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I surely did NOT ask to be merged with kittening T1
Who the kitten’s genius idea was this?
Obviously, ANET hates AR.
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It will be an adjustment no doubt, but hopefully overtime, it will become easier for groups to find it easier to engage in their preferred play style. I have to stay it was nice seeing action everywhere. In terms of server identity, I think it will just have to be a tradeoff, might frustrate some, but it might be good for wvw overall because it means for action and people on maps. So we will see what adjustments and improvements will be made. But there is definitely an excitement in the air, this has really shaken things up, and wvw needed something like this even if it has been/will be a little bumpy at first while we adjust.
Excellent post. Completely agree.
Pros:
Much more activity in wvw, again. Great to see!
Activity across all the maps, most of the time.
Interesting to see so many different people and playstyles in wvw, now.
Actual defenses happening a lot. This had been gone for awhile on Kaineng, as there weren’t enough in wvw to mount effective defenses, or you would just sit there forever waiting for someone, anyone, to attack. Or, it would be 5-6 defenders against a zerg of 20-40……that wasn’t any fun, either.
Cons:
Ques. I don’t think these are really that big of a deal for those wvw’ers that have experienced ques before. However, can be a real shock for some lower tiered players who expect to get into wvw whenever they want with no wait. I think these ques will continue to diminish in the coming weeks, and people will get more used to encountering ques on certain nights.
Server identity. I don’t think this is that big of a deal, as the lower tiered servers were already losing their server identities in wvw because most of the main wvw guilds had already moved onto higher tiered servers. Hard to have much of a server identity, when there is not much action in wvw, and most of your server wvw crowd has moved on. (I know this was happening with Kaineng)
Reward tracks need to improve. Right now, they move at a snail’s pace, and that needs to improve. But, it is great to have those reward tracks in wvw, finally. I hated having to pvp for those tracks.
As more people get used to this new form of wvw, I think the communication channels will continue to improve. People not used to it will become more familiar with TS and how it is an extremely effective tool in wvw, when used correctly. Coordination will become better on TS as the higher tiered servers incorporate their new allies/buddies.
And, inevitably, with the larger populations in wvw…..the chance of encountering jerks will get higher. Learn to grow a thicker skin, or ignore, or use the block feature. Most people out there are actually fairly nice most of the time. Don’t let a few idiots here and there ruin it for ya.
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Well if people don’t like the queue for EBG the go to another map there are plenty of fights on the DBL and for the IoJ people it has been great running with you all
Completely agree! The fights/action in the borderlands has been great! And it has been that way on both my accounts….one on FA, and one on Kaineng. Great action and fun, and wonderful to not see ghost towns in the bls anymore!!!!
if everyone had to wait 5 hours , everyone will quit gw2 lol
the people who complain about us complaining , don’t understand this ,
not all ppl play 10 hours a day , some people work and come home , play and hour or so , if anet made this game for everyone ,
suggestion , put some low server back for people who are casual players
Noone has to wait 5 hours. Not even during the wvw tournament on T1 & T2 awhile back. And those ques were much larger than the ones back on Friday reset.
And amazing how you conveniently ignore the comments coming from those of us who also have jobs and lives outside of the game. Casual players who play for an hour or two in the evenings, if that. And I am still getting into wvw in nothing more than 20 minutes, if even that. And that is playing on Kaineng grouped with TC, a T2 server.
Sure, if you insist on trying to play nothing but EB, you might have a bit longer wait. But there is all sorts of action happening across the borderlands, which most of the time don’t even have ques, or very small ones. Tower defense, tower raids, havoc squads, roaming, etc…..it is all there, too, in the borderlands.
But if you insist on whining just to whine, then expect most people to not give your posts much validity or strength.
Carry on, while I enjoy wvw on my T8 server.
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people who play 10 hours are day are happy to wait 2 hours lol
not all ppl play 10 hours a day , some of us work and come home wanted to enjoy an hour . but that is NOT going to happen anymore
I play an average of 15 minutes – 2 hours most every evening. Maybe a bit more on weekends sometimes. I am a very casual player with a life outside the game(family, job, etc)
Yea, reset night was ridiculous(it always is on large pop servers, especially after the new patch) But yesterday evening, I had no trouble getting into a couple of different servers in wvw. Think I maybe waited 20 minutes tops on one, which was fine, as I used that time to clear out my bank and organize some in game stuff.
And WvW was fun as heck, because it wasn’t a ghost town. I was getting tired of that on my T8 server.
I really like the numbers that this patch has brought back to WvW….makes it really fun, again!!!!
I bet when you try to get on Tuesday or Wednesday evening, you won’t have a que at all, or maybe a short one.
Finally, a logical thread on this all.
There seems to be a lot of confusion regarding queues. Heres the thing, queues have always been a part of wvw. I remember when queues were a daily thing on most maps, queues themselves are not new. The issue is people are afraid of seeing an enourmous queue becoming a regular occurrence especially on reset night which is important for many. This is especially worrisome to those who run in guilds and will find themselves confined to one map unable to float to help groups in another map because many will get stuck in a queue.
Queues can be an indicator of a healthy wvw yes, but having to much of it will bore and frustrate people and turn them off of wvw. There are many people who have left their servers because of queues. We dont need people leaving the game because of queues now that there is no lower tier to escape to.
People keep saying oh the queues will die down and I just keep wanting go /facepalm because this is just such a narrow minded view…one the one hand your saying queues mean wvw is healthy then your saying oh it will die down soon…well dont you think there is a problem then? It means people people are frustrated and bored with waiting. Queues are important yes because maps can only handle so many people, but who wants to stand around on one toon waiting so long to play and hope they dont dc or have to start all over again. It should not be there to deter and discourage people from being able to play wvw.
