Guild Wars 2

Pandabro.8743:

Basic combat is almost always pretty mind numbing in MMORPG PVE. It’s the encounters that make it fun, sadly this game’s challenging and enjoyable encounters are few and far between.

This sums up what I was going to say.

FlamingFoxx.1305:

^— What he said. Its a desert map, that doesn’t mean it is the Crystal Desert at all… Even on Reddit the poster conceded that he only wrote ‘Crystal Desert’ because it’s what seemed likely to him – but it isn’t likely, that stuff is there because it is meant to be there and the Crystal Desert is not the only sandy place in the GW world…

Especially if the Maguuma wastes are now all dried up. Could be a ton of sand there.

Yeeah there’s another thread on this. Just because it’s in a PvP map, that does not guarantee anything is coming up. I’d expect something BIG coming up in August for the 1 year birthday of GW2, but really, glitching to the bottom of a PvP map doesn’t tell us anything of Anet’s goals or plans coming up.

Having gold =/= winning. Having gold means I can buy stuff. Doesn’t mean I’m suddenly stronger than you in tPvP.

GenoUnknown.7504:

Chances are if they bring back zones like Elona, Cantha, Crystal Desert, they will be in future Expansions/Chapters, and become a permanent part of the game world.(Well Crystal Desert might be more of an update kind of thing instead of a whole Chapter/Expansion) I am wondering how they will handle it though. Will it be like Guild Wars 1? Where they release a chapter that can be played apart from the original game (Ala Don’t need Guild Wars to play Guild Wars: Factions).

I honestly liked that set up a lot, and with the the way zones work (Scale your level down to match the zone) It would work great in this game. Granted, it didn’t ruin GW1, as being max level didn’t mean much, but that idea could still work in this game easily. Not to mention, when the new chapters came out, you didn’t need to be max level, or even complete the other Chapter(s) to travel there. So it was lower level friendly.

But all in all, to answer your question, those are huge area’s. Continents. About as big as Tyria if not a lil’ smaller, or a lil’ bigger. If they come in the game (They probably will) They’re going to be like Tyria, with zones, and new quests, new Main Story arch, etc. I just hope it’s like a “Chapter” like they did in Guild Wars 1, instead of a full blown expansion.

They said early on that if they do expansions or anything, they will require the base game. They will be for max level players and expand the level cap and would not be playable until after GW2 vanilla has been completed.

It will not be a standalone game, but an actual expansion (like Eye of the North).

Azure Prower.8701:

Amadan.9451:

there are no account wide stats that make you better than anyone else who doesn’t have those stats.

Yes they do actually. They make you richer easier. That’s self explanatory.

Lol so 4 extra copper per silver is making you super right… right…

Sounds good Goddess, thanks!

Hey there folks, just walked in from work. Sorry if this thread already exists, figured I’d post it while I went off and got some dinner and check it when I got back.

I am loving these weapon skins especially for leveling alts. My question is, after seeing
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Achievement_rewards#Achievement_rewards
I started to ask myself if we’d ever be able to (in the future) get all of the Zenith weapon skins?

As it currently stands, we get to choose 7 of them up to 10,000 points. This doesn’t worry me since I’m only at 7,000 anyway but having 12 character slots, I have a character that can use pretty much every weapon in-game and I’d love to eventually be able to use all of them.

If anyone has an answer to this (if I missed it somewhere) I’d love to know if the 10,000 chest is the last one or if eventually it will expand or maybe they’ll incorporate another way of getting the other skins we already didn’t get. Don’t get me wrong, if I have to max out at 10,000 and only have 7 I’ll live, but I am just curious.

Thanks in advance.

What friendly competition are you speaking of? The achievement (read: elitism) leaderboard that is causing strife because players are rewarded for being loyal? Yeah that’s some friendly competition there.

Friendly competition is where people don’t care who wins or loses – they do it for the fun and the rush of competing. When someone tries to take away from others in a competition, it’s no longer friendly.

Stick to your guns. You’re either for friendly competition or you’re for the removal of HoM achievement points. Can’t be both because they directly contradict each other.

Amun Ra.6435:

Mkalafut.1273:

Amun Ra.6435:

Wait…AP from GW1 count towards AP totals in GW2? Really?

I can see why they gave GW1 players HoM….but being granted AP in GW2 is just ridiculous! Wow….

If there were no leaderboards this wouldn’t matter. Anet has said way before GW2 even launched that GW1 players would be rewarded in GW2. Not sure why that outrages you or makes you upset when this was something they said before we even saw that the Mesmer was a returning class to the game.

