Guild Wars 2

Handin.4032:

Well, that is if you discout the PvE’ers who sit and grind fractals constantly and are able to get 50-60 rings that they don’t want. The statement SHOULD be “This makes it faster for WvWer’s to be guaranteed the ascended gear that they want faster than PvE’ers.” However, there are plenty of people out there who grind fractals nonstop and get quite a few ascended gear, meanwhile, WvW really has NO way to get ascended from RNG in the same way. …

Actually, that’s not entirely accurate. Your WvW leveling chests have a chance to drop an ascended ring.

Tekyn.5376:

VOLKON.1290:

Tekyn.5376:

VOLKON.1290:

Tekyn.5376:

VOLKON.1290:

Tekyn.5376:

DevonCarver.5370:

We included the laurel cost to prevent the economy from suddenly being blown out and to not invalidate the ways PvE players can get ascended items already. This system means that it is faster to get them in WvW, especially for players who already have badges, without being so much faster that everyone only gets them in this manner. As for the difficulty of acquiring laurels in WvW, we have taken steps to address that, including the fact that there will always be 3 daily achievements that are WvW specific. Speaking personally, I’ve been able to achieve my dailies in WvW even without that change, but this should make it even easier.

I have three level 80’s and 7 sets of gear. It will take me over 12 months to get the 490 laurels I need. Is that how you intended the system to work? Should I go play another MMO while I grind out my dailies?

Actually, yes. Ascended was made to fill a time-sink between that required to get exotics (non-existent) and legendary (forever, give or take an hour). For the minor stat increase involved it’s not like there’s any notable disadvantage as you would see in carrot-styled MMOs where gear matters significantly between tiers. It’s a modest increase for a modest time investment that ultimately isn’t necessary.

(1) Legendary weapons have nothing to do with this issue. I don’t have one and will never get one.

(2) A “time investment” of 12 months is not modest.

(1) Legendary weapons have everything to do with the issue where time sinks were concerned. There was a humongous time gap between exotics and legendaries that, quite frankly, needed to be filled. People were getting full exotics and not seeing a progression flavored goal that felt somewhat reachable.

(2). Per character. Took a few months to get my mesmer in ascended. It was fine… the marginal increase never held be back from being effective in WvW.

That’s great man, but we’re not talking about effectiveness in WvW and we’re not talking about the time sink involved in getting a legendary. I’m sure you have valid points to make on those subjects but that has nothing to do with the point I was making.

As I mentioned in my original post I have three level 80’s and 7, almost 8 sets of full exotic gear. If I want to upgrade all that gear to ascended I will need 490 laurels, 380 counting what I have now. That would mean earning all the dailies and the monthlies for the next 12 months. That makes no sense and I think most people would agree with me. The easier option, and the option I think most people will end up taking is just to suck it up and run fractals.

The only thing running Fractals will do for you is give you another option to get the rings, period. You won’t get any additional access to amulets or accessories that way.

As for effectiveness… if you’re in full exotics, you’re effective. Period. The nominal increases from ascended have little effect in WvW where a single dodge, block, avoid, move out of range, etc. completely negates any apparent numerical advantage people on paper. Full berserker to berserker upgrading, five pieces (not back piece) netted, when including crit chance and damage, a grand total of some 5 to 7% increase in total raw damage. So if I hit for 1000, that became a whopping 1050. That’s it. One dodge, one well timed heal, it’s meaningless. If you’re better you’ll still be better regardless of whether or not that guy you just got the loot bag from had ascended items.

Read my signature.

Trolled by data? I sat down over a couple days and calculated it all out. It’s really that marginal of an increase.

Beachead.4127:

Answer this.. What am I supposed to do with all the badges I have right now? I have 8 laurels, some ascended items, stacks of superior rams, arrow arts etc.. I am sitting on over 4000 badges rotting in my bank that I was hoping to finally spend. What do I use them for Devon?

Traps. Supply traps are proving to be quite useful used properly.

Tekyn.5376:

VOLKON.1290:

Tekyn.5376:

VOLKON.1290:

Tekyn.5376:

DevonCarver.5370:

We included the laurel cost to prevent the economy from suddenly being blown out and to not invalidate the ways PvE players can get ascended items already. This system means that it is faster to get them in WvW, especially for players who already have badges, without being so much faster that everyone only gets them in this manner. As for the difficulty of acquiring laurels in WvW, we have taken steps to address that, including the fact that there will always be 3 daily achievements that are WvW specific. Speaking personally, I’ve been able to achieve my dailies in WvW even without that change, but this should make it even easier.

I have three level 80’s and 7 sets of gear. It will take me over 12 months to get the 490 laurels I need. Is that how you intended the system to work? Should I go play another MMO while I grind out my dailies?

Actually, yes. Ascended was made to fill a time-sink between that required to get exotics (non-existent) and legendary (forever, give or take an hour). For the minor stat increase involved it’s not like there’s any notable disadvantage as you would see in carrot-styled MMOs where gear matters significantly between tiers. It’s a modest increase for a modest time investment that ultimately isn’t necessary.

(1) Legendary weapons have nothing to do with this issue. I don’t have one and will never get one.

(2) A “time investment” of 12 months is not modest.

(1) Legendary weapons have everything to do with the issue where time sinks were concerned. There was a humongous time gap between exotics and legendaries that, quite frankly, needed to be filled. People were getting full exotics and not seeing a progression flavored goal that felt somewhat reachable.

