Guild Wars 2

I think it is way too early to pass judgement on this patch. Give it a week or so, and see what adjustments are made, if any.

OriOri.8724:

Jesus, people on both sides of this are being ridiculous. There are players in this thread claiming that

• 3-4 hours of WvW a night, every night, for years is just “average” play. Are you kidding? That’s so far beyond the average gamer. Stop with your elitism already, its disgusting quite frankly.

• Rank 2,000 is way too high, because “I’ll never be able to earn it with how I like to play”. Well tough luck. You have to play the game mode to get the rewards that are specific to that game mode.

Both sides of this are being just ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous. The elitism needs to stop, now. The whining because you have to play WvW to get WvW rewards needs to stop, now.

That said, I do agree that the rank requirement is too high. 1,500 would be a lot better in my opinion. And before anyone comes in here crying about how I “want handouts”, take a step back and think about it. Actually think about the work required to get to rank 2,000 in WvW. How long did it take you guys? 1 year? 2 years? 3, or even 4, years? Compare that to legendary armor, what is supposed to be the best/hardest to obtain armor set in the entire game, which can be completed in 12 weeks. Hell, bump that up to 20 weeks to give you time to learn every fight and find a static group. 20 weeks to obtain legendary armor, versus years of work in WvW (and mind you, after you learn the raid fights, its only a few hours per week, instead of 3-4 hours every night) to get to rank 2,000 and be able to get your entire T3 armor set.

The amount of work required is exponentially greater than that to obtain comparable rewards in the other game modes. And that is not acceptable. You can go on all you want about how veterans need to be rewarded and what not, but guess what, you’d still earn the rewards if the rank requirement was lowered. You can go on and on about how people with low ranks just want their rewards faster and aren’t really dedicated to WvW. Well what about people who are new to WvW? Just because they are new doesn’t mean they aren’t dedicated. But you are still content with requiring them to dedicate hours of work every day, for years potentially, just to earn this armor.

This is not ok. The WvW rewards shouldn’t require so much more time invested than the PvE or the PvP rewards. They just shouldn’t. Its asinine honestly. And a slap in the face if you think about it. Stop with your elitism already. The amount of work required for these rewards is much too high considering the amount of work required for the comparable rewards in other game modes. Much too high. It needs to be toned down, and reducing the rank requirement to 1,500 is a good way to do that.

Wonderfully well stated, and logically thought out.

Well said, OriOri.

With that said, the only reason I find the 2k, or a 1.5k or 1k line acceptable, is that I know I will never get there with the time I have to play, and I don’t care about getting it.

But I certainly can see your points about it…..it should be on par with PvE high end rewards.

OriOri.8724:

Mel.5821:

You are not supposed to work towards the skin, you are supposed to play WvW regulary and enjoy the reward when it is time for it. Maybe Anet should hide the vendor tabs completly until you qualify for buying from them to prevent people grinding just for the reward.

Are you seriously trying to argue that anyone who doesn’t play just like you, with the exact same motivations you have, is playing the game wrong? Some people want to go for the skin, not the journey. Its not your place to tell them they are playing the game wrong and to suck it up, because they should enjoy the game the same way you enjoy it.

Get your kitten elitism out of here already.

Unfortunately, trying to argue logically with this sort of mindset is just a complete waste of time, Ori.

Kitta.3657:

Teon.5168:

Kitta.3657:

Sylvyn.4750:

Maybe with increased participation, the ranks will go faster, but prior to now, my average is probably about 1 per night….I’m on the 5-year plan…:)

Are you trolling? What are you doing? That’s close to impossible to only get 1 per night.

No it’s not. You don’t know how Sylvyn plays the game. Maybe he/she plays only an hour or so a night, does some slow paced roaming or whatever, doesn’t remember to run any wvw bonuses, takes frequent breaks, etc….

There have been many nights when I just got 1 level out there….because of the way I was playing (breaks, talking to wife, reorganizing drops, etc). Sure, most of the times I am out there, I will get more than 2-4 levels…..but some nights I just play relaxed and laid back and don’t care about levels at all. (Most of the time I don’t even pay attention to levels until I quit for the night).

