Guild Wars 2

X T D.6458:

I thought they were just getting rid of post 80 skill points, either way the full heal/knockback on levelup should have been removed from wvw long ago.

You won’t get XP anymore when you’re level 80. But of course we don’t know if reaching a mastery point will have the same full heal/launch effect…

Rangelost.4857:

Gotta love it when someone leaves the match before it even starts because of the map

People just need to stop voting for Skyhammer and Courtyard and this problem will go away

Your wish might just be granted with HoT and the mastery system replacing exp for level 80s.

xDudisx.5914:

Tom Gore.4035:

xDudisx.5914:

Corpse colision with friendly players would make combat in wvw much more complex. You wouldn’t be able to stack everyone in the same place for hammer train. In pve it would make content harder.

It’ll never come to PvE because that would open up countless griefing opportunities.

That said, it’ll probably never come to WvW either because of technical reasons, but there it would be awesome.

Griefing opportunities? Like making a wall of players to block a bridge or something like that? There options to solve that. Like instead of 100% colision just a chill/slow effect or pushing against the player making it to move a little…..

Was thinking more like blocking players from escaping monsters and letting them die. And the pushing option wouldn’t work if the other party was actively pushing back. Besides, allowing pushing would be even more prone to griefing. Hey let’s push that fellow player off the cliff

One option would obviously be still allowing dodge rolling through players.

Lol at all the people thinking you can use Taunt often and that it’s a long effect.

It’s a CC effect and as such, will have a relatively long CD and a relatively short duration. Just like all the other CC effects in the game.

If it would be spammable with long duration it would just break the whole game, period.

Wake up.

Those who say permastealthing thieves are not OP because they’re not doing anything have apparently never chased two of them around your keep/castle for a couple of hours.

Wanze.8410:

Tom Gore.4035:

Wanze.8410:

phys.7689:

Wanze.8410:

phys.7689:

Now, is this the case with silk? who knows, but we cant find out, because we cant adjust the supply.

We cant find out by adjusting supply but its not neccessary because Anet can.
They have all the metrics, of how much silk scraps and weaving threads get created per day, how much gets destroyed and how much get bought and sold at which price point.

So in the case that falling silk prices and rising silk supply dont result in added demand for damask, there is not need to further devalue it.

according to most capitalist theory, and they could be wrong, but this is the common belief,
One entity is generally considered to be inferior to the market itself at finding the right price points for items.
Complaints are generally that such an entity would be less responsive, more rigid, and have effected by concerns outside of the price of the specific good itself.

im sure economists have debated this many times, i dont think there is a 100% right answer for all situations, but in this situation i see it like this.
for a long time, anets numbers had us oversupplying silk to the point it became valueless
as a solution to that problem, Ascendeds item requirements, created a bunch of new problems, like proffesion progression inequality, an apparently high feeling of grind, increased farming activity etc.

i feel like the single entity is not currently as effecient at finding these sweet spots as many claim a more free market to be.

i generally find that items that have targetable means of supply tend to have their price more closely aligned with a value that people feel comfortable buying, supplying and selling them

i dont think we are there for silk, or leather.

But we have been oversupplying silk for months now and just because silk is not at your sweet spot, doesnt mean its not at a sweet spot for everybody else.

The oversupplying is already over. Supply is going down and price is going up ever since Wintersday is over. What is your solution now? Introduce another festival to bring another temporary supply for silk? Or MAYBE it’s time to introduce a permanent solution? Eh?

I would opt for another temporary or timegated solution, like an item that consumes dragonite and gives out silk.

The latter I would be all over about, no doubt.

But it would again be just a temporary solution. After the initial rush of extra dragonite turned into extra silk would be gone, the problem would come back.

Are you sure you’re not opposed to getting a steady, controllable supply of silk just because the current fluctuating oversupply/undersupply makes it easier for you to make money on the TP?

Ravezaar.4951:

If EotM would be the future of WvW then the PvE’rs can have this bloody game. Us true RvR-players have our sight elsewhere anyway so this is just a stop on the Journey towards out goal, wich exist in another game…

Anet struck WvW on day 1 and it has slowly bin dying ever since

Rave

Are you talking about Camelot Unchained? I wouldn’t place too much trust upon that Messiah. Following it closely myself, but their resources are quite small and I feel they might not be able to pull it through.