(2). Per character. Took a few months to get my mesmer in ascended. It was fine… the marginal increase never held be back from being effective in WvW.

That’s great man, but we’re not talking about effectiveness in WvW and we’re not talking about the time sink involved in getting a legendary. I’m sure you have valid points to make on those subjects but that has nothing to do with the point I was making.

As I mentioned in my original post I have three level 80’s and 7, almost 8 sets of full exotic gear. If I want to upgrade all that gear to ascended I will need 490 laurels, 380 counting what I have now. That would mean earning all the dailies and the monthlies for the next 12 months. That makes no sense and I think most people would agree with me. The easier option, and the option I think most people will end up taking is just to suck it up and run fractals.

The only thing running Fractals will do for you is give you another option to get the rings, period. You won’t get any additional access to amulets or accessories that way.

As for effectiveness… if you’re in full exotics, you’re effective. Period. The nominal increases from ascended have little effect in WvW where a single dodge, block, avoid, move out of range, etc. completely negates any apparent numerical advantage people on paper. Full berserker to berserker upgrading, five pieces (not back piece) netted, when including crit chance and damage, a grand total of some 5 to 7% increase in total raw damage. So if I hit for 1000, that became a whopping 1050. That’s it. One dodge, one well timed heal, it’s meaningless. If you’re better you’ll still be better regardless of whether or not that guy you just got the loot bag from had ascended items.

Daethonfoot.3516:

but ya its still gonna take 566875763 trillion years to gear my 5 wvw toons. Thanks a-net. I wont be forced to play fractals so I guess ill be a lowly wvw peon for ever.

So, you’re characters are in full exotics and you keep dying in WvW and you think it’s because everyone else has ascended gear?

Tekyn.5376:

VOLKON.1290:

Tekyn.5376:

DevonCarver.5370:

We included the laurel cost to prevent the economy from suddenly being blown out and to not invalidate the ways PvE players can get ascended items already. This system means that it is faster to get them in WvW, especially for players who already have badges, without being so much faster that everyone only gets them in this manner. As for the difficulty of acquiring laurels in WvW, we have taken steps to address that, including the fact that there will always be 3 daily achievements that are WvW specific. Speaking personally, I’ve been able to achieve my dailies in WvW even without that change, but this should make it even easier.

I have three level 80’s and 7 sets of gear. It will take me over 12 months to get the 490 laurels I need. Is that how you intended the system to work? Should I go play another MMO while I grind out my dailies?

Actually, yes. Ascended was made to fill a time-sink between that required to get exotics (non-existent) and legendary (forever, give or take an hour). For the minor stat increase involved it’s not like there’s any notable disadvantage as you would see in carrot-styled MMOs where gear matters significantly between tiers. It’s a modest increase for a modest time investment that ultimately isn’t necessary.

(1) Legendary weapons have nothing to do with this issue. I don’t have one and will never get one.

(2) A “time investment” of 12 months is not modest.

(1) Legendary weapons have everything to do with the issue where time sinks were concerned. There was a humongous time gap between exotics and legendaries that, quite frankly, needed to be filled. People were getting full exotics and not seeing a progression flavored goal that felt somewhat reachable.

(2). Per character. Took a few months to get my mesmer in ascended. It was fine… the marginal increase never held be back from being effective in WvW.

Tricare.2946:

VOLKON.1290:

You’re arguing an up-hill battle here. People join this game because BiS will be no problem. Now if you want to look cool, that’s where you have to work for it. Now you are arguing that these ascended gear “isn’t necessary”, that’s not the point. Right now it is BiS and with the amount of time people are putting in, they should be able to get it.

Also, most competitive players want full ascended gear. I want my gear to be the best, so that I know when I lose it’s all because of my skill, not that he was in full ascended and I only have my back piece.

You may have a point about the up hill battle. Unfortunately people still think of BiS in terms of carrot flavored MMOs where BiS really meant something. Here I can go from an exotic ring to an ascended one and increase my power by four. Hell, I can rip out a good one and do more damage than that four power will. OK, technically it’s BiS but in the sense that if you give someone 1000 grapes and someone 1001 grapes you gave someone “more”.

Daethonfoot.3516:

Lol there is fractal nubs running around in wvw with all pink beside good wvw players with exotics that never leave wvw. Something is wrong here.

I don’t care what color dye they’re using. But a “fractal nub” (as you call them) running around WvW with a pair of ascended rings and agony resistance… wait, was there a point to this post? You’re not saying we should exclude people from WvW are you?

Tekyn.5376:

DevonCarver.5370:

We included the laurel cost to prevent the economy from suddenly being blown out and to not invalidate the ways PvE players can get ascended items already. This system means that it is faster to get them in WvW, especially for players who already have badges, without being so much faster that everyone only gets them in this manner. As for the difficulty of acquiring laurels in WvW, we have taken steps to address that, including the fact that there will always be 3 daily achievements that are WvW specific. Speaking personally, I’ve been able to achieve my dailies in WvW even without that change, but this should make it even easier.

I have three level 80’s and 7 sets of gear. It will take me over 12 months to get the 490 laurels I need. Is that how you intended the system to work? Should I go play another MMO while I grind out my dailies?

Actually, yes. Ascended was made to fill a time-sink between that required to get exotics (non-existent) and legendary (forever, give or take an hour). For the minor stat increase involved it’s not like there’s any notable disadvantage as you would see in carrot-styled MMOs where gear matters significantly between tiers. It’s a modest increase for a modest time investment that ultimately isn’t necessary.

