Guild Wars 2

Khalen Arcana.4320:

Maybe a comparison video with mes instead of warrior to see just how OP banners are? Or is that just asking for a nerf……

Mesmer DPS is fine.

Shiren.9532:

Robert Hrouda plays a ranger and designs the dungeons so he is familiar with the meta and acutely aware of the ranger’s issues with it. Despite this rangers still see the vast majority of issues they’ve seen since launch. The funny thing is, even if pets were buffed so that two could tank a boss (the stated reason why they refuse to fix pet survivability issues), the meta wouldn’t change because survival isn’t an issue in dungeons, it’s just a DPS race.

I watched Robert Hrouda live stream his adventure in Southsun cove after the last Living Story patch and watched him click his utility skills with his mouse. I don’t think there is much he is aware of, keybinds being one of them. It’s not possible for me to have hope about Rangers being balanced one day, dungeons being reworked, or anything else like that. I guess this reply is slightly off-topic, but whatever. Rangers are simply inferior, and I really doubt that anything will be done about that at this point. Like you essentially said, a lot of other classes offer the same things in a superior form, and this really just cripples Rangers.

colesy.8490:

Zerker guards can do more DPS and more support than your ranger ever will. I can give blocks, heals, prot, regen, condi removal. If I go for a tank build I can give perma-protection with hammer, might stacks (5s) on crit, remove a condition on use of a shout and with 3k armour I end up sponging all of the aggro while my team can wail on the boss and smash hundred blades over and over again.

You’re not ever going to be carrying pugs, they will be carrying you.

I’ll agree with everything aside from taking aggro, but yeah. Guardians are the best pug-carrying class. Ranger is a good “AFK and range from a safe spot” in pug class.

Stooperdale.3560:

“Doesn’t matter how many times you mash your attacks and utilities or in what orders or combos, you wont match the Dps or support of another class. "

Again you’re wrong and you’re basing it on videos and heresay rather than what you’ve done playing the class in that dungeon. I’m not claiming great dps but the support is there as soon as you go into melee. I’m not going into CoE with zerker groups doing speed runs, I’m going in with PUGs who might need carrying through and I can help carry them through and I’d rather do it with my ranger than my other classes.

Ranger’s support = Healing Spring. You can’t do enough DPS on a Ranger to carry, and you certainly can’t provide enough support either.

Bread.7516:

Ronin.5038:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Wukunlin.8461:

more food for thought: how does the dps of a downed warrior compare to rangers?

Obal was doing 1800 with Throw Rock in downed state. That’s comparable DPS to Shortbow autoattack.

Rocks do more damage than arrows?
I knew my slingshot would come in handy at some point.

according to the tool tips it shouldn’t but it’s close because of throw rock activation time.(?) dps test anyone? lol

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Throw_Rock

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Crossfire

add in bowl of fire salsa for 20% damage boost
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Bowl_of_Fire_Salsa

The plot thickens.

Wukunlin.8461:

more food for thought: how does the dps of a downed warrior compare to rangers?

Obal was doing 1800 with Throw Rock in downed state. That’s comparable DPS to Shortbow autoattack.

Pinch.4273:

That would have been funnier if you didn’t sound so depressed.

I can’t help it. I always sound like that.

http://youtu.be/PJK3OZt8rC8

Enjoy!

Obal, I’m proud to call you a member of my guild. This thread has done nothing but make me proud of you.

Dub.1273:

If Brazil says so it must be true.

I have multiple videos on my youtube channel that prove Rangers are overpowered.

swiftpaw.6397:

Syn Sity.5826:

Generic sarcastic response which will have a small amount of constructive value and a great amount of arrogance. No idea why I keep checking this forum, looking for a weekly dose of drama maybe.

Sometimes it’s the small things, like forum drama, that keep me playing this stale game.

I hate your family and Ranger is the best class in Guild Wars 2.

Zenith.7301:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Zenith.7301:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

moiraine.2753:

Every video that i watched is a one minute kill with guardian using reflects.Where is the strategy when you just burn out the boss??
People just stay at melee range and dps.There is nothing special in that.