/shrug

I’m a roamer and I get more than 1 rank every single time I play (without any boosters). I’m sorry but if you can’t play more than 1hr per night and can’t get more than 1 rank per night… You’re just being entitled. These rewards require time investment and expecting kitten to be giving out to you because you haven’t been able to get the rank required in almost 5yrs of this gamemode is not a valuable input.

I was responding to your statement about it being next to impossible to only get 1 level during playtime. You don’t know how Sylvyn plays the game, and neither do I. I was just presenting how one could play wvw for that period of time and not rack up multiple levels.

Not sure how you went from that to some sort of sense of entitlement. I am perfectly fine with the 2k line on the T3 stuff. And I am perfectly fine with whatever levels I may or may not get while playing wvw.

At my age, the game is a pleasant diversion for me, and that’s it. I rarely get serious, in any way, shape, or form, about a video game anymore. It is just a way of having some mindless fun with friends after the work day for me.

XTR.9604:

Teon.5168:

Not saying that Delirious is or isn’t a good player…….but you do realize that someone playing wvw in a different manner that you do, could be just as efficient and effective as you are? Wvw doesn’t have to be only played in the manner that you play it to be “correct” or “efficient”.

Plus there are other variables, such as server, link, amount of spare time one has to play, etc……

Am glad that your manner of play seems to work so well for you……but it is not the only way to play wvw.

Spare me the politically correct state of mind please. I call things as I see them. If you’ve played as long as I have in WvW and I am a significantly higher rank while running the same or similar number of people in a group, then clearly I did something better. I didn’t spawn camp for 5000 hours in WvW and I did not zerg around with blobs for my ranks. The most I ever cared to run with was when I played with the 15 man “skill groups” that were GvG guilds and only went out for fights. Most of the time, we’d never cap a camp, sentry or anything with those groups. Just fights.

Seriously? You come back with ‘spare me the pc garbage. I call things as I see them’??….lmao…….ooookay……lol

Just thought I might express my opinion, but can see it is a complete waste of time with such an ‘expert’.

And fwiw, since you already complained about ‘lack of reading comprehension’, you might look in the mirror on that one, as I never said anything about " I didn’t spawn camp for 5000 hours in WvW and I did not zerg around with blobs for my ranks."

Yeesh, whatever. My sincere apologies for offending your wvw sensitivity. /smh

XTR.9604:

Delirious.3108:

XTR.9604:

Delirious.3108:

I play this game for 4 years and i don’t have 2k.

Then you didn’t spend that long in WvW or you didn’t spend your time in WvW very effectively. Capture objectives and kill players, easy to get WXP. My group runs 5 people for about 3 hours a night on raid nights and I usually get 5-10 ranks per run depending on who we’re fighting against.

So you are telling me that this wvw should be played only in big zergs trying to ppt all the time, forget the fights and do nothing besides that?

Well, i don’t think so. I play as a roamer and until last year i was on a big guilds.
There is no right or wrong. It is still an absurd require so much of a player for a game, it is not health at all and dissipate that idea only shows anet doesn’t care.

And btw, what bothers me the most is not the rank requirement (still ridiculous for a upgrade of an ascended set) are the pips needed to get the rewards that is an absurd.

Reading comprehension skills need to be used here. I specifically said that I run in a group of 5 people. What part of that sounds like we play in a big zerg ppting all day?

Delirious.3108:

I guess this is my fault that i used my time playing this game as a roamer and it is less valuable than someone blobing.

As a roamer, I again say that you were not doing a good job roaming if you aren’t getting good WXP in the process. I don’t run with blobs, I run in a group of 5 people who avoid the blobs and do our own thing for our own fights and we also cap objectives along the way. That is how you get to be a useful roamer to your server as well as get fights. If you’re just standing outside of the enemies spawn waiting to pick up bad players on a thief, you’re not a roamer, you’re just being a bad solo player.

