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Pretty much that – they put the poll up to shut the ‘delete DBL’ muppets up permanently.

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I don’t really play anymore; but wouldn’t the easiest solution to this, and to keep with variety….

Have Alpine/Desert/Edge of the Mists be the Borderland Maps?

I am all for abl/dbl……but no thanks on eotm. Eotm would need a huge rework before it could be a viable bl, imo.

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This is getting out of hand. Not everyone likes the same bl. So what they do is put them in rotations so everyone is happy at least sometimes. Doesn’t matter if you don’t like the bl because gw is not about making YOU happy. Learn to compromise like an adult and stop crying you don’t get your way all the time

Totally agree. I sure hope the mixed bls poll succeeds on some level, as I think a mixed bls would be a wonderful compromise.

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The result of the poll doesn’t really matter, Teon. I know the community will probably have enough sense to say they don’t want completed content removed from the game.

The whole point of my post was that Arenanet should never have even put this poll up. It makes them look like amateurs and it should never have made it past their PR department because it can only really do harm to the image of the developers, and the image of the game as a whole.

Agreed.

I think it probably comes from the fact that they didn’t communicate with wvw at all for the longest time. So now they’re over compensating somewhat.

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They got pulled because that loud minority were the only ones communicating with Anet. They were the ones that pushed for the type of communication you have now.

I will give you that. Might have lit a fire under somebody’s butt to give a kitten about WvW.

And in the case of the current poll, that vocal minority got a “be careful what you wish for” with that very communication.

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Actually, if you look at the current poll, it doesn’t look like the dbls are going away. And Anet most likely already had a good idea from their own metrics/data as to how this poll would turn out. I think it was probably a fairly low risk poll for Anet. Just gives them ammo in the future if people scream about the dbls again…..they can point to the current poll.

But I can certainly understand your concern over the direction that Anet might be taking. Some days the ideas/patches look great….other days, not so much.

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If there was a majority that liked the DBL, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

How so?

Where were they when the maps got pulled?

That’s a good/fair point. TBH, I think Anet pays too much attention to the loud minority on these forums. At the same time, I think the dbls were released too early, or Anet should have said they were beta testing them and looking for feedback on how to improve them. But then again, all that was before they started communicating with wvw players on these forums.

And with the current dbl poll, and then the upcoming mixed bls poll, I think Anet is trying to remedy the whole mess.

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If there was a majority that liked the DBL, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

How so? I think it has more to do with the minority on this subject just being extremely loud and persistent.

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Who gives a kitten when most of the people who vote are pve kittens who play WvW once a week?

That the new excuse going around these days for polls that don’t go your way? more pve players vote on the polls than the wvw players?

lol

How about how poorly and biased the poll’s have been worded? Do another poll Anet with something as concise as “Should we permanently remove the Dessert Borderlands: Yes or No?” With “YES” being first as every logical minded person would think and say it. It’s literally called a “yes–no question” for a reason!

This poll was doomed from the start with poor wording, poor staging, and from a “new” majority now being 75%. How many voting are even WvW players? How about a “Reward Track” for each poll where you have to earn the right to vote on a WvW issue? The more times you complete the reward track, the more your vote counts? That right there will take care of non WvW players and those with multiple accounts voting.

Oh the other excuse people are blindly voting the wrong way cause you think it’s not worded properly. It’s fine, there are more people who are willing to give the map a chance than those that want it removed permanently, stop crying about it and move on.

Completely agree. Apparently the vocal minority didn’t realize they were a minority.
The poll so far is even a surprise to me. I thought that ‘get rid of the dbls’ option would reach around 45%. Guess I even overestimated the size of the vocal minority.

That being said, I hope that Anet continues to tweak the dbls to make them more playable for more people.

Go look at the posts people are making. A common theme is, "I don’t like the dbl but if we vote to destroy it anet won’t make any new maps. "

People aren’t voting on whether or not they like the map or if they’ll play on it, they are voting to keep it out of fear of WvW being ignored again.

LOL. Ok, whatever you say.

You do realize that a very large portion of the people that are voting in the polls are being notified in game, and have never once(other than the polls) read or posted on the forums? So, if they haven’t posted or read here, then how would they know about this “common theme” conspiracy that you are convinced is going on?

Oh wait, that is probably also a part of the same conspiracy.

So…. You’re point is that on top of the group that allowed themselves to be scared into voting to keep the map, you also get the vote of the uninformed pve players that hop into wvw for 10 minutes to get their dailies….. okay.

