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World Linking 6/24/2016

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Calm down, complainers. Take the chance to meet new people and make new friends. I think it is better for every server to make new friends. I do personally miss being linked with FA, but I also haven’t had a chance to meet anyone from CD, ET or Kaineng yet. I’m willing to give them a chance, why not?

I’m on Kaineng, and am definitely with ya on that.

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the pairings are horrible. For everyone. There is not fun when there is not balance and making this move was idiotic.

No matter where you go, just one sided now.

Fine in T2. FA, Mag, and DB all putting up good fights against each other.

Anet saved WvW.

Or at least bought wvw some time. Am hoping that when dbl comes back, it will also have more good tweaks, thereby improving wvw even more.

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I love the new linkings so far…..crazy, but allows a player to do pretty much what they want. Zergs, ok, let’s go………..havoc, no problem……roaming…have at it! Hope it continues like this!

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For me I just like to roam, I’ll ride the occasional havoc crew just to get across the map, but even when I’m not near the big pug fights I’m still lagging. Just started up this Friday at reset and hasn’t stopped since.

I kinda gave up on wvw for now.

It has been getting bad since before the reset, for a few days at least, and this has happened in the past as well, but yes it has definitely been a bit worse since reset. Tried 3 times to jump off a wall but kept being put right back on top of it.

Not saying there wasn’t lag last night, as there was. But what your experience sounds like is jumping off a wall right over an entry point…..that’ll throw you back up on the wall most everytime, unless you really jump off the wall to gain some distance on the entry point. (I just did this last night, not realizing I was over an entry point…..lol….but, this bug, if you can call it that, has been around for awhile)

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Yup, my wife had bad lag in wvw last night, and the night before. I had a little bit, but not horrible.

Pretty typical for a reset. Seems to usually clear up around Monday or Tuesday.

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World Linking 6/24/2016

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So we went to the FA Host at the beginning of this all. Immediately people were recognizing the ‘new’ people and welcoming us big time. I met new people, made new friends and fighting buddies and so on. Cool right? Now we’re off to another Host… but now it’s 4 servers in one. So far I see groups running separately, (calling for help when needed etc of course, but separate). So far as I’ve tried to communicate with these new people I have heard mostly… …. … So it should be interesting to see how the next while plays out. At this point it looks like most of my WvW runs, when I do them, will be mainly with my guild group since I see so many smaller factions staying mostly to themselves. Yes it’s very early in the new link-up so I hope something changes.

The problem with linking lower tier servers together vs being linked with a higher tier server is often the players that wanted a higher level of communication and organization already left the lower tier servers in search of that a long time ago and are consolidated at higher tiers. So even if you get sheer " numbers" from linking, you will not have the unity and enhanced game play that comes with the higher level organization.

Yea, because we all know that the higher tiers have much more skilled and organized wvw players.

“Unity and enhanced game play”???? I think you’re actually serious…….

/facepalm

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WvW Poll 14 June: Desert Borderlands (Closed)

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Guess i’m late to the party, haven’t played wvw since shortly after the DBL were introduced so had no idea about the existence of this poll nor about the reintroduction of alpine borders.
And i suppose this also exposes a flaw in the poll they did.
Most people still following GW2 wvw were going to be people that are more favourable towards the DBLs, the people that absolutely hate those borders are long gone.

So while this poll may be fair to those still playing, keeping the DBLs around is not going to help WvW regain former players.
If the borders are going to be used for weekly rotations, then in my case i might play when it’s Alpine, and i’ll sit out the weeks when it’s DBL.

It will probably end up being a mixed bls…something like 2 abls and 1 dbl at the same time. I don’t think anyone wants an all abl, then all dbl 2-3 month rotation. Think the next poll is supposed to be concerning this.

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World Linking 6/24/2016

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aw man, i should’ve moved to Kaineng, i want to play in the 9 server battle royale

Still only 500 gems to move here. And yea, having this many servers….wild!

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I’m actually having fun in this current match. All 9 servers that are against each other atm, rofl.

Gate Of Madness, Ferguson’s Crossing, Sorrow’s Furnace
Crystal Desert, Borlis Pass, Kaineng, Eredon Terrace
Darkhaven, Ehmry Bay

The blobs are insanity.