Like I said , I have no problem with GW1 players getting HoM…but it is wrong that achievement points themselves count towards the totals in GW2…is that to hard to understand?

HoM is not enough of a reward?

Arena Net said that they would be rewarding HoM devotees in Guild Wars 2. They said all of this before any beta event, and before they even announced all the professions that would be playable in Guild Wars 2.

Remember when Sylvari were basically elves? Yeah, we knew HoM would reward those players in GW2 before they were changed to tree people. Not only that, I think the crucial bit you’re missing is that not everyone who played GW1 even got to 30/50. In another thread someone estimated that around 10% of the people from GW1 got 30/50 or better. Even less, (under 3%) even got 50/50.

So this magical figure of “OMG THEY GOT 500 extra points!!!!” garbage is false because not everyone with HoM Achievement points has 500 of them. Most do not.

Lol those are some cool screenshots. Not sure that glitching into areas you shouldn’t be in constitute as “Content incoming!” but any new addition to the game is welcomed by me – especially returning GW1 aspects.

Mystic.5934:

Isolated. can you play GW1 from GW2? can you play GW2 from GW1? How are they connected at all? sure: similar theme / setting / characters / style / company that made it, but you can’t do anything in GW2 that affects your experience in GW1. visa versa used to be the case.
This is the final nail in the achievements-are-meaningless coffin. Trouble is, achievements now give rewards, which raises this from an ignorable bug in the game to an issue.

I have a friend who I would compete with for achievement point earning. It’s no longer a competition when someone gets handed the victory on a HoM-engraved silver platter.

Once again. Before we knew that Mesmers were a returning profession to the game, we knew that Anet was going to reward HoM awards in GW2. That was basically the purpose of HoM. I’m not sure why or how you never got that memo, but before ANY of the betas and before all of the professions were announced, we knew this fact.

ArchonWing.9480:

Fernling.1729:

It’s hard to look at the leaderboard as being competitive because it is all time based. Congratulations, you play 16 hours a day. It is not skill based at all, it just shows who has the most time available. Of course, there is a bit of other things involved, like who can optimize their time best, but that can easily be overridden by others with more time.

I know, I know. I can’t take it seriously either.

However, since people are crying over it, let’s humor them with simple solutions to a non-issue.

What’s more laughable than the achievement leaderboard? The people who complain about when they lose their spot on said leaderboard.

Jemmi.6058:

Personally, I wish that the races did play a role on how you experience the game.

For example, I think that asurans should be able to access more difficult / cramped locations.

I think that Norns and Charr should run the fastest.

I think that Sylvari should innately regenerate.

I agree that the racial skills could be a lot cooler.

Yeah I can see a lot of QQ on that. People complain that others have achievements that they don’t, so imagine having inherent +move speed or +regeneration. No way it’d fly here with this community.

I do agree that not only racial abilities, but most of them (utility and elite) should be looked at and redone.

Amun Ra.6435:

Wait…AP from GW1 count towards AP totals in GW2? Really?

I can see why they gave GW1 players HoM….but being granted AP in GW2 is just ridiculous! Wow….

If there were no leaderboards this wouldn’t matter. Anet has said way before GW2 even launched that GW1 players would be rewarded in GW2. Not sure why that outrages you or makes you upset when this was something they said before we even saw that the Mesmer was a returning class to the game.

Unknown.3672:

Guild Wars 1 players biggest achievement was keeping the franchise alive so that gw2 could be made they should have gotten all those points at the start of the game. I have zero points in the HOM section and still thanks for original loyal players.

Well you’re welcome, in fact I still play GW1 from time to time because of how fond I am of the game and the times that I had. A lot of GW1 vets and people who have never even played the game who know how hard HoM was to fill agree that it’s worth the rewards we have gotten for them (especially since they usually took 5,000+ hours to get above 30).

Azjenco.9425:

Even since before GW2 was released, ANet promised extra incentives to those who carry their accounts over from the first game to the second. I’m very surprised players are acting shocked over this now.

They’re complaining now because it affects their spot on a useless leaderboard because a few people who bumped up in rank had spent 1000s of hours in GW1 and they don’t think they should be rewarded for that even though ANet, since before GW2 launched, said they would be.

Once again, and before I leave the thread and just enjoy the game, ArenaNet has made it very clear that they would be rewarding GW1 vets in GW2. We knew this before we knew which professions would be in GW2.

Not sure what else to say that I haven’t already said. Maybe stop trying to remove the achievements of others because you’re jealous or upset that they have stuff you don’t. I don’t have a legendary, I just don’t see it worth the time or money investment (not to mention RNG with a precursor) but I don’t go around heckling everyone with a legendary.