Just because you don’t enjoy PvE doesn’t make PvE players uninformed. They know better than you do what they want to see out of a WvW map. You cannot tell them what a WvW map has to look like for them to enjoy it. Have you ever stopped and thought that there are some people who don’t play WvW because of the ABL?

Well said. JH doesn’t seem to understand that there is a very real possibility that the majority of people might disagree with his take/opinion on dbls.

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Who gives a kitten when most of the people who vote are pve kittens who play WvW once a week?

That the new excuse going around these days for polls that don’t go your way? more pve players vote on the polls than the wvw players?

lol

How about how poorly and biased the poll’s have been worded? Do another poll Anet with something as concise as “Should we permanently remove the Dessert Borderlands: Yes or No?” With “YES” being first as every logical minded person would think and say it. It’s literally called a “yes–no question” for a reason!

This poll was doomed from the start with poor wording, poor staging, and from a “new” majority now being 75%. How many voting are even WvW players? How about a “Reward Track” for each poll where you have to earn the right to vote on a WvW issue? The more times you complete the reward track, the more your vote counts? That right there will take care of non WvW players and those with multiple accounts voting.

Oh the other excuse people are blindly voting the wrong way cause you think it’s not worded properly. It’s fine, there are more people who are willing to give the map a chance than those that want it removed permanently, stop crying about it and move on.

Completely agree. Apparently the vocal minority didn’t realize they were a minority.
The poll so far is even a surprise to me. I thought that ‘get rid of the dbls’ option would reach around 45%. Guess I even overestimated the size of the vocal minority.

That being said, I hope that Anet continues to tweak the dbls to make them more playable for more people.

Go look at the posts people are making. A common theme is, "I don’t like the dbl but if we vote to destroy it anet won’t make any new maps. "

People aren’t voting on whether or not they like the map or if they’ll play on it, they are voting to keep it out of fear of WvW being ignored again.

LOL. Ok, whatever you say.

You do realize that a very large portion of the people that are voting in the polls are being notified in game, and have never once(other than the polls) read or posted on the forums? So, if they haven’t posted or read here, then how would they know about this “common theme” conspiracy that you are convinced is going on?

Oh wait, that is probably also a part of the same conspiracy.

So…. You’re point is that on top of the group that allowed themselves to be scared into voting to keep the map, you also get the vote of the uninformed pve players that hop into wvw for 10 minutes to get their dailies….. okay.

Like I said, whatever you say. /wink

You just can’t handle your views of dbls being in the obvious minority, huh?

Lol look at the post right above yours.

Yea, Jim, because one post makes real consensus, or as you say “theme”, whereas a poll with exponentially greater numbers voting means nothing to you. What a unique and novel approach to a logical thought process.

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Who gives a kitten when most of the people who vote are pve kittens who play WvW once a week?

That the new excuse going around these days for polls that don’t go your way? more pve players vote on the polls than the wvw players?

lol

How about how poorly and biased the poll’s have been worded? Do another poll Anet with something as concise as “Should we permanently remove the Dessert Borderlands: Yes or No?” With “YES” being first as every logical minded person would think and say it. It’s literally called a “yes–no question” for a reason!

This poll was doomed from the start with poor wording, poor staging, and from a “new” majority now being 75%. How many voting are even WvW players? How about a “Reward Track” for each poll where you have to earn the right to vote on a WvW issue? The more times you complete the reward track, the more your vote counts? That right there will take care of non WvW players and those with multiple accounts voting.

Oh the other excuse people are blindly voting the wrong way cause you think it’s not worded properly. It’s fine, there are more people who are willing to give the map a chance than those that want it removed permanently, stop crying about it and move on.

Completely agree. Apparently the vocal minority didn’t realize they were a minority.
The poll so far is even a surprise to me. I thought that ‘get rid of the dbls’ option would reach around 45%. Guess I even overestimated the size of the vocal minority.

That being said, I hope that Anet continues to tweak the dbls to make them more playable for more people.

Go look at the posts people are making. A common theme is, "I don’t like the dbl but if we vote to destroy it anet won’t make any new maps. "

People aren’t voting on whether or not they like the map or if they’ll play on it, they are voting to keep it out of fear of WvW being ignored again.

LOL. Ok, whatever you say.

You do realize that a very large portion of the people that are voting in the polls are being notified in game, and have never once(other than the polls) read or posted on the forums? So, if they haven’t posted or read here, then how would they know about this “common theme” conspiracy that you are convinced is going on?

Oh wait, that is probably also a part of the same conspiracy.