DevonCarver.5370:

We included the laurel cost to prevent the economy from suddenly being blown out and to not invalidate the ways PvE players can get ascended items already. This system means that it is faster to get them in WvW, especially for players who already have badges, without being so much faster that everyone only gets them in this manner. As for the difficulty of acquiring laurels in WvW, we have taken steps to address that, including the fact that there will always be 3 daily achievements that are WvW specific. Speaking personally, I’ve been able to achieve my dailies in WvW even without that change, but this should make it even easier.

Thanks Devon. People will figure it out over time.

TainoFuerte.8136:

VOLKON.1290:

I got ascended gear as it became available to me. I kept up by being good at my mesmer.

Ok?

Are you agreeing or trying to refute my statement by insinuating that you can “keep up” simply by being good without BiS gear? I imagine then, that you often run around in WvW in whites, since to keep up one need only skill?

Keep up? Kept up. Have ascended now. Never was a issue. The 5% to 7% increase in overall damage (ideal) tends to be negated with a single well timed dodge or interruption during a single fight. Hell, any damage spent hitting clones and phantasms instead of me is added bonus.

The difference between whites and exotics is far more notable than the minor increase from exotics to ascended.

TainoFuerte.8136:

Kronyx.2570:

No they didn’t, because the difference was very little, or trust me the hardcore PvPers would have farmed that fractals till they got the BiS

Uh, yes they did. I got my ascended gear so I could keep up. In an even battle, even the smallest stat differences can have an impact. That’s why people buy food and run with 25 stacks of bloodlust/whatever.

But then again, I suppose it doesn’t matter for WvW if you are killing guards and gathering mithril for Dailies.

I got ascended gear as it became available to me. I kept up by being good at my mesmer.

Tekyn.5376:

Hopefully someone already said it because i’m going to say it again….

ArenaNet is forcing everyone to run Fractals
ArenaNet is forcing everyone to run Fractals
ArenaNet is forcing everyone to run Fractals

You’re welcome to say it, but that won’t make it true. It does make you look silly however, so if you’re going for that, well done indeed!

Eyelusion.8205:

VOLKON.1290:

Eyelusion.8205:

VOLKON.1290:

Eyelusion.8205:

Mek.2947:

rice.5376:

Mek.2947:

How are laurels only accessible to PVE players? Are there not PvP dailies too? I’m not following.

PVP != WvW.

While they did add a WvW Daily, that’s one per day, and for those who don’t touch PVE or PVP, they don’t get the monthly.

I’ll let you do the math on that one.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Daily

8 of those you can do without leaving WvW….you need 5 to complete a daily…I’ll let you do the math on that one.

Mek,

This is an unfair assessment. I’m a wvw player myself and every wvw player knows, or should know, that some days you can get the daily with only wvw as your snapshot dictates. But, on other days, the achievements change and are not as easy as your snapshot dictates. Some days you have to go into PVE or at least do a JP, fractal, kill 40 enemies, do 5 events or whatever in PVE.

Given it’s some days you could get a laurel in WvW and some days it required PVE, I think it’s only fair that Anet to allow a discount to those who wvw only to get their fair share. Maybe it’s a laurel discount for wvw’ers over the next 4 weeks. Something is better than nothing.

What isn’t fair is for PVE players who got so many more laurels to be able to get their wvw ascended set first because they have more laurels than a wvw player.

Picking a previously PVE, Fractal mostly currency to use now toward wvw just isn’t a good decision, but that’s a different subject.

Have to disagree with you there for the most part. I’ve found that anything that needs to be done outside WvW ultimately supports WvW anyhow, such as making food or superior siege or gathering the materials for superior siege. Plus they’ve added additional WvW only items for the daily and there are now three slots designated to WvW for the daily. It wasn’t hard before and it’s easier now.

Oh, laurels have nothing to do with Fractals btw.

Laurels are a PVE, Fractal based currency rather than a wvw currency before this patch is what I was saying. I still believe that is true.

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Laurels are from Dailies, not Fractals. You could never and still can’t get laurels from Fractals. I think you may have your currencies confused.

I see where you are coming from. For clarification, I’m speaking of getting laurels to buy ascended to do fractals, not doing fractals to get laurels. As ascended is required for fractals to get thru the agony resist or you can’t do any higher level fractals.

The agony resist rings you get from doing Fractals. These let you get further in Fractals where they’re needed. The first 10 levels you don’t even have to worry about agony at all, and it’s not until 20 or 30 where you start to need it.

The rings you buy with laurels don’t have agony resist on them. Someone choosing that route for them… there are better ways.

dangerdoom.3862:

Atherakhia.4086:

LilMcGinley.3890:

VOLKON.1290:

LilMcGinley.3890:

VOLKON.1290:

LilMcGinley.3890:

I believe the issue with laurels is that WvW’ers feel like we should FINALLY be rewarded with Ascended items after being ignored for so long, and now that we have been, we have to wait ANOTHER 2-3 months to outfit ONE character for WvW.

On the other hand, PvE’ers have been running fractals, stashing laurels and globs away for such items for many months.

I finished on my mesmer a couple months ago. What’s the hold up? I’m predominantly WvW, btw.

The hold up is that I don’t want to run fractals or spend laurels to gear my characters. I have a token from killing people that should reward me better than it currently does.

Ah, so you admit that the hold up is a conscious choice you’re making which is interfering with you gearing your character with ascended gear that, at best, only gives a slight boost to stats and no notable advantage? Good, we’re getting somewhere.

