Guild Wars 2

Nikaido.3457:

ilr.9675:

Video about Ranger damage….
Party is 3 Wars and a Guard

Another masterpiece from Brazil

Not surprised he chose to replace the mesmer instead of another war.
And unlike the LH ele the ranger doesn’t really have much war replacing potential. At best they can replace one war. It doesn’t grant the kind of benefit the LH ele does through spamming LH into fire fields. The only things it can bring is done by a single ranger at which point you’ll hit high diminishing returns for taking more.

They also lack the utility such as crowd control with that weapon set and we all know how useful the war mace knockdown / guardian pull or banish / mesmer interrupt / LH launch are for CoE farms. Seems like a leech build, exactly like Nike’s necromancer.

This thread would be brazil’s best troll if it manages to convince a couple people to spend their in game gold to craftlvl a ranger.

Does it hurt that much to say that Ranger is useful?

Dolan.3071:

I legitimately have not seem a shout heal warrior in over a year, maybe I’m just lucky. However the pure ranged Guards, Thieves and Rangers are at least one in each PuG. Alternately I have a soft spot for staff Ele’s

I recorded an AC story run yesterday, actually. There was a shout heal warrior using Banner of Defense and Tactics with Fear Me. He also had T3 armor and Flameseeker Prophecies, and used a mainhand Mace with Hammer on the swap. They are still out there everywhere.

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

Dempsey.8760:

My only problem with you saying that destroyer is rubbish easy is that through all of my coe runs with LOD never once did they clear it in 1 try without timewarp. So the ability for your members to predict the ease of encounters or the possible usefulness of some classes is rather funny to me.

Oh man, this brings me back. It’s like GW1 all over again

@Brasil

We usually run the standard paths running standard(ish) tactics, from our experience the Guardian generally doesn’t contribute anything spectacular. We generally observed that it was just a DPS loss, and the things you labeled were kind of like a crutch or luxury that you could do without.

Though, yea. Alphard is the one fight I definitely enjoy having a Guardian and/or Mesmer. The abomination is easy enough without it, players after a few runs should be able to read all of his attacks. Belka doesn’t really do a whole lot, she dies before she ports even with just 4 players, and Brie may as well be a laser-bot.

We generally kill the Hunter first, at the Hunter/Crusher fight. It makes killing the Crusher a little smoother until the Hunter is revived, and the Hunter dies when the Crusher dies anyway (on the assumption that you kill him first). Overall, we find that Guardian in Arah is mostly a luxury, it’s nice to have but with players who are pretty experienced there isn’t much of a need.

(I kind of question killing the Hunter first, it’s not my tactic, but it works I guess).

EDIT: I thought about it some more, I guess my experiences are more so based on “we don’t ever have a guardian” rather than “we found our runs were slower with a guardian”. Dub sometimes claims he’d rather run with 5 warriors, but I’m pretty impartial. We generally just run with what’s available, we don’t particularly have a team build or w/e. There’s a difference between ‘needing’ a Guardian and ‘wanting’ a Guardian

Fair enough. All valid points.

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

Broadicea.8294:

jwaz.1908:

1. I’m fairly certain frost spirit has an internal cooldown that causes the damage increase to be more like 3.5% than 7% to the entire party.

2. That ‘3rd’ warrior slot is much better filled with something else than a ranger (LH ele is a good candidate).

Uploading a video right now showing no ICD on Frost Spirit. Will edit this and insert the link in about a half hour. I did it in the Mists so maybe it’s different in PvE party settings.

If you don’t need feedback (read: Arah), you can essentially drop the Mesmer now. Guard/Ele/Ranger/War/War.

Don’t really need the guard in Arah, either.

Ehhhh…. I’d argue that. GS pull and Wall are good for the mobs at the beginning of path 3, condition removal is good for the Hunter and Crusher, as is reflection, Shield and Aegis are good for the Magecrusher, Wall / Aegis / Stability are good for Lupicus, condition removal and Aegis are good for the Wraithlord, Wall is good for Brie and Belka, Stability is good for the Abom, Wall and Shield are good for Alphard. I don’t see how not having a Guardian would help, and those are only 2 paths… Unless you are completing the dungeons in ways that are “patchable.”