Wanze.8410:

phys.7689:

Wanze.8410:

phys.7689:

Now, is this the case with silk? who knows, but we cant find out, because we cant adjust the supply.

We cant find out by adjusting supply but its not neccessary because Anet can.
They have all the metrics, of how much silk scraps and weaving threads get created per day, how much gets destroyed and how much get bought and sold at which price point.

So in the case that falling silk prices and rising silk supply dont result in added demand for damask, there is not need to further devalue it.

according to most capitalist theory, and they could be wrong, but this is the common belief,
One entity is generally considered to be inferior to the market itself at finding the right price points for items.
Complaints are generally that such an entity would be less responsive, more rigid, and have effected by concerns outside of the price of the specific good itself.

im sure economists have debated this many times, i dont think there is a 100% right answer for all situations, but in this situation i see it like this.
for a long time, anets numbers had us oversupplying silk to the point it became valueless
as a solution to that problem, Ascendeds item requirements, created a bunch of new problems, like proffesion progression inequality, an apparently high feeling of grind, increased farming activity etc.

i feel like the single entity is not currently as effecient at finding these sweet spots as many claim a more free market to be.

i generally find that items that have targetable means of supply tend to have their price more closely aligned with a value that people feel comfortable buying, supplying and selling them

i dont think we are there for silk, or leather.

But we have been oversupplying silk for months now and just because silk is not at your sweet spot, doesnt mean its not at a sweet spot for everybody else.

The oversupplying is already over. Supply is going down and price is going up ever since Wintersday is over. What is your solution now? Introduce another festival to bring another temporary supply for silk? Or MAYBE it’s time to introduce a permanent solution? Eh?

OP are you serious? If you are, please stay in PvE where you belong and leave WvW (and even EotM) the hell alone.

xDudisx.5914:

Corpse colision with friendly players would make combat in wvw much more complex. You wouldn’t be able to stack everyone in the same place for hammer train. In pve it would make content harder.

It’ll never come to PvE because that would open up countless griefing opportunities.

That said, it’ll probably never come to WvW either because of technical reasons, but there it would be awesome.

Will a channeled, rooting skill with a random chance of being useful every 30 seconds be viable in high-level PvP? Probably not.

100b never left the low-level PvP though. I still enjoy tearing people in WvW/Hotjoin to shreds with bull rush + 100b and I don’t even need quickness to do it.

Every class is viable, so you should be talking about builds, not classes.

I wanna see that duel, so one you better record it.

The specialization is called Cupid and you shoot hearts at people, which makes their attacks all shoot hearts too and soon the battlefield is turned into a GIGANTIC CLUSTERF*** OF LOVE!

Some of them are challenging, but all of them are soloable. That said, if you had problems doing the 5-8 ep achies solo, you’ll probably have trouble with the 1-4 ep achies, too.

Wanze, what do you have to say about the recent trend of supply dropping quickly and price going back up again? We know it’s because the extra supply from Wintersday isn’t there anymore, but does this mean to keep the silk price at human levels Anet needs to introduce more temporary supply boosts?

Why not fix it once and for all by doing what phys is suggesting and moving (most) supply from non-intended to intended?

Donari.5237:

Now that’s harsh. Frozen Maw and Shadow Behemoth and Fire Elemental don’t require 80’s or even 20’s. They are in starter zones, after all.

Nope, but if the player is seeing magenta levels at those events he’s ~level 5 himself.

Introduce collision detection for friendlies AND enemies (basically a “forced melee assist”) and you would see WvW transform into a battlefield instead of two ultra-concentrated globs running though each other.

I know, Anet servers would melt if they did that, as they cannot even handle three-way fights that happen currently.

Still, one can dream. It would open the world to massive opportunities and new tactics, not to mention the fights would look much more realistic and feel even more chaotic than today.

You’re speaking as if everyone would then have Resistance up 24/7 in a zerg, which probably isn’t going to be a case, as that would alone kill any remaining condition builds from WvW.

Yes it should block retaliation, too. I’m assuming it will be rare enough so that it can be used offensively to deliver a burst.