Kaineng here, and yea….lots of fun!!!! Altho I haven’t seen any blobs yet. But we did just get done with a pairing with TC on T1, so I might have to adjust my size down, as blobs there were over 40-50

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World Linking 6/24/2016

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Man this is so kittening bs half my guild on TC half my guild on Kaineng and someone of my members still on DH yeah anet of course linking is.great you know guilds are totally not going to kittening die kittening hell that’s I’m out V overwatch here I come.

TC is open .

Oh man, Alphs….that is just cruel….lol. Not that TC is a bad server….they were wonderful to Kaineng, their last pairing. But T1 right now has to be thought of as the sucky tier, just because of BG.

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World Linking 6/24/2016

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Man this is so kittening bs half my guild on TC half my guild on Kaineng and someone of my members still on DH yeah anet of course linking is.great you know guilds are totally not going to kittening die kittening hell that’s I’m out V overwatch here I come.

You knew Anet was going to change the pairings. As someone has already said in this thread, why on earth would you split up your guild on a pairing that you knew would change? You’re taking your own chances on that, and Anet has absolutely nothing to do with what this might or might not do to your guild.

It is not like Anet ever made any secret about the pairings changing. They even announced the date…..good grief…….mind boggling.

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World Linking 6/24/2016

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I love these new linkings! It shows that Anet is willing to try some different approaches, and that they learned something from the first linkings. I love the looks of the Tier that Kaineng is now in……FA’s tier also looks good. As long as BG is as is, T1 is pretty much screwed, but glad they unlinked BG at least.

The next 2 months will be truly fun, and as someone else said here….dynamic.
Looking forward to it! Will be exciting to see how it all works out.

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On the Validity of WvW surveys

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I would also like to make a comment on your “War Councils” remarks. If this game had been created with WvW in mind as some sort of ‘end game’ or as some sort of hardcore mode, then I might agree with your ‘war councils’ remarks. But this game was created with WvW as some sort of casual afterthought. Just the fact that the devs rarely communicated with the wvw playerbase for the first 3 years proves that. Players knowing about or not knowing about the ‘struggles of war councils’ doesn’t mean a thing in this game. Maybe if it was DaoC, or the upcoming Camelot Unchained….where wvw WAS/IS meant from the get go as being the ‘end game’ point…..maybe I might agree on that point. But wvw in GW2 has never been meant to be ultra serious or hardcore….the points don’t effect pve, in fact the points don’t even mean anything except for some vague wvw bragging rights.

Not sure why you would even bring up some sort of point like that for the type of casual, and whimsical form of wvw that exists in GW2.

War councils have nothing to do with why or why not wvw exists in this game. The general wvw playerbase(new and old alike) is why this game mode continues.

Jmo, of course.

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On the Validity of WvW surveys

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It is absolutely mind boggling to me how people can seriously compare a video game poll to political elections. It is like comparing apples to Buicks.

And I still completely disagree with your rationale, Smooth. Having a certain rank doesn’t mean a thing about ‘expertise’. All it is is a time measurement.

Again, the point I was making was that there are some who either don’t understand or don’t care about the vote results. Everyone’s gotta live with it, even if the results end up being bad. To further clarify, I’m not insinuating that DBL is bad. I’m speaking generally on any survey or vote in which people who don’t understand what they’re voting for, vote anyways.

Part time players who visit WvW only to do dailies don’t understand the struggles War Councils put up with to sustain the game mode. Some players make WvW their primary game mode, and thus would/should have more of a say to what Devs should focus on. That’s my personal opinion, of course.

I also pointed out that I do understand Anet’s side of it all. They made this game for anyone and everyone, so having the survey open to a large amount of players would be the correct thing. At this point I’m talking out both sides of my mouth, I know, but I’m trying to acknowledge different sides of the argument.

Ok, fair enough. I misinterpreted what I thought your original point was. Agreed that there are lots of different sides to these discussions.

My opinion is that Anet should keep these surveys wide open. You buy the game, you get a say.

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It is absolutely mind boggling to me how people can seriously compare a video game poll to political elections. It is like comparing apples to Buicks.