Not saying that Delirious is or isn’t a good player…….but you do realize that someone playing wvw in a different manner that you do, could be just as efficient and effective as you are? Wvw doesn’t have to be only played in the manner that you play it to be ‘correct’, ‘efficient’, or ‘useful’. Those terms can be very subjective to different players. A ‘correct’ , ‘efficient’, or ‘useful’ night in wvw to me, for instance, is one where I helped cause problems for the enemy, assisted my allies effectively, and most of all…..if I had a lot of fun and a big smile on my face afterwards. How many levels I may or may not have gotten doesn’t mean a whole lot to me.

Plus there are other variables, such as server, link, amount of spare time one has to play, buffs, etc……

Am glad that your manner of play seems to work so well for you……but it is not the only way to play wvw.

ventusthunder.5067:

MadBomber.3719:

ventusthunder.5067:

I think the bigger problem is how much you have to play every week to get the maximum of 175 skirmish tickets. Essentially you’ve got to play between 2 and 4 hours every single day, give or take based on rank and server success. It shows that these end-of-the-line rewards are definitely for the people who already play WvW all the time, and are intended to be an extremely distant final reward for people starting up the gamemode. However, I don’t think your average human being has 3 to 4 hours to spend solely on WvW every day.

isn’t the whole point to reward those that play/ have played wvw loyally? just like the legendary armor rewards those that do raids or basically any other legendary before rewarded people who grinded pve. for those complaining about getting ranks, you think wvwers enjoyed map comp? Pvers got their rewards for years, let wvwers have theres

I’m not one of those people complaining because I can’t get the rewards. I don’t PvE at all, I am a loyal WvW player- it’s funny you assume I’m a PvEr. I’m talking about people who can’t spend 4 hours a day on GW2 in total regardless of their preferred gamemode. People have school, jobs, commutes, family, friends, lives. That doesn’t always translate into having 4 hours to spend in a game every day.

The whole reward system for wvw now doesn’t bother me much. Any added rewards I might get are just gravy to me, as I just enjoy the game mode.

That being said, you’re completely correct that a lot of people who play wvw don’t have 3-4 hours a night to play, due mostly to real life commitments.

I play wvw 90% of my game time, but I rarely have that kind of time to commit to the game every night.

Since GW2 has been a game that has always been very casual player friendly, I expect to see the pip time commitment adjusted some. I doubt if the T3 armor requirement of 2k wvwxp will be adjusted, as that seems pretty fair to me.

Aeolus.3615:

i dont get ANet… enforcing AOE spam gameplay while theier game cant handle it…

and it will get worse with next excpac

I keep hoping that they’ll upgrade/add some servers by then, but not sure if that is much of a priority to them.

LOL…just got on the game real quick, and EB has a queue of around 85+, while the other bls are around 15-20……and it isn’t even close to peak time yet.

My wife is going to be so kittened tonight, as she has really been getting into wvw lately…..doesn’t look like she will be doing much of that tonight.

I will be off playing ESO or Eve I think.

Aeolus.3615:

indeed… but the lag XD… oh my the lag…

actually 1 side blob is eneught to lag the entire map…

Yea, that is what concerns me most about the patch, too. I expect the big queues until the newness of the patch wears off……and I also expect the lag. But the lag, imo, is much, much more frustrating. Makes the mode completely unplayable in certain situations.

As I said in another thread….looks like 2-3 weeks of playing my other mmorpgs and fps games until wvw returns back to more normal conditions.

Novahh.7426:

Grab a booster and quit complaining big boi

I hate to even contemplate the amount of time I have spent in wvw without any boosters running….lol. And that was back when I was on an unlinked tier 8 server that had very little wvw action.

Now I remember all the time….guild hall booster, xp booster, bday booster……it is amazing the sort of difference those boosters make to one gaining levels in a much, much faster manner.

zinkz.7045:

Lascax.2163:

They should be rewarded in a continuous way. Requiring years of playing a single mode on a modern MMo to get a skin is really not an incentive to newer players. I’m not saying that they should be gifted, but that they should be accessible.

Most of the stuff in the game is pretty accessible, not every single thing has to cater to the sort of Skinner box victims who have to be given “incentives” to actually bother to play the game.

Lascax.2163:

If you want a mode to prosper, you should give incentive and getting a really long grind spanning to even the year scale is not selling the mode to anyone.

