Guild Wars 2

I quit reading the OP’s post after he/she stated they had 3 lvl 80s in 2 months time, and then stated they hated the “grindfest”.

Seriously???? 3 lvl 80s in less than 2 months and you think it is a grind?

LMAO!!!!!!

So far, with the few times I have ecto gambled, I have pretty much broken even on gold and a bit ahead on ecto. However, I am pretty cautious at it, and don’t spend a ton of time with it……if I am losing quickly and consistently, I will back off and come back another time to it. And I have never tried buying the most expensive one….I always go with the middle or least expensive one.

Also, my main has always had horrid rng……part of the reason I am so cautious….I probably need to try it with one of my other characters.

Noone forced you to spend gold on new armor…..you could maybe just have patience as the patch gets adjusted over the next few weeks, and/or, as others have suggested, tried out different builds in PvP to see what worked and what didn’t.

Lots of players are also having to deal/adapt to the new patch. Happens with every major patch.

That’s where the patience attribute comes in handy.

Best of luck!

NoTrigger.8396:

thats pretty much all i have to say.

Obviously, you didn’t mean anything close to that.

Kormeg.2469:

imsoenthused.1634:

My main concern is that Anet’s idea of “more difficult” seems to be 200% health, which is frankly just a more boring version of what we have now.

Right? Just because it takes long doesn’t mean it’s a ‘hard’ fight. I think the idea they have of their player base it that everyone deserves to be rewarded if they spend X amount of time playing, instead of being rewarded based on merit or accomplishments.

The problem with that, though, is if that happened in game, it would reopen kill stealing, camping, bad attitudes, etc., that are inherent in older mmos. Despite some weaknesses with the idea, I really like GW2’s way of how people are rewarded with fights and such……doesn’t hurt anyone’s rewards, and doesn’t let kill stealing and such creep into the game.

I mean, how would you reward people based purely on merit and/or accomplishments, without some of those older mmo problems reappearing in this game?

Or are you talking more about there being better rewards for players that have got certain titles, ap accomplishments, wvw stuff, pvp, etc?

Kormeg.2469:

The fact that the OP needs to keep reiterating what his post is actually about speaks volumes about how the MMO community as a whole is used to hearing the same arguments and stances over and over and over…..

It’s not hardcore vs. causal… (those are largely time commitments honestly).
What I’m getting (and I guess @Teon now too), is the game LARGELY lacks any difficult content – casual or Hardcore aside.

My favourite content addition in the game to date was the launch of the Original Aetherblade dungeon in season one. Dat kitten was CHALLENGING. And it caused such an uproar because ppl didn’t like the fact that they had to TRY. The dungeon wasn’t a matter of how much time should be expected to put into it, but instead how much effort or skill you had. And as time went on, runs became faster and easier as more ppl LEARNED and got BETTER. For a game where it shows up so much in pvp, pve does very little to test skill.

It was hard and I died a lot. But it felt AWESOME when you beat it.
GW2 needs more of that is what I think OP is saying

And maybe we’ll get something like that with HoT. The last few weeks, I have been taking a break from the game(except dailies), and it is mainly due to lack of interest/challenging content.

I certainly do understand the OP’s point……just got caught up in the hardcore/casual argument that was going on.

MauricioCezar.2673:

Ah, sorry then. This trhead got so controversy that I don’t know anymore what who is talking about what ^^

Yea, that happens here a lot….lol.

You’ve got a good point on the ease of the original PS and such. But, as I said…..I have seen that before with older mmos. Older sections of the game get neglected as new sections and updates demand most of the extensive dev work.

Anet may not have the time and/or resources to change the older parts of the game. I imagine that HoT and the newer patches are their highest priority.

The older sections of the game become way too easy, due mainly to familiarity, advances in classes due to newer patches, etc. It might just require too much work to update those older sections of the story.

One idea I have seen on that, and it does work, to an extent……is you go though the older PS and earlier parts of the game with an entirely strange build…..no meta…..just some odd build that makes you have to work harder. I used to do that with older mmos, and it made the older sections of the game a lot more fun/challenging.

Yea, I understand your comment about PS. I was responding more to the comments about hardcore/casual in this thread. I agree that the PS is too easy, but I feel that comes more from age and familiarity with the PS. With the new trait system, the PS has become a bit outdated……the npcs could be harder. But I still find that the additional chapters of the longer life story(or whatever they call those added 8 chapters) is somewhat difficult at times.

I am hoping HoT will fix some of the super easy nature of the game. Although I don’t know if that will happen. Some of the older mmos I used to play….the more original content of the game(initial leveling and such) just stayed in place as the higher parts of the game advanced and added interesting and tougher higher end content. When I would go back to those portions of the game with a new character, for instance…..those older sections of the game were far too easy and mind numbing…..due mainly to my familiarity and advances in class abilities and such.

There might not be any way around that for GW2. /shrug

I remember the days of the older mmos…..with their mindless grinding, and difficult, time consuming missions, absurd death penalties, and such, that only the really hardcore could enjoy and reap the real benefits of such difficult content. Casuals used to holler and yell on forums for games that weren’t such vast and ridiculous time sinks.