Zenith.7301:

Yeah, I mean it’s not bad for the typical dungeons but for things like fractals 48, newer dungeon designs like Aetherblade lasers and Molten Facility final bosses it is pretty awful.

They just need to remove the pet death 45 sec penalty and just leave the 15-20 sec cd in. Ranger would be a lot better then.

I probably wouldn’t bother taking Ranger into Fractals, but I don’t really do them anymore since I don’t like getting abused. But I agree about the pet swap. Even something like 35 seconds would be great since pets are basically what make a Ranger a Ranger.

Zenith.7301:

This is an old build most rangers have known. The problem is your jaguar will be dead most of the time on any fight with heavy aoe fields. In some encounters you plain need guard shout to keep your pet alive. Otherwise use a drake for the cleaving and it’s slightly reduced damage compared to jaguar…

I’ve not had any big problems with pets dying to AoE. I’ll record some more videos to demonstrate this.

Ather.5091:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

According to the wiki, it has no cooldown. And LH Ele more or less requires specific changes to a group makeup. Standard builds don’t work as well with it.

Isn’t this why we run in guilds? Obviously we would not take a LH into a group without respecing everything to accommodate this. And we still get all 3 paths done <35 min relying on one.

Also, wouldn’t a thief be a better replacement than a ranger?

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

I’d hardly call a former Marine a silly goose, but that’s your call I suppose. Perhaps he’s got a fiery nature.

wha?

Thief would probably be fine in some cases. Thieves, Rangers, and Eles are all pretty good classes in my opinion. They have their own advantages and disadvantages.

And Dempsey has a strong attitude and personality like I do. I just chose to use it differently I guess. Interpret it how you will.

jwaz.1908:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

I don’t really do casual guild runs. If that involves Rangers shooting with a bow and not being useful, then there’s probably no reason to take one. Spotter and Frost Spirit are huge. If you don’t play with Sigil of Perception, you probably aren’t going to be getting close to 95% crit chance unless you are a Guardian with 30 in Radiance. It’s like having an extra Banner of Strength / Discipline. Ranger can be a very good candidate for replacing a Warrior, especially because that 3rd Warrior is pretty much a place filler. That does require a build like this, though, and I don’t expect every pug or casual player to adopt this… Although maybe it will motivate them just a little bit.

1. I’m fairly certain frost spirit has an internal cooldown that causes the damage increase to be more like 3.5% than 7% to the entire party.

2. That ‘3rd’ warrior slot is much better filled with something else than a ranger (LH ele is a good candidate).

According to the wiki, it has no cooldown. And LH Ele more or less requires specific changes to a group makeup. Standard builds don’t work as well with it.

Ather.5091:

Dempsey.8760:

My only problem with you saying that destroyer is rubbish easy is that through all of my coe runs with LOD never once did they clear it in 1 try without timewarp. So the ability for your members to predict the ease of encounters or the possible usefulness of some classes is rather funny to me.

Says the man who said DnT will NEVER run with LH Elementalists and from the looks of it…. DnT is. You have run with us for a while and have had access to our videos with runs where the mesmers forgot to use TW and still got it in one go. This attack is really low considering how much we can say about DnT now.

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

I guess the point is that pugs are pugs and they are inconsistent. Guild runs can be too. Not every run we do is a Strife video super run, but they aren’t really bad. Like I said, I’m just trying to show Ranger’s potential and a build that can demonstrate it.

This statement is too true and too many people forget that. Unfortunately, you have still failed to convince me that ranger is any better to a casual guild run beyond being a space filler. That is unless that is all you are trying to prove. Also I don’t see the usefulness of bringing a class where the only unique party support it provides are the Spotter perk, especially in a party where everyone already has ~95%+ crit chance.

I don’t really do casual guild runs. If that involves Rangers shooting with a bow and not being useful, then there’s probably no reason to take one. Spotter and Frost Spirit are huge. If you don’t play with Sigil of Perception, you probably aren’t going to be getting close to 95% crit chance unless you are a Guardian with 30 in Radiance. It’s like having an extra Banner of Strength / Discipline. Ranger can be a very good candidate for replacing a Warrior, especially because that 3rd Warrior is pretty much a place filler. That does require a build like this, though, and I don’t expect every pug or casual player to adopt this… Although maybe it will motivate them just a little bit.