The achievement leaderboards are useless and if they suddenly removed or reset them, you’d have no problem with HoM. The issue isn’t with HoM it’s with the leaderboards, so stop trying to remove achievements of others simply because you don’t have them.

Ashen.2907:

This is incorrect.

One need not actively avoid HOM to get less than 40. One need merely enjoy, and play, elements of the game that did not reward HOM points. How many points were awarded for RA for example ?

The RA title was able to be dedicated very high up, if not max – I CBA to wiki it since I’m on my way out for work. Basically it was worth 1 or 3 HoM points depending on whether or not you maxed it out and dedicated it that way, or used it as the PvP title.

I used Zkeys to get my PvP title because RA was a pain in the butt and to even get 1 title point you had to win at least 3 times in a row (didn’t bode well for a warrior).

william dj.6953:

not sure I recall gw1 vets asking for more lately. This was a nice surprise to them as Anet feels now the tab for gw1 achievements has been adjusted appropriately.

It seems all the ppl boohooing about this claim they are dedicated loyal customers of anet. If so prove it. Buy gw1 spend 1000 plus hours EARN the achievement points. Just like all the players that got them. The amount of time it takes to earn 500 points in gw2 vastly pales in comparison to getting 5050. imo it should be 1000 points or more.
Thank you anet for showing you have not forgot all those who supported gw1 for all those years. Don’t let the sniveling few undo what you have done.
The sense of entitlement I keep hearing about is by far more from those who did not get the additional points. I will no longer follow this thread, any comments to this post will only be to see your self talk. And to the above post. It’s not arrogance, its ignorance on the part of the whiners. ppl keep saying its a completely different game. really? if so it only shows how little they know about gw1/gw2

We didn’t ask. It is in fact a nice surprise, and the fact that it’s still in game leads me to believe that it is going to stay this way.

Sorry to the folks who are salty about this, but ArenaNet is not going to take this away and punish the loyal players just because you guys moved 2 spots down on a useless leaderbaord.

Enjoy your stay (and for some, enjoy the new games you head to because of this (LOL) ) and try not to hate people who have stuff you don’t have.

Firebaall.5127:

OP is a hypocrite.

If he really wanted a fair shake for the GW2 leaderboards, he’d be advocating the removal of all Daily AP rewards as well. He’s only complaining for the benefit of his bruised ego.

At least everybody has the option to buy or work on GW1 for these points. No player can go back and get daily APs that they missed. Frankly, the only reason the OP was that highly ranked in the first place, was simply because he worked on this daily APs earlier than those below him. Nothing more.

GW1 rewards were intended to be part of GW2 from the start. 2 AP points per title track was by far too little. This is a rebalance. It’s more than fair.

Agreed.

Vayne.8563:

If Guild Wars 1 fans weren’t getting enough for being Guild Wars 1 fans, you’d think there’d be some heavy debate about it before this on these forums.

This has nothing to do with entitlement. You guys are the ones kittening. I’m just defending the fact that we shouldn’t have points revoked because you guys didn’t play GW1 – which is an achievement category Anet decided to include in GW2.

Astralporing.1957:

Vayne.8563:

How was it supposed to be “more rewarding”. They told you exactly what you got and you worked for those things. It’s EXACTLY as rewarding as it was supposed to be.

HoM calculator appeared very, very late. Even then, most info suggested that the armor and weapons listed on it would not be just skins, but top tier eq (no better than anything you could get in game, and thus offering no advantage). HoM was supposed to be a big location in GW2, with instance similar to gw1, that would allow you to show off your gw1 accomplishments to friends. In fact, i distinctly remember one of devs mentioning that reaching HoM would be a major point of personal story in GW2.

And of course original concepts for HoM, way before calculator, suggested even more.

I remember that as well. Maybe they forgot about all that?

Vayne.8563:

Mkalafut.1273:

Astralporing.1957:

Mkalafut.1273:

Ok once again. Less than I’d say 10% of all GW1 players even got 50/50.

Make that less than 10% for 30/50. 50/50 is definitely way less than 1%. Lot of whose are no longer playing GW2. And lot of the remaining ones do not have enough GW2 achievement points to end up in numbered places on Leaderboards anyway.
And if they are high on leaderboards, it’s because they worked very hard for it, and definitely deserved it.

If there’s a problem anywhere, it’s in Leaderboards, not in HoM. And in mentality of some people.

By the way – from what i have seen, some of the living story achievements got bumped as well. They can’t be done anymore. And yet i see noone raising hell about it.

This should be the last post of this thread. Very well said and great point.