It is fun to see that the tables have finally turned….and hard cores are now the ‘niche’ crowd, and casuals are the ones being catered to by some games. While I feel that some of the content is too easy and could be ramped up slightly……(I think HoT will do some in that area)…..it is good to see the shoe on the other foot, and I chuckle at the hard cores now having to deal with games that are now catering to the larger, and therefore, more $$$$$ casual crowd that have lives outside of mmos.

Funny thing is, there are still plenty of games out there that do still cater to the hard cores.(Eve Online comes to mind) Personally, I love seeing GW2 as a truly casual game, even if some of the content may be a bit too easy for vets.

I have come to the conclusion that the people asking for bans on these issues are the completely clueless ones.

Have some patience(I know, what a novel idea)…….Anet will eventually fix/adjust/nerf these issues…..it just won’t be on your time schedule.

Dominus.4153:

I was really just joking because the class hasn’t been released yet. I just thought every class could use a too strong post.

Humor is a very foreign thing to many on this forum.

I enjoyed it.

Laraley.7695:

Teon.5168:

style.6173:

Terrorsquad.4802:

Please ban every engi exploiting this in competitive pvp.

Look, this guy is making the rules for PvP now.

ANET has been patching everything they consider a bug. We will soon see if it is actually a bug or working as intended.

^this

And you two would be completely fine with a skill that one shots everything staying in game? Especially when the engi can just pull you from stealth? This is ridiculous and if this is intended, I am amazed people still want to play this game.

I don’t care if it’s a bug or exploit or whatever, I just want it to be fixed. Nothing skilled or fun about this.

Nope, I wouldn’t be fine with it. Point is, Anet hasn’t had much time to deal with it yet, especially with a lot of the other op builds that are going on. Anet even put out a post on these forums stating that they knew that there were issues with the patch.

I have confidence and patience that this and other over the top stuff resulting from this patch will be adjusted/fixed.

ronpierce.2760:

Teon.5168:

Terrorsquad.4802:

Laceration.4290:

Terrorsquad.4802:

Please ban every engi exploiting this in competitive pvp.

I’ve been running zerker engi for a loooooong time cos I find cele boring.

And now cos ANet broke made barrage I should either be forced to play some condi cancer or be banned?

Again, read my comments.

The fact you throw nades BEHIND the target, which an Engi normally never does to hit his target, to make use of this damage (which in the trait is not said you need aim BEHIND the target for more damage) is just playing UNFAIR. Which is, by Anets rules, not allowed and bannable.

Exploiting this is more cancer than condi-specs, really.

Good luck spending all your time ingame reporting what you think are ‘exploits’.

I imagine that even after Anet fixes/tones down this engi bug, that you’ll still be reporting it, or something else, as an exploit.

That should make for a really fun game for you. Enjoy.

Why are you attacking someone over being upset that there is a legit bug nearly doubling a skill’s damage causing mass amounts of 1 shots (which is possible to be done by stealth, no less)?? Why are you even being toxic? It IS annoying to be in matches when people take advantage of cheap bugs… Shouldn’t be hard to sympathize… Unless you’re abusing it yourself and you think you’re good because of it… Please don’t be that person.

Good grief, calm down. I haven’t even played the game more than 2 hours since the patch came out. And that 2 hours was spent exploring the new LA. I saw a video about the engi ‘bug’ and thought it was hilarious, that’s all.

My ‘attack’, as you call it, is just me being sarcastic with some self important whiner who thinks he knows best how to run a game. For all we know, this might not be a bug…it might be working as intended.

In any case, Anet will most likely fix it or adjust it. It is not some game breaking ‘exploit’ as some of these teenaged teeth gnashers seem to think. The patch has hardly been out for any length of time……Anet, I am sure, is gathering all sorts of feedback on this and other overpowered stuff. I have been hearing/reading about tons of stuff with necros melting others in pvp, mezmers going nuts, fire builds over the top….etc…..etc….etc.

It is all because a major patch, that screwed with the builds/traits, JUST CAME OUT.

Be rational and deal with it. Put in rational, constructive, and helpful feedback to Anet about it, rather than just screaming “EXPLOIT! BAN THEM ALL!!!”

If it is game breaking for you, then don’t play for a bit. Let Anet work their way through the problems and adjust them. Crying like a little child that has just had their favorite toy taken away from them isn’t going to solve anything.

So in answer to your question, nope, I have not played my mesmer, engi, ele, or other op build beast. I have been running around in LA on my ranger marvelling at the new artwork, watching hilarious videos of the op builds on youtube, and laughing at the ridiculously spoiled brats whining on these silly forums.

Fight well, cheers, and ENJOY the game!

And don’t take the game so darned seriously…..try and maintain a sense of humor about it all……ESPECIALLY after major patches.

style.6173:

Terrorsquad.4802:

Please ban every engi exploiting this in competitive pvp.

Look, this guy is making the rules for PvP now.

ANET has been patching everything they consider a bug. We will soon see if it is actually a bug or working as intended.