So…. You’re point is that on top of the group that allowed themselves to be scared into voting to keep the map, you also get the vote of the uninformed pve players that hop into wvw for 10 minutes to get their dailies….. okay.

Like I said, whatever you say. /wink

You just can’t handle your views of dbls being in the obvious minority, huh?

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Who gives a kitten when most of the people who vote are pve kittens who play WvW once a week?

That the new excuse going around these days for polls that don’t go your way? more pve players vote on the polls than the wvw players?

lol

How about how poorly and biased the poll’s have been worded? Do another poll Anet with something as concise as “Should we permanently remove the Dessert Borderlands: Yes or No?” With “YES” being first as every logical minded person would think and say it. It’s literally called a “yes–no question” for a reason!

This poll was doomed from the start with poor wording, poor staging, and from a “new” majority now being 75%. How many voting are even WvW players? How about a “Reward Track” for each poll where you have to earn the right to vote on a WvW issue? The more times you complete the reward track, the more your vote counts? That right there will take care of non WvW players and those with multiple accounts voting.

Oh the other excuse people are blindly voting the wrong way cause you think it’s not worded properly. It’s fine, there are more people who are willing to give the map a chance than those that want it removed permanently, stop crying about it and move on.

Completely agree. Apparently the vocal minority didn’t realize they were a minority.
The poll so far is even a surprise to me. I thought that ‘get rid of the dbls’ option would reach around 45%. Guess I even overestimated the size of the vocal minority.

That being said, I hope that Anet continues to tweak the dbls to make them more playable for more people.

Go look at the posts people are making. A common theme is, "I don’t like the dbl but if we vote to destroy it anet won’t make any new maps. "

People aren’t voting on whether or not they like the map or if they’ll play on it, they are voting to keep it out of fear of WvW being ignored again.

LOL. Ok, whatever you say.

You do realize that a very large portion of the people that are voting in the polls are being notified in game, and have never once(other than the polls) read or posted on the forums? So, if they haven’t posted or read here, then how would they know about this “common theme” conspiracy that you are convinced is going on?

Oh wait, that is probably also a part of the same conspiracy.

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Chances are, the dbls and abls will be in some sort of mixed configuration, so none of us really know what sort of participation there might be with a mixed bls sort of setup.
Hopefully that happens, as I think it would be interesting to see some sort of mixed bls setup.

Having mixed BLs gives people options to choose from. It also will allow ANet to get better metrics on map activity and allow them a work in progress spot for additional map changes. Be that to DBL or ABL or a new map.

Completely agree.

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Until we have the vote deciding how a possible implementation look like – since the vote where 70% in favor of mixed borders was disapproved by Anet – I stick by my statement:

I will vote for the border to be removed period, anything else is too risky for the overall wellbeing of the community.

Imagine if we have this vote, decide to keep desert. And then they make another kittened beyond belief poll with confused wording and the majority of the community once again get steamrolled by the minority on a default ruling? No. Just no.

Apparently you missed the post from the devs saying that they were going to reword and redo the 1bl-2bl mixed bls poll…..AFTER this poll.

Apparently you missed reading the first kitten sentence in the post you quote. I know its going to be redone – I read this poll options too. I just dont trust Anet to do it better until I see it. If the vote is just do you want mixed borders or not without the assumption that not getting 75% on mixed will mean we get quarterly rotations then fine. I think mixed would easily win. But again, I dont trust Anet with that at this point in time. I would be happy if the outcome is what people here assume will happen. I will laugh if Anet pushes everyone up against a wall and go for quarterly rotations on default ruling because it’s a poll with 5 different choices and a 75% requirement on one of them.

Fair enough. I did miss that first sentence of your post. I have been here long enough that I should know better than to skim posts if I am going to reply.

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So if the DBL come back since there seems to be a majority that want it back from the polls I better not see EBG have queues while the DBL are empty.

LOL. And what if you do see that? I, for one, will be waiting with anticipation to see what sort of dire consequences you have in mind with your motherly “I better not see that” threat.

Chances are, the dbls and abls will be in some sort of mixed configuration, so none of us really know what sort of participation there might be with a mixed bls sort of setup.
Hopefully that happens, as I think it would be interesting to see some sort of mixed bls setup.

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LOL…..bet we’re going to see a lot more goofy idea threads in the next few days, as the dbl haters take out their frustrations realizing that dbl is not going anywhere due to the mysterious majority of dbl haters(that so many of them claimed existed) that obviously never showed up for the poll.

I need to get more popcorn for the upcoming show.