And I still completely disagree with your rationale, Smooth. Having a certain rank doesn’t mean a thing about ‘expertise’. All it is is a time measurement.

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We can talk all we want. We will find out if this poll results were healty and reflecting WwW community’s view when the Desert Borderlands are back. I only wish if the population starts to diminish again, Anet takes fast action instead of waiting for months.
I for one will not set foot to Desert Bl , if it comes back exactly the same way. If they make some real improvements before, then yes I will give it a quick try.

How would a mixed bls setup of 2 ABLS and 1 DBL affect the population? If the poll turns out that way, it would give all parties the bls that they want. And I am also hoping that they have already tweaked dbls some more, and will continue to do so once it comes back.

If the wvw population continues to dwindle, it is because of much more serious issues than just 1 bl that some might not like.

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Imho, limiting the polls to just those with 1000+ ranking would the absolute worst thing that Anet could do. A ranking of 1000+ only means one thing…..that a player has spent a lot of time in wvw. It doesn’t mean they know wvw or don’t know wvw….it just means they have spent a lot of time there.

Also, by setting the ranking so high, you’re also excluding any newer players that might be coming from other mmorpgs that they had massive wvw/rvr experience in. Just because they haven’t done much wvw in this game, doesn’t mean they don’t know good/bad wvw from other games they might have played. You’re also excluding newer players who might have bought GW2 just for the wvw, and have yet to reach any sort of minimum ranking due to the fact that they just got on board.

Plus, you’re also excluding those that might spend most of their time in wvw sieging or scouting. Important roles, to be sure, but not good for your ranking.

It just makes the whole polling thing way too “elitist” and exclusionary, imo.

Frankly, I think anyone that paid for the game deserves to vote in ANY poll. They put their money down like anyone else, so they should have a say.

I also seriously doubt that non-wvw’ers skewed this last poll in much of any way. Certainly not to the extent where keeping the dbls beat getting rid of the dbls by almost a 2-1 margin.

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World Linking 6/24/2016

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On a positive note, they did link 3 servers together. So that may hint that BG is not linked and there is a 3 server link in NA too.

Wouldn’t it be interesting if they unlinked BG, then linked the current lowest wvw population servers together and put those 3 into the current T3 or T4 wvw. Wonder how that might work out?

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I would think that Asus you listed would work quite nicely, as well as also being very good for other, more gpu intensive newer games. Also that unit would be very capable for quite a few years, imo.

It would certainly be very capable of running GW2 on max, or close to max settings most of the time.

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World Linking 6/24/2016

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None of the servers in EU linked with full servers are showing full. That will likely carry over to BG when NA reset happens. And I did vote against linking. Anyone in lower tiers could already tell you that this hasn’t fixed anything.

I’m on Kaineng, and getting linked to a T1 server certainly increased wvw action for us. We went from being almost a ghost town in wvw to suddenly having pretty much non stop activity in wvw. Sure, the blob warfare gets tiring, and roaming and havoc squads are a lot more challenging to do, but yea…..linking has definitely ‘fixed’ some things for the lower tiers.

And yea, it does come with problems….like loss of server identity, etc. But the linking has definitely given those of us on the lower tiers that wanted more action….it has given us lots more action.

Soooo many kills while roaming…. cause I can find targets now.

Yup…..never any shortage of targets anymore, that’s for sure. Certainly nothing like what Kaineng had become before the linking, huh?

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World Linking 6/24/2016

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None of the servers in EU linked with full servers are showing full. That will likely carry over to BG when NA reset happens. And I did vote against linking. Anyone in lower tiers could already tell you that this hasn’t fixed anything.

I’m on Kaineng, and getting linked to a T1 server certainly increased wvw action for us. We went from being almost a ghost town in wvw to suddenly having pretty much non stop activity in wvw. Sure, the blob warfare gets tiring, and roaming and havoc squads are a lot more challenging to do, but yea…..linking has definitely ‘fixed’ some things for the lower tiers.

And yea, it does come with problems….like loss of server identity, etc. But the linking has definitely given those of us on the lower tiers that wanted more action….it has given us lots more action.

if this was what you wanted all along, why didn’t you transfer? pretty sure the gold to convert to gems wasn’t that hard to get over the 3 years to do it….