^this

Terrorsquad.4802:

Laceration.4290:

Terrorsquad.4802:

Please ban every engi exploiting this in competitive pvp.

I’ve been running zerker engi for a loooooong time cos I find cele boring.

And now cos ANet broke made barrage I should either be forced to play some condi cancer or be banned?

Again, read my comments.

The fact you throw nades BEHIND the target, which an Engi normally never does to hit his target, to make use of this damage (which in the trait is not said you need aim BEHIND the target for more damage) is just playing UNFAIR. Which is, by Anets rules, not allowed and bannable.

Exploiting this is more cancer than condi-specs, really.

Good luck spending all your time ingame reporting what you think are ‘exploits’.

I imagine that even after Anet fixes/tones down this engi bug, that you’ll still be reporting it, or something else, as an exploit.

That should make for a really fun game for you. Enjoy.

Shaogin.2679:

Terrorsquad.4802:

Laraley.7695:

Terrorsquad.4802:

Laraley.7695:

Entenkommando.5208:

Do you know the term “exploit” ?
Since you are using this bug to get an unfair advantage over other players it would definitly be a reason to be punished for, if you are using it excessively.

I don’t really play engi, but what I understand from this thread is the fact you just use a trait to get that high damage. How is that an exploit?

Because there’s a certain way of gaining the advantage. If u saw the video, u see u need to throw the nades behind the target, which, Engineers normally never do. So they purposely aim behind the target to one-shot.

Thats knowingly exploiting a bug.

I get that, but again, it’s not the players’ fault it’s still in game.

An exploit will always be in a game; its the player’s choice to abuse them or not.

It’s like blaming the shopkeeper for you stealing his candy because the candy was there..

It’s player’s choice, really. They can play it fair or be non-competitive and cheat.
Those can be banned for couple of weeks, imo.

That is hardly an accurate comparison. There is no reason to ban them. If Anet accidentally buffed Ranger Longbow # 2 to one shot people. Should Rangers just stop playing Longbow until Anet finally gets around to fixing it god knows how long from now? No. Anet messed up a trait. That trait, aside from being bugged, is the best trait for a grenade build. Engineers are playing as they always have, there is no hacking or secret exploit involved. Sure there are many Engineers are taking advantage of it, but it is entirely Anet’s fault, not the Engineer’s.

Point being, they will never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ban some players just cause you got your feelings hurt in hotjoin.

+100

So, Terror…..I assume that everytime you see this done, you’re going to be submitting an exploit report?

Zunami.8560:

Its a bug and technical anything considered overpowered at the moment that is used to its full extent is an exploit.

Considering the Devs already put out a post pointing out numerous things that they consider OP at the moment. Anyone using anything on that page to its full extent is “knowingly” exploiting. Which would probably be the majority of us.

That said, I wouldn’t have known anything about this bug if I didn’t run into a full premade of zerk engineers immobilizing and using the one skill.

That being said, this soon after a major patch, they aren’t going to do anything to ‘exploiters’ or ‘buggers’(lol)……they’re just going to try and fix the bug. I would imagine that lots of people aren’t just using this for pvp and wvw……after watching that youtube video, this would be an incredible farmer spec.

And I want piercing grenade arrows for my ranger….

Sigmoid.7082:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zOWZUywrrg

This is f***ing hilarious!!!!! I am going to get on my engineer tonight and go farm the heck out of somewhere…..lol

It is not generally called an ‘exploit’ when it is right after a major patch being introduced. Major patches always have bugs, and this is just one of them. Give it time….it’ll be fixed. Don’t take pvp so darned seriously and enjoy the craziness until then.

And since some of you do take pvp so seriously, might I recommend not doing any ranked matches until this bug gets fixed. (Unless you’re an engi with grenades….lol)

I know, I know…..“Thanks, Capt. Obvious”

From what I looked at of my characters, the auto-build seems to be a decent starting point. Better than having to completely redo my traits, but it does require a bit of tinkering. No surprise there, as I was expecting to have to tinker some with it, if only to get used to the new system.

Endless Soul.5178:

Thorfinnr Sleggja.1209:

may not be best…but include the one at the top of the new lighthouse in your tour…and then try the dive off the top…have fun!

I agree, the lighthouse. Plus that dive afterwards. There was some serious pucker factor!

I died a horrible, gruesome death on that dive. Just didn’t jump out quite far enough…..missed it by that much!

Same here. Love it!!!

I love the new LA. I think Anet did an absolutely wonderful job on it!!!

Isven.2165:

Kurogami.9210:

Isven.2165:

Astralporing.1957:

Isven.2165:

Voreo Sabrae.5416:

I don’t feel misled, i payed for the Physical C.E at launch and have gotten my moneys worth.

Having a tapeworm also doesn’t hurt.

What one has to do with the other?

GW2 pre-purchase affair apart: you may not feel misled, but the facts will state otherwise.

Which facts?

Please read again what I wrote (mainly, the “apart from the case of GW2HoT pre-purchase affair”). You’ll find your facts there.

That made absolutely no sense whatsoever.

Why do some people feel so self important that they feel the need to say goodbye here? Especially when they’re hard pressed to write a semi-coherent sentence, let alone a paragraph.