Here’s the weird part… if you’re WvWing so much, where are your laurels? I’ve had more dailies complete by accident in WvW than I can count, and it usually take a few minutes when I’m done in WvW for the night to finish off the daily through some easy means, such as crafting food for WvW, gathering mats for superior siege, making superior siege, etc.

If you’re not mostly geared by now on one character that you’ve played regularly for any period of time the fault is not with ANet.

You are missing the point. Laurels are for PvE’ers to use. Badges are for WvW’ers to use. Might as well remove badges as after a stack they are pointless.

No…

Badges are for PvE’rs to use. Every dungeon in the game comes with its own currency.

Laurels are something that anyone can get. Even if you want to pull the WvW card, you’d still have 75% of the Laurels of someone who did every daily/monthly ever as most could be done entirely within a borderland. I know because the only time I left a borderland to do my daily was for the ambient creature slaying because I could kill 100 frogs in 30 seconds in the swamp as opposed to hunting racoons for 20mins. Aside from that, I did all my daily achievements in borderlands and if you didn’t, that was an error on your part. No one elses.

First of all this is bs because it’s only since idk what patch we could do everything in WvW. Crafting/killing mobs/gathering is not WvW. If you count like this we lost 90% of our badges.

Crafting certainly connects to WvW and you can craft in WvW. I make my own foods for example. Gathering feeds into creating superior siege in the Mystic Forge. Mobs… those poor mobs tend to fall victim when zergs collide. When I see the “kill 13 different types of mobs” one, I chalk that up and a given. Same with the “40 kills”… players count for that. (Wait… is it 40 or a different number? I forget. Maybe confusing with 10 players…) Regardless, it was easy and now it’s easier to get your daily without having to leave WvW.

LethalxKiller.3571:

VOLKON.1290:

Wayland.3528:

Putting greens in these is minorly insulting. Either the rare > or nothing imo.

You can level multiple times per day, even faster now with doubled WvW exp. given. Rares as a minimum would have been too much honestly.

You still don’t get them fast enough for it to affect the economy that much so rare’s def isn’t too much to ask for.

If you consider the number of chest per person and the number of people (especially those getting 2 chests at a time now), that’s a crapload of ectos being squirted into the system in short order. I can see why they’re doing it this way.

Eyelusion.8205:

VOLKON.1290:

Eyelusion.8205:

Mek.2947:

rice.5376:

Mek.2947:

How are laurels only accessible to PVE players? Are there not PvP dailies too? I’m not following.

PVP != WvW.

While they did add a WvW Daily, that’s one per day, and for those who don’t touch PVE or PVP, they don’t get the monthly.

I’ll let you do the math on that one.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Daily

8 of those you can do without leaving WvW….you need 5 to complete a daily…I’ll let you do the math on that one.

Mek,

This is an unfair assessment. I’m a wvw player myself and every wvw player knows, or should know, that some days you can get the daily with only wvw as your snapshot dictates. But, on other days, the achievements change and are not as easy as your snapshot dictates. Some days you have to go into PVE or at least do a JP, fractal, kill 40 enemies, do 5 events or whatever in PVE.

Given it’s some days you could get a laurel in WvW and some days it required PVE, I think it’s only fair that Anet to allow a discount to those who wvw only to get their fair share. Maybe it’s a laurel discount for wvw’ers over the next 4 weeks. Something is better than nothing.

What isn’t fair is for PVE players who got so many more laurels to be able to get their wvw ascended set first because they have more laurels than a wvw player.

Picking a previously PVE, Fractal mostly currency to use now toward wvw just isn’t a good decision, but that’s a different subject.

Have to disagree with you there for the most part. I’ve found that anything that needs to be done outside WvW ultimately supports WvW anyhow, such as making food or superior siege or gathering the materials for superior siege. Plus they’ve added additional WvW only items for the daily and there are now three slots designated to WvW for the daily. It wasn’t hard before and it’s easier now.

Oh, laurels have nothing to do with Fractals btw.

Laurels are a PVE, Fractal based currency rather than a wvw currency before this patch is what I was saying. I still believe that is true.

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Laurels are from Dailies, not Fractals. You could never and still can’t get laurels from Fractals. I think you may have your currencies confused.

Wayland.3528:

The greens in the level chests are insulting. It should be rare and above or nothing.

You can level up multiple times per day, and with double WvW experience now that will happen even faster. Rares as a minimum would have been too much.

Wayland.3528:

Putting greens in these is minorly insulting. Either the rare > or nothing imo.

You can level multiple times per day, even faster now with doubled WvW exp. given. Rares as a minimum would have been too much honestly.

Daethonfoot.3516:

People keep saying that laurels come in wvw as if it is an argument. They are thick. Laurels are for the laurel vendor in lions. They are farmed VERY SLOWLY. Stop designing a game that forces players to do fractals. Its about wvw fractal equality. Right now wvw players are second rate citizens and we’ve had enough. If I don’t want to do fractals and only want to wvw that is ok. Just be happy wvw gets more people to play your game and don’t try and force them to play fractals to not be a second class citizen of guild wars.

Of course it’s an argument. I get as many laurels as someone that never steps foot in WvW. Aside from a back piece (that I wear), I have all ascended items for my mesmer.