The strategy is using projectile reflection to reflect projectiles, projectiles that otherwise kill you. It also allows you to defeat the boss, something that running around and ranging clearly doesn’t. I could also say that there is nothing special about ranging, because every pug group employs that strategy and wipes on bosses because of it.

I can solo the room ranging, so your point is moot. It’s just far less efficient.

The problem with your “strategy” is that guardians as a whole mitigate the supposed mechanics of the fight. Their wall lasts too long as does their spirit shield. On top of their group aegis and healing/boon provision and good DPS.

All you have to do is focus on dodging the melee stuff and most of the boss’s arsenal, which is ranged damage, is gone.

Melee just doesn’t carry the risks it should when there are guardians around.

Your ranged weapon has infinite ammo, so your point is moot.

My ranged weapon is freaking magic, duh. Magic that apparently does less damage than swinging a hunk of metal as someone. Who knew metal>fireballs/laser beams.

Realism is blegh in videogames

That’s why having a Guardian use reflects is still the better / fastest option. I knew you would get it eventually.

Vox Hollow.2736:

Yes because pets are a reliable source of damage.

They are not.
Don’t get me wrong, pet survivability is a major problem with the class in dungeons. There aren’t enough tools that are appropriate for dodge heavy game-play, and the skill floor is unapproachably high. But there’s a difference between acknowledging that flaw with a frustrated sort of sigh on specific unfriendly pet encounters, and keeping a pet useless and limp beside you on principal alone.

Are you able to micromanage your pet in CoE against Alpha and keep it alive? If so, I’d like to see some video evidence.

Zenith.7301:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

moiraine.2753:

Every video that i watched is a one minute kill with guardian using reflects.Where is the strategy when you just burn out the boss??
People just stay at melee range and dps.There is nothing special in that.

The strategy is using projectile reflection to reflect projectiles, projectiles that otherwise kill you. It also allows you to defeat the boss, something that running around and ranging clearly doesn’t. I could also say that there is nothing special about ranging, because every pug group employs that strategy and wipes on bosses because of it.

I can solo the room ranging, so your point is moot. It’s just far less efficient.

The problem with your “strategy” is that guardians as a whole mitigate the supposed mechanics of the fight. Their wall lasts too long as does their spirit shield. On top of their group aegis and healing/boon provision and good DPS.

All you have to do is focus on dodging the melee stuff and most of the boss’s arsenal, which is ranged damage, is gone.

Melee just doesn’t carry the risks it should when there are guardians around.

Your ranged weapon has infinite ammo, so your point is moot.

Vox Hollow.2736:

You’re playing Ranger like a Warrior.

I mean no offense by this, I’m sure you’re an excellent player.
But it’s pretty clear you’re new to the class and have yet to catch on to some of the differences between it and other classes. For example; unlike warrior’s Utility-dependence, Ranger is heavily Trait-dependent almost to the point of malfunction. You’re not going to do well running without them, and I’d recommend against upscaling a Ranger whenever possible.

Additionally the core concept for these weapons are different from what you may have come to expect, and you need to play them differently to get the most out of them. For example, Sword builds up might stacks on the pet. If you’re not using it with an aggressive F2 you’re sort of missing out. If you’re having problems micromanaging a pet’s survival long enough that you can’t go in with Sword and make the most of the might building, you shouldn’t be switching to bear, instead consider devourers and spiders while you’re still figuring things out as might stacks affect their condition based auto-attacks and F2s.

Dungeons are anti-pet, so you you have to play Rangers like Warriors. If pets, say, dodged when you dodged it would be a different story. No amount of micromanaging a pet will keep it alive from boss AoE.

Targuil.3741:

Show us your full inventory screen. You are upleveled from lvl 3 and while you boosted your damage through stats, your weapon stats most likely remain similar to lvl 80 white weapons instead of exotic.

It wouldn’t matter what his gear is. He would still be doing more damage with the Banners etc. Think logically and you shall understand.

Dub.1273:

My warrior hits for 4k banner autoattack on lupicus. This either means dredges have more armor than lupicus or ranger dps still remains kitten.

I think you know the answer to that.

moiraine.2753:

Every video that i watched is a one minute kill with guardian using reflects.Where is the strategy when you just burn out the boss??
People just stay at melee range and dps.There is nothing special in that.

