier w/o portal before patch.
Basically playable but lacking. not worth taking by a serious competitive team.
In unranked/ranked, LB ranger is just worth as much as a shatter mesmer. TBH, I would rather see two LB rangers on my team than 2 shatter mesmers.

I would leave that to other mesmers to answer this….

Same tier? What? Rangers do not have BOON RIP do not have PORTS What are you even talking about?

Exciton.8942:

StickerHappy.8052:

Exciton.8942:

StickerHappy.8052:

Exciton.8942:

StickerHappy.8052:

Solori.6025:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Solori.6025:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Careful with the gross generalizations. A profession has many builds. Beside, what is wrong with wanting all builds to inherently balance out on risk/reward?

P.S. Shatter mesmer was never,ever, an nonviable build in many competitive settings (duel, pvp or wvw).

Sorry, but history of tournaments pre-patch, and the fact that mesmer was basically cannon fodder for thieves.
Kinda proves that statement false.

Edit. Nvm
Fay covered it.

Let’s say you are both right, you and Fay, that still doesn’t answer what is wrong with wanting balance on the risk/reward scale.

No, there is nothing wrong with wanting balance.

I think Fay and others have been advocating for a few things that are to strong or broken trait wise to be fixed and brought in line.

On the other hand.
Their is a big difference in wanting the mesmer to be reverted to its pre-patch performance. I think ( and many others…or possibly every mesmer who plays competitevely) that is wrong, and will only lead to misinformation and unneccessary nerfs that do nothing but destroy the diversity of builds a class has.

This has been going on for as long as the game has been out, for everyone, I would like to see this patch start a new direction where we concentrate on fixing small things, instead of kneejerking a class out of the meta for 2 years

What was wrong pre patch?

If I remember correctly one problem was the thief hard counter (90% of the problem)
And the build diversity issue (10% of the problem)

Mesmers were still strong pre patch.

Mesmers were still meta pre patch, just overshadowed by the celestial people and the thief problem.

Few teams still ran mesmer pre patch, so i dont know where you get “out of the meta”

That’s not true. Before patch, mesmer’s problem is way bigger than a thief counter.

The only good thing from a mesmer is portal before patch. In ESL, you see elite players like helseth and misha spent half of their time in downstate while needing teammates to babysit them. Sadly, you don’t have teammate to babysit you in ranked/unranked.

Yeah, you can hold your own if you pick mantra of resolve instead of portal. But then every team will ditch you and pick a medi guard instead. Even a LB ranger/fresh air ele will be better than you at that point. Because mesmer had only average out-of-combat mobility which is crucial for a roamer role. Our mobility is worse than thief, worse than engi, worse than ele, worse than shoutbow. And sadly that is the only role mesmer can choose to take.

Then in terms of fight, you heavily rely on a thief or engi teammate to CC your opponent. But again why not take a guardian instead, their burst is even higher against a CC’ed opponent. Most of our bursts are way too predictable. Sure you can be good at kiting and baiting out dodges. But that takes a long time. Duration all this time, the point is given up and more likely than not, their more mobile teammate will come and help. If it happened to be a thief, you are as good as dead.

I stopped reading when I saw LB ranger/ Fresh air ele.

But that’s exactly how pathetic mesmer is before patch. Fresh air and LB ranger at least have some decent condie cleanse. Mesmer, one pin down, you are basically dead meat.

So why aren’t LB rangers and Fresh Air Eles replacing mesmers then?

I already said, it is portal. W/O portal, mesmer would be in the exact same tier as LB ranger and fresh air ele. However, portal requires a lot of team coordination. So in unranked/ranked, we are actually even worse than a LB ranger and a fresh air ele.

Are you kidding me? Mesmers worse than LB ranger? Cmonnnnn! this is the most LOL post I have read all day.

Rangers are the lowest tier class, comparing mesmer to ranger, what an honor.

Where are you getting these statements? PvP experience?

Zenos Osgorma.2936:

Cripple + frost is the same as post patch it slows a target to a crawl perfect for Bonfire or combo a maul into, the two condis force Leap or movement skills .

slow is more of a prevention to quickness to slow attacks rather than movement.

I mean replace cripple with the new slow condition, now even leap skills will be useless.

Exciton.8942:

StickerHappy.8052:

Exciton.8942:

StickerHappy.8052:

Solori.6025:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Solori.6025:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Careful with the gross generalizations. A profession has many builds. Beside, what is wrong with wanting all builds to inherently balance out on risk/reward?

P.S. Shatter mesmer was never,ever, an nonviable build in many competitive settings (duel, pvp or wvw).

Sorry, but history of tournaments pre-patch, and the fact that mesmer was basically cannon fodder for thieves.
Kinda proves that statement false.

Edit. Nvm
Fay covered it.

Let’s say you are both right, you and Fay, that still doesn’t answer what is wrong with wanting balance on the risk/reward scale.

No, there is nothing wrong with wanting balance.

I think Fay and others have been advocating for a few things that are to strong or broken trait wise to be fixed and brought in line.

On the other hand.
Their is a big difference in wanting the mesmer to be reverted to its pre-patch performance. I think ( and many others…or possibly every mesmer who plays competitevely) that is wrong, and will only lead to misinformation and unneccessary nerfs that do nothing but destroy the diversity of builds a class has.

This has been going on for as long as the game has been out, for everyone, I would like to see this patch start a new direction where we concentrate on fixing small things, instead of kneejerking a class out of the meta for 2 years

What was wrong pre patch?

If I remember correctly one problem was the thief hard counter (90% of the problem)
And the build diversity issue (10% of the problem)

Mesmers were still strong pre patch.

Mesmers were still meta pre patch, just overshadowed by the celestial people and the thief problem.

Few teams still ran mesmer pre patch, so i dont know where you get “out of the meta”

That’s not true. Before patch, mesmer’s problem is way bigger than a thief counter.