Fwiw, I am not crazy about dbls, although I had started getting used to them. The dbls still need lots of tweaks, which I think we will see. But I AM all for more variety in wvw, and keeping the dbls around helps provide more variety, imo.

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wall of text above

Some of us still like to win each week FYI. In having dissimilar maps, doing so would completely toss match balance out the window. If they brought DBL back as one map, the World with it as Home BL would have an advantage. If they brought it back as all three BL’s on a rotation, then players would stack Eb or not even play. So I do not see a way in which the DBL does not hurt the mode in any potential scenario.

It won’t hurt those players/groups that can and are willing to adapt.

For one example…..I know quite a few roamers and small havoc squads that will love having dbls back out there in some sort of rotation.

You may hate them, but obviously, as is currently being indicated by the polls…..you’re in the minority.

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Who gives a kitten when most of the people who vote are pve kittens who play WvW once a week?

That the new excuse going around these days for polls that don’t go your way? more pve players vote on the polls than the wvw players?

lol

How about how poorly and biased the poll’s have been worded? Do another poll Anet with something as concise as “Should we permanently remove the Dessert Borderlands: Yes or No?” With “YES” being first as every logical minded person would think and say it. It’s literally called a “yes–no question” for a reason!

This poll was doomed from the start with poor wording, poor staging, and from a “new” majority now being 75%. How many voting are even WvW players? How about a “Reward Track” for each poll where you have to earn the right to vote on a WvW issue? The more times you complete the reward track, the more your vote counts? That right there will take care of non WvW players and those with multiple accounts voting.

Oh the other excuse people are blindly voting the wrong way cause you think it’s not worded properly. It’s fine, there are more people who are willing to give the map a chance than those that want it removed permanently, stop crying about it and move on.

Completely agree. Apparently the vocal minority didn’t realize they were a minority.
The poll so far is even a surprise to me. I thought that ‘get rid of the dbls’ option would reach around 45%. Guess I even overestimated the size of the vocal minority.

That being said, I hope that Anet continues to tweak the dbls to make them more playable for more people.

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Just a heads up……concerning the mixed bls poll…..

From the thread:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/WvW-Poll-31-May-Mixed-Borderlands-CLOSED/page/8

The results turned out more mixed than we think will be good for the future health of the game. For that reason we are going to run a “Remove Desert Borderlands?” poll first and then run a variation of this poll again. The updated poll will be reworded for clarification due to large amounts of feedback that many of the ‘No’ votes were cast with a misunderstanding of what they meant.

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We previously voted on what map rotation we’d want and most of us said 2 Alpine 1 Desert. What’s wrong with that concept? Everyone wins.

There was absolutely nothing wrong with it. But Anet said nope, 70% is not a sufficient majority. The 30% wins by default ruling.

Either way, this poll is pretty much done for already. With the current trend there is absolutely no way for the removal of desert to reach the required 75%. Hence, we gonna get it. I dread the next poll on its implementation as the oucome will be decided by what Anets decide is the default ruling and how many options are available. If its 3 months of only desert again… GG community. GG.

We were told it needed 75% in total from the start of the poll, and yet 30% chose to keep the 3 month rotation instead of going with the 2/1. Whether that was a legit 30% that really wanted the rotation, or if it involved a group of disgruntled players who were trying to sabotage that poll, because they were under the impression they could vote out the desert bl in a future poll, who knows.

The poll is here to vote it out, and they can see for themselves now, it’s not going to win.

So now I believe the poll for rotation will come up again, this time without the chance to vote out the desert borderland in the future, are those 30% that voted for 3 month rotation going to change their mind?

Yup, devs posted that they were going to reword and redo that bl mixing poll AFTER this poll.

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Until we have the vote deciding how a possible implementation look like – since the vote where 70% in favor of mixed borders was disapproved by Anet – I stick by my statement:

I will vote for the border to be removed period, anything else is too risky for the overall wellbeing of the community.

Imagine if we have this vote, decide to keep desert. And then they make another kittened beyond belief poll with confused wording and the majority of the community once again get steamrolled by the minority on a default ruling? No. Just no.

Apparently you missed the post from the devs saying that they were going to reword and redo the 1bl-2bl mixed bls poll…..AFTER this poll.

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I really like this change. Will be interesting to see how/if it changes wvw tactics.

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The poll has ended! After removing all votes for “Don’t Count My Vote” the final results are:

38.1% Reevaluate match-ups monthly.
28.9% Reevaluate match-ups quarterly.
15.9% Reevaluate match-ups every other month.
11.6% Reevaluate match-ups every 6 months.
5.5% Reevaluate match-ups every 4 months.