I did, quite a few times, especially when Kaineng really started turning into a ghost town before the linking. But my wife has her main account on Kaineng, and she likes to wvw with me, instead of by herself. So I bought a second account awhile back when they were on that $10 sale, got a couple characters to 80……and now I can keep one account on Kaineng wvw, and another account on another server that is a little less blobby.

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World Linking 6/24/2016

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I’m on Kaineng, and getting linked to a T1 server certainly increased wvw action for us. We went from being almost a ghost town in wvw to suddenly having pretty much non stop activity in wvw. Sure, the blob warfare gets tiring, and roaming and havoc squads are a lot more challenging to do, but yea…..linking has definitely ‘fixed’ some things for the lower tiers.

And yea, it does come with problems….like loss of server identity, etc. But the linking has definitely given those of us on the lower tiers that wanted more action….it has given us lots more action.

Well glad it solved your problems then. The T3/T4 are taking up whereT6-T8 left off I guess. It may have made things better for you, but hasn’t fixed things elsewhere.

Also, I should mention that I do have 2 accounts. 1 is on Kaineng, my main server, while the other is on FA, a T2 ‘host’ server. So when I get tired of the constant blob warfare on T1, I can easily jump to my other account and enjoy a less blobby wvw server/world. A world where there is more havoc squads and roamers…..there are still blobs, but not near as bad as T1. Plus, a lot of the large open field fights aren’t as grossly massive as on T1.

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World Linking 6/24/2016

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I’m on Kaineng, and getting linked to a T1 server certainly increased wvw action for us. We went from being almost a ghost town in wvw to suddenly having pretty much non stop activity in wvw. Sure, the blob warfare gets tiring, and roaming and havoc squads are a lot more challenging to do, but yea…..linking has definitely ‘fixed’ some things for the lower tiers.

And yea, it does come with problems….like loss of server identity, etc. But the linking has definitely given those of us on the lower tiers that wanted more action….it has given us lots more action.

Well glad it solved your problems then. The T3/T4 are taking up whereT6-T8 left off I guess. It may have made things better for you, but hasn’t fixed things elsewhere.

Oh, I understand that. From reading here and on reddit, as well as listening to opinions in the game, it seems that the linking has done different things for different folks, depending on who they get linked to, how their server viewed wvw, etc.

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None of the servers in EU linked with full servers are showing full. That will likely carry over to BG when NA reset happens. And I did vote against linking. Anyone in lower tiers could already tell you that this hasn’t fixed anything.

I’m on Kaineng, and getting linked to a T1 server certainly increased wvw action for us. We went from being almost a ghost town in wvw to suddenly having pretty much non stop activity in wvw. Sure, the blob warfare gets tiring, and roaming and havoc squads are a lot more challenging to do, but yea…..linking has definitely ‘fixed’ some things for the lower tiers.

And yea, it does come with problems….like loss of server identity, etc. But the linking has definitely given those of us on the lower tiers that wanted more action….it has given us lots more action.

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World Linking 6/24/2016

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Don’t link BG, give the bottom pairing a third pairing. Like Main server + DH + whatever server would have gone to BG

Just as a test. i would like to see if BG had no pairing, how much would they still win by

I bet they could completely unlink BG, and BG would still win by at least 50k each week.

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Sounds like a great evening. I didn’t have much time to play last night, so I missed it.
I have my doubts if Kaineng will be going anywhere, so you TC players will probably be stuck with us for a bit longer.

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Love all of these ideas. Have proposed #2 myself… There used to be a buff like this, but I wanted to see something more impactful/noticeable when it’s NOT there.

Don’t get me wrong, as I really like most of the OP’s post. I think they’re great ideas…..for a game that had wvw in mind from the very start. It’s obvious that GW2 didn’t, due to the fact that they only recently starting showing any sort of interest in improving wvw.
While I think that some of the ideas might work in this game……I just don’t think that Anet really has a clear direction yet of where they want to go with wvw, since it was just an afterthought when the game started, and for at least a good 2 years beyond that.

But hey, if there was a possibility that they might work to improve this game mode , I would be all for it……what the heck!

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WvW is dead.

