Guild Wars 2

Oh! And Rangers bring Healing Spring! It’s a great heal skill and benefits everyone. Not to mention that between VoJ spam on Guardian and Opening Strike spam when traited will cap mobs out on vulnerability super fast, a pretty big plus when added to Frost Spirit, Spotter, and Healing Spring.

haviz.1340:

Every proffesion can deal similiar amount of damage under optimal conditions, I don’t really know why you had to test it. Issue with other proffesions like ranger is their utility and what can they offer to the team.

Frost Spirit and Spotter is a 12% group damage buff.

Anubarak.3012:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

I also made a desktop background too, in stunning 1080p

Like a boss!
That would be the name of my new guild which I will never form… I Survived Bloomhunger [@lvl1]

Call it “Bloom[HNGR]”

Wethospu.6437:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

mike.7685:

Honestly I didnt think it could be done after I saw Wethospu posting that he didnt even melee it at that level or higher. Interesting.

That’s what I’m saying. He even melees the Ancient Ooze in Arah.

I only use ranged-swap on underwater content and Mining Suit /Rampaging Ice Elemental (and I’m seriously reconsidering latter).

You left out Bloomhunger.

Good stuff as usual, Obal.

I also made a desktop background too, in stunning 1080p

I made some Bloomhunger art today for you guys.

Wukunlin.8461:

There is a chest for taking down those 3 anti-air turrets iirc

Yup. There is.

This is a good strategy. I’m impressed.

mike.7685:

Honestly I didnt think it could be done after I saw Wethospu posting that he didnt even melee it at that level or higher. Interesting.

That’s what I’m saying. He even melees the Ancient Ooze in Arah.

swiftpaw.6397:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

The skilled players will probably get punished and the person that wants to do Arah with his blue Cleric’s Shout Warrior will be rewarded one thousand times over. That’s just my guess, though.

This. And then we will called scumbags and elitists for being so horribly selfish as to want fair treatment for playing correctly.

“Hate is only a form love that hasn’t found a way to express itself logically” – Lil’ Wayne

That’s how I feel, too. Bring on the haters.

The skilled players will probably get punished and the person that wants to do Arah with his blue Cleric’s Shout Warrior will be rewarded one thousand times over. That’s just my guess, though.

How do you get to 70+?

I didn’t think you could melee Bloomhunger. I thought it was too hard.

I’d take CoF farming elitists over the Shout-Heal Warriors / Cleric’s Guardians / Condition Necros / GS Mesmers that I see in Arah every time I pug it. I’m tired of soloing Lupicus and getting kicked after I kill him because it took too long and I could have rezzed people. Please, send in the CoF farmers.

Hamartia.3421:

People arguing against this want the game to remain melee-only. First MMO I’ve ever played where “ranged” wasn’t an option.

It’s an option, it’s just a really slow one and a lot of people don’t have time for it.

Swiftpaw, let’s do Arah together. We will make lots of money.

Ah! So now let’s bring the Ranger.

Here come the Path 4 speedclear record videos.

haviz.1340:

obal.3218:

He was in a red circle as was I. I used sword 3 to evade it and he dodged to evade it. The guardian reflects are about as good as they are at lupi phase 2 aoe as they are for bloomhunger aoe so you still need to dodge them. The reflects are useful for his poison attack and ground pound though and are what make the fight easy as long as you stay behind him and dodge red circles.

Weren’t you saying that if you stay behind him you wouldn’t have to dodge his agony?

It makes it easier to dodge. There aren’t as many red circles for whatever reason.

Essence Snow.3194:

I’m pretty sure you know to which I am referring as it relates to arah. Not to say that such things don’t happen in other dungeons, but I’m focusing on ones of that realm.

There are a wide varieties of things considered exploits in Arah, the most common is the dreaded “trash mob skipping.” There are loopholes / exploits in all dungeons and they could be prevented by having people actually test the content before it’s released. Instead, they throw content out and allow the community to beta test it for months on end and then patch it when they see fit.

Broadicea.8294:

zerk über alles

We should get Jello to head the new dungeon team.