So you tried the update for a mere couple hours. So you didn’t like it and are rage quitting. So what? Goodbye already.

“Playing WvW properly”………that joke never gets old.

xbutcherx.3861:

Teon.5168:

My wife and I got the base expansion. Looking forward to it!

Frankly, I am far more concerned with Tuesday’s patch.

And you going to ask for a refund on Wednesday after tomorrow’s mega nerf. =)

Lmao!!! No…..am just concerned about the resulting imbalance issues.

Zoul.1087:

Posting these posts accomplishes nothing honestly.
Do you think someone will read this and find perceived value that wasn’t there before?

Your willingness to pay, does nothing for other people. Your value in the game does not effect anyone else. These posts are very pointless.

Lots of MMOs are f2p and Wow charges a fee. So the value is completely based on people’s perceived value. Which for the money a lot of people don’t think its worth it.

This post might have actually made some sense without your last sentence. That last sentence adds ‘perceived value’ to a supposed argument that states those sorts of posts are pointless.

My wife and I got the base expansion. Looking forward to it!

Frankly, I am far more concerned with Tuesday’s patch.

Beast Sos.1457:

Teon.5168:

Beast Sos.1457:

Teon.5168:

Beast Sos.1457:

Teon.5168:

Beast Sos.1457:

Teon.5168:

Beast Sos.1457:

Skeletor.9360:

Come now 60 dollars is well worth it. After all people were screaming for new content and not bug fixes etc. You have to pay for what you ask for right? The exapnsion is super good if you WvW and PvP.

It’s been 3 years….OF COURSE people are going to be asking for more content. Just because Anet took ages to release new REAL content doesnt mean we should be charged more. WvW and PvP updates are actually going in without the expansion so you dont need it for those.

That is only your opinion. I think there has been plenty of “real” content released since I bought GW2 34 months ago. And I know lots of others who also feel that way.

Only my opinion? I know more than enough people who feel the same way. LS season 1 was a mess, expect the end which I admit was fun,season 2 has some nice boss mechanics but not much content and some QL updates, some for the better and some not so much….almost forgot to mention SW and DT which were fun maps SW more so, but we are talking about 3 years here so that is quite lackluster.

And that is just their opinion, too. Just like the friends that I know who think there has been plenty of new ‘real content’ is just their and my opinion as well.

Please don’t pull some sort of “I am sorely offended” card when someone calls you on stating your opinion and trying to present it as concrete fact.

The phrase “real content” is purely subjective, and the meaning of that phrase varies depending on who you talk to. There is nothing wrong with your opinion……just don’t try to overstate it like it is some sort of well known “fact”, when it is far from that.

Jmo, of course.

When did I state that my claims are concrete facts? Do I really have to say imo on a subject like this. When people talk about content in games there “statements” are always subjective and if you felt that I was stating that my opinion was concrete then thats your fault for reading what you wanted to read and not what I wrote.

Your statement "Only my opinion? I know more than enough people who feel the same way " pretty much confirmed what I was already thinking.

I am not sure how else I could have interpreted that…….but my apologies if that is not what you meant.

Then you saying you and the people you know who think there was a lot of real content added was also you stating a “concrete” fact.

Actually, if you’ll go back and reread my post……I did not say the above…..I said….

“And that is just their opinion, too. Just like the friends that I know who think there has been plenty of new ‘real content’ is just their and my opinion as well.

And I will leave it at that…..we’re both obviously misinterpreting each other to some extent.

Misinterpretations can lead to the dumbest arguments. It would be best to leave it at that. haha

Completely agree. Cheers!

Nilix.2170:

Smitten.3076:

Some of us truly have no idea why not getting a character slot/gems is an issue.

How should I put this?

If you maxed out your character slots to 8 and use all those slots, then you can’t just get another one.

Now, go on a character and type /age. That is the cost of deleting that character. Time. Effort. + however much gold was spent on armor, bag slots, etc. For some, that’s okay. Maybe you didn’t like those classes and just made them as bag mules. For others, that’s very very not okay. And for the ones who that’s very very not okay, that’s probably because they put a lot of time and effort into all of those characters. And you’re telling them that they can’t try out the new content unless they pay
a) the time shown in /age + the gold spent on that character
or
b) $25 extra (which happens to be 2.5x the regular cost of an extra character slot, a price they wouldn’t have to pay if they didn’t already max out their slots)

It’s the kind of thing that is negligible for those who don’t put a lot of time into multiple classes, but punishes the ones who put a lot of time into what can be considered EVERYTHING that’s available to them. And that’s very backwards. Everything about how this is set up benefits the people who play and experiment the least and puts veterans in a bad position.

- New Player: Get original game + get expansion + freedom to choose whatever you want without sacrificing anything else

- Current with one main and some characters you don’t care about: Get expansion. Delete a character or buy an additional slot ($10) if you want to make a revenant.

- Current with maxed slots with multiple characters you actively use: Get expansion. Delete a character or buy higher level product ($25) if you want to make a revenant.

The more you care about what you have, the higher the price gets.