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Free XFers don’t work and HoD historically showed that. T1 never destacked to move to HoD for free tourney win, it was always the other servers in lower tiers that shuffled into HoD to stack it big.

There is no incentive to leave T1 unless your entire guild moves off and you like them more than the server. Or you hate the queues (which once again, are almost non existent again).

Instead of trying to destack T1, they should get more people into WvW so that T2/3 are also T1 competitive. T1 is basically the last place with somewhat 24/7 WvW action on NA and trying to gut that seems like a poorly thought idea.

I sorta agree, that’s why I think they should have just merged servers to create what you’re talking about. However, the counter argument is that people don’t like “Tier 1 playstyle”.

I agree. What players don’t realize it isn’t actually a " tier 1 playstyle", it is called a healthy and active large scale PvP arena instead. For a massively multiplayer game mode to be healthy and successful, it needs to have massive amounts of people enjoying it together. They do not seem to want it to be a large scale PvP battlefield arena at all.

You suggest that healthy means crowded. Yet players and guilds leave when there is a crowd and they can’t get through a queue. A true healthy WvW is when there is a mix of styles to attract a wide variety of player because WvW is a sandbox arena. People leave the lower tiers when the population gets too low to support large scale battles. People leave T1 when the population gets too crowded to support guilds who want to run on their own without being nothing more than a 15-man “havoc” or “gank” for a pugmander blob. Everyone has their own reasons for playing and seek different goals out of the sandbox. Crowds have a habit of enforcing/imposing only one goal on a sandbox.

Agreed. Good post.

The first couple of years when Anet really paid no attention to this mode let the players create the sandbox. Even with Anet’s recent renewed interest, it is going to be tough for them to break that mentality with the playerbase, imo.

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I have a feeling that the only ones that might change will be T3 and T4….maybe one or 2 in T2.

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On the Validity of WvW surveys

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Surveys are only as good as the person who creates it. They provide an outcome dependend on the question asked and the answers possible. The outcome has to be analysed and interpreted. In our specific case, we can ask many questions but it only provides us with a hint on what the opinions among the players participating is (not among all players). However, it does not tell us anything about why the players voted for what they voted for.

From a scientific perspective, the design of the surveys is simply horrible. I would not allow anyone using the data for a further analysis.

By all means, please provide your scientific critique of their survey methodology.

^^^ NOT productive.

Really? I generally find calling on someone to back up that sort of spurious claim is the best way to put it to rest. Either it’s not spurious, and they can demonstrate it, or else they don’t meet the challenge or they try and fail, showing everyone there was nothing supporting their claim.

Letting it hang out there though… I mean that’s how false information spreads.

Completely agree. Well said, Choppy.

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On the Validity of WvW surveys

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I think that any player that has paid for the game should be allowed to vote in ANY poll that concerns the game. (like it currently is….you have a paid account, you can get into these forums and vote)

This alone gets rid of any sort of elitist attitude when it comes to the polls.
(Ok, it doesn’t get rid of the elitist attitudes, but it pretty much makes them irrelevant)

Plus, it also irks those people to no end that think they, and they alone know what is best for the game. That’s an added bonus, imo.

So you are saying that someone that knows nothing about the game area being polled about should be able to vote on the questions about gameplay changes to that area? Sounds just like the voting system in the United States, so maybe you’re right!

It’s a game, not some potential politically changing vote. If they have paid for it, then they get to vote. I frankly don’t care if they have never played the part of the game that they’re voting on. Again, it is A GAME…for entertainment purposes. Too many players take mmorpgs way, way too seriously. I have been there and done that with DaoC in the early years, and it is not healthy. Blinds a lot of people from rational thought.

Heck, we don’t even have to pay a monthly sub on GW2.

None of these polls on wvw will be life changing, to anyone. Game changing maybe, but there are tons of other games out there, so that’s not a huge deal, either.
If any of this is life changing to someone, then my sincere sympathies.

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I think that any player that has paid for the game should be allowed to vote in ANY poll that concerns the game. (like it currently is….you have a paid account, you can get into these forums and vote)

This alone gets rid of any sort of elitist attitude when it comes to the polls.
(Ok, it doesn’t get rid of the elitist attitudes, but it pretty much makes them irrelevant)

Plus, it also irks those people to no end that think they, and they alone know what is best for the game. That’s an added bonus, imo.