Essence Snow.3194:

They will need to fix exploits in some of the paths prior to this or work on better detection tools to ban players that exploit paths in such a manner.

They would have to ban anyone that has ever completed a dungeon.

I’m going to be farming the balls off of Arah path 4 after this.

realloc.5846:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

PVT in level 80 Fractals…. It must take days to complete Dredge.

Actually, less than 1 hour. Guardian in PVT gives other enough freedom to use something more suitable for dps.

It actually doesn’t. It’s a crutch that makes people feel comfortable.

PVT in level 80 Fractals…. It must take days to complete Dredge.

Lighthammer.3280:

Trust me she still bugs out. no matter how fast you bring sparks or how high your dps is. She just refuses to go under 50% and you have to reset. Simple as that!

Well, I guess that settles it then.

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

It is also possible as Haviz said that fotm difficulty will get sufficiently tough at higher levels that even perma-protection+ring of warding for the party stops being useful for the bad trash pulls.

I heard bad stories. Rumours of 20k+ heartseekers on cliffside and various auto attacks hitting for 10k+

Honestly I don’t even do fractals, I think it’s a really boring area. The damage numbers I listed could be present at 48 and I wouldn’t even know

It’s mainly the bugs or bad loot that ruin your time, not so much the trash mobs. AH doesn’t help with bugs and loot, but if it did, I would use it.

I dropped AH a long time ago after noticing that aggro mechanics involve bosses deciding what to hit through some sort of fancy RNG. Even in Fractals, I don’t think I would want to take an AH Guardian. I guess it’s there for peace of mind if anything, but that doesn’t make it useful to me.

Nuka Cola.8520:

rangers are NOT awesome. Rangers is the class that needs the most help. I play ranger because i like bow wearing characters but don’t tell me that rangers are fine… You swap pets, gain 3sec of quickness and your pet doesn’t even instantly attack and instead wastes 2sec standing still~~~~~~if this is not broken i don’t know what is.

But Rangers are fine. I don’t really have issues with mine at all.

Wukunlin.8461:

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

For those of us who are still stuck on not seeing as big numbers appearing on the ranger’s screen in Brazil’s video, don’t forget that Spotter and Frost Spirit are, on average, boosting everyone else’s damage by about 12%.

could you enlighten me on how that 12% came from? (serious question)

7% from Frost Spirit, 5% from Spotter.

SkyChef.5432:

Is it a clunky design or there is a real reason for not being able to break auto-attack to dodge?

So you can stick on people 1v1 in PvP and keep the crippled while your pet kills them. It just carries over to PvE i guess.

Shiren.9532:

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

I was considering rolling a ranger, just because that sword auto attack looks pretty kitten fun

If you read the ranger forums full of players who actually did roll a ranger, you will find that viewpoint is in the minority. The sword auto-attack is a death trap.

It’s a death trap until you get used to it.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

For those of us who are still stuck on not seeing as big numbers appearing on the ranger’s screen in Brazil’s video, don’t forget that Spotter and Frost Spirit are, on average, boosting everyone else’s damage by about 12%.

Broadicea.8294:

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

It isnt about whethet ranger is better in a party than a warrior (it isnt) its about whether a ranger is better than having a THIRD warrior, which it very well may be in some instances.

Let’s not confuse DnT’s claims (grounded in reality, supported by empirical evidence) with these claims (conceived in La La Land, the ravings of a lunatic, grounds for forcible confinement in a sanitarium):

Wukunlin.8461:

If we can go back in time and look at the original statements

I am curious as to why you think DnT’s claims are valid and mine are not when they are the exact same thing. Why do you DnT went and ran a ranger in their team in the first place? It certainly isn’t because Brazil mis-clicked on the character select screen.

It was because I was finally too curious and decided to try things for myself instead of continuing to regurgitate forum hate.

Skady.5916:

Thank you for putting this video showing what Ranger profession is capable of.