The only reason Stealth is not fixed is because it prevents capping and thus thieves are not OP in Conquest.

In WvW, it’s a ridiculously no-risk, high-reward mechanic that has little counterplay save from using stealth traps. The very notion that Anet had to introduce a trap in WvW to combat a single character mechanic tells me it’s broken.

If I would fix stealth, I would prevent stacking the duration and preventing new applications of stealth being applied while already in stealth. This would fix most problems stealth brings in WvW while still keeping it a viable combat mechanic.

Shadow refuge would have to be redone if this change was made, obviously.

It’s been there awhile. Most people don’t even recognize the bug, but it’s quite easy to replicate. Keep giving the dolly swiftness and by the end of the run it will be easily 1000-2000 units ahead of where it shows on your screen.

Also the “risk” of running into an enemy zerg that stalls or even wipes you is significantly higher in WvW than in EotM, despite the fact there’s lot less room to maneuver around in EotM.

Astral Projections.7320:

Tom Gore.4035:

Exeon.4358:

Tom Gore.4035:

Whatever the drop rate now, there have been loads of better gold farming methods introduced into the game after this thread was created. 2-3 gold per half an hour is just not “good” anymore.

Keep in mind back then the same materials costed only 1/3 of it’s current price

That’s why I upped the OP’s result by 50-100%. Still not worth it.

No, not now. However this was within the first year and back then they didn’t have the good farming spots like now. iirc, dungeons didn’t give as much gold as they now do and there weren’t champ farms, because no champ bags, and certainly no Silverwastes. So it was a good farm for that period of time, which is why so many farmed there.

… which is what I said in my first post.

This topic pops out every week or so. Yes, the OS could use some more rewards, but they should really be mostly WvW rewards, so that the PvE people don’t start whining like a bunch of babies when they get ganked trying to get their phat lewt.

Possible rewards I would put there if I were a dev:

• Liquid World XP
• Superior/Guild siege blueprints
• WvW trap blueprints
• More badges
• Supply?
• Upgrade tokens (or just give a choice of purchasing upgrades with badges)
• Limited PvP finishers (common drop)
• Unlimited PvP finishers (rare drop)
• Mistforged hero weapon tokens

Those from the top of my head.

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

Tom Gore.4035:

There is no such thing as “enough Laurels” as long as you can turn each Laurel into ~1 gold. That’s ~20 gold right there, which you can use to buy the contents of the other selections and still have money left over (unless of course you’d be lucky to get 2 damask, which probably happens about 1 time out of every 8 or so).

Sorry to break your illusion of meaningful choice, but not selecting the laurel bag from the Chest of Loyalty is just throwing gold out of the window.

You should read my other posts, you’ll get a better idea of what I’m about. I don’t care if it’s an “illusion of meaningful choice”. The game’s full of such illusions, from what you want to choose when you create your character to what order you choose, to what dyes you want to use.

I don’t care about Gold – there is nothing I want bad enough which is out of reach. I’m not interested in Legendaries, so Precursors are off the slate. The permanent contracts? The only one of potential value to me is the permanent bank contract so I can stick it in my bag and potentially just carry less around.

By extension, things which earn me Gold aren’t as interesting because they earn me Gold as they are for what I can do with them. Crafting components are interesting because I can make items with them, hang onto them until I need them. Karma lets me drop Temple Armor at a whim on a fresh Level 80, but that’s about it. Dungeons only interest me when I run them within the guild and with less intent to speed-clear it than to just make it to the end alive.

Further by extension, I do things because I want to do them. Which includes even doing more than logging in, saying hello and adjusting a few items around my character inventories. I don’t want to hit a world boss? Skip it. Don’t feel like dealing with Claw of Jormag? I’ll just find something else to do – the game’s full of that.

About the only thing I fully regret is not getting in on a good Triple Trouble run when it was a hot thing to do. Never got to experience that.

You should probably check the definition of “lucrative”. It’s not really subjective when (almost) all the choices can be measured with a common currency, like gold.

The fact that you have almost everything in the game does not mean that the bag of laurels is still the most lucrative choice from the chest of loyalty. Not the most “interesting” or “exciting” perhaps, but certainly the most lucrative.