The reality is though most MMORPG players do not want other players to attack them at all. It makes them feel bad when players can attack them. Safe zones are always far more popular than abandoned PvP zones. Of course if most PvE players vote on a WvW poll, it would be to remove PvP from WvW all together and have a place where you can run around and goof off and get rewards without worrying about being killed by players instead. They want to reduce the player skill involved to make it harder for WvW veterans to kill them and make is safer for them to be able to enjoy. By doing this of course, you will lose all the dedicated WvW players from the game.

Seriously, I don’t even pay much attention to your posts, anymore. The ‘know-it-all’ attitude is getting really old, and, imo, completely undermines any sort of possibly valid point you might be trying to make.

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It’s acceptable if the game is promoted as a primarily RvR game with some side pve just for leveling. It’s beyond unnacceptable in GW2 where WvW is a small niche game mode most ppl don’t even like.

Agreed with this. Would need to have been the plan from the start, with a different structure.

I have to agree with all of this, as well. The OP has some great suggestions, but GW2 was created as a PvE game with PvP. WvW was created just as some sort of side niche mode. The first few years of almost no communication from the devs on wvw shows what sort of small niche game mode they considered it.

The OP’s suggestions would be great for a game that had been developed with WvW intended as the end game, but in a game like GW2, where it is just an afterthought, the OP’s ideas would probably just cause more chaos, rather than actually improving it.

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What is the actual game plan here if many players leave the game again due to this?

Well, that’s obvious. More PvP tournaments, of course.

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I think that any player that has paid for the game should be allowed to vote in ANY poll that concerns the game. (like it currently is….you have a paid account, you can get into these forums and vote)

This alone gets rid of any sort of elitist attitude when it comes to the polls.
(Ok, it doesn’t get rid of the elitist attitudes, but it pretty much makes them irrelevant)

Plus, it also irks those people to no end that think they, and they alone know what is best for the game. That’s an added bonus, imo.

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As was said in another thread around 3 weeks ago……and it is still true today, and will still be true 6 months from now.

You may as well let LilDev keep ranting – cant be reasoned with on this subject.

sad thing – that was me who said it….. I can’t take my own advice….

lol….me either….although I have been trying to just ignore the obvious sorts of threads/posters that are pointless.

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As was said in another thread around 3 weeks ago……and it is still true today, and will still be true 6 months from now.

You may as well let LilDev keep ranting – cant be reasoned with on this subject.

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I’m starting to think Anet should probably just go back into silent mode, since we can’t even appreciate the effort they’re making in trying to communication with us lately, we begged and pleaded for years to be heard and now people just want to nitpick and break down everything they present to us.

These polls aren’t viable!, we have more pve players voting on stuff they don’t care about! sacrilegious!, we don’t have the hardcore players who quit two years ago voting! outrageous!, a rank 10 that gained a level this week gets to vote? wickedness!, well you worded it wrong it should be the other way so we get the majority of votes!, that guy has 20 accounts he spammed the votes the wrong way! lawlessness!,

Wait I thought this was a majority poll?, wait this wasn’t a majority poll? hold on I need my glasses, you didn’t explain this poll enough!, you explained the answers too much so people got confused!, you put too many yes answers so people got confused and didn’t vote no!, you need a year and 1000 ranks of experience to vote! the more ranks you get the more bonus votes you get veteran of the mist eotm’er!, they should hire a real professional survey company cause everything is random!

They have enough information on what to work on for the next year anyways.

LMAO!!!! Perfect.

My favorite ones were the ‘people with 20 accounts that skewed the poll’, and ‘you should have to be rank 1000 or above in wvw to vote’……..

Those ones made me cry I was laughing so hard.

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Jesus it never stops. Having a higher rank than someone else does not mean you know more about WvW than they do, or that you know anything about how WvW should work. It only means that you have enjoyed the game mode thus far, which biases you to not want it to change.