It should be the last post in the thread because you agree with it? LMAO

The problem is that Anet changed something that no one was asking them to change thus causing a problem. There wasn’t any real reason to change it. Now that they have, people are understandably mad.

I don’t see why you can’t see that those who care about leaderboards have a legit point.

Because I’m tired of you and the other two whiners carrying on stomping on the ground pouting that others have stuff you don’t. Get over it. If they suddenly removed the stupid, pointless leaderboard you wouldn’t give 2 craps about others having these achievements. Stop trying to reward the achievements of others because you’re greedy and envious.

Like I said in the other thread, I am done discussing this. Enjoy the game. I will enjoy being rewarded for what I did in the previous game. Sorry it makes your back side hurt. Well, not really sorry, but you know…

All I meant by that comment was that for the time investment and effort involved in achieving 30/50 or 50/50 players could have been rewarded with more stuff – even if it was just GW1 related. What I said in the text that you quoted from me had nothing to do with the current discussion. Any one of my posts in this or the other 2 threads about this issue will tell you my exact thoughts on the subject but I am going to enjoy the game and not continue to post here.

This thread has run its course. As someone mentioned in another thread, Living story achievments got boosted up too. Better make a thread about that too, right? Have a fun time in GW2. Try not to be too upset that others have stuff you don’t.

Astralporing.1957:

Mkalafut.1273:

Ok once again. Less than I’d say 10% of all GW1 players even got 50/50.

Make that less than 10% for 30/50. 50/50 is definitely way less than 1%. Lot of whose are no longer playing GW2. And lot of the remaining ones do not have enough GW2 achievement points to end up in numbered places on Leaderboards anyway.
And if they are high on leaderboards, it’s because they worked very hard for it, and definitely deserved it.

If there’s a problem anywhere, it’s in Leaderboards, not in HoM. And in mentality of some people.

By the way – from what i have seen, some of the living story achievements got bumped as well. They can’t be done anymore. And yet i see noone raising hell about it.

This should be the last post of this thread. Very well said and great point.

Vayne.8563:

Mkalafut.1273:

Astralporing.1957:

holodoc.5748:

HoM was just a way to easily follow game progression in GW1 but people started looking at it as something which was supposed to guarantee them a better start in GW2.

Perhaps because it was advertised as exactly that from the day one. Remember, the information about HoM was given at the same time that GW2 was announced. In fact, HoM was supposed to be much more important in GW2 that it is now.

Also

If Anet gave me the choice, I’d disable my HoM points, because it’s not something worth dividing the community over.

If anet gave me a choice, I’d disable the Leaderboards, because they are not something worth dividing the community over. And we’ve seen people arguing about achievement points long before HoM points change.

This. Not to mention cosmetic skins give no “head start” to GW2… They talked up HoM to be much more rewarding than it turned out to be – especially for the amount of effort required to max it out.

Actually they said way before Guild Wars 2 came out that the HoM skins would give you no advantage in Guild Wars 2. That was always said from day one. Why? Because why would anyone else want to play a game disadvantaged?

Why turn off the community coming to the game? They needed more than just Guild Wars 1 people to play this game.

So now, why give Guild Wars 1 people an advantage that affects the leaderboards. Let them keep the points but let it not affect the leaderboards and it would probably be fine.

It was supposed to be more “rewarding” not “provide advantages”. Also putting SOME players ahead on the stupid leaderboard doesn’t provide any advantage. You still have no argument. HoM achievement points provide literally no advantage over players without it. Even if a few players were bumped up on the leaderboard because of the extra points. There’s still NO advantage to that.

Astralporing.1957:

Vayne.8563:

I wouldn’t mind seeing them gone…but then some people like them. I don’t really see the purpose of dailies and HoM rewards are counted though.

And exactly due to discussions like that Leaderboards should be removed. As long as they exist people will agrue over whether some achievements should be worth more or less than others (with opinions usually depending on whose achievements the each arguing person posess).

Exactly. Achievements are all in the same interface, yet some people who don’t want to or can’t acquire certain ones will always complain that they should be worth less to those who can or did earn them.

Astralporing.1957:

holodoc.5748:

HoM was just a way to easily follow game progression in GW1 but people started looking at it as something which was supposed to guarantee them a better start in GW2.

Perhaps because it was advertised as exactly that from the day one. Remember, the information about HoM was given at the same time that GW2 was announced. In fact, HoM was supposed to be much more important in GW2 that it is now.

Also

If Anet gave me the choice, I’d disable my HoM points, because it’s not something worth dividing the community over.

If anet gave me a choice, I’d disable the Leaderboards, because they are not something worth dividing the community over. And we’ve seen people arguing about achievement points long before HoM points change.