And guild drama is guild drama. Things go wrong, trash talk occurs. I don’t really care what negative things you may know about my guild, things you can pick apart or whatever the case may be. I’ve got no problem with your guild and I don’t think I have a problem with anyone that claims membership to it. If you’ve got a problem with Dempsey, perhaps it would be best to keep it between the two of you instead. I’m not defending anyone’s actions or words, either. Just trying to prevent drama that won’t benefit anyone.

I guess I’ll do some path 4 runs and record some Simin fights.

I guess the point is that pugs are pugs and they are inconsistent. Guild runs can be too. Not every run we do is a Strife video super run, but they aren’t really bad. Like I said, I’m just trying to show Ranger’s potential and a build that can demonstrate it.

Broadicea.8294:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

My DPS as Ranger is really on par with a Warrior. If it weren’t, things would be noticeably slower and there is actually differentiation in clear times. Ranger’s also add 7% damage via Frost Spirit to everyone, as well as 150 Precision from Spotter. Bad players play all classes, it’s not exclusive to Ranger.

1500+ plus hours and I pug dungeons a lot. There are far more bad players on Ranger than any other class.

But you’ve definitely opened my eyes, so thanks for that. I have always said that when Rangers are finally fixed I’ll play the kitten out of mine. There are still major issues with them, but the issues aren’t as bad as I thought.

For every Longbow and Brown Bear Ranger, there is at least one PVT Shout Heal Warrior.

I’m simply trying to demonstrate that they aren’t some abysmal class with no DPS like a lot of people seem to think. I’m sure there are a lot of people that would never expect to see the Destroyer killed in 16 seconds with a Ranger in the group. Don’t get me wrong, I never thought a Ranger was capable of this until I actually started doing tests of my own.

jwaz.1908:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

jwaz.1908:

I realize this is somewhat of a troll thread, but I would still like to point out how easy it is to kill the destroyer in one try with an optimized set up (even with 4 people its easy), so with a ranger it isn’t all that impressive.

It’s not really a troll thread. The point of the video is that Rangers aren’t as bad as people seem to think they are.

Alright, so you can do average dps with a ranger so what? Doesn’t change the fact that every other class can out dps them, and that they offer no sort of party support or useful utility (as you said).

The main reason why everyone hates rangers is due to the type of people who play them, aka people who’d rather sit at a safe distance and range targets. I can say from experience (I’ve played ranger for 1900 hours or so) that rangers support laziness and bad party awareness.

My DPS as Ranger is really on par with a Warrior. If it weren’t, things would be noticeably slower and there is actually differentiation in clear times. Ranger’s also add 7% damage via Frost Spirit to everyone, as well as 150 Precision from Spotter. Bad players play all classes, it’s not exclusive to Ranger.

Vox Hollow.2736:

He makes the assumption that in my spare time I am actively denying any evidence put forth to me.

…what?
Good gravy, I know I have a penchant for being too wordy, but was my original statement really that confusing? I’m so lost I don’t even know how I should be clarifying.

To be fair, I have no idea what it meant. Maybe I’m just an idiot, though.

swiftpaw.6397:

Vox Hollow.2736:

@swiftpaw
Like, seventeen billion slave driver videos later and people are only just now getting a conscience about strawman science? Doesn’t it seem a little late for that?

Re: Subject Alpha
By virtue of stacking and having people dodge into a pillar/wall, you’re hitting the five person cap on AOEs automagically. There was an update a while ago that changed pets into being the lowest priority for AOE, which is why you might have experienced it one way at first and then come back later to find it different.

I am referring to alpha fight in particular but nice try. Pet’s still dead on alot of other stuff. Not surprised if it survives in cof, that dungeon is easy mode.

http://youtu.be/Lwf-cpHjqQU

Watch the Alpha fight. Be amazed.

swiftpaw.6397:

Only problem I have with this.. is this. This is the destroyer. He’s rubbish easy. You can stand there without issue and whale on him while a guardian blocks his dragon’s tooth every so often. I find that melee’ing on ranger with the sword 1 chain to be alot more difficult in other situations, especially as glass cannon which leaves you like paper. 2 issues are this- 1 is that the auto chain can lock you in place, 2 is the pet which is gonna get destroyed in most fights so you can forget about that dps ( I’m looking @ u alpha).