If you have a rank above 5000 that means jack squat, and you guys need to face that fact. You aren’t any better or more important than other/newer players. Whether you like it or not, the community has voted and the community has decided that they want DBL to stay. If you can’t handle that then leave. No one is forcing you to play WvW. No one is forcing you to play DBL. Absolutely no one. And no one is forcing you to complain. Ya’ll are just so buttsore that everyone doesn’t think exactly like you, but that doesn’t make you any better or worse than the people that think differently from you.

What does make you worse is your absolute kitten attitudes towards other players though.

I couldn’t agree more. Great post.

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I’m on TC … I find the overall post coming from BG a little surprising but even the #1 server likely has to experience some challenges. I generally enjoy fighting BG in ebg, there is some fun fights and skilled & coordinated players, like the QQ guys who are always up for some fights out front of an enemy keep. I’ll put in work if we have a driver who needs support too, I’m not opposed to fighting outnumbered, and more often than not I want to help support the driver. By not doing so, it kinda leads to people tagging up less frequently.

I think whether WvW was vibrant or barren, that Anet wouldn’t really care. it’s not a balanced game mode, it’s meant to be some weird hybrid of pvp/rvr/pve …

The only thing we ever can do is use what we have to create our fun … so if you like small scale skirmishing, do that, or large rvr style zerg battles (whether outnumbered or not) do that, hell I even know some people that just like to relax, crack open a few beers and scout… and chat in TS.

Even in the current almost queue-less style of WvW – just going out there and having fun with friends who play … that’s all you can really do. Just because we did that with large queues more frequently before, doesn’t mean we can’t do the same in a diminishing population.

Excellent post. Well said. And a wave to a fellow compadre….my second account is on Kaineng, and we still come out to fight to help our TC partners, no matter the odds.

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When is Desert Bl coming back? Tonight?

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I like how the most popular thread I make is also the dumbest thread I’ve ever made.

1. Ask stupid question on controversial issue
2. …….
3. Profit

I hope this thread gets tossed into a secret above-ground facility where its boxed and ….. like the arc of the lost convenant. even i have no motivation to finish the joke thats how dumb pointless this thread has become.

LMAO!!!! Well played……well played.

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Come to FA bud, #outnumbered buff 90% of the time and fighters who ain’t scared.

Agreed….FA is a ton of fun.

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I have a real hard time feeling sorry for BG. The fights aren’t there on T1 because BG wvw players massively outnumbers the other wvw’ers on servers on T1. It has nothing to do with fortifications, and everything to do with sheer numbers and the blob mentality that most BG players have. (Not all…there are still a few good fights to be had here and there).

On my other account, where I play on FA…..yea, we might get beat overall during the week, but there are usually lots of good fights to be had…..because the numbers of the wvw players on the servers is closer. And because of that, there is also a lot more variety in the fights that one finds. And fortifications are very similar there.

You’ll only get more fights on BG if the wvw player numbers on the servers in T1 get more even. And that is only going to happen when more BG wvw’ers transfer to other servers. Until then, enjoy the battlefield that you have created.

And yea, me and some of my other guildies from Kaineng still come out to fight, despite the overwhelming odds.

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Problem with separate beta testing is not many are going to actively download a separate client to test it, players are lazy, that’s why they even had to do focus testing for a couple days. Barely anyone showed up for the second beta test of the map, which in part was Anet’s fault in not notifying players properly, but players are not interested in testing in a separate area.

Fact of the matter is you will find more bugs in a shorter period of time in the live environment than you would with months of beta testing. That’s why they did a lot of live testing for the expansion, they don’t exactly have WoW’s numbers to do a separate beta test for everything.

And as mentioned above, Alpines had it’s problems that have been fixed over time (and still does but not really game breaking). Orbs were a major hacking problem that had to be taken out, eventually the lake was turned into the ruins to bring back the bloodlust buff from orbs. Latest problem was the siege in citadel which they have addressed.

A lot of dbl problems can be fixed if players go in and play, and report anything that seems broken, or write up anything that could be made better, instead of I DON’T LIKE IT SO JUST DELETE IT AND START OVER!.

For something like north towers not being useful, we’re going to have to rely on Anet to come up with something for them, there’s been like a dozen ideas thrown around, hopefully one seems reasonable.

Very well said, and I completely agree.