After analyzing the results we have decided to go with a 2 month world linking evaluation schedule because the majority of players voted for evaluations to be more frequent than quarterly but less frequent than monthly. Since we have decided to reevaluate every 2 months we will be reevaluating the current world links and making adjustments on the very last Friday of every even month starting this month on the 24th. Thank you to everyone who voted!

I’m afraid that you do not understand the system of a plurality vote. In the last poll, 70% wanted 1 Desert and 2 Alpine borderlands. But you said, it wasn’t enough, so the vote were meaningless.
Now, the majority wants monthly change, but again you say it’s not enough. So you choose a system, no one voted for. Are you kidding me? If this goes on, you can keep your polls for yourself and don’t annoy us with these anymore!

There was no percentage threshold established for this poll, they were probably more interested in seeing what option people would vote for, but since it was so mixed with no real winner, top choice only receiving 38% hardly a majority. They made a compromise between the top two choices to meet in the middle.

I have to agree. Anet never said there was any sort of ‘minimum percentage’ needed for this vote, so I figured it was just for giving them a general direction.

I think 2 months is a good compromise.

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If I wasn’t based on Kaineng, I would probably hit ya up for an invite. But being on KN, no telling where we’ll be in another month or two.

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Unfortunately the linking will transform the types of cultures that exists on the guest servers. They will become like roadside motels or hostels. Shady and transient.

I feel bad for those that invested their time to build those communities. They should be compensated somehow.

I’m with ya Torque. We’re trying to be optimistic about what our communities can do with this situation we are stuck with, so…..

For those of us who are permanent guests with no home to call our own, the only option I see going forward is to embrace it and make it part of our culture – on Kaineng, our guild is leaning towards rebranding us as the Party Bus since we’re already known as a great place for non-serious fight-lovin’ roamers; I guess we will just be the best traveling circus we can be! As far as ‘shady and transient’ goes, that resonates because well, we were already a little shady.

Here’s to whatever we can make of it! And to our T8 kin, best of luck and hoot hoot from Owls.

Nanesh

I sure hear ya, Nanesh. Good to read that you’re going to try to make the best of it.

Pretty sure, since they opened most of the servers for transfers again…..that I am going to move my 2nd account back to Kaineng(to help my wife and guild when they might be doing some wvw)…..but think I am going to find a solid T2-T3 host server for my main account. I am not relishing getting tossed around as the guest server……time to get my main on a good host…..some place that is not treated as an asterisk, and some place that is not near constant blob wars.

Sad times. (Although will still see you out there on my 2nd account from time to time)

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Uh oh maybe I spoke too soon about this being the way to do it. Looks like people who think 3 months is too long are splitting their votes between 1 and 2 months. That could give the win to the unwanted choice.

Maybe they should’ve said:
1. Less than quarterly.
2. Quarterly.
3. More than quarterly.

I hope that in the case no one option gets > 50%, the developers will interpret data in a fashion least likely to alienate the majority.

At the time I write this, the shorter options add up to being the most popular.

Monthly at 32.7%, per 2 months at 19.2%, per 3 months at 27.7%, per 4 months at 4%, and per 6 months at 9.1%, and No Vote at 7.4%.

There are (at this moment) a lot of people who want a relink duration shorter than the current plan, a fair number who want the duration to stay the same, and relatively few who want a longer linking period.

Based on this data, a relinking period of 6-8 weeks would probably work as a reasonable compromise. A period of 12+ weeks would not be justified by these results.

Every six weeks would be a good option, imo.

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Since they just opened up all the servers to transfers again, I think this will be a good week for me to get my main account transferred to a good host server. I have had it with being a ‘guest’ in wvw…..time to find myself some solid host server where I won’t get shuffled around as some guest every month or so. Somewhere that won’t be blob wars all the time.

And then use my 2nd account as all pve/some wvw on Kaineng.

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So this is obviously (hopefully) not a poll where 75% is needed for the majority choice to be implemented. Which I think is good.

This is how a poll should be – give us some choices, see what the players preferences are; but then Anet make the choice of what to do based on our poll driven feedback. This is how the mixed BL vote should have been done.

I would say 3 months is too long. So I think the only two good choices are 1 month or 2 months. (I personally think even 2 months is too long, 4-6 weeks would be the best). Any longer and matchups just get stale. You can see the big drop-off of population after a month.

I am hoping this is why they made the poll with so many options……just to get a general idea on what the playerbase thinks, but in the end, Anet making the final decision on it.