NOTHING requires you to do Fractals. Forget Fractals. They have nothing to do with anything. They’ve served as the primary method to obtain ascended rings, but not the only method. If you choose not to do them, there’s a less cost-effective means by using laurels. Now there’s also WvW leveling chests and a chance at them there. You cannot get accessories or amulets in Fractals. Amulets have, as their primary means of purchase, dailies and laurels. You can, IIRC, also get them with guild tokens from guild missions, but they’re not cost-effective to do so. However, for accessories, guild missions and the like are the most cost-effective means of getting them. If you choose not to get them that way, you can spend laurels and ectos as a less cost-effective means.

Now the fun part. Ascended is meant to be acquired slowly, not overnight. The pace of acquiring laurels helps control this. Exotics – instant access. Ascended – requires a time investment. Legendary – quit your day job, you have a new one.

Eyelusion.8205:

Mek.2947:

rice.5376:

Mek.2947:

How are laurels only accessible to PVE players? Are there not PvP dailies too? I’m not following.

PVP != WvW.

While they did add a WvW Daily, that’s one per day, and for those who don’t touch PVE or PVP, they don’t get the monthly.

I’ll let you do the math on that one.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Daily

8 of those you can do without leaving WvW….you need 5 to complete a daily…I’ll let you do the math on that one.

Mek,

This is an unfair assessment. I’m a wvw player myself and every wvw player knows, or should know, that some days you can get the daily with only wvw as your snapshot dictates. But, on other days, the achievements change and are not as easy as your snapshot dictates. Some days you have to go into PVE or at least do a JP, fractal, kill 40 enemies, do 5 events or whatever in PVE.

Given it’s some days you could get a laurel in WvW and some days it required PVE, I think it’s only fair that Anet to allow a discount to those who wvw only to get their fair share. Maybe it’s a laurel discount for wvw’ers over the next 4 weeks. Something is better than nothing.

What isn’t fair is for PVE players who got so many more laurels to be able to get their wvw ascended set first because they have more laurels than a wvw player.

Picking a previously PVE, Fractal mostly currency to use now toward wvw just isn’t a good decision, but that’s a different subject.

Have to disagree with you there for the most part. I’ve found that anything that needs to be done outside WvW ultimately supports WvW anyhow, such as making food or superior siege or gathering the materials for superior siege. Plus they’ve added additional WvW only items for the daily and there are now three slots designated to WvW for the daily. It wasn’t hard before and it’s easier now.

Oh, laurels have nothing to do with Fractals btw.

LilMcGinley.3890:

VOLKON.1290:

LilMcGinley.3890:

I believe the issue with laurels is that WvW’ers feel like we should FINALLY be rewarded with Ascended items after being ignored for so long, and now that we have been, we have to wait ANOTHER 2-3 months to outfit ONE character for WvW.

On the other hand, PvE’ers have been running fractals, stashing laurels and globs away for such items for many months.

I finished on my mesmer a couple months ago. What’s the hold up? I’m predominantly WvW, btw.

The hold up is that I don’t want to run fractals or spend laurels to gear my characters. I have a token from killing people that should reward me better than it currently does.

Ah, so you admit that the hold up is a conscious choice you’re making which is interfering with you gearing your character with ascended gear that, at best, only gives a slight boost to stats and no notable advantage? Good, we’re getting somewhere.

Here’s the weird part… if you’re WvWing so much, where are your laurels? I’ve had more dailies complete by accident in WvW than I can count, and it usually take a few minutes when I’m done in WvW for the night to finish off the daily through some easy means, such as crafting food for WvW, gathering mats for superior siege, making superior siege, etc.

If you’re not mostly geared by now on one character that you’ve played regularly for any period of time the fault is not with ANet.

dangerdoom.3862:

VOLKON.1290:

LilMcGinley.3890:

I believe the issue with laurels is that WvW’ers feel like we should FINALLY be rewarded with Ascended items after being ignored for so long, and now that we have been, we have to wait ANOTHER 2-3 months to outfit ONE character for WvW.

On the other hand, PvE’ers have been running fractals, stashing laurels and globs away for such items for many months.

I finished on my mesmer a couple months ago. What’s the hold up? I’m predominantly WvW, btw.

You’re lying! Why? -> Backpiece!

OK… guilty. The ascended back piece I have… I’m not fond of the stats and don’t wear it. Yes, I’ve been busted.

LilMcGinley.3890:

I believe the issue with laurels is that WvW’ers feel like we should FINALLY be rewarded with Ascended items after being ignored for so long, and now that we have been, we have to wait ANOTHER 2-3 months to outfit ONE character for WvW.

On the other hand, PvE’ers have been running fractals, stashing laurels and globs away for such items for many months.

I finished on my mesmer a couple months ago. What’s the hold up? I’m predominantly WvW, btw.

Daethonfoot.3516:

Omg why are laurels in the wvw merch? The laurel merch is in lions arch, this is so stupid it hurts. WVW was supposed to help wvw players catch up on their ascended rings with out having to do fractals like a pve scrub. This is not speeding it up as laurels still block progress for any wvw player forcing them to do fractals. Why are you forcing us to do fractals? Sounds like you have tons of respect for fractal farmers and treat wvw players like dirt. Get those stupid kittenin laurels outta there and replace with 10 gold or something.

Ascended gear was never meant to be obtained quickly. Now they’ve made it faster for WvW players to get it, and odds are you won’t even have to leave WvW to do so.

Ascended gear was meant to take time to get. Do the time, pay attention, get the gear. This system is fine. IF you choose to spend laurels for ascended gear you have that option through WvW now. You could, you know, spend an hour or two with your guild and get accessories that way, but you don’t have to. You could do Fractals for rings, but you don’t have to.