The only good thing from a mesmer is portal before patch. In ESL, you see elite players like helseth and misha spent half of their time in downstate while needing teammates to babysit them. Sadly, you don’t have teammate to babysit you in ranked/unranked.

Yeah, you can hold your own if you pick mantra of resolve instead of portal. But then every team will ditch you and pick a medi guard instead. Even a LB ranger/fresh air ele will be better than you at that point. Because mesmer had only average out-of-combat mobility which is crucial for a roamer role. Our mobility is worse than thief, worse than engi, worse than ele, worse than shoutbow. And sadly that is the only role mesmer can choose to take.

Then in terms of fight, you heavily rely on a thief or engi teammate to CC your opponent. But again why not take a guardian instead, their burst is even higher against a CC’ed opponent. Most of our bursts are way too predictable. Sure you can be good at kiting and baiting out dodges. But that takes a long time. Duration all this time, the point is given up and more likely than not, their more mobile teammate will come and help. If it happened to be a thief, you are as good as dead.

I stopped reading when I saw LB ranger/ Fresh air ele.

But that’s exactly how pathetic mesmer is before patch. Fresh air and LB ranger at least have some decent condie cleanse. Mesmer, one pin down, you are basically dead meat.

So why aren’t LB rangers and Fresh Air Eles replacing mesmers then?

moonstarmac.4603:

I run a LB – S/D – Shout/Survival ranger. I keep seeing threads popping up about people having trouble with their ranger and can only wonder, what exactly are they doing to have this trouble.

My pet can tank a champ like a boss, I can sit back and range it down. But then, I have always enjoyed being a LB sniper, so guess it all goes with personal play style.

You know what is the key difference here?

No offense but its the MMR. You might facing baddies.

This is the same for all players saying that rangers are OP or decent in top tier.

Exciton.8942:

StickerHappy.8052:

Solori.6025:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Solori.6025:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Careful with the gross generalizations. A profession has many builds. Beside, what is wrong with wanting all builds to inherently balance out on risk/reward?

P.S. Shatter mesmer was never,ever, an nonviable build in many competitive settings (duel, pvp or wvw).

Sorry, but history of tournaments pre-patch, and the fact that mesmer was basically cannon fodder for thieves.
Kinda proves that statement false.

Edit. Nvm
Fay covered it.

Let’s say you are both right, you and Fay, that still doesn’t answer what is wrong with wanting balance on the risk/reward scale.

No, there is nothing wrong with wanting balance.

I think Fay and others have been advocating for a few things that are to strong or broken trait wise to be fixed and brought in line.

On the other hand.
Their is a big difference in wanting the mesmer to be reverted to its pre-patch performance. I think ( and many others…or possibly every mesmer who plays competitevely) that is wrong, and will only lead to misinformation and unneccessary nerfs that do nothing but destroy the diversity of builds a class has.

This has been going on for as long as the game has been out, for everyone, I would like to see this patch start a new direction where we concentrate on fixing small things, instead of kneejerking a class out of the meta for 2 years

What was wrong pre patch?

If I remember correctly one problem was the thief hard counter (90% of the problem)
And the build diversity issue (10% of the problem)

Mesmers were still strong pre patch.

Mesmers were still meta pre patch, just overshadowed by the celestial people and the thief problem.

Few teams still ran mesmer pre patch, so i dont know where you get “out of the meta”

That’s not true. Before patch, mesmer’s problem is way bigger than a thief counter.

The only good thing from a mesmer is portal before patch. In ESL, you see elite players like helseth and misha spent half of their time in downstate while needing teammates to babysit them. Sadly, you don’t have teammate to babysit you in ranked/unranked.

Yeah, you can hold your own if you pick mantra of resolve instead of portal. But then every team will ditch you and pick a medi guard instead. Even a LB ranger/fresh air ele will be better than you at that point. Because mesmer had only average out-of-combat mobility which is crucial for a roamer role. Our mobility is worse than thief, worse than engi, worse than ele, worse than shoutbow. And sadly that is the only role mesmer can choose to take.

Then in terms of fight, you heavily rely on a thief or engi teammate to CC your opponent. But again why not take a guardian instead, their burst is even higher against a CC’ed opponent. Most of our bursts are way too predictable. Sure you can be good at kiting and baiting out dodges. But that takes a long time. Duration all this time, the point is given up and more likely than not, their more mobile teammate will come and help. If it happened to be a thief, you are as good as dead.

I stopped reading when I saw LB ranger/ Fresh air ele.

I find it weird that it only benefits Offensive Traps

• Healing Spring

Defensive Traps now provide 1 second of Resistance (Numbers can still be tweaked) each pulse. Why resistance? Healing Spring will not keep up with constant Condition Reapplication which if this happens, Healing Spring is not that efficient.

• Another thing I saw was the Cripple part.

Frost trap with Cripple does not serve any purpose aside from a Cover Condition. Maybe put another condition here like slow would be better?

Solori.6025:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Solori.6025:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Careful with the gross generalizations. A profession has many builds. Beside, what is wrong with wanting all builds to inherently balance out on risk/reward?

P.S. Shatter mesmer was never,ever, an nonviable build in many competitive settings (duel, pvp or wvw).

Sorry, but history of tournaments pre-patch, and the fact that mesmer was basically cannon fodder for thieves.
Kinda proves that statement false.

Edit. Nvm
Fay covered it.

Let’s say you are both right, you and Fay, that still doesn’t answer what is wrong with wanting balance on the risk/reward scale.

No, there is nothing wrong with wanting balance.

I think Fay and others have been advocating for a few things that are to strong or broken trait wise to be fixed and brought in line.

On the other hand.
Their is a big difference in wanting the mesmer to be reverted to its pre-patch performance. I think ( and many others…or possibly every mesmer who plays competitevely) that is wrong, and will only lead to misinformation and unneccessary nerfs that do nothing but destroy the diversity of builds a class has.

This has been going on for as long as the game has been out, for everyone, I would like to see this patch start a new direction where we concentrate on fixing small things, instead of kneejerking a class out of the meta for 2 years

What was wrong pre patch?