The mode won’t prosper from the sort who are only there for shiny things, the only tiny benefit to the mode would be a small percentage of those who haven’t tried it properly may find they quite enjoy it and stay, but really that pales into insignificance compared to the damage done to the mode by them neglecting the actual issues with it, and number of players who have left because of that.

Lascax.2163:

These Rewards should be used to make WvW prosper and interesting to players, not to create further distance between Veterans and Newcomers.

Rewards only make a game mode interesting to a certain niche of player, gameplay is what actually makes a game prosper.

Frankly the people who play games primarily for “rewards” are a tumour on gaming and one of the reasons the MMORPG genre is in the state it is.

Very well said.

Kitta.3657:

Sylvyn.4750:

Maybe with increased participation, the ranks will go faster, but prior to now, my average is probably about 1 per night….I’m on the 5-year plan…:)

Are you trolling? What are you doing? That’s close to impossible to only get 1 per night.

No it’s not. You don’t know how Sylvyn plays the game. Maybe he/she plays only an hour or so a night, does some slow paced roaming or whatever, doesn’t remember to run any wvw bonuses, takes frequent breaks, etc….

There have been many nights when I just got 1 level out there….because of the way I was playing (breaks, talking to wife, reorganizing drops, etc). Sure, most of the times I am out there, I will get more than 2-4 levels…..but some nights I just play relaxed and laid back and don’t care about levels at all. (Most of the time I don’t even pay attention to levels until I quit for the night).

/shrug

Shadelang.3012:

People are so focused only on the end ascended items.

People. There are TIERS of rewards. Three of them

Newcomers get the triumphant set and t1 weapons.

Then experienced wvwlders start getting the t2 armor and eventually the weapons.

People that have stuck with the game mode for a long time get the t3 armor.

Its not like if your not getting the t3 armor your getting nothing from it.

Don’t ignore everything else there.

This isn’t supposed to be something people do for the skins. Its a reward for people that play and love the game mode as a whole. The skins aren’t supposed to be the goal here. Its a REWARD for sticking with something for a long time.

The GOAL is to play and enjoy the game mode. If the skins become the goal and are made easier to get then the game mode will be filled with farmers for a short while before they all immediately dissapear agian.

Is the 2k rank minimum for the FINAL REWARDS gonna turn people off? Maybe,…probably..GOOD.

But it will give people that are dedicated to the game mode something to look forward to.

And it may encourage other people to try the game mode and realize they love it.

As such. I STRONGLY disagree with anyone attempting to lower the rank limit.

If this seems super out of hand for you and turns you off from the game mode. You weren’t going to stay there long anyway.

Dont salivate over the new pair of boots and make that your reason for existing. Let it be something you would have gotten anyway for doing something you enjoy and it makes sense.

Well said. When the patch was first talked about, I thought the armor and other tiers, rewards and such were an interesting idea…..BUT……that is not why I play that game mode. I play wvw for the sheer fun of it. Sure, the rewards and tiers will be nice, but that is not required by me to play the mode. Now, if it all attracts more players to that game mode that find that they really enjoy it…..excellent!

Not sure what the big deal is…..yea, so a rank of 2k is required. I will probably never get that, as I am a very casual player. But hey, I can still craft it right now, minus the ‘particle effects’. /shrug

I spent a couple hours last night updating three other mmorpgs that I hadn’t played in awhile in preparation for the upcoming inevitable huge queues that I figured might exist after the patch today in GW2.

Glad I did…looks like I will be spending the next 2-3 weeks or so in those mmorpgs while I wait for all the hype to die down in GW2 post patch.

Xenon.4537:

Doam.8305:

Anet is a restaurant without a menu that brings out whatever they want for the player to have to deal with.

I really love this analogy.

I have to agree……but hey, at least they’re doing something! /sarcasm

Aeolus.3615:

Teon.5168:

Spartacus.3192:

Teon.5168:

Aeolus.3615:

dont forget that WvW are pve players Teon

LOL….oh I know….but I still found it funny that they mentioned the cool glider skin on a piece of wvw armor.

Well the pvp wings have a glider skin and you cant glide in the actual pvp maps only in HoTM.