This. Not to mention cosmetic skins give no “head start” to GW2… They talked up HoM to be much more rewarding than it turned out to be – especially for the amount of effort required to max it out.

Luthan.5236:

Yeah remove the AP from GW1. Don’t want to be forced to play that crappy old game(they might want ot make money from this and get people to buy that game and the expansions). There are already the titles and stuff(which I don’t need since there are enough other titles from GW2 only… but that rewards should be enough for GW1 players).

Also cap the points from ALL repeatable stuff – which means cap on dailies also(not only on stuff like Agent of Entropy). This way players starting later also would have a chance to catch up since players that played from the start would reach a cap some day and not always be ahead… and you would be forced to play other parts of the game and get all the permanent achievements(like WvW and sPvP even if you got your 10k+ only from dungeons and PvE and dailies).

Wrong thread. We’re talking about removing the leaderboards, not the HoM reward points. I agree that infinite achievement points make the entire system basically pointless – which brings me back to “remove the leaderboard for a pointless system.”

I’m done posting in these threads. For those of you quitting over this, enjoy whatever game you go to. The rest of you, see you in game. And thanks again to ArenaNet for rewarding the veteran players of your franchise!

Nobody asked for them to raise the points. They felt it was worth their effort and rewarded them with an extra thank you for their time and effort in the previous installment of the GW Franchise.

The only people bringing it up are those bitter at the people who earned them and want their achievements removed because they don’t have as many points for doing less work.

Astralporing.1957:

Serenity.6149:

You’re kinda right, actually. It was my understanding that you could no longer accrue HoM rewards unless you bought EotN before GW2 release, but if it’s still possible then implement a cutoff preventing any new HoMs being started. Problem solved. You will no longer have to worry about paying for APs.

You don’t have to worry about paying for APs anyway. 50 HoM points would mean several years of GW1 play. Lot of time spent in GW1 that wouldn’t be spent in GW2. It is much, much easier to get those points in GW2.
And if someone buys gw1, does the HoM unlocks, and yet has a time to go for every possible achievement in GW2? You will never catch up to such person anyway.

Exactly. The time that these guys are spending complaining on the forums can be used to acquire more AP. Also, yes, ANYBODY can go into GW1 at any point and get HoM points. It’s not locked.

Zero Tolerance.1539:

maddoctor.2738:

It’s still a difference and an advantage that nobody cared about. And 500 points is nothing if you really want to “compete” on the leaderboards and stay in the game for a lengthy amount of time. Oh wait, you want to “compete” on the leaderboards and quit the game in a few months?

Hard math I see. Anyone in top10 is in for the long run in this game. For all of us it is far easier to make up 20pts difference than 500. I do not expect anyone in top 10 to stop playing for the month. But I count on the unexpected to happen and them missing 2 days while I won’t. It is obvious, not sure why you not getting it.

Mkalafut.1273:

Even if someone was bumped ahead of you in these leaderboards, that just means he worked harder than you. I still fail to see the point.

No, they didn’t work hard enough. ‘Cos I was ahead of them when they had 20pts or whatever. Now I’m not and they didn’t do anything to get that. They slacked in GW2 to the point that I got ahead of them. Now I’m kittened while they did nothing to deserve the ranking.

To the first part: There is a guy in top 50 kittening in another thread about quitting the game if they don’t remove our HoM achievement points. So obviously something as stupid as this is something a top whatever player would quit over.

To the 2nd part, once again, go ahead and try GW1 – try to get even 10 points. Then come back to me once you fail or give up before 5. People who got bumped up by 500 points did 50/50 – not everyone got 50/50 and not everyone who got bumped up above you had 50/50.

So while you can blame HoM for your drop in a useless leaderboard, maybe you should take into account that others just work harder than you an get your rank back up you should work a bit harder yourself.

Vayne.8563:

I think it was a mistake for Anet to raise these points…and I have 50/50 in my HoM.

By the same token, there’s no skill…or at least very little skill in achievements/achievement points in Guild Wars 2. Those who do dailies every day, most of which are quite easy, will have more achievement points than anyone else. Dedication isn’t skill.

The leaderboards, from this point of view, are meaningless.

I don’t agree that it was a mistake. As someone else who got 50/50 surely you think they’d be worth more than a measly 20 points? I do agree with the leaderboard being meaningless. Achievements in general I find are meaningless in GW2. You can not do a single achievement and just do dailys every day and monthly every month and eventually get every reward.

Zero Tolerance.1539:

All you GW1 hardcore players got rewarded already. In GW1 and in GW2. Adding to it at expense of GW2 players is a disgrace.

