I think the message that most players should be taking from this thread is that simply because celestial makes all of your stats “okay” does not mean any of them are good or even great…. and the only time you will really truly reap the benefits of celestial gear is in a scenario other than general pve.
Or you have a class that can utilize all of the cele stats and already have a group with sufficient stats as to not warrant going any other stat combination.
Please, oh endowed one, enlighten me with the knowledge you possess which evades me and the rest of the veteran community as to which class is better off running celestial stats over berzerker’s (in general pve).
Reading on these forums is certainly strong i see.
I said certain classes yes, the two predominate ones being Ele and Engie. They both can utilizes the stats far greater than any other class out there. Does it make it optimal, no.
It also means that should a party as stated above already have sufficient damage output, it doesn’t matter what stats you bring. To prove this all you have to do is go join a “zerk only” run where they never ask you to ping gear and wear any other stat.
9/10 times you wont even get the odd look.
That is your reasoning? You essentially stated that it doesn’t matter if you are running less optimal stats since you can be carried by a majority zerk team. LOL
If a team of 4 zerkers are capable of completing a dungeon without a 5th person, imagine how much faster and smoother things would go with a 5th party member who is actually contributing the same amount as everyone else.
How can you even attempt to use this to justify the use of gear that provides less optimal stats?
In the game, there is no group content that a veteran player has not repeated over and over and over and over again. There is no more stopping to smell the flowers…. and the only reason anyone does COF p1 (for example) for the 600th time is for the money.
When all you want is the money, you want to get from the start of the dungeon to your money as fast and as efficiently as possible.
Otherwise you are just wasting minutes of your life one dungeon or fractal run at a time.
All the healing power toughness and vitality in the world will never make a run go any faster…. and any gear with those stats is a waste in an optimal group.
See this is the common misconception of the people who think they understand the speed run crowd.
You claim they aren’t contributing as much, which is solely based on the DPS output. Imagine for a second that each of the 4 you claim are zerker are playing perfectly (unrealistic). At some point there’s only so much damage you can realistically dish out before you achieve overkill. I.E if the boss has 500k HP and you are all doing 125K adding another person is irrelevant regardless of outgoing damage. It wont speed things up, and it wont slow anything down.
Now then since we know that every zerker isnt playing flawlessly, lets get to what adding another person who is providing even the slightest support can do.
Healing – Keeps your party above the 90% threshold allowing your scholar runes/ traits etc to stay in effect
Of the two classes i mentioned both Ele and Engie can do this frequently enough and provide near permanent uptime on sustain boons (prot/regen) for the party.
Again not claiming to be optimal, but claiming viable. Does it matter if the dungeon is completely 200nanoseconds slower ? If it does then please by all means kick the guy. But i’m almost 90% sure you or any other speed run player would be hard pressed to know who in the group isn’t holding their own if you aren’t a pre-made and havent had everyone ping their gears to begin with.