If I remember correctly one problem was the thief hard counter (90% of the problem)
And the build diversity issue (10% of the problem)

Mesmers were still strong pre patch.

Mesmers were still meta pre patch, just overshadowed by the celestial people and the thief problem.

Few teams still ran mesmer pre patch, so i dont know where you get “out of the meta”

Situations.2416:

Is there something wrong with somebody who’s played mesmer before to come into the mesmer forums to discuss the mesmer class?

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You are confused about the metas, when Skovex / Vain / Sataarcoeny were dominating at the beginning of the game, shatter mesmer were godlike. This was when Supcutie started learning to play.

Warrior was virtually non-existen except Apt’s longbow / gs build which wasn’t that great at all.

d/d and s/f elementalists shined in this meta, trap rangers shined in this meta.

shortly after, warrior was given a huge rehaul and became very good. and slowly got nerfed over time and then kind of settled into metas as they shifted. This is where you also saw BM rangers start to shine as bunker node holders , although that quickly got nerfed as birds were doing about 8k-9k dmg on f2’s consistently with an incredible amount of bunker, so it was nerfed and no longer viable.

This went on and slowly evolved into the condition meta where Spirit rangers became popular due to Deku God / Vyndetta / Tany / Ovi (who previously played Trapper ranger in the paradigm days). This is where elementalists and shatter mesmers were no longer viable due to the condition amount. It was heavily dominant by Thieves / Guardian / Necro / Spirit rangers.

This moment in the meta created the condition meta , the aids meta aka Dhuumfire necro / condi engi / spirit ranger and even condi warrior bunker variants. Warrior was decent in this time sort of because of CI , and it’s ability to tank out conditions but still was overshadowed.

Then came a few spirit ranger nerfs and dhuumfire nerfs. This was around the time Denial Esports vs SYNC days the time of the hammer warrior , spirit ranger , thief , guardian , necro days.

Within this period warriors were king, shatter mesmers starting coming back due to a lessening of condition builds (spirit ranger was no longer viable because of the CC on elite, necro dhuumfire got moved to an ICD and only in DS, etc).

Shortly after this meta came celestial and a overhaul period where you saw conditions become useless due to elementalist buffs , reworking of amulets and the reworking of celestial over the board , not just PvP. This introduced the celestial meta: Shoutbow, celestial engi , celestial ele , etc etc. Shatter mesmers came back in most teams because of the ability to quickly destroy these builds. That is the only reason they were brought, and of course portal. Now, thief counters mesmers so that was your main enemy as a mesmer.

The meta has adjusted and now it still is somewhat of a celestial meta for eles and now for necros (Noscoc), but you notice it being a much burstier meta now with mesmers on top , thief still doing decent dmg but their usefulness, warrior burst and rampage, guardian bunker got better and engi is a bit worse except they run marauder in top tier now no longer running celestial rifle.

Mesmer was out of the meta , out of all these years during a period of 8months max until they started returning as the decline in the condition meta started dissipating into the dmg / celestial meta. UNFORTUNATELY, at the very same time Sizer’s build became popular and d/p was strong and thieves were kings in dmg so upon their return, their natural counter was buffed to extreme. But that didn’t put them out of the meta at all. Mesmer has been around in the metas around the condition meta in top teams much more than it has been out of the meta.

Anyway, this is for people who don’t follow top tier PvP and think they’ve been screwed over in competitive pvp for 2+ years because it’s completely, and utterly false.

Good Stuff, I remember all of these.. You are forgetting Vassangel was also on the warriors list. You are also foregtting Kyra the OP/imba mesmer haha.

I think Sizer only made the build popular. If I remember correctly It was originally Kronos’ build then Jumper started using it and claiming it as his own.

Although Deku was very strong with the spirit ranger meta before but let’s not forget how Caed “tactically” ripped Deku apart with his thief.

But hey these are facts, good ole days. Good luck explaining these to the mesmers here in the forum now.

I have been telling this on my other thread about the perception of meta and top tier, and people are calling me the one who is misinformed.

Vamp rune is not even the issue. I have the same experience with other runes although the pet dying does not happen consistently

Morwath.9817:

blitzkrieg.2451:

Daishi.6027:

A:
Ele
Mes
Guard
Thief

B:
Warrior
Engie
Ranger

C:
Necro.

This being said I feel the gap between tiers are a lot closer than the segregation between tiers of previous metas. Everything regardless of spec has at least somewhat of a chance, and no major builds are 100% pushed out by either the nature of the meta or a hard counter..

So maybe A-, B, and C+?

Necro under ranger? Top team in NA carries a necro and necros with cele signets absolutely much more useful (even power necro is lol) in teams than a ranger ever will be.

Please, ranger is definitely at the bottom of the tier list right now , no matter what list you make.

Abjured has Nos and he -only- play Necro, no matter how good or bad Necro is in certain meta. So using Abjured isn’t really good example… however Ranger is in much worse state for sure.

Did you watch the recent ESL? Saying Nos is the only necro there, you are completely mistaken (I know you’ll say “oh we are talking about Top NA”) But if you knew there are other necors beside Nos you wouldn’t have pointed that out.

@Ross

kitten bro your pet melts in seconds haha. Try a different build, shout are so bad dude. High CD, and leaves you of the mandatory slotting of soldier runes.

PS: The video is superlagging.

Padapwn.5924:

Has anet made rangers ez mode yet?

Fixed your title. If it takes any effort into playing then its not worth it and needs a buff. I have 0 problems as a lb ranger. The only problem i have is against d/d ele, warriors who pop rampagers and i cant kite (already used cds), and reflect mesmers. If your struggling against anything else as a LB ranger please put the time into it, or roll a different class. LB ranger has some of the most consistent dps in the game, paired with GS has the burst to finish off a enemy. So tired of the “RANGER NEED BUFF” posts. I would love a buff, but then all the bandwagon boiz would come to ranger and people would complain.