You’re entitled to your 500 pts for playing GW1 (on top of all the other rewards you already got)? WIll I get fully unlocked and geared account in GW1 if I go to play there? ‘Cos you know, I’m loyal and very supporting GW2 player, so I should be rewarded in GW1 for it, right?

I want you to go try and get 50/50. I bet you wouldn’t make it to 10 points (and you get three for even having an account make it to the HoM in-game). Maybe then you’ll have some appreciation for what it took those players to get it.

Well said Goldenwing. And yeah before all the tears started flowing about this I had no idea there even was a leaderboard. Seems pointless to me and this QQfest just reinforces that thought.

Curuglas.1847:

For a competitive leaderboard only those things you achieved in the current game should be taken into account. Thus if the competition is no longer a question of this game, there is little point continuing.

If something this arbitrary would cause you to quit the game then really good riddance. And I’m sorry but I can’t just help but laugh when you say things like “Competitive leaderboard” based on achievement points. Lol.

And once again, if the players got bumped ahead of you because they put more work than you into something, I see no problem. They still had 20 more points than you would have had anyway. It’s just more noticeable now that it’s 500 and not 20.

Achievements are infinite. Work harder and earn your keep or go play your other game that you’re gonna play. Nobody likes a whiner, but people like quitters even less. So go ahead and quit since whatever Anet does next to satisfy anybody but you, I bet you’ll threaten to quit again.

Zero Tolerance.1539:

maddoctor.2738:

No I can’t. If you want to be in top100 or higher 20 and 500 is exactly the same, gives an advantage to some players, why there were no complaints back then? Nobody ever cared about it and now that the number increased there is rage all over.

Look, then you’ll have to trust me on that. There’s a far bigger chance of catching up to the guy with 20pt difference, compared to 500. Take my word for it.

Even if someone was bumped ahead of you in these leaderboards, that just means he worked harder than you. I still fail to see the point.

maddoctor.2738:

Mkalafut.1273:

maddoctor.2738:

Mkalafut.1273:

These leaderboards cause nothing but elitism and divide the community. I think with a game so focused on player cooperation, this leaderboard thing goes against every idea of players trying to do what’s best for each other and really means “What can I do for MYSELF To get up one more rank?”

Defeats the purpose. I think it should go.

Honestly, I haven’t seen ANY indication that the Leaderboards divide the community or cause elitisism. For example, Mesmers are still porting people around in Jumping Puzzles, if people were taking the Leaderboards so seriously and wanted to keep their place, Mesmers would’ve stopped porting people around (a “good” start towards elitisism)

Sorry, I don’t see it. The game is still exactly the same, with or without leaderboards.

So that’s why there’s 3 threads of people whining that GW1 players got something they didn’t get? Right.

Threads on the forums don’t reflect in any way or form what is going on in the actual game. How is having some whine threads makes you conclude that the game is full of elitisism is beyond me. If anything, those who act like elitists are those who want the Leaderboards to GO, not the other way around.

So because I want a [useless] cause of drama to go away, I am suddenly elitist? I don’t have 10k+ achievements – I am in no way an elitist. Just because I don’t want to see my 8000 hours of GW1 efforts go to waste and Anet decided to reward me and you disagree, does not make me suddenly elitist.

Blackwyn.8127:

This is ridiculous….

…..Some of the mentality from the people here are disgusting as it’s only greed and so far no one has actually provided a reasonable counterargument as to why it isn’t.

I agree. I’ve been reading the 3 related threads to this topic for the better part of a few hours while I play and it really is disgusting how greedy you people are to try and take achievements away from others.

maddoctor.2738:

Mkalafut.1273:

These leaderboards cause nothing but elitism and divide the community. I think with a game so focused on player cooperation, this leaderboard thing goes against every idea of players trying to do what’s best for each other and really means “What can I do for MYSELF To get up one more rank?”

Defeats the purpose. I think it should go.

Honestly, I haven’t seen ANY indication that the Leaderboards divide the community or cause elitisism. For example, Mesmers are still porting people around in Jumping Puzzles, if people were taking the Leaderboards so seriously and wanted to keep their place, Mesmers would’ve stopped porting people around (a “good” start towards elitisism)

Sorry, I don’t see it. The game is still exactly the same, with or without leaderboards.

So that’s why there’s 3 threads of people whining that GW1 players got something they didn’t get? Right.

Somafied.5319:

i dont really care if they remove it as well. however you detract from the point. That this is not about GW1 and GW2 or GWAMM. the point is that this boost accomplishes nothing significantly good as you have pointed out the points are like ‘whose line is it anyway?’ – insignificant.