I find this post confusing. On the one hand, you say that smaller ques are a healthy indicator for wvw, whereas huge ques can be a detriment. (I agree)
But then you go on to say that you /facepalm at those people and their ‘narrow’ viewpoint saying this will change in the coming weeks???
(scratching my head)
Let me put something to you, XTD. As I said in a previous post, I will be the first one to agree with you if there is still this problem in 2-3 weeks. Might I request, that you also agree with my ‘narrow viewpoint’ if the ques come down to manageable sizes and change for the better in the next 2-3 weeks??
:)
I don’t think you understand what has been happening… Many of us having been trying to bring players back to the game and have them give Anet a second chance. If the queues die down in a couple of weeks, that means ALL THOSE PLAYERS JUST LEFT AGAIN. They have to solve it now, in a couple of weeks the players will have left. They only have a small window to prevent players from giving up on them again. If Anet fulfills their expectations it hopefully will not die down, instead, those players will keep playing. If the queues die down, that means the game is just further declining.. that is not good to make the game die faster.
Thanks for now telling me how I don’t ‘understand’ the problem. Do the personal attacks come next?
I have been in this game since a month after release. I have been on Tier 8, Tier 1, Tier 2, and Tier 4.
I have experienced ques far worse than what we saw last night. I know, personally know how frustrating they can be.
But I am sorry, your ‘logic’ does not make any sense. You hate large ques, yet, now, you’re saying that if the ques diminish, that means the game is dying, people are leaving……and not that Anet is fixing this current problem???
Guess it is a win/win no matter what happens to your current argument. Ques get big, you’re right. Ques diminish to reasonable sizes, you’re right. Anet fixes it NOW, and it happens to not be to whatever liking/disliking you may or may not have, you’re right.
Might I suggest that you take your own advice on ‘understanding’ the problem, and quit arguing just for the sake of argument.
And if it helps…….
“YUP, oh boy, are you ever correct!!!!”
There, feel better?
Not even 2 hours into the ‘beta’ test of wvw merges. Some of you are just so silly.
When you go from a server that never gets Q’s on reset to being rammed with a 100+ Q you should understand why people are upset.
Yup, been there done that when I transferred to T1 a year ago for a few weeks. It takes getting used to. At the same time, we’re only a few hours into this ‘beta’…..it’ll change.
re: Just go into another gane mode. – First off, I don’t want to be forced to do what I don’t want to do. Second, (and I think this would be important to everyone) I don’t want players in a game mode, who don’t want to be there.
I only play PvE. And I only want players there who are engaged, and want to participate. People who enjoy PvE. I don’t want players there, who feel like they have to be there, because they’re working towards something which is (unfairly) restricted to PvE. This goes beyond dailies. There are other things unfairly restricted to certain game modes.
Why would anyone want players in a game mode that don’t want to be there, and are just there to cheese dailies/get some special item, etc… I would think that this would be especially crucial for PvP and WvW, where players always need to be engaged and participating. Not resenting every second they’re in there and wishing they were in another mode the whole time. I would think that would bring the whole game mode down. Who would want their preferred game mode brought down by people who don’t want to be there?re: WvW is composed of both PvE and PvP. – That’s like saying “Martinis have olives. You like olives, so why don’t you drink martinis?”
To which I reply:
“Pass me that jar of olives, but keep the booze.(and whatever else is in a martini)”But it’s more than that. While I’m in there, I count as a member of my team, but I’m not contributing – I’m just there to cheese dailies. This makes me being there a negative for my team. Why would anyone want that for their game mode?(unwilling non-participants, pulling their team down)
Man, that sounds like one serious gaming attitude. And yea, I do realize those types of attitudes exist in gamers. More power to ya.
But what also exists in game are people with my sort of attitude…..“just having fun”. I don’t care if a member of my team, boss battle, wvw party, pvp party, whatever, is super focused and paying attention every second they’re there. As long as they’re having fun. If my team gets “pulled down” because everyone is laughing too hard in TS, and we blow it on an event, mission, wvw or pvp battle, etc……so what? At least everyone was having fun and laughing/smiling a lot. It is just a game. The ‘fun’ part is what is most important to me. (and quite a few other players that I know)
There have been lots of times when I have been in a game mode that I didn’t enjoy, usually because I wasn’t very familiar with that mode. Fortunately for me, there has always been someone in the party that has been willing to give me a chance and talk me through it, rather than just blowing me off because I might not be focused/serious enough.
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@ Chou – What the OP is asking for is more choices, so that dailies aren’t such a chore.
Dailies are a chore? When did this happen?
Hint: if they’re too much of a bother on that certain day, then don’t do them. (I do this all the time, depending on how I am feeling and how my work day went). It is not like you’re going to lose anything crucial if you don’t do the daily.
Welcome back! I am super excited about the reset this weekend, too!!!
So you WANT to PvE, but you don’t want to do 2/4 PvE Dailies? So instead doing PvE as you so dearly want, you just make a post on how the dailies don’t fit your needs.
Yes.
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You do realize that there are thousands of other players in the game, yes? Each with their own play styles and such. If Anet just made the dailies to suit you, the game would not exist, as only you would be playing it.
Not much money to be made in that.
I believe the WvW linking was announced as being a sort of ‘beta’, so I imagine it will all be rough at first, with tweak after tweak after tweak, as is the SOP for ‘betas’.
Imo, it sounds to me like Anet isn’t real sure how it will all flesh out…..but I think it all has the possibility to be very exciting, if players are just patient with all the problems that will pop up during this ‘beta’.