It isn’t funny anymore when I have to explain why it was funny to me. So, I have a weird sense of humor

or u could have a double funny momment and realise Anet rewards system is ment for pve players try pvp gamemodes where they dispise pvp itself…. this addons have the chance to go with a completelly wrong ending…

LOL…..you’re doing a good job of cracking me up today…..thanks!

Spartacus.3192:

Teon.5168:

Aeolus.3615:

dont forget that WvW are pve players Teon

LOL….oh I know….but I still found it funny that they mentioned the cool glider skin on a piece of wvw armor.

Well the pvp wings have a glider skin and you cant glide in the actual pvp maps only in HoTM.

It isn’t funny anymore when I have to explain why it was funny to me. So, I have a weird sense of humor

Aeolus.3615:

dont forget that WvW are pve players Teon

LOL….oh I know….but I still found it funny that they mentioned the cool glider skin on a piece of wvw armor.

Bopha Debs.3290:

I got to the part where they told roamers and havok groups that they are not as important as k-trainers because they don’t gain wvw rank as fast and and it made me sad, But then I saw that the backpack was pretty much a ballista just like in the joke post a while back and I remembered that this is a ncsoft game so who really cares am I right?

Agree with ya on the roamers and havoc groups comment. That is my favorite mode of wvw, too.

DemonSeed.3528:

Jski.6180:

Its sounds good over all. I hope this rewards work out well i can see the maps becoming a bit tag happy with getting added rewards for being a commander with at least 5 ppl. Every one going to be a commander lol.

I guess now nobody can complain of there being no tags around XD

Guess we’ll see how it all works once implemented…..but yea, I tend to agree with your comments on tags. After this update, everyone and their brother/sister will have a tag….it has the potential to just be absurd.

Guess I will have to wait for implementation of the wvw changes to see what really happens……but overall, I am left scratching my head at a lot of the proposed changes.

But I did get a huge laugh when they mentioned that the wvw backpack would have an awesome looking glider……when you can’t glide in wvw. Priceless!

Nocturnal Lunacy.8563:

As I said earlier, only those players that enjoy making this game unenjoyable for others are going to say anything against it. And ofc those that live on the forums are going say anything cuz they feel the need to be seen.

You don’t seem to get it. As I just said…..
Those are HUGE, trollish assumptions on your part.

Another one of these ‘only my opinions are correct and factual’ game ‘experts’.

/smh

Nocturnal Lunacy.8563:

I also love the assumptions made by the ones leaving comments. w/e

I am curious why you seem to apply this statement to others but not to yourself?

I have to love the irony/hypocrisy.

Fwiw, I am having great fun in wvw on TC. Some really fun wvw guilds on that server. And I am seeing action out there whenever I play. Oh yea, and I am one of those players that just likes to have fun in wvw.

Getting random dcs here, too.

OriOri.8724:

Jim Hunter.6821:

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

I’m aware of Tyler’s posts, which if you read them don’t ever promise a 3rd borderlands map. I just wanted to clarify that nowhere in the polls did we say anything about creating a 3rd borderlands map, even though that is stated as a ‘fact’ over and over again on the forums.

Well thanks for waiting nearly a year to clarify Anet’s stance on this….
Whether you all ever intended to make a 3rd bl or not it was pretty clear at the time of the poll that the players were under the impression that they better vote to keep the dbl if they ever wanted to see a new map. Don’t try and act like Tyler’s reddit post had no impact on the decision.

Likewise, don’t try to pass this off as Anet’s fault that you guys literally made kitten up and started believing it. There was never any indication whatsoever that keeping DBL would mean a third borderland would be developed.

OriOri, don’t waste your energy. I have come to the conclusion that this all is nothing more than arguing with a rock. Not going to get anywhere with it. It is quite clear what Anet said on the topic. And what a certain portion of the forum posters would rather believe on the topic.

Nice try, though, and I completely agree with you.

Ragnar.4257:

No, its not an absolute statement of intent, but it does indicate a probability.

Thanks for making my point.

Again, so you can practice your reading skills, this time from Ori….