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Servers opening up is a good thing for me. Think I will look into transferring one of my accounts into a T3-T4-ish host server, so I don’t have to worry about getting tossed around from host server to host server every month or so on one of my accounts.

Any comments out there on how NSP or FA is doing?

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Great poll. So many options that you can’t possibly get any sort of definitive direction that the playerbase might want you to go.

Yeah this is pretty much the only problem with it, hopefully they aren’t sticking with that 75% nonsense. If it’s more than 2 choices it needs to be majority wins.

Yup. Agreed.

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Great poll. So many options that you can’t possibly get any sort of definitive direction that the playerbase might want you to go.

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Did that stand “win” anything? No – it probably flipped 10 minutes after it got upgraded as we logged out. Was it fun? Yes – It was fun, win or lose, because of how long it lasted and how many pushes we survived.

This is exactly why I play wvw. For the sheer fun of those long lasting battles, be they large or small. When I can’t get or find those, I enjoy just trying to be a bother to an enemy server by taking camps and/or helping with causing distractions on the map.
I also enjoy scouting/providing intel from time to time.(yea, ok, I’m weird….lol)

But, I also agree with Heimlich…….for a lot of other players, there needs to be more incentive to play wvw. The reward tracks were a good baby step in that direction, and the upcoming scoring changes sound good, too.

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I’m with Phantom (often in the evening, standing right next to you or on the same map actually.) Some of the shiny is wearing off. Absolutely. Really my only major complaint is the lack of a public tag. But see this is where I don’t go off the rails and take other people to task about that. I have a tag. Therefore if I’m not willing to use it I am certainly not going to give other people crap about running in a private group.

We still have a number of players who are playing that took a long break. Faces I haven’t seen in over a year are returning. It got a bit quieter and I’m not sure that is a bad thing.

As people point out every year around this time, it is also the beginning of summer for many of us. Outdoors is a much more attractive option especially on the weekend.

Plus I just bought Doom and Overwatch.

I am with Phantom and Father Bliss on this. I may be playing wvw a bit less being paired with TC(Kaineng) due to the BG blobfest, but am still playing out there and trying to support our pairing partners. I, too, have a tag, and won’t use it…..so if others want to make their tags private, that’s their business.

And yea, the matchup is getting a bit dull. Fortunately, I have a second account on T4 that I can retreat to for variety. Plus, I also have tons of other games I can play.

And there is always my HoT masteries to work on.

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You need to read the entire Mixed borderlands poll thread, as Tyler said this toward the end of the thread:

The results turned out more mixed than we think will be good for the future health of the game. For that reason we are going to run a “Remove Desert Borderlands?” poll first and then run a variation of this poll again. The updated poll will be reworded for clarification due to large amounts of feedback that many of the ‘No’ votes were cast with a misunderstanding of what they meant.

Your “new topic” is old and has already been addressed at length by both forums posters and the devs.

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It’s best to keep servers linked in order to split up bandwagon servers. The problem is that 3 months is way too long and should only last a month before changing pairings. Those who want to blobwagon will have to keep paying for it.

Completely agree.

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Tyler deserves to go have a beer in peace now, I think many of you could use one too.

Will look forward to having another round of polls coming. The DBL GTFO – (which I hope fails as you need variety for longevity, does not mean you need to enter, but some like it), and the squeal to this one. Hopefully by the time they run live, everyone understands the impacts and weight of their vote. (let alone understand the vote)

Well said.

Go get bombed Tyler, in a good way

This will be interesting now since this poll will be redone.

Watch them decrease the percentage to 60% needed for the get rid of dbls poll so that they then don’t have to bother with any of these bl polls ever again.

Hypothetically though since this poll will be redone, it could lead people to not vote against the dbl opting instead to wait to vote once again for the simultaneous implementation. Either way it will be quite interesting.

Oh yea, I agree. Was just letting my warped sense of humor out of the box.

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Tyler deserves to go have a beer in peace now, I think many of you could use one too.

Will look forward to having another round of polls coming. The DBL GTFO – (which I hope fails as you need variety for longevity, does not mean you need to enter, but some like it), and the squeal to this one. Hopefully by the time they run live, everyone understands the impacts and weight of their vote. (let alone understand the vote)

Well said.

Go get bombed Tyler, in a good way

This will be interesting now since this poll will be redone.

Watch them decrease the percentage to 60% needed for the get rid of dbls poll so that they then don’t have to bother with any of these bl polls ever again.

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Tyler deserves to go have a beer in peace now, I think many of you could use one too.