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Why should you care? You’re not going to be playing the one dbl that is out there when there are 2 abls and EB that you can play.

I play on all maps in the game because oh yer I don’t just stay on one map when I play. You pull players from one map to the other by targeting key objectives and forcing them to choose which they keep. You do this by utilizing all maps in play and make sure you prevent all teams from upgrading their structures on all maps. You force their hand by making them make hard choices to which keep they choose to defend and which they allow to go by ensuring they have to lose something important for every decision they make.

That is how you play WvW…

LOL. Thanks for the simplistic tutorial that I didn’t need.

But, I thought that you guys weren’t going to play dbl if it was still going to be in game?
Or has that changed, now?

Like I said, many will leave. I never left, I was the one who talked them into coming back last time. There will be some who remain for a while.. Time will tell how long that while is.

Yup. It remains to be seen how many actually will leave.

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Colour me confused

- wasn’t the Threshold 75%? wasn’t the threshold for the last Poll also 75%?

Neither Poll managed a 75% majority but one of them got through and one didn’t despite the one that didn’t having almost exactly the same amount of votes as the one that did….

I mean im happy with the results but im wary of any Polls in the future if the positive result threshold is just arbitrarily decided.

Just give us 3 different Maps and call it a day I say.

This poll was 75%….75% had to agree to get rid of dbls completely….that didn’t happen…by a long shot. The poll before this one didn’t have the 75% requirement.

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Why should you care? You’re not going to be playing the one dbl that is out there when there are 2 abls and EB that you can play.

I play on all maps in the game because oh yer I don’t just stay on one map when I play. You pull players from one map to the other by targeting key objectives and forcing them to choose which they keep. You do this by utilizing all maps in play and make sure you prevent all teams from upgrading their structures on all maps. You force their hand by making them make hard choices to which keep they choose to defend and which they allow to go by ensuring they have to lose something important for every decision they make.

That is how you play WvW…

LOL. Thanks for the simplistic tutorial that I didn’t need.

But, I thought that you guys weren’t going to play dbl if it was still going to be in game?
Or has that changed, now?

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Why should you care? You’re not going to be playing the one dbl that is out there when there are 2 abls and EB that you can play.

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We’re talking about the map structure itself.

There isn’t going to be any intrusive work done… if I recall correctly their methodology for DBL was to make low cost changes with big impact. This was justified by “because it is a live game”.

I’d wager that if we want a larger overhaul, which takes more than a trivial amount of dev time, it will not happen before bulk of the priority changes we voted are well underway, released or close to being released. Even then if they stick to their mantra it would not happen unless there was a poll and it was voted for. Structural overhaul of the map certainly qualifies as a major change.

So, until such a time the kind of changes we will likely see are the sort of stuff we have already seen or already know about.

THAT was why players wanted it to go back to Beta. The topography had to be made playable for all classes in all zones and that isn’t going to happen if it stays in the live game. Now it isn’t going to go back to beta because that was never an option to actually make the map playable for a PvP zone for all classes…

Give it a rest. The poll is now closed. DBL will be part of the live game along with ABL. The majority, by almost a 2-1 margin, have spoken.

All that is left to figure out is whether it will be a mixed bl or on a quarterly rotation with abl.

But, DBL will be in the live game, as per the poll results. End of story.

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We’re talking about the map structure itself.

There isn’t going to be any intrusive work done… if I recall correctly their methodology for DBL was to make low cost changes with big impact. This was justified by “because it is a live game”.

I’d wager that if we want a larger overhaul, which takes more than a trivial amount of dev time, it will not happen before bulk of the priority changes we voted are well underway, released or close to being released. Even then if they stick to their mantra it would not happen unless there was a poll and it was voted for. Structural overhaul of the map certainly qualifies as a major change.

So, until such a time the kind of changes we will likely see are the sort of stuff we have already seen or already know about.

Yea, that is what I have understood. Small tweaks and adjustments. The ones they made before dbls was yanked were good changes…..am hoping that continues. I don’t expect huge changes, and not even sure that I want huge changes. Opening up the center area some for larger open field battles that some posters and myself have suggested….I suppose that might be considered a large change…..maybe not. Overall, I am happy with the direction the current changes done to dbl were taking.

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