Exeon.4358:

Tom Gore.4035:

Whatever the drop rate now, there have been loads of better gold farming methods introduced into the game after this thread was created. 2-3 gold per half an hour is just not “good” anymore.

Keep in mind back then the same materials costed only 1/3 of it’s current price

That’s why I upped the OP’s result by 50-100%. Still not worth it.

Wanze.8410:

phys.7689:

Wanze.8410:

darkace.8925:

Wanze.8410:

phys.7689:

a percieved problem is a real problem.

Which is easily fixed by changing the perception.

Then convince me that those needing to ore can focus-farm it with 100% reliability while those needing cloth cannot is unfair is a good thing. Convince me that inequity on both ends of the supply and demand equation for cloth compared to ore is a good thing.

The real problem was that silk was too expensive, the perceived problem is that it can only be fixed by introducing a direct farm, which is untrue.

Anet added additional indirect sources of silk during season 2 which lowered the silk value, so the problem is fixed already.

If they add direct silk nodes, silk price will fall to such a value that people wont feel that it is worth their time anymore to directly harvest it for an hour because you only get 3g worth of silk. So they rather earn 5 gold with something else in that hour and then buy the scraps.

you realized, that what you are describing, is essentially according to a lot of current economics, the best way to find a good price point the suppliers, and the buyers feel comfortable with?

essentially, when the price of silk drops to the point its no longer worth gathering, then people stop gathering it, the supply falls, an the price goes up, then people gather it again, until people find the point that all parties agree is the real value of the item. If you dont like the price you are free to get it yourself.

the difference between that and this, is that that since people cannot supply it directly, the supply does not adapt to the demand, and the price does not represent a value that people actually feel comfortable with, based on their daily needs.

The actual price on the tp IS the price that suppliers and consumers are comfortable with. The facts that silk scraps basically lost value all through Season 2 and the supply on the tp in that time rose by 400% a clear indications to me that supply exceeds demand for a long time now.

So why is there a need for people to directly farm silk now? It makes absolutely no sense.

Phys suggested that by making cloth directly farmable, the random drops of cloth could be reduced at the same time.

I’m in the same boat. I think that there should be more ways to harvest crafting materials intently, and less random drops that people just TP off because they don’t need them.

You’re looking at the situation at a global level, whereas we’re trying to look at it at an individual level. Having more ways to directly affect what you get from your gameplay means more fun. At least I would wager that’s the case for the majority of players.

But your comparison would amount to us attacking the pale tree Sylvari, effectively the player character sylvari too. We’re not doing that. You’re going to kill dragon minions that are allied with the dragon.

Unless you actually did mean that the next expansion should be about attacking the Flame Legion in force? In that case, that may happen when we go against Kralkatorrik.

But attacking the Charr that are currently residing in Ascalon isn’t going to happen. You do realize that?

Sounds interesting. Not going to take part, but will be interested to watch the streams.

Greatsword is a mobility power weapon with good cleaving. Odds are it will be like that on the necro, too.

I think the biggest question is, does this skill still reflect siege weapons?

Whatever the drop rate now, there have been loads of better gold farming methods introduced into the game after this thread was created. 2-3 gold per half an hour is just not “good” anymore.

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

Tom Gore.4035:

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

Novuake.2691:

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

Get the Chest of Loyalty from the end of the Daily Login, pick Ascended Materials . . . it had a Lesser Vision Crystal in there the two times I opened it.

That is depressing…

Not really, it gives more than one item. The first time it was Damask, the second it was Elonian Leather.

The only way choosing the Ascended Mats is more lucrative than the bag of 20 laurels is if you really have trouble getting T7 mats (which you shouldn’t after SW was launched) or if you feel lucky enough to score two bolts of damask every time.

It’s not about lucrative for me. It’s about “I have enough Laurels, and the other stuff doesn’t interest me right now”.

There is no such thing as “enough Laurels” as long as you can turn each Laurel into ~1 gold. That’s ~20 gold right there, which you can use to buy the contents of the other selections and still have money left over (unless of course you’d be lucky to get 2 damask, which probably happens about 1 time out of every 8 or so).