TL;DR – Put the effort into learning the build/class before you complain please….. (if you dont believe me find me in game. Padapwn.5924)

How long have you been playing? Funny I dont see you in the Pre LBs, and don’t count the current one for all we know that it got reset multiple times.

Mind sending us a screenie of your pvp stats? With the Hero Panel of course.

Ross Biddle.2367:

Hi guys, elite level ranger newbie here. I threw together a build and ran some matches yesterday and was curious to see what the pros thought.

• Build
  http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQNAV3fnUqA9CitCC2CCctgBDhqf3gtE4AY0L9fLu9a/kdVoJA-TJhHwAB3fAwFBAZZgAPBAA

• Vid
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UdU2LhE2ew&feature=youtu.be

Ewww. A mesmer playing a ranger… Get Good Ross. lol

Slininstien.7546:

To me this is more of a “how do I kill a DD ele” post than anything. Simply put, have a thief and a mesmer, or a necro. A thief/mesmer can combo to break an ele in under 10s if the thief can steal the stability off the ele and the mesmer will stack daze and burst. A necro is the best 1v1 counter to this ele build at the moment anyway.

Tbh a thief CAN 1v1 a DD ele, but it needs to be VERY smart when it bursts if it is SA and if it’s Crit strikes it needs to be very mindful of its dodges and what it’s dodging.

Otherwise I’m not entirely sure what guardian builds if any can beat an ele and such like that. So just coordinate with your ele/necro/thief/mesmer on the team or any combo of those and you’ll be fine.

So you need 2 or 3 classes to kill the ele? Wow. Seems Legit.

Jace al Thor.6745:

So… 6 people played Mesmer pre patch in top tier play? Vs all the ele’s, thieves, warr, and guards? You’re kittening kidding me right?
And you never did say how many tournaments they won. Apparently none? Pre patch we had as many people in top teir as ranger and necro did. Get off the Mesmer hating high horse already.

Dude Im not hating. All of you people are so misinformed. Winning matters yes, But you guys are saying that mesmers are underrepresented or even not represented in top tier play.

The keyword here is representation. So if A team without eles won A major tourney, would you say no ele is not top tier?

We need to stop playing the victim game here.
Oh rangers in top tier? what?

I edited the list for you, more coming. I forgot the names of the others.

MailMail.6534:

Fay.2357:

StickerHappy.8052:

Mesmer’s Biggest defense? What?

Stealth, Invulns, Ports,

Because that worked so well against thieves, warriors, elementalists, engineers and guardians prepatch…

Fixed. No thank yous necessary, Pyro.

What? okay realtalk here, warriors? eles? engineers? Are you joking?

Thieves are the only ones giving mes a hard time pre patch, Medi Guardian a close second.

If stealths, invulns, ports do not work well against classes for you then I have no idea what to say anymore.

Jace al Thor.6745:

Please enlighten me. Especially seeing how ones such Supcutie switched to thief because he wasn’t doing his Team any good on Mesmer, helseth whose admitted that he would have done more for his team as a thief if he could play it well.
And while you’re naming tell me how many ToL’s these mesmers have won as Mesmer mains.

Qt Zeromis (Genesis)
Decadencia (SoAk)
Mime (Simple life)
Crazy El Presidente (Little People Big World)
Azani
Helseth
NNight (Apex)
L Ipno
Supcutie if you wanna include him

The other guy from OrNg played mesmer too I forgot the name.
The mesmer from SALT I also forgot the name.

Don’t tell me you don’t know these people. Are they not top tier enough for you guys?

Jace al Thor.6745:

StickerHappy.8052:

Jace al Thor.6745:

Sigh. I don’t need to check you post history to know you think Mesmer is overpowered and needs some huge ungodly nerf.
But seriously. It’s one blind per shatter for 3 seconds. It’s not the end of the world. And as I have said. If you’re using f4 just for the blind, your most reliable distortion and nondamaging shatter, then you’ve wasted it. The trait is already on s cd due to shatter recharge and Mesmer positioning. Need more counter play? Why don’t you just stop playing Mesmer until it’s back to what it was pre patch, with only one high tier PvP build, and very few playing in top tier PvP.
There’s better things to rant about than BD. PU and CS need worked on. BD? It’s situational and a tough choice between it and evasive mirror as it is now. Both are extremely good traits.
Saying BD is super OP is like saying GS 2 isn’t dodgeable or something.

Did you watch The ESL today? Few mesmers play top tier? I do not know where you folks get this mentality.

CS and PU oh no doubt they need some work, I never said those traits didnt need rework.

Oh trust me, I did stop playing my mesmer.

What part escaped you that I was talking about pre patch? Did you just forget to read that?
I know more are playing it NOW but you want mesmer back when not many were in top tier and was food for just about every class but necro.
And if you’ve stopped playing Mesmer don’t worry about Mesmer traits and skills. There’s been tons of discussion about how to bring Mesmer back in line while retaining its strength. BD won’t fix anything.

Pre patch?

You want me to enumerate all the players who main mesmers in top tier?

Jace al Thor.6745:

Sigh. I don’t need to check you post history to know you think Mesmer is overpowered and needs some huge ungodly nerf.
But seriously. It’s one blind per shatter for 3 seconds. It’s not the end of the world. And as I have said. If you’re using f4 just for the blind, your most reliable distortion and nondamaging shatter, then you’ve wasted it. The trait is already on s cd due to shatter recharge and Mesmer positioning. Need more counter play? Why don’t you just stop playing Mesmer until it’s back to what it was pre patch, with only one high tier PvP build, and very few playing in top tier PvP.
There’s better things to rant about than BD. PU and CS need worked on. BD? It’s situational and a tough choice between it and evasive mirror as it is now. Both are extremely good traits.
Saying BD is super OP is like saying GS 2 isn’t dodgeable or something.

Did you watch The ESL today? Few mesmers play top tier? I do not know where you folks get this mentality.