The strategy is using projectile reflection to reflect projectiles, projectiles that otherwise kill you. It also allows you to defeat the boss, something that running around and ranging clearly doesn’t. I could also say that there is nothing special about ranging, because every pug group employs that strategy and wipes on bosses because of it.

moiraine.2753:

So basically you are saying people to bring berseker gear players only,mesmer and guardian.Or you can’t kill the boss.
Yay one more path that will turn out to be like CoF P1.Anet made very ’’smart’’ decision….cough,cough..Not at all

No, we are saying that there are strategies and mechanics that work and there are strategies and mechanics that don’t work.

This is good news.

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

Dolan.3071:

How competent are we talking here? Like consistent Berserker DPS, melee all the time, rarely go down competent? Or like flawless executions of Hundred Blades -> one swing -> Whirlwind -> cyclone axe -> auto attack x2 chains or whatever that super l33t DPS cycle is, never die ever, weapons with respective sigils for each dungeon? On that note, is that the sort of stuff expected in Dnt and LoD? Cause that’s kinda… Intimidating

The warrior rotation is pretty basic, in all honesty. You’re expected to perform it, but you’re not going to be labeled a noob if you have to interrupt your 100b to dodge.

With standards like that it’s no wonder why my guild is the superior one.

Most of the good players have quit by now. Either that or they just stand in Lion’s Arch like me.

iFocus.3781:

sorenrye.7238:

You can also practice running path 2 alone. This will enable you to practice to run through the trash and deadeyes.

Why would I need to practice running past trashmobs? Do their mechanics differ a lot from what you find in the rest of the game? Are they particularly vigilant?

They are the type of mobs that would set an orphanage on fire just so they wouldn’t be cold.

sorrychief.2563:

from the same guy who put MF gear on his warrior comes the most hardcore ranger guide for running arah P3!

well, that whirling axe would have done more damage if he went the crit damage route so it’s not really fair to compare your super leet hardcore guardian who isn’t using rabid gear/soldier runes. o-O

anyways that was a good laugh. i suspect all this ranger hate comes from tpvp though.

The hate comes from Rangers being terrible in PvE

ilr.9675:

Given Eugene’s golden seal of approval … once they add seals as pets o/c

Ah! Speak of the devil and he will appear. This is the Ranger build that I run:

http://youtu.be/5ecRS2nyXI4

You could always just have people melee. I’ve heard that it’s risky, but a good strategy if you can pull it off. I’m not very good at it yet, though :/

Here we go. Finished my Ranger guide.

I agree. It’s not too common to see selfless players in Fractals these days, and you raise a very good point here.

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLzYy8FVzP3HZcddc7Zc8t8Q3PaztcOPiM

Perhaps this would help you?

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

Thundolfe.9302:

I would like to mention though, stress even, that the hammer itself is buggy and that’s what makes this fractal hard to finish at the moment. Often times, if someone has the hammer and falls to their death, the hammer will not respawn, until the entire group purposefully dies (thus triggering the full chanter spawn in this case).

This is exactly what happened in the aforementioned post about our run. I fell carrying the hammer and we had to suicide to get to to respawn. Only to find out that our suicide triggered 15 chanters spawning initially and causing what I like to refer to as “the hour of my life I’ll never get back” trying to brute force it anyway.

Did they at least drop loot?

swiftpaw.6397:

I keep thinking…. ‘Eugene?… Is that you… Eugene Krabs?’ ’ :o HE’S REAL

Unfortunately not.

Jeffrey Vaughn.1793:

The posts above are correct, the entire group of chanters is respawning after a wipe at any point. I’m going to change it so that only the 2 initial chanters will respawn on a wipe, and the larger group will spawn once the first 2 are killed. (As it used to work, except that the 2 chanters will reset after a wipe.)

Do they drop Final Rest?

Nike has written a Necro guide and posted it on our guild forums, I’m not sure if it can be found anywhere else around the internet though. He’s also got a video of it in CoE. I don’t believe there are any Engineer guides written by any of us out there, though. Obviously there are Ranger videos.