Just curious, but you do realize that the max character slots for an account is 64, not 8.

Samhaim.8956:

Teon.5168:

I know it is pointless as you seem to think that you are absolutely correct with your nonsensical argument, but I would imagine there is a very valid reason why people are ‘missing your point’.

Must be because you have selective reading as you seem to skip everything that i and others write that explains the point across and never gives a reply to it.
So if you’re not gonna reply to the part of the posts that perfectly explains the situation and be a prick about it, its better to just not reply to it at all don’t you think?

Let me be as simple as I can for you. (Sound familiar?)

Seriously, when you bought the game you never thought that having as many slots as classes was a non issue? That you would never ever need to buy new slots for new characters?

If that is so, nice job at alienating an entire segment of the playerbase(those called altoholics) with your argument. They’ll certainly miss your point.

I am an altoholic player, and my first priority, with any mmo, is to take every single class to the max level and have those characters available to play whenever I want. So yea, I bought the original game knowing I would have to buy more slots.

Xgamer’s argument is also invalid. ‘Well, you can just play a character for a certain amount of time to determine whether you like them or not, and then delete them with no huge investment, therefore not having to buy another slot’. That won’t happen with an altoholic player, and since the new trait stuff awhile back, that is now completely impossible to do, as there is no way to find out how a new class plays until you have a very significant investment in that character’s level.

Just because you think your argument is the bees knees for all involved, because it is what you think……does not make it even remotely so for a lot of other people.

Again, not even sure why I am even trying to lay it out for you so simply. I know you will stubbornly disagree and won’t really read anything I have said.

I am dealing with a generational mindset problem here, and it truly is pointless to continue.

I could make more points about your extremely limited way of thinking on this issue, but that will just end up being a few more wasted minutes that I will never get back.

Talking to you about another viewpoint or opinion on this issue is complete waste. If you think that counts for an “I WIN!”…..then knock yourself out.

Sigh, and there go another few minutes I will never get back. You’d think I would learn by now.

Samhaim.8956:

Teon.5168:

That very same argument could be made for the original game. They put 3 characters (challenging content as I haven’t played those classes)that you did not have behind an 800 gem paywall for each one.

“How would you guys felt if they took whatever they have as “challenging content” and put behind a 800 gems paywall? Would you still feel fine over it?"

I have already been there and done that for 3 of my characters……so no, I have no problem with them doing that for the revenant.

Sure, it would have been a neat bonus for the core expansion, but I am most certainly not going to get my panties all in a wad over it.

You need to come up with a better argument that actually makes sense, and then drop the condescending attitude when people disagree with it.

Its hard not to be condescending when people are seriously suggesting character deletion as a valid argument and completely missing the point i’ve been making for a while now.

I know it is pointless as you seem to think that you are absolutely correct with your nonsensical argument, but I would imagine there is a very valid reason why people are ‘missing your point’.

Beast Sos.1457:

Teon.5168:

Beast Sos.1457:

Teon.5168:

Beast Sos.1457:

Teon.5168:

Beast Sos.1457:

Skeletor.9360:

Come now 60 dollars is well worth it. After all people were screaming for new content and not bug fixes etc. You have to pay for what you ask for right? The exapnsion is super good if you WvW and PvP.

It’s been 3 years….OF COURSE people are going to be asking for more content. Just because Anet took ages to release new REAL content doesnt mean we should be charged more. WvW and PvP updates are actually going in without the expansion so you dont need it for those.

That is only your opinion. I think there has been plenty of “real” content released since I bought GW2 34 months ago. And I know lots of others who also feel that way.

Only my opinion? I know more than enough people who feel the same way. LS season 1 was a mess, expect the end which I admit was fun,season 2 has some nice boss mechanics but not much content and some QL updates, some for the better and some not so much….almost forgot to mention SW and DT which were fun maps SW more so, but we are talking about 3 years here so that is quite lackluster.

And that is just their opinion, too. Just like the friends that I know who think there has been plenty of new ‘real content’ is just their and my opinion as well.

Please don’t pull some sort of “I am sorely offended” card when someone calls you on stating your opinion and trying to present it as concrete fact.

The phrase “real content” is purely subjective, and the meaning of that phrase varies depending on who you talk to. There is nothing wrong with your opinion……just don’t try to overstate it like it is some sort of well known “fact”, when it is far from that.

Jmo, of course.

When did I state that my claims are concrete facts? Do I really have to say imo on a subject like this. When people talk about content in games there “statements” are always subjective and if you felt that I was stating that my opinion was concrete then thats your fault for reading what you wanted to read and not what I wrote.

Your statement "Only my opinion? I know more than enough people who feel the same way " pretty much confirmed what I was already thinking.

I am not sure how else I could have interpreted that…….but my apologies if that is not what you meant.

Then you saying you and the people you know who think there was a lot of real content added was also you stating a “concrete” fact.

Actually, if you’ll go back and reread my post……I did not say the above…..I said….

“And that is just their opinion, too. Just like the friends that I know who think there has been plenty of new ‘real content’ is just their and my opinion as well.

And I will leave it at that…..we’re both obviously misinterpreting each other to some extent.