Will look forward to having another round of polls coming. The DBL GTFO – (which I hope fails as you need variety for longevity, does not mean you need to enter, but some like it), and the squeal to this one. Hopefully by the time they run live, everyone understands the impacts and weight of their vote. (let alone understand the vote)

Well said.

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The results turned out more mixed than we think will be good for the future health of the game. For that reason we are going to run a “Remove Desert Borderlands?” poll first and then run a variation of this poll again. The updated poll will be reworded for clarification due to large amounts of feedback that many of the ‘No’ votes were cast with a misunderstanding of what they meant.

How about we have a poll to “rework or remove dbl” instead?

We would get into the mess of the last poll, again. They need to keep it super simple….option 1: Get rid of dbls, option 2: Keep dbls…….

If option 2 passes, THEN ask about reworking.

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The results turned out more mixed than we think will be good for the future health of the game. For that reason we are going to run the “Remove Desert Borderlands?” poll first and then run a variation of this poll again. The updated poll will be reworded for clarification due to large amounts of feedback that many of the ‘No’ votes were cast with a misunderstanding of what they meant.

Good news Tyler thank you, this makes more sense. Any chance there will be a reconsideration of lowering the percentage threshold down from 75% to say 66% or two thirds.

Lowering the threshold at this point would only destroy the credibility of the polling process. 75% was a very poor number to begin with, but they’ve made their bed, now.

I dont know about that, if it were presented properly that lowering the threshold makes it easier for everyone, I think it would really help a lot. Simply having the attitude that improvements cant be made because of possible negative perceptions is a very bad path to take.

I don’t disagree with you. The initial 75% was a bad number, imo, but that number needs to now stay, for this series of “lands” polls…..otherwise the credibility of this set of polls is completely obliterated, imho. Maybe after the dbl/abl mess is sorted out, then Anet/Tyler could say something like, “for the next series of polls, we will just be asking for a super majority, ie 65% for a poll to pass”.

I think that would be a good and acceptable fix.

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Personally, I voted ‘Yes’ to this, as did the rest of my team. So we are also disappointed with the result. But that was an accepted risk when we decided to poll the community about WvW development rather than just following our own vision.

That makes absolutely so sense since you set up a trap in the wording/design of the poll to force rotating borderlands unless a practically impossible goal was reached – and despite that votes in favor of mixed borderlands still reached 93% of the way to that goal.

Look at Tyler’s latest response concerning redoing the rotation poll due to the confusing wording/options of the poll.

I can’t wait for the ensuing chaos.

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The results turned out more mixed than we think will be good for the future health of the game. For that reason we are going to run the “Remove Desert Borderlands?” poll first and then run a variation of this poll again. The updated poll will be reworded for clarification due to large amounts of feedback that many of the ‘No’ votes were cast with a misunderstanding of what they meant.

Good news Tyler thank you, this makes more sense. Any chance there will be a reconsideration of lowering the percentage threshold down from 75% to say 66% or two thirds.

Lowering the threshold at this point would only destroy the credibility of the polling process. 75% was a very poor number to begin with, but they’ve made their bed, now.

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The results turned out more mixed than we think will be good for the future health of the game. For that reason we are going to run a “Remove Desert Borderlands?” poll first and then run a variation of this poll again. The updated poll will be reworded for clarification due to large amounts of feedback that many of the ‘No’ votes were cast with a misunderstanding of what they meant.

Great news.

I guess.

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Congratulations all you anti-DBL people! Due to you inability to vote for your least hated option (2 ABL 1 DBL) you now get ALL DBL FOR A FULL QUARTER!!!!

They are not going to put “delete DBL” up to a real vote. The vote to remove DBL won’t hit 75% either. They advertised it with HoT (like legendaries) and we remember that cluster of cute kittens. If your side couldn’t get a 75% to minimize the mix, you probably won’t get 75% to remove it either. You all had your chance to minimize the exposure. I even threw a vote your way while I prefer DBL.

Now, for a quarter at a time, roaming PvE guilds get their wish. Congrats!

And we don’t get the chance at a 3rd map too. Way to vote against the only new WvW content in the past year AND future content.

Got to completely agree with one of my wvw cohorts-in-arms. It is truly mind boggling, Kyl.

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Personally, I voted ‘Yes’ to this, as did the rest of my team. So we are also disappointed with the result. But that was an accepted risk when we decided to poll the community about WvW development rather than just following our own vision.