The real problem I have with ranger is that it can be good dps, in select situations like the destroyer.. But these situations are few and far between. I’d like to be able to run ranger for every speedclear, and have it be viable for every part of a speedclear, not just the parts where it doesn’t matter what class you brought as long as it was glass. Also I’m interested to know where you’re placing frost spirit on Alpha, I always fantasized about having that extra 10% dmg buff.

I’m guessing a way around the crappy ( but high damage, yes) sword auto attack lock could be to pick up an ele weapon. He only really needs one hammer per alpha encounter anyways if you kill him fast enough.

Alpha doesn’t really kill the pets. I was surprised that they were staying alive, but I’ve not done a CoE run yet where I’ve had a problem with them dying. The Sword chain really isn’t that bad once you are familiar with it and can make use of it effectively.

Broadicea.8294:

from my limited and NOT AT ALL experienced ranger play, I’d suggest axe offhand for swap unless you know you’re going to need the evade from SB. Path of Scars is a multi-target (in a line) pull for errant mobs that aren’t in the cleave radius, and you can probably add Whirling to the reflect rotation if you have Guard and Mesmer.

I don’t know how well Whirling Defense works for having people cluster up inside the reflect boundary though.

I was talking to a guildie about that last night. I’ll probably end up taking that.

colesy.8490:

The problem is, it requires rangers to adopt your playstyle rather than lol shortbow spam.

Not to say it’s hard, but people do tend to be stuck in their ways (ranger = 100% range guys, kitten )

I guess so, but people don’t have to play Ranger like I do if they don’t want to. It would help for speed clearing though.

jwaz.1908:

I realize this is somewhat of a troll thread, but I would still like to point out how easy it is to kill the destroyer in one try with an optimized set up (even with 4 people its easy), so with a ranger it isn’t all that impressive.

It’s not really a troll thread. The point of the video is that Rangers aren’t as bad as people seem to think they are.

Broadicea.8294:

Ok, been trying mine out with a 30/30/10 build and now Brazil’s build. I have to admit that they’re capable of more damage than I thought, BUT.

-sword auto still sucks because of the anti-evasion mechanics and the only way to mitigate that is to turn off auto and slow down, which reduces deeps. somewhat taken care of by flanking with an aggro-magnet anchor, but it’s still an annoyance.

-I really don’t feel like you can take more than one ranger like this in your party and maintain top clear times, since their two main party buffs that warriors can’t bring are Spotter and Frost Spirit, which won’t stack from multiple rangers.

-I think I’m still doing more damage when I pick up an ele’s lightning hammer. That shouldn’t be the case on an aggressive damage class which it seems the ranger is supposed to be. I don’t think that’s the case for warrior, guardian, or thief.

-Pet AI and pathing still sucks kitten . I get pretty sick of seeing my Jaguar not realize an enemy has moved away, then try to catch up to them only to overshoot and waste time repositioning (go go A* pathing). He always picks the time of an enemy being at 25 vuln and QZ+Stealth being active to do this, of course.

Still, even with the caveats, not bad at all. Good enough to add mine to my dungeon alt rotation anyway.

You can evade after the first 2 autoattacks in the Sword chain and after the third attack. You just have to take some time and learn the timing. Taking more than 1 Ranger along probably isn’t worth it either, since you are really just bringing for the unique bonuses. You quite possibly are doing more damage with LH just because of how Ranger weapons work. That’s also something I’d like to test more in the future.

As far as pet AI though, it is a pain sometimes, but I don’t have as much of a problem with it as I thought I did. I guess I’ve just gotten more used to how it works, sort of like I did with Sword. Sword is still irritating at times, though.

http://youtu.be/5Bjq1vcnhpQ

There’s the full build guide.

Dolan.3071:

>Accidentally deselects boss
>Goes flying off edge

That doesn’t really happen to me though.

colesy.8490:

Homonavn.6348:

Woah… How? kitten

full ascended gear

I have a rare back piece. The only Ascended gear I have are the rings.

Broadicea.8294:

I guess the premise is that one Ranger bringing Spotter and Frost Spirit might marginally eek out more party damage than a warrior in that same party spot. But you’d have to perform at max efficiency the whole time, I would think.