OriOri.8724:

Nowhere do they promise a third borderland. You guys made that kitten up, and you are proving that you made it up. The only thing they said is that this system would better support a third borderland map. But they explicitly stated that their priorities did not include a new borderland, and that even if they did development wouldn’t start unless there was another poll.

You, and everyone else, literally made it all up that ANet was going to develop a new borderland map if DBL wasn’t removed.

Dawdler.8521:

Swamurabi.7890:

I wish I could have changed my votes.

Its funny, isnt it?

Some of us knew this was coming and voted to delete DBL outright. It was harsh and definitive, yes, but it was the only choice at the time that made sense in order to maintain WvW stability. DBL wasnt good for WvW.

Yet people went on and on and on about how Anet wouldnt support WvW anymore if it wsnt there, that there would be no new maps period… and that a vote for DBL meant new maps was likely. So people flocked to that choice.

Hah!

At least we managed to avoid complete WvW meltdown with the second poll, sigh.

We nearly killed WvW and it was our own fault.

So dbls were a matter of people panicking and “flocking” to that choice out of fear?

LMAO

It’s a game, dude.

Seriously???

Man, this only gets better with age.

Deli.1302:

Most of the hate for DBL is just hyped up nonsense by a vocal minority that others have jumped on the bandwagon over. Basic internet culture these days.

I see plenty of play on the desert maps and plenty of guilds raiding in them. Maybe it’s just an EU thing. A lot of servers go there for open field fights near the south camp cos the alpine bls are usually filled with ppters and pugs.

The one thing I don’t like about the desert map is the navigational nightmare around the fire keep.

Completely agree. Same on the NA servers, especially the ones I am on. And yea, the fire keeps are a pain in the kitten .

K THEN.5162:

My biggest complaint is that Rangers still can’t wield 2 longbows

Oh man, that would be so cool……

synergy.5809:

Teon.5168:

synergy.5809:

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

I’m aware of Tyler’s posts, which if you read them don’t ever promise a 3rd borderlands map. I just wanted to clarify that nowhere in the polls did we say anything about creating a 3rd borderlands map, even though that is stated as a ‘fact’ over and over again on the forums.

it doesn’t matter, the news spread on reddit that you were less likely to create a new map again if people voted to remove DBL. It affected peoples vote and you know it, whether you intended to or not and regardless of whether that was included in the poll or not. What you should’ve done is did another poll clarifying that in the wording of the poll so people like Teon can stop referring to that skewed poll result. Though it might be too late now since most people I know quit the game already.

Did you actually read the reddit link? The whiney dbl haters assumed much from the actual posts.

And I still fail to see ‘all these people’ that quit the game specifically because of dbl, as you claim. Yea, your friends might have quit, but I still see lots of action in dbl.

And yea, I know it is pointless arguing with those that hate dbl. If wvw is such a complete mess, then why do any of you still play? Oh that’s right, you did all quit. Funny, I haven’t noticed.

/shrug

I log on from time to time to get my dailies. lol its funny that back then during the polls I kinda knew you would continue with this attitude and I added you to the friends list to see how often you logged on / last logged on. Its hard to notice whether people quit or not if you haven’t logged on a month or two at a time.

Nice try, but I have two accounts and login every night on one and/or both of them. But, hey, A for effort in the BS department.

And I guess my dailies are achieved by my ghost account…..lol

And just an aside….when did you become so obsessed with my playing habits?
Is your life really that sad?

Too kitten ed funny……lol

bump for the end of page bug

synergy.5809:

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

I’m aware of Tyler’s posts, which if you read them don’t ever promise a 3rd borderlands map. I just wanted to clarify that nowhere in the polls did we say anything about creating a 3rd borderlands map, even though that is stated as a ‘fact’ over and over again on the forums.

it doesn’t matter, the news spread on reddit that you were less likely to create a new map again if people voted to remove DBL. It affected peoples vote and you know it, whether you intended to or not and regardless of whether that was included in the poll or not. What you should’ve done is did another poll clarifying that in the wording of the poll so people like Teon can stop referring to that skewed poll result. Though it might be too late now since most people I know quit the game already.

Did you actually read the reddit link? The whiney dbl haters assumed much from the actual posts.