CS and PU oh no doubt they need some work, I never said those traits didnt need rework.

Oh trust me, I did stop playing my mesmer.

MailMail.6534:

StickerHappy.8052:

Why are people so intent on making Blinds from BD dodgeable?

If this fixes anything, it would be a minuscule difference.

Why?

Instant Shatters are a matter of Lucky Dodging anyways, Making the blinds not go through dodges will only matter if you manage to random dodge an Instant IP shatter.

The best way to fix this is add an ICD to BD.

Because I honestly don’t think BD working through evades was intended. An ICD would completely break Shatter Mesmer’s biggest defense: it’s the single trait that makes Shatter Mesmer able to fight on point for at least a little bit of time.

There’s also more than one way to “evade” attacks that don’t include dodging. Blurred Frenzy says hello for example.

Mesmer’s Biggest defense? What?

Stealth, Invulns, Ports,

Choppy.4183:

I don’t actually understand the problem with the trait. I mean, it’s an instant blind so is strong, but it’s not a field or frequently applied, afaik.

Instant AoE. 12 seconds is not frequent enough for you? on 1 shatter?
Pair this with other blind sources we have? Chaos Armor, Prestige, Ineptitude, CI, etc

Now don’t tell me Blinding Powder is frequent.

Daniel Handler.4816:

I’m confused why this thread exists. You seem to just want the trait removed. Please create another thread for that topic. The trait can’t exist with a cd on it. It is far too unpredictable. Either suggest another trait in its place or stop making indirect threads. And the fact that you choose to harp on this trait rather then CS or PU is quite suspicious.

Suspicious? If you check my post history, most of my threads are about this trait. I am just pointing out realtalk here, people who are complaining about the trait being undodgeable are oblivious to the strength of this trait. Make it dodgeable? then what? Random Dodge?

If they fix the undodgeable part, i bet you thats time people will see the real strength of this trait. Then will request another nerf to it.

MandJ.8965:

Yea, why not nerfing every good trait/skill on mesmers instead of learning how to handle it. Yessss, lets play Guard for shattered aegis with 10k, or a condi specc for 4k ticks burning. Oh, no, better play power necro for 6k auto attacks. Or we can main ele for massiv heals to not give a **** or aura share to make a insta win o group fights. Maybe, if thats not good enough, we can play ranger for bunker condi builds, with taunt and so funny thing. Or power with stability, 3k autoattacks rapidfire and so on.
Yes lets do this. Lets remove mesmer from the game, because i cant handle not spammable blinds and cant dodge shatter bursts, or because i cant use my stunbreaker when im stunned. Yep, lets nerf everything cool and fun on mesmer, so we can cry for the next nerfs on other classes instead of learning how to play at all.

(I agree with PU is OP.)

The typical overdramatic mesmer.

Jace al Thor.6745:

Again you’re too hung up on this.
Out of 4 shatters, 2 are used offensively, another can be used for both, the fourth is solely defensive.
Wasting the latter two just for blinds is stupid and shows ill use of skills.
The former are on a 12 and a 25ish second cd. So adding a cd to those is pointless.
And to say there no counter play isn’t true when there is AoE condi clear in the game. Is it perfect? Maybe not.However, it’s a 3second blind in Melee range. It can be cleared through condi cleanse, simply kited until it’s off, use an invuln skill, whatever. It’s not the end of the world. But you’ve not put forth any suggestion as to how to fix it either other than complain about it.
This coming from someone that doesn’t even run it. I much prefer Evasive Mirror to Blinding Disapation.

I am not too hung up on it. Any shatter can be used offensively or defensively now. You will not believe it but Rylock used f4 to burst me. so I could not prevent it.

Clears? How long is a cd on clear?

All of this you mentioned are all ideal situations. You cannot kite against a good mesmer, getting rid of the blind on an AA close range would be futile, the mesmer can kill you easily off.

Ross Biddle.2367:

StickerHappy.8052:

Ross Biddle.2367:

StickerHappy.8052:

Ross Biddle.2367:

I knew you’d reply, Stickerhappy. I was considering saying you’d be the one worth asking. Of course I also knew what you’d say. Do you realize you’ve offered nothing? You didn’t even say something unhelpful like “roll another class” :p

Anyway, while a mes can cast mirror blade from stealth, the projectile itself isnt stealthed. Same as spawning a clone from iLeap, it’ll appear on screen which is the obvious tell. The truth of the matter is that these are dodgeable in so far as you’re able to dodge. Countering a stun will mean being ready with a stun break, or having stability up. Such is the nature of the game.

The thing you’re right about is that if you’re going against a pro Mesmer, you’re more than likely boned. So don’t engage bad matchups alone. The reality right now though is that most Mesmers are FOTM Mesmers who appear more intimidating than they are. They’re beatable even on setups that you’d expect to have trouble.

When I started the game I played WvW exclusively, and the king of all classes was Thief due to their stealth, super high damage, and the old culling problem. So back then I built to hard counter Thief. As I said in my first reply, Ranger might just be lacking in this matchup so there might not be much you can do. But that doesn’t mean you can’t bring your best chance.

You know me Stickerhappy, I’m a pro Ranger, hit the skill ceiling pre patch after three pvp matches. LB GS Power Champion. Anyway, yesterday I put my thinking cap on and decided to branch out and make a SB Axe/Torch condi, death by a thousand papercuts, Ranger Shout build. I’m probably something like 20 PvP Ranger matches deep now, so I’m well into the pro territory despite having little to no condi ranger experience. My obvious concerns are thieves and mesmers, both of whom have the all powerful stealth ability. Thus Sic Em sees great use. I also know that condi cleansing can be a kitten for condi classes (Mesmer inspiration line + mantra heal), so burst condition assaults seems a silly approach. SB and Axe/torch appear more as a constant application/pressure, which better serve my purpose. Reflects? It hurts when you’re full zerker and letting off a Rapid Fire, or even those LB AA’s, but I can carelessly take the off hits of SB or Axe hits, especially when the condi damage scales off the target instead of myself. Finally traited shouts provide me and my team with perma swiftness and regen. You also get a bit of damage mitigation, and pulsing stability off the elite. So my bases are covered for an assault at least. So long as I fight in and alongside my team in the right role, I can cause the appropriate amount of pain. It’s not meta. It’s not torny tier. But it’s something.

https://youtu.be/9UdU2LhE2ew
(3:15 mark Mesmer comes in to try and burst. Thieves too throughout the vid)

Oh and ahh, this is the silly build I was running
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQNAV8fnUqA9Ci1CCuCCctgBDhqf3gtE4AY0L9fLu9a/kdVoJA-TJhHwAB3fAwFBAZZgAPBAA

The reason my reply was like that, it is usless to offer tips at this state, useless i tell you, after we see some nerfs or tweaks on all classes.