Delivered: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0ZMhoetn1c

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

swiftpaw.6397:

‘dem fools’ I see how it is man T_T

I’m black and it’s a phrase I commonly employ. I didn’t actually mean that you are fools.

Eugene is definitely not a black person name, it’s possibly the whitest (most white?) name I can think of other than maybe Charles.

My name isn’t actually Eugene.

swiftpaw.6397:

‘dem fools’ I see how it is man T_T

I’m black and it’s a phrase I commonly employ. I didn’t actually mean that you are fools.

Dub.1273:

IIRC Nikaido has nothing to do with DnT or LOD at all.

He rolled with my homies for awhile after he did his own thang, now he rolls wit dem fools from LOD.

I’ve not got any sort of problem at all with him. He’s passionate about what he says, how he feels, and he’s pretty honest about it all too.

Nikaido.3457:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Dolan.3071:

Had an ‘experienced’ Ranger during CoE. They used Swoop towards the top of the stairs leading into the Golem’s room. Went straight past the Mesmer’s portal and landing in the middle of the doorway, to which we were met with the sound of the Turrets firing up. I swear they are all pants on head kittened, and they seem to have the most potential to absolutely wreck a team.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL I can imagine that now. Dear god I love Rangers. I’m going to make a serious Ranger guide in hopes of helping them out, actually. Maybe it will cause them to be less bad.

Eugene is going to retire ? and here I thought I’d get to see some nice Eugene guardian guide going balls deep into zeal.

Oh no, he’s not retiring. I’m just going to actually try to be helpful for once.

Dolan.3071:

Had an ‘experienced’ Ranger during CoE. They used Swoop towards the top of the stairs leading into the Golem’s room. Went straight past the Mesmer’s portal and landing in the middle of the doorway, to which we were met with the sound of the Turrets firing up. I swear they are all pants on head kittened, and they seem to have the most potential to absolutely wreck a team.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL I can imagine that now. Dear god I love Rangers. I’m going to make a serious Ranger guide in hopes of helping them out, actually. Maybe it will cause them to be less bad.

Wethospu.6437:

Nikaido.3457:

Wethospu.6437:

If you guys are supposed to be “best of the best”

The level of exaggeration is strong in this one. I never said or ever implied anything close to that. Did you mistake me for Brazil ?

Fair enough. Good that got cleared up. So DnT is just supposed to be best of the best.

My apologies for picking a wrong person.

This is a possibility but that possibility has to be answered with evidence.
When Kitsune presented the ele as having potential in speedruns he, gasp, backed up the claim. Or is that too much to ask? People are usually willing to listen once they’ve been proven wrong.

Well, idea was that if you guys were supposed to be on top of the game you would be the one finding all the best builds. But since that got cleared this doesn’t have any point.

swiftpaw.6397:

Since we are in the business of making exaggerated and rather silly assumptions about the scumbag elitist Nikaido.3457, I have to say… He is actually a very down to earth guy, quite modest, also has a very sexy frenchy accent mrrooowww

I’m basing it on this line “Do you really think you can beat continuous uninterrupted rifle dps with that ? Common sense much ?”
If that is modest to you, well, I guess we have different opinions then.
I don’t follow everyone closely to know exactly who said what and when (I don’t really care that much) so Nikaido might be wrong target this. But you can insert your name there instead of his if that feels more appropriate.

Perhaps topics like this are fun to some of you but it’s quite good way to scare any new guy with different/wrong opinion.

I’ll just flat-out say it. I’m the best player in Guild Wars 2.

SynfulChaot.3169:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

From watching his stream in Southsun, I have to wonder if he really understands anything about Ranger or not. I started wondering this when he said that Sword / Dagger would be good for soloing Lupicus.

I can see S/D for Lupi. S/D is a good weapon combo. But it’s been weakened though the pet nerfs. And ranged is still weaker than it was before.

The Sword autoattack is suicide at Lupicus. You wouldn’t and aren’t able to dodge his attacks consistently (or at all), you definitely can’t dodge the swarms and cleave them with it, and Dagger isn’t as useful as a Warhorn, offhand Axe, or Torch would be. If you’ve ever tried soloing Lupicus with a Ranger, you’ll realize how few options you have.