I believe ‘cut bait’ in this context means quit.

Lots of new stuff happening in the patch on Tuesday that will really change a lot of the game. Lion’s Arch, for one is going to be more repaired……that alone would be worth logging in for, even if it was just for a few minutes. Plus there is a new expansion coming down the pipe in a few months.

Great time to start playing again, imo.

And if you still don’t like it, it is not like you don’t already have the game and can’t return at some other point, if you want. Although I would login everyday just for a couple minutes to get the login chests.

When I come back from a break, I will usually concentrate on something I haven’t done a lot of, like map completion, or crafting more, or completing more of the living story,….or playing a character I haven’t played in awhile….trying some new specs….etc.

Best of luck!

phys.7689:

Ohoni.6057:

Then you have the other extreme end. Those that feel their initial $50 was a questionable investment, as they’re having troubles with the game, and not seeing enough change in the direction they want it to go.

I think that anyone who questions whether the initial $60 was a wise investment, they should just leave. I mean that’s just a glutton for punishment, if you don’t believe the initial purchase was worth it and yet are considering dropping another $50. I can just tell those people right now that they won’t be satisfied and I’d rather not hear them whining about it for the next year. Cut bait guys.

its not really a question of the initial investment, its a question of this investment right now.
50 dollars for what anet is selling right now. They already have the game, thats done. The question is what more do they get? what are they buying into in the future.

For a lot of people for various reasons, 50 dollars doesnt look like a good price for what they will get with the purchase of HoT. Or, they dont feel like they should be supporting the franchise as they currently see it at that price.

If that is the way that some people feel…..“what have you done for me lately”….then they should just wait until it releases. Check out what their friends say, what the reviews are like, and then, if they still don’t like it…..

As Ohoni said…….“cut bait”.

Samhaim.8956:

Will you guys ever understand that the base game giving 5 slots for 8 classes has nothing to do with the revenant problem? Pick and Play from 8 available classes and Play as the revenant are different things. Got It? No?

Here i’ll put it as simple as i can:

You buy the core game, you get your 5 slots , as time goes by you eventually fills out the 5 slots with your favorite characters, you deck them out with gem store hairstyles and colors, different equipments and such.
Then a new class gets added on a expansion, and the only way for you to play that content is to delete one your characters, in which you have time and most likely real money invested into or pay up extra money to unlock an additional slot, even though you have already payed for the expansion itself.
How would you guys felt if they took whatever they have as “challenging content” and put behind a 800 gems paywall? Would you still feel fine over it?

That very same argument could be made for the original game. They put 3 characters (challenging content as I haven’t played those classes)that you did not have behind an 800 gem paywall for each one.

“How would you guys felt if they took whatever they have as “challenging content” and put behind a 800 gems paywall? Would you still feel fine over it?"

I have already been there and done that for 3 of my characters……so no, I have no problem with them doing that for the revenant.

Sure, it would have been a neat bonus for the core expansion, but I am most certainly not going to get my panties all in a wad over it.

You need to come up with a better argument that actually makes sense, and then drop the condescending attitude when people disagree with it.

Beast Sos.1457:

Teon.5168:

Beast Sos.1457:

Teon.5168:

Beast Sos.1457:

Skeletor.9360:

Come now 60 dollars is well worth it. After all people were screaming for new content and not bug fixes etc. You have to pay for what you ask for right? The exapnsion is super good if you WvW and PvP.

It’s been 3 years….OF COURSE people are going to be asking for more content. Just because Anet took ages to release new REAL content doesnt mean we should be charged more. WvW and PvP updates are actually going in without the expansion so you dont need it for those.

That is only your opinion. I think there has been plenty of “real” content released since I bought GW2 34 months ago. And I know lots of others who also feel that way.

Only my opinion? I know more than enough people who feel the same way. LS season 1 was a mess, expect the end which I admit was fun,season 2 has some nice boss mechanics but not much content and some QL updates, some for the better and some not so much….almost forgot to mention SW and DT which were fun maps SW more so, but we are talking about 3 years here so that is quite lackluster.

And that is just their opinion, too. Just like the friends that I know who think there has been plenty of new ‘real content’ is just their and my opinion as well.

Please don’t pull some sort of “I am sorely offended” card when someone calls you on stating your opinion and trying to present it as concrete fact.

The phrase “real content” is purely subjective, and the meaning of that phrase varies depending on who you talk to. There is nothing wrong with your opinion……just don’t try to overstate it like it is some sort of well known “fact”, when it is far from that.

Jmo, of course.

When did I state that my claims are concrete facts? Do I really have to say imo on a subject like this. When people talk about content in games there “statements” are always subjective and if you felt that I was stating that my opinion was concrete then thats your fault for reading what you wanted to read and not what I wrote.

Your statement "Only my opinion? I know more than enough people who feel the same way " pretty much confirmed what I was already thinking.

I am not sure how else I could have interpreted that…….but my apologies if that is not what you meant.

Beast Sos.1457:

Maybe maybe not.

Thanks for at least admitting that.