And I still fail to see ‘all these people’ that quit the game specifically because of dbl, as you claim. Yea, your friends might have quit, but I still see lots of action in dbl.

And yea, I know it is pointless arguing with those that hate dbl. If wvw is such a complete mess, then why do any of you still play? Oh that’s right, you did all quit. Funny, I haven’t noticed.

/shrug

Sarika.3756:

If you don’t like dbl, don’t play on it. You have other maps. Play on them. It’s not rocket science.

Dbl as it exists today is not the main issue with wvw.

Some of the current issues are player created, some are game issues. But dbl being a single map of four really isn’t the biggest problem we’ve got.

Let’s talk about unbalanced match-ups, coverage, population, attracting new players, the overall concept of RvR rather than a giant flat arena, players unwilling to accept that there are a lot of different ways to enjoy wvw and their way isn’t the only way… the list goes on.

Excellent post and right on the money.

I actually like your idea. I wouldn’t like to see dbl made exclusively for a purpose like that, as I enjoy the roaming and such I do on it, and I do see a quite a large number of players using it for however they play wvw.

But, taking the dbl layout and using it in some sort of fashion of a tournament(while still keeping the original in its form in regular wvw) along the lines of what Chaba posted would be a very interesting idea, imo.

CrimeMaker.8612:

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

I’m aware of Tyler’s posts, which if you read them don’t ever promise a 3rd borderlands map. I just wanted to clarify that nowhere in the polls did we say anything about creating a 3rd borderlands map, even though that is stated as a ‘fact’ over and over again on the forums.

“if the community does not accept this map, we will not be making new maps for WvW.”

Community still doesnt accept this map so please remove it since no new map is being worked or will ever be worked on.

Alternative facts, again. Face it, you dbl whiners would never be happy unless wvw was exactly changed to your liking, and screw the rest of the playerbase. Heck, this has been beaten like a dead horse during the original polls……

Again, as I said before…..don’t like dbl? Don’t play it. Don’t force the rest of the playerbase to conform to your limited ‘vision’.

Edit: Here is Tyler’s actual post, rather than the mythical one you keep posting…..and it has a much different meaning than the supposed quote you listed in the above post….please note the last sentence, which has an entirely different meaning than your supposed quote from Tyler……which was actually a quote from other posters, NOT Tyler.

“Just to clarify. The Simultaneous Borderlands is a system that better supports a third map, than the rotation strategy. So an additional map would be more likely in that respect. However, our development priorities are still community driven. We wouldn’t start building another WvW map unless it was put to a vote, and won.”

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

I’m aware of Tyler’s posts, which if you read them don’t ever promise a 3rd borderlands map. I just wanted to clarify that nowhere in the polls did we say anything about creating a 3rd borderlands map, even though that is stated as a ‘fact’ over and over again on the forums.

/Applauds

Swamurabi.7890:

atticus.5284:

Gaile Gray.6029:

Swamurabi.7890:

I believe the thread of poll #1 has a red post that says that if DBL was not supported no other WvW maps would be done.

Could you please locate that post and provide a link? I’m not seeing it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/4lxt91/psa_if_simultaneous_borderlands_wins_the_wvw_poll/

That’s it.

Simultaneous borderlands (2ABL, 1DBL) would be more likely to have a third WvW map developed. At least that’s how most of us read Tyler’s comment.

I voted for 2ABL/1DBL rather than a 3ABL-3DBL rotation because it was a better option and also there was the possibility of a third map. Whether the third map was developed, 2ABL/1DBL was a far better choice than having 3DBL for three straight months.

No, that’s how YOU interpreted it. A certain vocal minority on these forums screamed about the DBLs, and once the poll showed that people overwhelmingly supported dbl and a 2-1 mix, you all went crying into your corners blabbering some nonsense about people who didn’t play wvw swayed the vote.

When one reads the reddit forum you linked, a much different picture is painted than what you seem to think happened.

Alternative facts, indeed.

Glad I got some factual backup from Anet. Thanks, McKenna.

Oh yea, I salvaged a precursor the first year I was playing, too. About 5 minutes after I did it I was like…..oh no, no, no…..lol

ThomasC.1056:

Teon.5168:

Guess I must be an exception, as I see people in dbl all the time when I am roaming. /shrug

So do I, so you’re not an exception.