I myself is a long time ranger (call me crazy) with a lots of PvE content done in GW2.
Unfortunately the build presented will only work in ‘perfect’ conditions: i.e. when you have an experienced premade and when content is not-so-hard (hello 48 fractals). As soon as you get in PUG lacking DPS and survivability, as soon as trash stops dying in a matter of seconds, as soon as your PUGs start dying this build is no longer viable. I am talking mostly about sword as a main DPS source. I love DPS on this weapon and i love skills but inability to dodge when u need it in a dodge-or-die game kills it for me. Maybe Arenanet fix this at some point or introduce another 1H melee weapon (like dagger)

Pugs are a different environment altogether. I wouldn’t say that the build isn’t viable at all, but it would probably take more effort to survive and that effort may not be worth it to a lot of people.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

Dempsey.8760:

@Guan, I believe after this patch it was proven the axe/mace+axe and the axe/mace+gs builds carried the same dps, one coming completely from auto attacks and 1 from axe autos and 100b. By your logic pure axe would be dealing more damage because it only auto attacks? or would they still deal about the same since, you know, while 100b and ww are on cd you are still axe auto attacking.

The GS/Axe swap rotation is not really worth it anymore because you no longer have room to take Slashing Power. You also need to complete your axe chain before swapping since the damage is all backloaded now, so your rotation now looks like two axe chains (7.2s total) > HB (4s total) > 1 GS auto swing > back to axe, and without Slashing Power that 5 seconds in GS is actually less damage than the equivalent in axe. It is worth doing if you can also get a full Whirlwind, otherwise just stick to Axe.

Axe/Axe isn’t really worth it either, I dunno why people bring that. Bring Axe/Sword or get a longbow for might stacking or something.

Or Axe / Mace and Axe / Sword with Sigil of Battle.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

randomfightfan.4091:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Zenith.7301:

Single target, dagger necro falls behind? That hasn’t been my impression. His auto sure as hell seems to outdamage my ranger/thief dagger base, maybe with might stacking the scaling is different?

What? I’m skeptical about Necro out-damaging a Thief single target. I’d kind of like to see evidence of that. It may be a bigger number than something like a Ranger, but how quickly does it attack when compared?

It’s the same attack speed as the thief and does the same damage full rotation as thief daggers do. The thief has to spec into a lot more + damage traits to get the same damage but they also have access to more. Thieves also have cnd+backstab to increase the dps significantly. It’s just the auto attacks that the necro CAN out shine the thief if the thief isn’t traited for it. Thieves also get 4s poison after every full auto rotation whereas necros just get life force.

It sounds like the potential is there for it, then. I guess it comes down to a lack of group utility for the Necro.

I am working on finding a legitimate use for necromancer but honestly I am having trouble. A 30/25/0/0/15 dagger necro clocks at around 9k DPS, same as a ranger including pet, but without the added utility of Spotter and Frost Spirit and everything else the ranger brings. Thieves are definitely higher DPS. The one thing I have found is that if you go something like 0/25/0/15/30 Deathshroudway you can take the +50% crit chance in Death Shroud trait and go full kitten on defensive stats (i.e. full Valkyrie gear) and still have 100% crit chance with all the other stuff stacked on you, so you don’t need zerker and can be an OMG ANCHOR SO GOOD STRIFE DA GOD etc. Your DPS in those cases clocks at around 7k so you’ll probably still outperform Strife’s “1000s of hours” cookie-cutter AH guardian build in DPS. Seriously, though, don’t try to tank, that’s stupid.

Oh, and Guang right about everything again, what a surprise. What happened to RANGER DPS kitten WARRIORS WAY BETTER GIB ARAH 7 MIN SOLO SPEED CLEAR OR GTFO, eh? Now we’re pretending we knew rangers were good all along? What a TWEEST.

Sorry, it’s late at night and I’m a bit out of it from too much studying.

Maybe more than studying, but your anger is righteous.

randomfightfan.4091:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Zenith.7301:

Single target, dagger necro falls behind? That hasn’t been my impression. His auto sure as hell seems to outdamage my ranger/thief dagger base, maybe with might stacking the scaling is different?

What? I’m skeptical about Necro out-damaging a Thief single target. I’d kind of like to see evidence of that. It may be a bigger number than something like a Ranger, but how quickly does it attack when compared?