I can’t begin to tell you how many preorders of expansions I have bought for mmos that presented themselves as one thing and ended up being entirely different than what I expected. Expansions are always a crap shoot, imo.

Especially if you preorder one. After they’re released…..not so much.

Beast Sos.1457:

Teon.5168:

Beast Sos.1457:

Skeletor.9360:

Come now 60 dollars is well worth it. After all people were screaming for new content and not bug fixes etc. You have to pay for what you ask for right? The exapnsion is super good if you WvW and PvP.

It’s been 3 years….OF COURSE people are going to be asking for more content. Just because Anet took ages to release new REAL content doesnt mean we should be charged more. WvW and PvP updates are actually going in without the expansion so you dont need it for those.

That is only your opinion. I think there has been plenty of “real” content released since I bought GW2 34 months ago. And I know lots of others who also feel that way.

Only my opinion? I know more than enough people who feel the same way. LS season 1 was a mess, expect the end which I admit was fun,season 2 has some nice boss mechanics but not much content and some QL updates, some for the better and some not so much….almost forgot to mention SW and DT which were fun maps SW more so, but we are talking about 3 years here so that is quite lackluster.

And that is just their opinion, too. Just like the friends that I know who think there has been plenty of new ‘real content’ is just their and my opinion as well.

Please don’t pull some sort of “I am sorely offended” card when someone calls you on stating your opinion and trying to present it as concrete fact.

The phrase “real content” is purely subjective, and the meaning of that phrase varies depending on who you talk to. There is nothing wrong with your opinion……just don’t try to overstate it like it is some sort of well known “fact”, when it is far from that.

Jmo, of course.

Beast Sos.1457:

Teon.5168:

Beast Sos.1457:

Axelwarrior.9084:

Beast Sos.1457:

Axelwarrior.9084:

Beast Sos.1457:

The core game came with more than enough content for the $60 price tag, depending which copy you bought, for me to not complain about not being able to play 3 out of the 8 classes without buying character slots.

Even if the quantity of content were to justify you complaining about the price, you should at least wait until everything has been announced first.

It’s kind of insulting to be shown kitten price tag on something that for all we know is incomplete. We still havent heard nearly enough to justify the $50 price tag. Dont get me wrong though, if the expansion comes with a lot more content than what we currently see then I most likely will buy it.

$50 price tag. Idk why it replaced that with kitten. O.o

Preorders are always being offered for incomplete games, that’s the point. If you wanna complain, complain about preorders, not the price of the expansion. You’ll be well justified, because preorders are bad in general.

When you pre-order a expansion you know what is coming with it. It’s not a gamble like it is right now. When I said incomplete I meant a lack of content. I should have worded that better, my mistake. Usually you if you pre-order its incomplete when it comes to bug fixes and such not a huge chunk of content missing.

Please quit making stuff up. Most every older mmo I have ever played over the past 15+ years offered preorders on expansions where very few people knew what exactly was in them. Heck, even the beta testers had to agree to non-disclosure agreements until open beta or actual release.

You haven’t played mmos, or computer games for very long if you truly don’t think that preorders are always a gamble. Heck, even expansion or addons to fps games are a gamble, as noone knows everything that might be in them until they release.

Good grief, some of the deliberate and unintentional misinformation that is thrown around in these kinds of threads is just mind boggling.

Obviously youre not going to know every last detail but there isnt such a huge chuck of info missing….I usually know what to expect when I pre-order a game. We only seen 3 things coming into HoT, elite specs, guild halls, and verdant brink. That is not at all worth them announcing pre-purchase, ESPECIALLY at these prices.

Like I said, if you truly believe that, then you haven’t been playing computer games for very long.

Majic.4801:

The Entitlement Metagame

Calling players “entitled” is what all the cool kids are doing now, because it’s cool. Suggesting they stop is uncool, because it offends their sense of entitlement.

However, there is a silver lining to this dismal state of affairs. What is it, you ask?

The Entitlement Drinking Game!™

Every time you see the word “entitlement” in the GW2 official forums, take a drink.

Be sure to have plenty of your favorite beverages on hand, and if they happen to include alcohol, hide your car keys and make arrangements in advance for the liver transplant you’ll inevitably need after just a few short days.

Don’t worry, though. It’s what all the cool adults are doing.

Be sure you add ‘value statements’ to your game……then you’ll probably end up with some sort of alcohol toxicity, as well.

DiogoSilva.7089:

Deleting a character costs nothing, and buying a slot with gold only costs gold. You don’t have to spend additional dollars unless that is the best option for you.

Sacrificing a character is a cost by itself. Farming for weeks and stopping whatever else you want to do is a cost by itself. All options require an additional cost.

But it IS fully available to all their customers. They can put it in ANY empty character slot that they have, however they got that empty slot.

But that empty slot didn’t come for free, so you’re basically contradicting yourself.

If you truly accepted that HoT just wasn’t for you then you’d quietly go away and leave everyone else in peace.

So HoT isn’t for me because I want to play with the revenant? Your attempt to defend Anet’s marketing team decisions is getting desperate.

In the first place, it is most likely NCSoft’s marketing team, not Anet’s.
And I assume that you screamed bloody murder when the original game was offered up with far less character slots then there were characters.