SynfulChaot.3169:

As a big fan of rangers and the fact that I still main one to this day, I must say that this patch was nothing but bad for the class. I still hold out for the day that rangers finally receive their due attention and stop being the black sheep of the classes that no one really wants around. And I will never stop holding out until the day arrives.

Ranger is my main and always will be. That will never change. But I’m quickly losing hope that anyone at ANet besides Robert Hrouda actually understands the class…

From watching his stream in Southsun, I have to wonder if he really understands anything about Ranger or not. I started wondering this when he said that Sword / Dagger would be good for soloing Lupicus.

Well, Eugene just made a new Ranger guide. I have to say that Obal’s argument has been completely obliterated. I’ll post a link once Strife uploads it.

With this new patch, I’m going to have to talk to Eugene about making a new Ranger guide. He told me that he had some great ideas, and maybe it will finally shut you all up and your saying “Ranger sucks hurr durr.”

The meta will shift gears faster than The Stig.

No, they definitely messed this up. My guild was unable to complete it during their daily 48 (got this as the 3rd fractal, had to restart because it was impossible to kill the chanters). I went along for the second attempt, we got Dredge on the 3rd fractal after getting Grawl 2nd. What do we see in Dredge? More groups of mobs that have not been there previously. There was an extra group patrolling behind the gate, 3 groups patrolling at the beginning, and I cannot recall every encountering this before. I’ve seen one stray group patrolling the beginning a few times, but never this many groups of mobs. They also failed to fix the mobs spawning invulnerable at the clown car, so I suppose we will be dealing with that for awhile longer as well.

So this is how Anet fixes CoF path 1. Cause a panic and make Warriors retrait, thus killing the dungeon. Very smart.

But I agree. The CoF elitists really bother me and I’m getting tired of hearing about them.

Chopps.5047:

obal.3218:

It doesn’t matter in the long run. Rangers have terrible skills to choose from and offer so little utility value. All they can bring is dps which is out classed by other professions. Unless there is an expansion in which new skills and such are introduced they will always be bad in comparison to other classes.

You should just cut your losses and raise a better profession for pve. I loved ranger in gw1 during prophecies but after that they were a bad class and thankfully it swayed me from making this class last in gw2.

No dude you’re completely wrong. The way you slam rangers makes me regret every playing with you before. As far as I can tell, you’re completely uninformed and just another elitist.

Ranger is better in dungeons now with boon sharing in companion’s might insane buff. I don’t know how you “experts” overlooked that but you’d puke if you knew how much damage ranger can do now. But instead you will thrust your fingers into your ears and say LA LA LA. You know why? Because you live in LA LA land.

I have to agree with you on this, Chopps. As a Ranger myself, I think they have quite a bit of untapped potential. You could always check out Eugene’s Ranger Video Guide (That’s me btw) for some more tips on the class.

Bismuth.3165:

it’s kind of sad that no other class can do that much damage, I mean, warriors actually get to 30k+ with 100b, if I get 7k damage with my ele, i think it’s something awesome,, hell, most of the time I have 15+ stacks of might…. it’s kind of unfair

Lightning Hammer Ele hits like 15k autoattacks. GS Warrior is also pretty bad now after this latest patch.

You’ve met with a terrible fate, haven’t you?

swiftpaw.6397:

ilr.9675:

PVP skill splits. There’s a Reason GW1 had them (it was the dungeons)
/thread

^^^^^^^^^^^

Sorry but Anet prefers to be the special snowflake game, they don’t need silly things like common sense pffft.

Snowflakes… I remember Wintersday.

Konu.1826:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Konu.1826:

Did you consider you would lose Attack of Opportunity (or Berserker’s Power) if you choose to go deep in discipline for Heightened Focus? I doubt I will want to take that trade myself but we will see.

30/0/0/10/30 doesn’t lose Berserker’s Power.

I never said you would have to give up both, just that you will have to give up either Attack of opportunity or Berserker’s power in order to get Heightened focus. In your example you are losing Attack of opportunity.

Yeah. I’m going to have to see about reworking builds. Mainly because Axe is boring.