Blockhead Magee.3092:

Deaeira.2651:

Thanks for repeating it… it’s really a pity because once people decided they don’t like DBL, they kept at it, even though a lot got better.

If you don’t like liver, it doesn’t matter if a 5 star chef makes the best liver every done by human kind, you still don’t like liver.

The desert bl is that crappy. (though I do like liver)

Fair enough. I’d add that if you don’t like liver, you don’t demonstrate every week in front of that restaurant which serves the best liver in the world to ask it to be removed from the menu because you think liver is crap and nobody could possibly enjoy such a dish.

And yet, that’s what happens with DBL.

Lots of posters here also seem to have completely forgotten that DBL poll that was taken long ago by Anet. The playerbase decided on the current configuration of 2 abls and 1 dbl. And that poll was taken before most of the really nice changes to dbl.

If you hate DBL so much, then just don’t play it. Simple as that.

Guess I must be an exception, as I see people in dbl all the time when I am roaming. /shrug

In support….Anet is still working on it….

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/support/Problems-with-logging-in-1/first#post6562939

Sviel.7493:

Allow me to bring you all up to speed so that you can complain more accurately~

I needed a good chuckle….lol. This quote wins the forum today, imo.

Despite the doomsday posters saying that servers being taken down is a sure sign of the death of this game.(How long has that been predicted by you yahoos, anyways? 3 years now??)

Sounds to me like it just might be a maintenance issue and they just simply took too much hardware down. Although, you would think it would be fixed by now.

But heck, I have been in older mmorpgs years ago where there would be outages for 2-4 days with no response from the game makers….Anet is usually pretty quick with getting these problems fixed.

Still having problems here on the west coast. Multiple crashes, etc…..ran -repair program….still same issue. And WvW is lagging something horrible….can’t even get off simple commands. That doesn’t usually happen to me even in big zerg fights.

Lots of kicks, re-logins, and now huge, horrible lag in wvw with just getting simple commands to fire off. West coast USA here. Many of my fellow guildies are having same troubles. LA seems to be a real bad spot for getting kicked out of the game.

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

Because I enjoy it.

After many hours of both playing WvW and browsing the forums, I’ve pretty much concluded that I’m in the minority for this.

I don’t care about score. I don’t care about winning, fights, PPT, KDR or otherwise. I don’t care about defending or capturing or what ever else.

I enjoy WvW because I enjoy socializing with server and guild mates. I enjoy that I can roam, I can scout, I can zerg, I can do what ever my heart desires without anyone or anything to tell me to do otherwise. I can play what ever class I want, I can play what ever build I want, I have nearly total freedom.

There are things in WvW that frustrate me, sure, but I don’t expect it to be perfect. Much like I do with a lot of things in life, I take WvW for what it is and I look on the bright side. What’s the point of always being upset? If you have constructive criticism, give it. Make a thread with ideas and be sure to consider all the variables. Your thoughts may or may not be heard by ANet but if it slips under their radar it doesn’t mean they hate you, they hate WvW and they’re not listening.

People are such drama queens. Yes, WvW has problems and yes, ANet doesn’t do a very good job at maintaining balance or keeping our interest. But at the end of the day, it’s still just a video game and it isn’t here to be a substitute for happiness. Enjoy it for what it is and give feedback where necessary instead of pouring your hopes and dreams in to a better future for the game (and probably your life) then getting mad with ANet and the world because things didn’t pan out the way you imagined they would.

This. I completely agree. Pretty much the same reasons for me.

Choppy.4183:

Must be a perception thing. I’m also on Ehmry, almost exclusively roaming, and I see a pretty even mix of condi and power builds out there with maybe slightly more power on balance.

I’m on Kaineng and find the same sort of thing roaming.

Justine.6351:

You really only notice it if you try to notice it.

I forgot they made this change until I was standing around defending a camp for 30min. Then after I was done defending the camp I forgot it was there until I stumbled onto this thread again.

These pics here exaggerate it grossly.

I didn’t even notice it when I played last night. /shrug

^This. Certainly a big part of it all, imo.