Sirendor.1394:

Iruwen.3164:

VOLKON.1290:

Junkpile.7439:

Maybe anet should take PvE players rings away and give them back after they pay 25 laurels/ring.

Why? The primary way to get rings has always been Fractals. Laurels allowed a secondary means of purchase if you chose to not do Fractals.

Asc should have never been allowed in WvW in the first place.

I agree, make it a 100% skill-based fight, not a fight about who has the better trinkets. Ascended were the worst idea ever implemented by Anet.

When you consider how tiny the stat increase is, especially in an active combat where you can actually make people miss you’ll realize it’s still more skill-based than anything. Well… except the zerg. Skill goes out the window in the zerg.

Vena.8436:

VOLKON.1290:

Are rings guaranteed then? That’s how this sounds, just asking for clarity.

No, like fractal chests: % chance its included in the loot on its own. My reference is two chests, lol.

Gotcha, thanks for that.

Vena.8436:

HeliaXDemoN.1208:

How I see:

*Added a new reward chest. Every time players gain a WvW Rank, they receive a chest with WvW rewards:

• Coins. 1?
• Badges. 2?
• A chance for:
  • Traps. 20%
  • Siege blueprints. 20%
  • Superior siege blueprints. 10%
  • Masterwork armor/weapons. 45%
  • Rare armor/weapons. 4.5%
  • Exotic armor/weapons. 0.49%
  • Ascended rings. 0.000000000000000000000001%
  • Precursors. 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000001%

No, each chest is:
1 of a type of siege (or superior), 1 of a item rarity (green/rare/exotic (includes precursors)), 1 of a possible ring, and 5 badges.

Are rings guaranteed then? That’s how this sounds, just asking for clarity.

Azaruil.3406:

VOLKON.1290:

Excuse me, but I AM the WvW player there for the PvP. I have both accessories, two rings and an amulet already that are ascended. It isn’t hard if you allow yourself a little diversity as intended. If you’re single-focused on one and only one aspect of something, if you’re intentionally pigeon-holing your self in the game then ascended items likely won’t be for you. If you only want to kill people and can’t be bothered to take down a yak or throw together some superior ACs, then it’s time for you to address the real issue which lies in the mirror over there.

I think you tried to say something witty there, but it looks more to me as if though you are spewing nonsense.

You get one laurel a day for pvp’ing. You get one laurel a day for pve’ing. You also get the other ascended gear from doing fractals and guild stuff. So in essence, the pve’er will get ascended gear more easily than a pvp’er.

You actually want to bring up the word diversity in this instance? So tell me then, do you have all-ascended gear on 2-3 characters? Average cost of 35 laurels and 5 pieces. That is 175 per character. 525 laurels for 3 characters. Max 40 laurels per month. So you mean it would just take 13 months to get ascended gear on those 3 characters? That doesn’t even include different build sets on those characters?

Oh, but now THANKFULLY we have these awesome new additions to wvw. It will only take 11 months now to gear my characters with ascended jewelry. That still, with only one build option.

Well I guess it is fair, because it takes PVE players that long too right? Except that even if they just run 1 fractal at level 10 every night. Gain 6 guild commendations every week. Then they would have 3 characters fully geared in less than 3 months

Less than 3 months and 11 months is a big difference.

ps: don’t get me started on random chance of a ring. I don’t want healing power and magic find on a condi necro.

This may come as a surprise… but ascended gear is, by design, suppose to take time to get. It’s not instant gratification like exotics. If you want ascended, you need to put in the time and effort to get them. You can speed that up by using all the avenues available or you can drag it out my making the conscious choice to not use all the means at your disposal. I have ascended on my mesmer only because that’s really the only one I play in WvW. I’ve a few spare rings lying around and extra laurels starting to build up, but I prefer to keep the focus on one character these days with the WvW leveling being character bound. Should I choose to push another character along then I expect a comparable amount of time (some already accrued) to get full ascended for that one.

Choosing to get full ascended pieces on three characters… that’s a long term goal, not an overnight success story.

Junkpile.7439:

Maybe anet should take PvE players rings away and give them back after they pay 25 laurels/ring.

Why? The primary way to get rings has always been Fractals. Laurels allowed a secondary means of purchase if you chose to not do Fractals.

NeHoMaR.9812:

50 globs of ectoplasm? for a WvW player? is that a typo?

No, same cost as the outside if you choose to purchase them that way instead of by using the guild event tokens you get. It’s possible, just not meant to be the most cost-effective way. All the ascended chunks have a “most cost effective” way and an “other” way. Rings are free in Fractal chests and WvW level chests. They cost laurels if you don’t want to wait or run Fractals for the fractal things you buy them with. Amulets are easiest to get via dailies. Accessories are most cost effective from guild missions, more expensive if you choose to purchase directly.

Blackelk.3784:

The laurel cost doesn’t come as much of a surprise on rings and neck (not saying its right). It is said really that most WvWers are waiting for something anything from Anet to make the WvW seem worth it and they just keep disappointing us… I just hope Black Desert, Elder Scrolls, or Camelot offer a better system than this laughable disappointment.

The biggest joke is the acc though why even put them in WvW when they cost laurels and ectos lol.

Blunt, they’re adding rares and exotics to the WvW chests. These are ectos waiting to happen. Laurels from dailies you can get in WvW. It all fits in the big picture.