It’s the same attack speed as the thief and does the same damage full rotation as thief daggers do. The thief has to spec into a lot more + damage traits to get the same damage but they also have access to more. Thieves also have cnd+backstab to increase the dps significantly. It’s just the auto attacks that the necro CAN out shine the thief if the thief isn’t traited for it. Thieves also get 4s poison after every full auto rotation whereas necros just get life force.

It sounds like the potential is there for it, then. I guess it comes down to a lack of group utility for the Necro.

Zenith.7301:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Zenith.7301:

Single target, dagger necro falls behind? That hasn’t been my impression. His auto sure as hell seems to outdamage my ranger/thief dagger base, maybe with might stacking the scaling is different?

What? I’m skeptical about Necro out-damaging a Thief single target. I’d kind of like to see evidence of that. It may be a bigger number than something like a Ranger, but how quickly does it attack when compared?

I didn’t say it was higher than thief single target. I said the necro dagger auto is higher than the thief dagger auto and the ranger sword auto. On my necro on the 3rd part of the chain in berserker I can get 4-5k crits without much in the way of might.

But does it attack as quickly as a Ranger? and are you factoring in Hunter’s Call and the pet attacking too?

Zenith.7301:

Single target, dagger necro falls behind? That hasn’t been my impression. His auto sure as hell seems to outdamage my ranger/thief dagger base, maybe with might stacking the scaling is different?

What? I’m skeptical about Necro out-damaging a Thief single target. I’d kind of like to see evidence of that. It may be a bigger number than something like a Ranger, but how quickly does it attack when compared?

Essence Snow.3194:

So my question is: When all optional professions thrown into the mix (3 wars, 1 guard + X profession) and they are all spec’d/geared for maximum effect, which one falls behind?

Point being, there needs to be some sort of control or comparison to draw any conclusions from what is here.

Necromancer and probably Engineer.

spoj.9672:

What about it stacking if both spirits are traited?

They don’t stack. Same if they are both untraited.

Traited Warrior banners don’t stack either. I tried that too.

Player Character.9467:

But will any1 number crunch or anything to figure out if the 2nd ranger is worth taking with the reduction? 2nd spirit is only another 3.5% multiplier on average.

Kinda like how a 2nd warrior can’t also give you 150 power and 1 warrior could still run fgj/2banners if there isn’t a need for a break stun/endure pain/etc.

I’m almost wondering, but you would probably be missing out on too many might stacks at that point. I’d be interested in the numbers too, though. Synesthesia hinders my math skillz so I’m not too comfortable doing calculations myself.

Player Character.9467:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Player Character.9467:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

They most definitely stack.

Now could we get somebody that isn’t Brazil to test it

Would you like me to go record it? Without an amulet and armor and with a steady shortbow, I wakittenting for 36 damage each time. With one Frost Spirit active, I would hit for 36 and 40 damage, and with both Frost Spirits active I would hit for 36, 40, and 44. With only the 70% Frost Spirit active, most of my attacks would hit for 40. With both spirits active, I would mostly hit for 40, hit 44 fairly frequently, and barely hit 36. There is no internal cooldown on the Spirits damage bonus, and they do in fact stack if one spirit is traited and one is not.

I’ll just go record it anyways.

Some people might want a couple screenshots, but I was just kidding about it :P
Any1 know if the ranger board is aware of this?

Oh and next patch: warrior banners traited for range stack with nontraited, gotta keep it all even

Nope, too late. You can have some evidence: http://youtu.be/Gvpg3ExM6m8

:)

Player Character.9467:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

They most definitely stack.

Now could we get somebody that isn’t Brazil to test it

Would you like me to go record it? Without an amulet and armor and with a steady shortbow, I wakittenting for 36 damage each time. With one Frost Spirit active, I would hit for 36 and 40 damage, and with both Frost Spirits active I would hit for 36, 40, and 44. With only the 70% Frost Spirit active, most of my attacks would hit for 40. With both spirits active, I would mostly hit for 40, hit 44 fairly frequently, and barely hit 36. There is no internal cooldown on the Spirits damage bonus, and they do in fact stack if one spirit is traited and one is not.