Fighting mesmer now is really hard close to impossible even, Ele has the best chance of winning

You do realize that unlike you most Rangers dont spend their time in custom arenas dueling the most hardcore lineup of Mesmers GW2 will ever know, right? :p

I know, but heres the deal, Even trash mesmers are hard to deal with now. No exaggeration. Just realtalk.

That I disagree with.

The changes have given trash mesmers an avenue to be effective, albiet in a very straightforward and simplistic way. I.e. the Mirror Blade Blink Mindrack burst. But it’s also a predictable assault. CoD has a weapon dubbed “the newb tube” which allows newbs to get into the game and be effective in a very hostile environment.

So yes, trash mesmers can be effective, but they’re easily avoided and counterable. If I can do it on a kshot war, then it’s open season on FOTM Mesmers for all.

Trash mesmers are still counterable using other classes, but rangers tho? I would not think so.

Everything the ranger has, mesmers can easily counter. Our ranged weapons are easily nullifed with high uptime on reflects.

Ross Biddle.2367:

StickerHappy.8052:

Ross Biddle.2367:

I knew you’d reply, Stickerhappy. I was considering saying you’d be the one worth asking. Of course I also knew what you’d say. Do you realize you’ve offered nothing? You didn’t even say something unhelpful like “roll another class” :p

Anyway, while a mes can cast mirror blade from stealth, the projectile itself isnt stealthed. Same as spawning a clone from iLeap, it’ll appear on screen which is the obvious tell. The truth of the matter is that these are dodgeable in so far as you’re able to dodge. Countering a stun will mean being ready with a stun break, or having stability up. Such is the nature of the game.

The thing you’re right about is that if you’re going against a pro Mesmer, you’re more than likely boned. So don’t engage bad matchups alone. The reality right now though is that most Mesmers are FOTM Mesmers who appear more intimidating than they are. They’re beatable even on setups that you’d expect to have trouble.

When I started the game I played WvW exclusively, and the king of all classes was Thief due to their stealth, super high damage, and the old culling problem. So back then I built to hard counter Thief. As I said in my first reply, Ranger might just be lacking in this matchup so there might not be much you can do. But that doesn’t mean you can’t bring your best chance.

You know me Stickerhappy, I’m a pro Ranger, hit the skill ceiling pre patch after three pvp matches. LB GS Power Champion. Anyway, yesterday I put my thinking cap on and decided to branch out and make a SB Axe/Torch condi, death by a thousand papercuts, Ranger Shout build. I’m probably something like 20 PvP Ranger matches deep now, so I’m well into the pro territory despite having little to no condi ranger experience. My obvious concerns are thieves and mesmers, both of whom have the all powerful stealth ability. Thus Sic Em sees great use. I also know that condi cleansing can be a kitten for condi classes (Mesmer inspiration line + mantra heal), so burst condition assaults seems a silly approach. SB and Axe/torch appear more as a constant application/pressure, which better serve my purpose. Reflects? It hurts when you’re full zerker and letting off a Rapid Fire, or even those LB AA’s, but I can carelessly take the off hits of SB or Axe hits, especially when the condi damage scales off the target instead of myself. Finally traited shouts provide me and my team with perma swiftness and regen. You also get a bit of damage mitigation, and pulsing stability off the elite. So my bases are covered for an assault at least. So long as I fight in and alongside my team in the right role, I can cause the appropriate amount of pain. It’s not meta. It’s not torny tier. But it’s something.

https://youtu.be/9UdU2LhE2ew
(3:15 mark Mesmer comes in to try and burst. Thieves too throughout the vid)

Oh and ahh, this is the silly build I was running
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQNAV8fnUqA9Ci1CCuCCctgBDhqf3gtE4AY0L9fLu9a/kdVoJA-TJhHwAB3fAwFBAZZgAPBAA

The reason my reply was like that, it is usless to offer tips at this state, useless i tell you, after we see some nerfs or tweaks on all classes.

Fighting mesmer now is really hard close to impossible even, Ele has the best chance of winning

You do realize that unlike you most Rangers dont spend their time in custom arenas dueling the most hardcore lineup of Mesmers GW2 will ever know, right? :p

I know, but heres the deal, Even trash mesmers are hard to deal with now. No exaggeration. Just realtalk.

Jace al Thor.6745:

Yeah there’s 4 shatters. But if you use diversion and distortion for the blind then you might as well go home.
I think you’re too hung up on this Stickers. People want it avoidable. Let them have it

Avoidable? If you random dodge? Heres the deal, instant AoE blinds have no counterplay.

Maugetarr.6823:

StickerHappy.8052:

Maugetarr.6823:

StickerHappy.8052:

Maugetarr.6823:

The blind is unblockable because it’s attached to the shot itself which also includes the teleport. When it wasn’t unblockable, if you fired it into a reflect it shadowstepped your target to you (if you didn’t dodge your reflected shot). It is still dodgeable though and there are skills on professions that make you immune to blinds or conditions in general. If a blind prevents you from landing an attack or attacking so you don’t waste an attack it’s working as intended. The only blind that seems like it’s not is the mesmer one that goes through dodges.