Azaruil.3406:

VOLKON.1290:

Azaruil.3406:

I Deschain I.4623:

•Added a laurel merchant selling Ascended items: •Ascended rings can be purchased for 25 laurels and 250 badges of honor.
•Ascended amulets can be purchased for 20 laurels and 250 badges of honor.
•Ascended accessories can be purchased for 40 laurels and 50 globs of ectoplasm.
•WvW-specific infusions have been added and can be purchased for 5 laurels and 125 badges of honor. •Offensive infusions provide players with +1% damage to guards and lords.
•Defensive infusions provide players with -1% damage to guards and lords.

I can’t tell if the Arena-net employees responsible for this are intentionally trolling us or completely oblivious to what WvW players want.

25 laurels for a ring? Because it takes 25 days for someone doing fractals to get a ring right?

edit: Oh wow, we have a small chance to randomly get a ring that wouldn’t work on our characters build, giving us useless stats? How awesome. rolls eyes

This is completely in line with the whole ascended philosophy so far as I see it. The easiest place to get rings has always been Fractals. The easiest way to get amulets has always been dailies. Accessories have always been most cost-effective by doing guild events. This doesn’t change, and they actually did a good job sticking to that philosophy while allowing options outside the intended. Plus, they added rings to the WvW level chests, adding an additional avenue.

Step back, look at it as a whole. It fits nicely, it keeps ascended items relatively gated (intended to take a certain period of time to obtain) and they’ve actually made it a little easier to accomplish. Plus, pre-cursors in the WvW chests! Can’t hate that.

Here is an idea, step back and look at it as a WvW player who is there for the pvp.

It fits nicely with what a PVE player wants. Not what WvW players want. A big draw to GW2 was when they mentioned that one wouldn’t have to PVE to keep on equal footing, gear-wise. That is a big reason why players came to this game. Even with this update, it is FAR easier to obtain items doing fractals, guild stuff etc..

So yes, they are following their philosophy of pve grinding for gear. It is also something they said they wouldn’t do.

Excuse me, but I AM the WvW player there for the PvP. I have both accessories, two rings and an amulet already that are ascended. It isn’t hard if you allow yourself a little diversity as intended. If you’re single-focused on one and only one aspect of something, if you’re intentionally pigeon-holing your self in the game then ascended items likely won’t be for you. If you only want to kill people and can’t be bothered to take down a yak or throw together some superior ACs, then it’s time for you to address the real issue which lies in the mirror over there.

mrmadhaze.8706:

VOLKON.1290:

mrmadhaze.8706:

VOLKON.1290:

mrmadhaze.8706:

Sirendor.1394:

mrmadhaze.8706:

Thanks devs for the more pve in wvw!!! we need it!!!!! i play wvw only for gathering and for kill npcs for the daily!!! ty a lot!

Is this sarcasm? o_O

laurels and ectos for ascended items, and infusions against npcs. So no, it’s not sarcasm.

We’ll chalk it up to a lack of full comprehension then. Laurels come easy enough that I have ascended everything except the back piece right now. They’ll be even easier with the changes to dailies. The monthly is about to reset, if you haven’t finished it there’s 10 more waiting for you and 10 more about to become available.

Indeed man, but cmon.. im in wvw for the pvp not becouse i like waiting and farming dailies or ectos while i have tons of badges. It’s a kitten joke!
There is the pve for this things

There are three (now) daily items that are WvW specific. In addition, things like daily kills, kill variety, gathering, etc. all suppliment WvW and should be a part of your play regardless. Gathering, for example, is quite useful for superior siege. Mystic Forge uses for the same… save your stuff and when that one pops up it’s a freebie. Salvaging is another freebie. Laurels are ridiculously easy to get in WvW, it’s just a matter of paying attention. Maybe you need to kill five yaks. Well, go kill five yaks. Fix a wall, Make bad guys go dead. Mine some mithril and chop some wood. Make superior ACs. Piece of cake.

Oh god..
A wvw item obtained with dailies means that you need to farm every day. Yes farm. Becouse even if you need 1 minute per daily oblige to do that thing mean force to farm every single day for a kitten gear. And again im not in wvw maps for kill npcs.
Ty for the lesson but i dont need it

Apparently you do. Ascended gear isn’t meant for the single focus player that wants to do one thing and one thing only. They’re meant for more diversified players, and I for one appreciate the fact that they’re making it easier to get them without having to leave WvW if we don’t wish to. I still will on occasion, to stock up on mithril and wood, get some karma chests from Orr (another daily done!), and whatever else supplements my WvW a bit. But that’s me.

Azaruil.3406:

I Deschain I.4623:

•Added a laurel merchant selling Ascended items: •Ascended rings can be purchased for 25 laurels and 250 badges of honor.
•Ascended amulets can be purchased for 20 laurels and 250 badges of honor.
•Ascended accessories can be purchased for 40 laurels and 50 globs of ectoplasm.
•WvW-specific infusions have been added and can be purchased for 5 laurels and 125 badges of honor. •Offensive infusions provide players with +1% damage to guards and lords.
•Defensive infusions provide players with -1% damage to guards and lords.

I can’t tell if the Arena-net employees responsible for this are intentionally trolling us or completely oblivious to what WvW players want.

25 laurels for a ring? Because it takes 25 days for someone doing fractals to get a ring right?

edit: Oh wow, we have a small chance to randomly get a ring that wouldn’t work on our characters build, giving us useless stats? How awesome. rolls eyes

This is completely in line with the whole ascended philosophy so far as I see it. The easiest place to get rings has always been Fractals. The easiest way to get amulets has always been dailies. Accessories have always been most cost-effective by doing guild events. This doesn’t change, and they actually did a good job sticking to that philosophy while allowing options outside the intended. Plus, they added rings to the WvW level chests, adding an additional avenue.