It is not about the points but people place in the leaderboard which people felt was significant. And not everybody wants to play on that, i didn’t for many games, but decided to for this. If you are not aware being in the top 1000 position is a commitment.

i am annoyed with this move because it does not make sense. i do not have any issue with gw1 players and people who are happy with this. to an extent, i agree with u guys and the above posts to the effect that if they are going to give and remove points at their whim, they MIGHT AS WELL remove the leaderboard.

I appreciate you being able to see both sides and I am sorry that this has caused you some frustration. I am a GW1 vet put over 8000 hours into that game. I have only 7000 achievement points in GW2 – do my dailies every day and am generally an achievement hunter in most games but with graduation from college comes an actual job. Not as much playing time as I used to have.

That being said, for me it means an extra free tier of rewards in a few weeks once I catch up to that benchmark. For others, it may mean the difference of spot 1 and spot 4. The way I see it though, if that player dedicated tons of time to get to rank (top 10) and then was boosted up and bumped others down, he not only spent tons of time in GW1 to earn 50 points (or enough to move up) but he ALSO spent tons of time in GW2 earning achievements that put him past others in the first place.

These leaderboards cause nothing but elitism and divide the community. I think with a game so focused on player cooperation, this leaderboard thing goes against every idea of players trying to do what’s best for each other and really means “What can I do for MYSELF To get up one more rank?”

Defeats the purpose. I think it should go.

goldenwing.8473:

I have no problem with ANet rewarding their loyal customers.

The reward is not unreasonable.

I played GW1 for 2 weeks and have respect for those who stuck with it for so long. Take that anyway you want.

Props to you. Care to share your thoughts in the other threads?
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Survey-Remove-Achievement-Leaderboards/first#post2382384
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/500-AP-for-GW1-Hall-of-Monuments-Intended/page/2#post2382387

Janzert.2507:

Mkalafut.1273:

Achievement points in GW2 are infinite.. you can earn infinite achievement points with daily and monthly rewards. 500 points in the long term is no significant factor. In fact I bet by the time I even see my final set of rewards (7000 at the time of this posting) you will probably have 500 more achievement points to compensate for this.

Yes, dailies and monthlies are inflating the AP pool by about 19 points a day. So all the gw1 players can take a break for the month of February.

And really? You think 1g is an advantage? Spend 10m and run CoF P1 and there – even play field again.

As an established player 1 or 2 gold is not quite insignificant but no not a game advantage. As a beginner though I clearly remember 2 gold being quite significant (e.g. my first character was into his 70’s before I could buy the 2g lvl 60 training manual).

The people complaining about this have over 10,000 achievement points. I doubt they are going to lose sleep over 1g. That’s who the comment was aimed towards.

Fernling.1729:

I’m inclined to believe a very small amount of people actually have a problem with it. Like everything, people will complain. I think it would be worse if they removed them now.
Besides, anet wants people to want more achievement points. It keeps them logging in everyday.

Exactly. The people who REALLY want the achievements will either buy or go back to GW1 every now and then – which isn’t a bad thing. Not to mention the community outcry on the forums opposed to this is so small (really there’s only 10 people or so who have said that they’re opposed) that it won’t be enough to cause a reaction.

On my server I showed people this thread and so many people outright laughed at some of the people commenting here. A lot of people who I told this to on my server were confused as to why this would make people mad. Most of the higher tiered players (On the leaderboards that some of these people hold as the be all end all) on my server that I talked to saw it as a challenge to do better and work harder at getting their spot back.

Either way this affects nothing and it’s all about people being greedy for a useless spot on a useless leaderboard and trying to take achievements away from others.

If Anet didn’t want the achievements to matter they wouldn’t have included the HoM category in GW2 since beta.

Again Deimos Tel Arin, I support your (and likely others’) idea to remove the leaderboard entirely.

Somafied.5319:

Mkalafut. Since you obviously do not care. and were not in the top thousand to begin with. I do not expect you to know how i feel. however because you do not care, please do not forget that there are other people who do.

the point that I was trying to make is not about GW1 players receiving a bonus for their hours of gameplay. But the fact that they can receive a bonus that does not negatively impact other players. i can respect that you do not consider this a negative impact. but the point i am trying to make is that they can make one group of people happy without stepping on the toes of another group.

the point that I’m trying to make is that i think this idea to reward and encourage loyalty is LAZY and possibly counter productive.

because they obviously upset people who care, and it seems people who were rewarded like mkalafut feel it is an insignificant reward.

my other point is that I feel in the large scale this accomplishes nothing but evens the boards between NA and EU.