I’ll just go record it anyways.

They most definitely stack.

laokoko.7403:

does ranger’s spirit stack if there are more ranger?

Just tried it out to double check. If one Ranger has Vigorous Spirits traited and the other Ranger doesn’t, you get 2 Frost Spirit buffs on your bar. One of the buffs is a 35% chance to inflict 10% bonus damage on hit, the other is a 70% chance to inflict bonus damage on hit. I’ll go into the mists and test it with steady weapons or something and see what the outcome is.

randomfightfan.4091:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

randomfightfan.4091:

“Rangers aren’t as bad as everyone thinks they are.”

Well story time for you then. Just finished a pug CoE run. There’s 2 rangers in our group. One has 11k achieves, one 10.8k. One guy in the pt brings up your video. The rangers say they don’t use that build, it’s junk, they use their build, the “best” build. After 3 runs of Coe, the did nothing at all except sbow 1 spamming. They swapped weapons once the entire dungeon… to long bow for the destroyer.

Rangers are still just as bad as ever, despite what this video shows.

Bad Rangers are bad. The profession has qualities that make it very good, despite everything I used to think about them. That’s why we had a 16 second Destroyer kill and you… Well, you played with some bad Rangers.

You’re right, I should have worded my post better. As a class it’s possible to achieve some good moves. It’s just sad that the majority of the players don’t even try to do those moves. I wouldn’t have even said anything but the rangers said that ranger was their main and they each were almost at or over 11k achieve points. It’s disgusting to know that some people don’t even care about intentionally making a bad name for their own class.

I recorded a CoF run with a 10k achievement point Thief that used Pistol / Pistol the entire run. I don’t understand people like that, I don’t know why they play the way they do. I’ll never understand why it’s fun to play a Mace / Shield Warrior and gear it out with expensive armor and weapons, but I guess people enjoy what they do.

It doesn’t always take that long, though. It depends on your skill as a player and the skill of the people playing with you. Path 2 and 3 can be completed in under 20 minutes, and the rest don’t take much longer if you are familiar with them.

Zenith.7301:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

randomfightfan.4091:

“Rangers aren’t as bad as everyone thinks they are.”

Well story time for you then. Just finished a pug CoE run. There’s 2 rangers in our group. One has 11k achieves, one 10.8k. One guy in the pt brings up your video. The rangers say they don’t use that build, it’s junk, they use their build, the “best” build. After 3 runs of Coe, the did nothing at all except sbow 1 spamming. They swapped weapons once the entire dungeon… to long bow for the destroyer.

Rangers are still just as bad as ever, despite what this video shows.

Bad Rangers are bad. The profession has qualities that make it very good, despite everything I used to think about them. That’s why we had a 16 second Destroyer kill and you… Well, you played with some bad Rangers.

I had a TA run with this ranger. I told him to not use the bear — that if he had issues with pet survival to just run a drake as it’s similarly tanky, but does the damage of dogs and is the only pet that cleaves and has a blast finisher.

The ranger proceeded to longbow all things to death with his bear put on passive throughout the run.

I mained a ranger. I don’t have a vendetta against the class. But the way this game advertises the class just attracts the worst of players to it. I very rarely see rangers that will melee. It’s all those terrible bows.

It’s not like I don’t understand this point, but people keep telling me about it anyways.

randomfightfan.4091:

“Rangers aren’t as bad as everyone thinks they are.”

Well story time for you then. Just finished a pug CoE run. There’s 2 rangers in our group. One has 11k achieves, one 10.8k. One guy in the pt brings up your video. The rangers say they don’t use that build, it’s junk, they use their build, the “best” build. After 3 runs of Coe, the did nothing at all except sbow 1 spamming. They swapped weapons once the entire dungeon… to long bow for the destroyer.

Rangers are still just as bad as ever, despite what this video shows.

Bad Rangers are bad. The profession has qualities that make it very good, despite everything I used to think about them. That’s why we had a 16 second Destroyer kill and you… Well, you played with some bad Rangers.