Nakatsu Hime.3520:

Although I don’t want to rake though the coals about pricing-points too much (I DO think it is aimed a bit high), but I notice a very high proportion of posters here highlight the lack of the offer of a new character slot for existing users a very bad deal.

If I was in some sort of control, but was unable or unwilling to alter the price-points, I would organise it so the base expansion pack’s CD code was dual-purpose. Those new users could use it to create a new GW2 account, but existing users could redeem the code against at least one new character-slot.

Not an ideal solution, but I bet many here would consider that option.

As others have said in threads, the original game was offered with far less character slots then there were actual characters. I don’t recall that ever bugging the heck out of anyone who bought the original game. /shrug

Beast Sos.1457:

Skeletor.9360:

Come now 60 dollars is well worth it. After all people were screaming for new content and not bug fixes etc. You have to pay for what you ask for right? The exapnsion is super good if you WvW and PvP.

It’s been 3 years….OF COURSE people are going to be asking for more content. Just because Anet took ages to release new REAL content doesnt mean we should be charged more. WvW and PvP updates are actually going in without the expansion so you dont need it for those.

That is only your opinion. I think there has been plenty of “real” content released since I bought GW2 34 months ago. And I know lots of others who also feel that way.

Beast Sos.1457:

Axelwarrior.9084:

Beast Sos.1457:

Axelwarrior.9084:

Beast Sos.1457:

The core game came with more than enough content for the $60 price tag, depending which copy you bought, for me to not complain about not being able to play 3 out of the 8 classes without buying character slots.

Even if the quantity of content were to justify you complaining about the price, you should at least wait until everything has been announced first.

It’s kind of insulting to be shown kitten price tag on something that for all we know is incomplete. We still havent heard nearly enough to justify the $50 price tag. Dont get me wrong though, if the expansion comes with a lot more content than what we currently see then I most likely will buy it.

$50 price tag. Idk why it replaced that with kitten. O.o

Preorders are always being offered for incomplete games, that’s the point. If you wanna complain, complain about preorders, not the price of the expansion. You’ll be well justified, because preorders are bad in general.

When you pre-order a expansion you know what is coming with it. It’s not a gamble like it is right now. When I said incomplete I meant a lack of content. I should have worded that better, my mistake. Usually you if you pre-order its incomplete when it comes to bug fixes and such not a huge chunk of content missing.

Please quit making stuff up. Most every older mmo I have ever played over the past 15+ years offered preorders on expansions where very few people knew what exactly was in them. Heck, even the beta testers had to agree to non-disclosure agreements until open beta or actual release.

You haven’t played mmos, or computer games for very long if you truly don’t think that preorders are always a gamble. Heck, even expansion or addons to fps games are a gamble, as noone knows everything that might be in them until they release.

Good grief, some of the deliberate and unintentional misinformation that is thrown around in these kinds of threads is just mind boggling.

Threads like this always have a very interesting dynamic to them, imo.

In the first place, it is dealing with a very subjective term…..“value”.
Each person has their own definition of that word.

On one extreme end, you have the person that bought this game almost 3 years ago, is still enjoying it, and thinks they have gotten far, far beyond their initial $50 investment. They don’t bat an eyelash on shelling out another $100 for the ultimate expansion, as they feel that the game has given them far more value than $150 over almost 3 years.

Then you have the other extreme end. Those that feel their initial $50 was a questionable investment, as they’re having troubles with the game, and not seeing enough change in the direction they want it to go. They feel that almost any sort of $$ over $10-20 for an expansion is an extreme slap in the face, especially when they don’t know exactly what is in the expansion.

And none of this is taking into account that a very large number of people involved in these discussions probably never even had to pay for GW1 or GW2 in the first place. There is no ‘value’ even involved for them, even if they insist there is, as they never had to shell out real money in the first place for the game. They got it as some sort of present from a friend, or their parents bought it for them.
Nor is it taking into account those people that don’t even play the game anymore who comment on these threads because they have some sort of self perceived grudge against the game. And heck, most of the people extremely happy with this game never even visit these or the reddit forums.

That’s why, imo, discussions like these are so completely senseless. None of this will accomplish anything. Some of the people in this thread who complain like crazy about ‘slap in the face’ attitude from Anet will still buy the expansion, and some will not. The loyal part of the playerbase will have no problems shelling out the money for the preorder. And then there will be those, loyal and otherwise, who will wait until it releases to buy it.

In the end, the game will be just fine. Sure, some people will quit over this….but there will also be new people buying the game. And then there will be the loyal ‘fanboys’ and ‘whitenights’ who will stick around no matter what.

It all comes down to your personal definition of value, and what you expect a game to deliver. I know what my definition of that word is, and I will be here.

Of course, this is all my own opinion, and I will most likely never have factual numbers to back it up. Just like those pulling numbers out of thin air about how much Anet will lose on this won’t have any factual numbers to back them up.

Anyways, the dynamic involved in these sorts of discussions is what is the most interesting, imo.

I think the phrase “value statements” is giving the word “entitlement” a serious run for its money.