Problem is now people like me who didn’t like the dbl but were prepared to accept both maps at once will be basically forced to vote against it ever returning it again…And now I am going to feel really bad if it gets to 75% for all those people who like the dbl and to all the devs who worked on it…

This whole mess, just a giant wasted opportunity…

I, frankly, don’t even see a reason to vote in any of the upcoming polls. Seriously, why bother? Not sure why I voted in any of the past ones, either.

Well this one is definitely an exception because it was riddled with problems, but in general its a good way to prioritize plans for the future. Cant simply downplay the value because it doesn’t go your way.

Has absolutely nothing to do with going my way or not. I like dbls, so having them for a 3 month stretch of time is ok by me.

But I don’t feel, with the horribly confusing wording and options of the poll, and then Tyler’s even more confusing response on that the devs also wanted a rotation….that the majority will of the players was even somewhat represented in the results.

It was more of a general statement, not a personal one. They should redo how the polls are presented and how they are used

-Simpler wording
-Less options to avoid confusion and cluttering percentages when there is a requirement for change
-Lower percentage requirement to say two thirds, its not a simple majority but still high enough that it would show a generally favorable view of that option
-When having a poll, dont make announcements about other polls that could have an effect on the current one

Got ya…no prob.

They can certainly make the wording and options more clear and concise, but at this point, they cannot change their super super majority. As someone else said in another post, if they do that now, ALL credibility for these polls will completely evaporate.

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Also next poll will be rigged, people will vote to remove desert bl just because it will be in rotation every 4 months, because you- Anet have decided to do it and ignore 70% of players.

I very much agree with this… but they have to stick to their decisions, they decided 75% majority would be needed for all major game changes… going back on it now would not be fair.

However, I don’t think the next poll about removal of DBL entirely will be a representative sample either, because of the reasons you pointed out. Unfortunately, nothing they can do about it… if they change their minds now, all credibility of these and future polls will be voided.

Completely agree.

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Personally, I voted ‘Yes’ to this, as did the rest of my team. So we are also disappointed with the result. But that was an accepted risk when we decided to poll the community about WvW development rather than just following our own vision.

Problem is now people like me who didn’t like the dbl but were prepared to accept both maps at once will be basically forced to vote against it ever returning it again…And now I am going to feel really bad if it gets to 75% for all those people who like the dbl and to all the devs who worked on it…

This whole mess, just a giant wasted opportunity…

I, frankly, don’t even see a reason to vote in any of the upcoming polls. Seriously, why bother? Not sure why I voted in any of the past ones, either.

Well this one is definitely an exception because it was riddled with problems, but in general its a good way to prioritize plans for the future. Cant simply downplay the value because it doesn’t go your way.

Has absolutely nothing to do with going my way or not. I like dbls, so having them for a 3 month stretch of time is ok by me.

But I don’t feel, with the horribly confusing wording and options of the poll, and then Tyler’s even more confusing response on that the devs also wanted a mixed rotation….that the majority will of the players was even somewhat represented in the results.

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Personally, I voted ‘Yes’ to this, as did the rest of my team. So we are also disappointed with the result. But that was an accepted risk when we decided to poll the community about WvW development rather than just following our own vision.

Problem is now people like me who didn’t like the dbl but were prepared to accept both maps at once will be basically forced to vote against it ever returning it again…And now I am going to feel really bad if it gets to 75% for all those people who like the dbl and to all the devs who worked on it…

This whole mess, just a giant wasted opportunity…

I, frankly, don’t even see a reason to vote in any of the upcoming polls. Seriously, why bother? Not sure why I voted in any of the past ones, either.

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Personally, I voted ‘Yes’ to this, as did the rest of my team. So we are also disappointed with the result. But that was an accepted risk when we decided to poll the community about WvW development rather than just following our own vision.

“Our vision was to have rotating BLs.”

“70% instead of 75% voted for rotating BLs.”

“Sigh, let’s follow what the community wants and give those 30% something that we don’t see as good ourselves.”

Huh?

I got to completely agree with this. The devs wanted the rotation, as well, yet 30% drive this direction of wvw?

Makes about as much sense as lipstick on a pig.

Sorry, but at this point, I give up. You guys are suddenly making no sense whatsoever. You start out with some decent polls, great communication, and then you act like you’re suffering altitude sickness and making absolutely no sense at all in the wording of a poll, and even less sense in how the poll is decided.

I’ll just keep playing wvw. As long as I am having fun, I will keep playing it. Once it becomes dull, and/or too messed up, I will play other parts of the game until someone else gives a logical and reasonable stab at large scale wvw in another mmorpg.

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Where is the option “No Desert BL’s at all” on the pool?

You need to keep up….that comes 2 polls down the road.

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