I wanna ask, how do you dodge something that is instant (referring to mesmers shatter)

People pushing the dodges changes do not know anything. The dodge bug is the least of the problems when it comes of the issue of blinds.

If you’re in the face of the mesmer you can only predict it (much like dodging a thief steal or ele S/X lightning strike/blinding flash). If you’re not within range, the clones have to run at you first after seeing the mesmer shatter animation, so you should be able to dodge (or correct me if I’m wrong on where the blind comes from). It probably should be blockable as well since as far as I can tell it’s just an extra effect tacked on to shatters (like confusion or vuln).

Blind is only around the mesmer, so I think people pushing for the make BD dodgeable are…fixing it won’t change anything.

It appears you are correct. I thought that it was attached in the same way. Perhaps making it blockable/dodgeable would be enough as it would be the same as any other shatter effect.

nah, the verdict still stands, there still would not be any counterplay excpet for random dodging.

Exciton.8942:

StickerHappy.8052:

Exciton.8942:

There are already CDs on shatter skills. What’s the point to put another layer of CDs on the function that is built upon it? I mean no decent mesmer gonna repeatedly shatter in close range to you just to stack some blind duration.

If you put it on short iCD 5-10s, it basically just makes it not affect multiple foes and becomes awkward to use. If you put it on long iCD 15s+. Then the trait is essentially dead. Because mesmers will shatter in range a lot. One shatter in range basically nullifies the trait.

you are forgetting that thats 4 different shatters, 4 different cds.. which you could easily pair stealths and invulns ports while waiting the cds to go off cd.

Not really. In reality, F4 is already invul which you save for the most dire moment. F3 is the most important skill to both setup burst and save life. You won’t use any of these two for blind.

This only leaves F1 and F2. F1 is one of the main source of our damage. If you are fine shattering it for blind, then you waste some damage. Sounds like good tradeoff for me. F2 is the only skill that you can use purely for this trait(You also may want to use for boon removal). It also has more than 20s of CD.

Last but not least, blind is only a mitigation not a life saver. It gets removed after a missed hit. You can’t rely on blind to survive when your other skills are on CD.

Mesmers damage now is too strong, even without MW. Phantasm, HS, Mirror Blade, is a lot of damage already so I wouldn’t call that gimping your damage when you use your MW defensively. Even that defensive attempt will still deal damage.

Also, when you use your f1 from a burst, you can easily port out again, by the time they reach you in melee range you can already have MW back off cd again.

So how do you exactly kill a good mesmer?

Ross Biddle.2367:

I knew you’d reply, Stickerhappy. I was considering saying you’d be the one worth asking. Of course I also knew what you’d say. Do you realize you’ve offered nothing? You didn’t even say something unhelpful like “roll another class” :p

Anyway, while a mes can cast mirror blade from stealth, the projectile itself isnt stealthed. Same as spawning a clone from iLeap, it’ll appear on screen which is the obvious tell. The truth of the matter is that these are dodgeable in so far as you’re able to dodge. Countering a stun will mean being ready with a stun break, or having stability up. Such is the nature of the game.

The thing you’re right about is that if you’re going against a pro Mesmer, you’re more than likely boned. So don’t engage bad matchups alone. The reality right now though is that most Mesmers are FOTM Mesmers who appear more intimidating than they are. They’re beatable even on setups that you’d expect to have trouble.

When I started the game I played WvW exclusively, and the king of all classes was Thief due to their stealth, super high damage, and the old culling problem. So back then I built to hard counter Thief. As I said in my first reply, Ranger might just be lacking in this matchup so there might not be much you can do. But that doesn’t mean you can’t bring your best chance.

You know me Stickerhappy, I’m a pro Ranger, hit the skill ceiling pre patch after three pvp matches. LB GS Power Champion. Anyway, yesterday I put my thinking cap on and decided to branch out and make a SB Axe/Torch condi, death by a thousand papercuts, Ranger Shout build. I’m probably something like 20 PvP Ranger matches deep now, so I’m well into the pro territory despite having little to no condi ranger experience. My obvious concerns are thieves and mesmers, both of whom have the all powerful stealth ability. Thus Sic Em sees great use. I also know that condi cleansing can be a kitten for condi classes (Mesmer inspiration line + mantra heal), so burst condition assaults seems a silly approach. SB and Axe/torch appear more as a constant application/pressure, which better serve my purpose. Reflects? It hurts when you’re full zerker and letting off a Rapid Fire, or even those LB AA’s, but I can carelessly take the off hits of SB or Axe hits, especially when the condi damage scales off the target instead of myself. Finally traited shouts provide me and my team with perma swiftness and regen. You also get a bit of damage mitigation, and pulsing stability off the elite. So my bases are covered for an assault at least. So long as I fight in and alongside my team in the right role, I can cause the appropriate amount of pain. It’s not meta. It’s not torny tier. But it’s something.

https://youtu.be/9UdU2LhE2ew
(3:15 mark Mesmer comes in to try and burst. Thieves too throughout the vid)

Oh and ahh, this is the silly build I was running
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQNAV8fnUqA9Ci1CCuCCctgBDhqf3gtE4AY0L9fLu9a/kdVoJA-TJhHwAB3fAwFBAZZgAPBAA

The reason my reply was like that, it is usless to offer tips at this state, useless i tell you, after we see some nerfs or tweaks on all classes.

Fighting mesmer now is really hard close to impossible even, Ele has the best chance of winning

Maugetarr.6823:

StickerHappy.8052:

Maugetarr.6823:

The blind is unblockable because it’s attached to the shot itself which also includes the teleport. When it wasn’t unblockable, if you fired it into a reflect it shadowstepped your target to you (if you didn’t dodge your reflected shot). It is still dodgeable though and there are skills on professions that make you immune to blinds or conditions in general. If a blind prevents you from landing an attack or attacking so you don’t waste an attack it’s working as intended. The only blind that seems like it’s not is the mesmer one that goes through dodges.