Funny that they’re a Frost-Spotter bot though. Kinda like Mesmers.

http://youtu.be/mGJylZBKmos

Have some more evidence.

http://youtu.be/mGJylZBKmos

Boom, Ranger’d. I never thought I’d see this happen.

docMed.7692:

Harrahou.4518:

docMed.7692:

Is this thread still going on? If you want to post a video, post it. Where you went wrong was posting a hype-thread on content that people regularly crush in pugs, let alone efficiently farm in guild groups. Next time just post the video outright and say “here’s my guide on how we efficiently farm cof”.

I’d be interested in seeing the video from a Ranger’s perspective personally.

I dont know if this thread ended. But I can tell you this, there is one ranger in the guild and it’s not me. I can’t play ranger PvE I play guard/war/mes and theif. Thats what I know. But I can tell you I often have this ranger in my party and our runs lose no time. I do understand my mistake xD

One minute you’re claiming cof p1 world record clearing times; now it’s “my groups are just as fast as normal groups” and to top it off you’re also admitting to not even understanding how your group composition functions? I take no pleasure in finding loopholes in this conversation, but man… these are quite drastic. Either way, I’m still in support of seeing some video evidence of your claims; but based on my pve and pvp experience on my Ranger I don’t quite see the place for them unless the fights are short (like cof) in order to avoid pet deaths and glaring dps gaps that would be shown in much longer fights.

There’s not really a glaring difference between Ranger DPS and Warrior DPS, especially since a lot of fights are pretty short. And since I’m a fan of evidence:

http://youtu.be/Lwf-cpHjqQU
http://youtu.be/qLJg3VarKm4

The issue isn’t a lack of DPS, it’s a lack of technique. Setting her up in a corner where people can stand so they won’t aggro sparks, running the sparks quickly, helping people that are petrified quickly, and not pushing her around the room. I’ve been in groups with PVT Staff Eles and Guardians, people that had never done the path before, and if the fight is set up correctly, having low DPS isn’t really a problem. The problem is a lack of finesse, like I’ve mentioned before.

Bismuth.3165:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Bismuth.3165:

I also had this bug when I did arah p4 for the first time, we had to reset simin twice, took us 2 hours, I’m surprised anet didn’t fix it yet, it was the first time for 4 of us, so, like you said, the first try I didn’t really know when people got petrified or not but the 2nd time we were doing pretty good and the bug was still there, the sparks were put in their spots quickly too, anet should really fix the problem.
First try before reset, took a really long while because we thought it was just a boss mechanic, but then it was taking too long and it didn’t really go under 50%, so someone searched and we had to reset…

If she heals back above 50% health, she will stealth at 50% again. The only way that this really happens is taking too long with the sparks. If you can get the sparks in 15 seconds or less the fight goes very smoothly.

Like I mentioned, 4 of us were first timers, including me, and what you said doesn’t make it any less of a bug, if we don’t run sparks fast enough she will regen more health, that’s the boss mechanic, with the bug, if you don’t run sparks fast enough you’ll have to reset.

There’s not a bug, though.

Harrahou.4518:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Harrahou.4518:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Harrahou.4518:

Well this seems fairy civil now thank you everyone for your contributions to this post I will not upload a video as a guide thanks to everyone’s great feedback.

I don’t understand. You aren’t going to upload a guide because it’s become civil?

I am not going to upload a guide because people wont appreciate it. Build video’s can be found on Strifes channel. The warrior build by Brazil, Mesmer Build is the 30,30,0,0,10 mes build, thief is on backstab 25,30,0,0,15 our current video shows enough of what we do so there is the full guide xD

But I am Brazil. It’s a Warrior build by me. And I guess that makes sense. It probably won’t ease any hostility towards you saying you aren’t going to upload videos, though.

I knew you were Brazil from start. As soon as I saw your name on here I knew kitten was going down. Just something for you, we regularly run with a ranger and our runs drop no time…Rangers are the meta man. I will upload video’s but it just wont be guides. xD

Replacing 1 Warrior with a Ranger is a good idea. People will hate, but it’s a good plan.

Harrahou.4518:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Harrahou.4518:

Well this seems fairy civil now thank you everyone for your contributions to this post I will not upload a video as a guide thanks to everyone’s great feedback.

I don’t understand. You aren’t going to upload a guide because it’s become civil?