Sorry to break your illusion of meaningful choice, but not selecting the laurel bag from the Chest of Loyalty is just throwing gold out of the window.

Huddi.8297:

Tom Gore.4035:

Do writs of exp still work in WvW?

Yes, however not when you are in combat.

Ok it’s fixed then. Didn’t see it in any patch notes, but good to know.

Thalionsir.5976:

Basically, keep an eye on your Queen, humans. I hope it at least concerns you that she essentially has the power over others minds. No one in a position of authority should have such power.

So you’d rather have an authority who is controlled by another Mesmer?

Do writs of exp still work in WvW?

But you can already fight Charr. They’re called the Flame Legion.

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

Novuake.2691:

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

Get the Chest of Loyalty from the end of the Daily Login, pick Ascended Materials . . . it had a Lesser Vision Crystal in there the two times I opened it.

That is depressing…

Not really, it gives more than one item. The first time it was Damask, the second it was Elonian Leather.

The only way choosing the Ascended Mats is more lucrative than the bag of 20 laurels is if you really have trouble getting T7 mats (which you shouldn’t after SW was launched) or if you feel lucky enough to score two bolts of damask every time.

A F2P (or B2P) MMO needs both types of players. They need the ones who pay RL money, and the big mass that doesn’t play so that the world has enough people playing.

Yeah I just refuse to use ranger sword mobility with about face. It just feels wrong.

Also worth to add without a decent nest’s egg you’re not going to make much money on the TP, and 8g is way too little to get started.

Which brings me back to buying gems with cash and trading for gold…

As stated before, just run the chest farm in SW and you’ll be swimming in T7 mats soon.

Anyway, you can stop wishing for pistols because the shield has already shown in the trailer to be the mesmer specs new weapon.

adeimantus.5028:

Pls pls pls!! Give mesmer main hand focus. Only profession to dual wield foci. Would be excellent.

Anet cannot do that because of the alcoholic insinuations for wielding two foaming tankards.

Cygnus.6903:

YuiRS.8129:

with Warrior being one of the best roamers and in sPvP bruiser Hambow builds are one of the most overpowered things in the game right now.

What?

The best roamers in WvW;

1.Thief
2.Engineer
3.Mesmer
4.Elementalist
5.Ranger
6.Warrior
7.Guardian
8.Necro

Mesmer, Ranger and Elementalist are very debatable, and perhaps guardian should be way higher too, but they lack mobility which is an important tool. But warrior is so outclassed in fighting by the first 5 classes that being mobile is just not enough to call it ‘one of the best’, IMO. Especially when you are talking 1vX. Even in 1v1, however, most classes outright laugh at warrior roaming builds.
Warrior is still regarded as being good at roaming because it is so easy to be decent in roaming with it. High base survivability and mobility allow for a noob-friendly playstyle. This playstyle is soon countered pretty harshly by anything skilled on another class, though.

So you can run away from most, congrats.

And hambow OP? This is new to me, I thought Shoutbow was the new meta. Don’t play enough PvP right now to give any sort of opinion on this though.

Well it depends on what you classify as “roaming”. If you want to go camp capping and dolly slapping (which is what I consider roaming), warrior mobility really shines and it can clear camps really fast. If you want to go dueling/1vXing for just the fun of killing enemy players, I agree the warrior probably isn’t a very solid choice.

Mirta.5029:

dietzero.3514:

Money from selling space is most likely a very, very minor part of their overall income.

information source?

He’s made up his mind, so he’s past the point needing to cite any sources to claims that back his point.

Flip out your credit card, buy gems and exchange to gold. 10 bucks will buy you about 80 gold with the current rate, which is enough to get you an exotic set with runes and sigils.

Meari.9078:

Thanks everyone, I really appreciate your input/feedback. It was something I always wondered, and thought it might be some achievement I had missed.
and thank you for the link nottsgman.8206. I searched hi and low for this info and couldn’t find anything. I swear the search on this wiki hates me LOL

I’ve also noticed you can see them at World Boss events too.

If you’re seeing magenta level numbers at World Boss events you’re participating with a way too low-level character and frankly, only hurting the event by scaling it up and contributing practically nothing.

I don’t remember ever looking at the score in EotM. Some people actually do that?