I wanna ask, how do you dodge something that is instant (referring to mesmers shatter)

People pushing the dodges changes do not know anything. The dodge bug is the least of the problems when it comes of the issue of blinds.

If you’re in the face of the mesmer you can only predict it (much like dodging a thief steal or ele S/X lightning strike/blinding flash). If you’re not within range, the clones have to run at you first after seeing the mesmer shatter animation, so you should be able to dodge (or correct me if I’m wrong on where the blind comes from). It probably should be blockable as well since as far as I can tell it’s just an extra effect tacked on to shatters (like confusion or vuln).

Blind is only around the mesmer, so I think people pushing for the make BD dodgeable are…fixing it won’t change anything.

Exciton.8942:

There are already CDs on shatter skills. What’s the point to put another layer of CDs on the function that is built upon it? I mean no decent mesmer gonna repeatedly shatter in close range to you just to stack some blind duration.

If you put it on short iCD 5-10s, it basically just makes it not affect multiple foes and becomes awkward to use. If you put it on long iCD 15s+. Then the trait is essentially dead. Because mesmers will shatter in range a lot. One shatter in range basically nullifies the trait.

you are forgetting that thats 4 different shatters, 4 different cds.. which you could easily pair stealths and invulns ports while waiting the cds to go off cd.

Ithilwen.1529:

The real deal is simple. BD stops the run-in-and-burst-for-instant-dead-mesmer “mechanic.” Thieves and Warriors are no doubt especially upset that they actually have to play against a Mesmer with BD.

Oh I get your point trust me. But The question I was asking, why are people still only fixated on making BD dodgeable, I wouldn’t think this makes a big difference because shatters are instant, so a random dodge or lucky dodge are the only things that “make BD dodgeable” argument be solved.

Jace al Thor.6745:

Ok so we’re looking at lockdown and S/T GS shatter that will cause major issues with the trait. Double range/mantra tends to stay at a distance until it’s ready for a large burst. Phantasm builds try not to shatter and condi, depending on the build stays out of Melee range as well so again blind isn’t a problem is it?

The problem is how do you kill the mesmer in melee range or 240 range before he kills you. Its not the mesmer being in range. Its about granting mesmers addtional survivability on top of ports, invulns, and stealth.

On Top of doing some real good damage.

Maugetarr.6823:

The blind is unblockable because it’s attached to the shot itself which also includes the teleport. When it wasn’t unblockable, if you fired it into a reflect it shadowstepped your target to you (if you didn’t dodge your reflected shot). It is still dodgeable though and there are skills on professions that make you immune to blinds or conditions in general. If a blind prevents you from landing an attack or attacking so you don’t waste an attack it’s working as intended. The only blind that seems like it’s not is the mesmer one that goes through dodges.

I wanna ask, how do you dodge something that is instant (referring to mesmers shatter)

People pushing the dodges changes do not know anything. The dodge bug is the least of the problems when it comes of the issue of blinds.

Jace al Thor.6745:

If a Mesmer is standing right on top of you then yeah hard to predict a single instant MW. However, if you’re setting up for a three clone MW then having multiple clones running toward is very predictable AND dodgeable.

But people are forgetting, the clones does not have to do anything about it. BD procs ON the mesmer, not on the clones so, if you see the clones running to you, the mesmer prolly is not intending to blind you.

This goes for any shatter for that matter, No tells when it comes to BD, Instant Cast.

@all

Going through blocks/invulns is the only ones worth fixing.
Dodges tho? Really? I did not know people can predict an instant skill now.

Jace al Thor.6745:

Well it would make them feel good about themselves for starters.
As for the icd… Idk how I feel about it. What would be the point? If you’re playing a shatter Mesmer then you wouldn’t be wasting shatters for blinds since you’ll be trying to set up your burst so the shatter cd’s act as an icd for the blinds.

Mental Anguish with BD MW crits for 2k-3k. I would not call it to be a waster. Also MW is on a 12 second cd so.

Why are people so intent on making Blinds from BD dodgeable?

If this fixes anything, it would be a minuscule difference.

Why?

Instant Shatters are a matter of Lucky Dodging anyways, Making the blinds not go through dodges will only matter if you manage to random dodge an Instant IP shatter.

The best way to fix this is add an ICD to BD.

@Ross

I know your motives are good, but I really disagree with you. Mesmers are God-Tier atm, a ranger will have a very hard if not impossible battle against an equal skill mesmer.
Experience with both classes do not count.
I have 2k games with my mesmer and 2k games with my ranger, high MMR matches, if that tells you something.

Not to engage 1v1 might help, but in teamfights, rangers will be always focused since they are squishy and lack defensive mechanisms.

Mesmers (even the generic mesmer) has all the tools to counter rangers.

Condi? Inspiration line (This line is the meta so a lot of mesmers you see will run this)
Reflects? An Adept Major trait can be taken to counter projectiles.
Blinds? A lot of blinds, BD, Ineptitude, Chaos Armor.
Disengage/Burst? Distortion (Baseline IP now), Stealths (Mesmers have a lot) Torch Decoy is also a staple now +Mass invis if you want
Burst Again? Inspiration line (Mental Defense) Maul Burst? Easily blinded, RF Burst? Easily Interrupted.
Burst? CC? Mesmers have easily ports (Phase Retreat, hell a traited blink is a 24 second cd Stun breaker, Reflect of 2 seconds, 1200 Range)

^All of the one I mentioned above, any mesmer build can have 1 or 2 of those.
Toughness does not even do anything nowadays (See Rylocks Video For Comparison)

Rangers are underpowered compared to other classes we all know that pre patch, post patch the gap is even bigger.

You also Cannot replicate that warrior perspective.

Why? You have higher hp, higher base armor, sustain with healing signet, etc.

I am sorry, Mesmers are overbuffed and overpowered at the moment.

Dodge the mirror blade? Good mesmers cast this from stealth, how do you exactly dodge something from stealth again?