I am not going to upload a guide because people wont appreciate it. Build video’s can be found on Strifes channel. The warrior build by Brazil, Mesmer Build is the 30,30,0,0,10 mes build, thief is on backstab 25,30,0,0,15 our current video shows enough of what we do so there is the full guide xD

But I am Brazil. It’s a Warrior build by me. And I guess that makes sense. It probably won’t ease any hostility towards you saying you aren’t going to upload videos, though.

Harrahou.4518:

Well this seems fairy civil now thank you everyone for your contributions to this post I will not upload a video as a guide thanks to everyone’s great feedback.

I don’t understand. You aren’t going to upload a guide because it’s become civil?

Harrahou.4518:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Harrahou.4518:

spoj.9672:

Harrahou.4518:

swiftpaw.6397:

PUG= Pick up group. Meaning you pick up a group of people you very likely have never come into contact with before. You have no idea of their gear or skill level and no planned coordination other than common sense and the hopes that everyone’s watched a video at some point or done it before somewhere. I have a group of friends I do things with too, I would chose them over random pugs any day of the week and it’s not just because they’re nice guys.. it’s because we know how to work together and we know exactly what each of us is doing. GL getting random pugs to do that.

Your exactly right. But a certain minority that will watch a video helping them out will be able to go ahead and attempt to pass knowledge on. Gw2 is a community game, why complain about someone trying to help the community with what he is good at? I get my idea is flawed in quite a few ways, and one being your comment, but forgive me for wanting to try xD

Read my previous post. The people in this game rarely have any interest in learning from more experienced players. They are rude and ignorant and incredibly stupid.

Well that will be too bad for them, they have lost an extra 2g per hour.

A lot of pugs don’t really care about that as much as they do thinking that they are super speed clear geniuses, and that’s what a lot of CoF farming pugs are like. They don’t really want to listen to advice since they already think they are right.

As I said too bad for them.

Fair enough, I guess.

Harrahou.4518:

spoj.9672:

Harrahou.4518:

swiftpaw.6397:

PUG= Pick up group. Meaning you pick up a group of people you very likely have never come into contact with before. You have no idea of their gear or skill level and no planned coordination other than common sense and the hopes that everyone’s watched a video at some point or done it before somewhere. I have a group of friends I do things with too, I would chose them over random pugs any day of the week and it’s not just because they’re nice guys.. it’s because we know how to work together and we know exactly what each of us is doing. GL getting random pugs to do that.

Your exactly right. But a certain minority that will watch a video helping them out will be able to go ahead and attempt to pass knowledge on. Gw2 is a community game, why complain about someone trying to help the community with what he is good at? I get my idea is flawed in quite a few ways, and one being your comment, but forgive me for wanting to try xD

Read my previous post. The people in this game rarely have any interest in learning from more experienced players. They are rude and ignorant and incredibly stupid.

Well that will be too bad for them, they have lost an extra 2g per hour.

A lot of pugs don’t really care about that as much as they do thinking that they are super speed clear geniuses, and that’s what a lot of CoF farming pugs are like. They don’t really want to listen to advice since they already think they are right.

Harrahou.4518:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Harrahou.4518:

If i new how to take threads down I would, I dont want my thread turning into an argument about CoF. My replies probs dont help my means xD

That’s not really something that’s avoidable. You’ve made a claim, took awhile to provide evidence, and the end result wasn’t really that impressive. I don’t see how you could avoid arguments when this is the situation that arises.

If anyone took notice of what the thread was originally about I doubt it would have gotten to the stage that it is now.

I want to go ahead and reply to this one while I’m still thinking about it. It looks like the original post was deleted, so I don’t think there’s any way of knowing what the thread was supposed to be about now.

Harrahou.4518:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Harrahou.4518:

Syn Sity.5826:

Wukunlin.8461:

we’ve been through this like what, 2 months ago?

The funny thing is, it’s the same kitten thief. These guys are too busy talking about how great their runs are to realize that pug tactics and record tactics are two totally different things.

But why do they have to be different tactics. Why can’t pug groups start doing it like record runs minus the 25silver on food.

Because the skill level and coordination are huge variables.

I am not going to disagree the thing that makes DnT such good dungeon runners is their skill and co ordination. But all the runs we do is through game chat, we are not even a proper guild. 50 members in the guild MARS a LFG guild that is non rep. coordination as good as any pugs.