Ok once again. Less than I’d say 10% of all GW1 players even got 50/50. I did, and I still only have 7,000 achievement points. I play this game to have fun and PvE / WvW – not to get as many useless numbers next to my name as possible.

It’s an achievement category in the game. If you want to get them, get them – but don’t cry that others have them and you refuse to get them. I’d be curious to see how many people actually got boosted up substantially from just HoM. Because, once again, not a lot got 50/50 – most stopped at 30 or less.

And again, again, again, more than just HoM points were increased for this patch. So while you can cry all you want at the GW1 players, there are many more factors that went into someone getting a spot higher than you on the useless leaderboard.

Funniest thing is that if Anet decided to remove the leaderboard tomorrow, none of you would be trying to take hard earned achievements away from others. Funny how that works, isn’t it?

Janzert.2507:

Mkalafut.1273:

Achievement points don’t have an effect on the game.

Since ANet has chosen to make the leaderboard based on AP they in some ways, and for many players, have made them the most important measure from the game.

Ok so my statement doesn’t change. Having a leaderboard (one that awards nothing but kitten, by the way) has no effect on the game.

Janzert.2507:

From what I recall Anet saying pre-launch and what the gw1 wiki still says “The bonuses are not intended to confer a significant advantage for original Guild Wars players over those new to the Guild Wars games”.

With this change it effectively gives gw1 players an instant 2 gold, 1% magic find and all the other rewards from the first 2 ap chests. But more importantly to me a permanent 500 point advantage on the leaderboards which for most of the leaderboard is well over 100 ranks difference. It just gives too much weight to something that is a separate activity from gw2.

Achievement points in GW2 are infinite.. you can earn infinite achievement points with daily and monthly rewards. 500 points in the long term is no significant factor. In fact I bet by the time I even see my final set of rewards (7000 at the time of this posting) you will probably have 500 more achievement points to compensate for this.

And really? You think 1g is an advantage? Spend 10m and run CoF P1 and there – even play field again.

Blackwyn.8127:

This is ridiculous. I’m all for rewarding cosmetic items and non game affecting items as a long time player. You’re already getting cool weapon skins, when I first saw the sword and dagger skins I wanted them so badly. Just to find out they were exclusive items to those who played EotN which is perfectly fine. Not to mention you get the best game titles in the game currently available which is also fine. Exclusive pets, sure why not.

But getting something that directly impacts the game which has no relation with GW2 to begin with it is NOT ok. It’s two completely different games, mmos on top of it and they should not give any direct game impacting rewards with each other.
You guys bought the game because it looked like fun and you wanted to enjoy it. You didn’t buy it to ‘support’ Anet and being a ‘loyal’ player. You’ve played the game and enjoyed it. Just as I bought GW2 because it looked awesome and wanted to play it. I didn’t buy GW2 because I wanted to support Anet nor because I was a ‘loyal’ player that has played the previous titles so I had to buy GW2. So the whole loyalty argument some are putting up is just due to greed as it is unreasonable.

What’s next? Being able to convert your GW1 money to GW2? Or maybe transfer your characters from GW1 to GW2 and make them instant level 80s?
Or rewarding forum users for being ‘loyal’ for providing feedback and discussions, so every 1000 posts will give you 1000 achievement points. Or how about the ‘loyal’ gemstore spender? Every 500$ you spend, you’ll get 5000 achievement points for being loyal to the game.

No, some of the mentality from the people here are disgusting as it’s only greed and so far no one has actually provided a reasonable counterargument as to why it isn’t.

Read my previous post. Achievement points don’t have an effect on the game. Speaking of greed, you’re talking about taking away 1000s of hours of players efforts because you got bumped down a few slots on a useless leaderboard. Get the kitten over yourself.

And since you likely won’t read my previous post, again I will say – it’s an achievement category in the GW2 achievements interface. Why is that specific section suddenly not valid according to you – whereas the last 7 months it was fine? ArenaNet decided to reward loyal players who put time and effort into GW1. It’s been like this since BETA. Learn to deal with it.

I’ve played GW2 since closed beta, GW1 since launch day. I in no way feel shunned by other players having more achievement points than I do (7k by the way).

I’m not sure what the problem is. It’s an achievement category in GW2. Just because you didn’t play GW1 doesn’t mean the HoM category in the GW2 achievement list suddenly doesn’t exist.

If you want the achievements that bad, buy the game and spend a couple thousand hours getting the 50/50..

AGAIN NOT TO MENTION
A VERY SMALL percentage of all GW1 players actually went all the way to 50/50… Most didn’t even make it to 30, let alone 50. Stop complaining.