No, because your group that did this has probably practiced it countless times together, know exactly what each of your roles are, have builds ironed out perfectly, and all of the other things you would find in an organized group. Saying that it’s as good as any pug is really just an ignorant statement.

Harrahou.4518:

Syn Sity.5826:

Wukunlin.8461:

we’ve been through this like what, 2 months ago?

The funny thing is, it’s the same kitten thief. These guys are too busy talking about how great their runs are to realize that pug tactics and record tactics are two totally different things.

But why do they have to be different tactics. Why can’t pug groups start doing it like record runs minus the 25silver on food.

Because the skill level and coordination are huge variables.

Harrahou.4518:

If i new how to take threads down I would, I dont want my thread turning into an argument about CoF. My replies probs dont help my means xD

That’s not really something that’s avoidable. You’ve made a claim, took awhile to provide evidence, and the end result wasn’t really that impressive. I don’t see how you could avoid arguments when this is the situation that arises.

colesy.8490:

Harrahou.4518:

watch?v=GOuOmNL4yEY

Thats the video I will upload new guides soon

Note this is pre-patch, hence the instant focus pull at the start rather than with the now 1 second cooldown.

Secondly, Strife has left and don’t think he even cares, so if all of you people trying to beat DnT could put your raging erections away for beating their time that would be nice.

There’s not really any reason to get hostile over it. I’m sure that there will be groups that come along and beat our times, but that’s just a part of the game. That being said, I was expecting kind of a mind blowing CoF strategy that no one had ever thought of. I didn’t really see that here :/

Harrahou.4518:

watch?v=GOuOmNL4yEY

Thats the video I will upload new guides soon

Umm… Alright.

Alright, I’ll look forward to it.

I still don’t even know where this other thread is or what their clear time was.

HELLruler.4820:

But I thought that was normal, when she hits 50% hp, she goes stealth. Then lure the sparks and hit her. Then she’ll go stealth each 10-15 secs if I’m not mistaken

She doesnt heal a lot though, you just need coordination

Btw, I don think thats a bug. Under her health bar, it says she goes invisible and heals, or just invisible, or just heal. But thats the fight

If you take the sparks into their “cages” in around 10-15 seconds (which isn’t too hard to manage), you’ll have about 40 seconds to DPS her. If you are only getting 10-15 seconds to DPS her… That’s some REALLY slow spark running.

Bismuth.3165:

I also had this bug when I did arah p4 for the first time, we had to reset simin twice, took us 2 hours, I’m surprised anet didn’t fix it yet, it was the first time for 4 of us, so, like you said, the first try I didn’t really know when people got petrified or not but the 2nd time we were doing pretty good and the bug was still there, the sparks were put in their spots quickly too, anet should really fix the problem.
First try before reset, took a really long while because we thought it was just a boss mechanic, but then it was taking too long and it didn’t really go under 50%, so someone searched and we had to reset…

If she heals back above 50% health, she will stealth at 50% again. The only way that this really happens is taking too long with the sparks. If you can get the sparks in 15 seconds or less the fight goes very smoothly.

Not running sparks fast enough usually causes all of the “bugs” that people find. It’s more like a lack of finesse than it is a bug.

Nikaido.3457:

Adding more dredge is always the right choice to make an encounter truly fascinating and enjoyable.

Lupicus should spawn a dredge cart and legendary mining suit during each phase transition.

I’m moving to France and we are going to marry.

SkyChef.5432:

Maybe, it’s just a job security issue.

That… Ouch.

Wukunlin.8461:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Nerf-TA-F-U
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/TA-Where-did-all-the-spiders-come-from
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Please-FIX-the-dungeon-Boss-Encounters
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Twilight-Arbor-F-U-boss-solo
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/TA-F-U-naked-edition
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/TA-path-fwd-up
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/TA-F-U-Final-Boss-Question-Problem
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Nice-TA-path3-kitten-up-there
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/TA-F-U-spiders-change
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Issue-with-Twilight-Arbor-last-path
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Twilight-Arbor-EXP-Forward-Up

what laharl said basically

I see a recurring theme here.

I’m going to follow this thread like I follow girls in Barnes & Nobles.

Maybe this was a work around to his non-functioning Defiant stacks.