Step back, look at it as a whole. It fits nicely, it keeps ascended items relatively gated (intended to take a certain period of time to obtain) and they’ve actually made it a little easier to accomplish. Plus, pre-cursors in the WvW chests! Can’t hate that.

Happy Tuesday all! Hope you enjoyed the long holiday weekend if you were able to. I’m back, so that should be good for, oh, +100 ppt for us once I log on…

Well, it made for a nice dream at least.

Estus.1726:

Volkon, if that is the case then wonderful. We shall see I suppose.

Trust the grumpy ol’ Asura. I may talk a lot, but it’s only to dazzle you with brilliance, not baffle you with yak-crap.

mrmadhaze.8706:

VOLKON.1290:

mrmadhaze.8706:

Sirendor.1394:

mrmadhaze.8706:

Thanks devs for the more pve in wvw!!! we need it!!!!! i play wvw only for gathering and for kill npcs for the daily!!! ty a lot!

Is this sarcasm? o_O

laurels and ectos for ascended items, and infusions against npcs. So no, it’s not sarcasm.

We’ll chalk it up to a lack of full comprehension then. Laurels come easy enough that I have ascended everything except the back piece right now. They’ll be even easier with the changes to dailies. The monthly is about to reset, if you haven’t finished it there’s 10 more waiting for you and 10 more about to become available.

Indeed man, but cmon.. im in wvw for the pvp not becouse i like waiting and farming dailies or ectos while i have tons of badges. It’s a kitten joke!
There is the pve for this things

There are three (now) daily items that are WvW specific. In addition, things like daily kills, kill variety, gathering, etc. all suppliment WvW and should be a part of your play regardless. Gathering, for example, is quite useful for superior siege. Mystic Forge uses for the same… save your stuff and when that one pops up it’s a freebie. Salvaging is another freebie. Laurels are ridiculously easy to get in WvW, it’s just a matter of paying attention. Maybe you need to kill five yaks. Well, go kill five yaks. Fix a wall, Make bad guys go dead. Mine some mithril and chop some wood. Make superior ACs. Piece of cake.

Estus.1726:

So…. I have to play hours of WvWvW to get a handful of Badges and then hours of PvE to get Laurels? … Check. I think I’ll choose the option to do without thanks. Ask Mythic how things worked out for them when they forced PvE on the people who only enjoyed RvRvR. (Hint ToA).

No. Your WvW will, if you’re paying attention at least, get you laurels as well.

mrmadhaze.8706:

Sirendor.1394:

mrmadhaze.8706:

Thanks devs for the more pve in wvw!!! we need it!!!!! i play wvw only for gathering and for kill npcs for the daily!!! ty a lot!

Is this sarcasm? o_O

laurels and ectos for ascended items, and infusions against npcs. So no, it’s not sarcasm.

We’ll chalk it up to a lack of full comprehension then. Laurels come easy enough that I have ascended everything except the back piece right now. They’ll be even easier with the changes to dailies. The monthly is about to reset, if you haven’t finished it there’s 10 more waiting for you and 10 more about to become available.

Iruwen.3164:

I Deschain I.4623:

I actually stopped reading when I saw those 25 laurels and 250 badges for an Ascended Ring.

First I stopped reading, then I couldn’t stop laughing. Just… wow. That’s completely kittened.

Why? Nothing wrong at all with that, especially when you consider there are now three WvW specific items available on the daily and getting the other two will continue to be ridiculously easy.

uberkingkong.8041:

I just received word that EMP left JQ to DB is that so when SoR knocks BG out of T1 JQ will have ties with DB via EMP so they can take out the behemoth SoR. They decided to goto DB once they heard words of talk between SoR and the IRON BEHEMOTH from EU and that this is the only way to stop the BEHEMOTH SoR brought to the NA. I’m very excited and cannot wait for DB to take BG spot because we need to take the behemoth out and teach him his place and that NA is no place for a EU BEHEMOTH. Its great timing as well because the living story should be over and done with so our numbers will be fierce and mighty SoR will be nothing but an insect compared to us with this great timing.

I’ll tell you what we’re going to do on JQ. We’re going to see red. We’ll make it go dead.

There you go.

Thaia.5146:

VOLKON.1290:

OK, this needs to be clarified. Anti stealth traps are NOT meant to be used to fight a thief that you’ve already engaged in combat. If you’re trying to use it that way then you deserve to be face down in the dirt. They’re meant to be tactically placed in order to minimize access to a certain area of stealth players. For example, if you know when the enemy breaks down your tower gate that they’re going to try to sneak a stealthed mesmer in there with a portal…

Please, stop with the complaints that the traps are useless. A blueberry pie is useless if you’re trying to drive in a nail with it. But it still makes one tasty snack when used properly.

Waste of supplies and badges.

Waste of a blueberry pie.

Thaia.5146:

1. Anti Stealth Traps are USELESS. Period.
10 supplies and nearly 4 seconds cast? Really? Seriously guys? Thief will kill me before I open my Inventory…

OK, this needs to be clarified. Anti stealth traps are NOT meant to be used to fight a thief that you’ve already engaged in combat. If you’re trying to use it that way then you deserve to be face down in the dirt. They’re meant to be tactically placed in order to minimize access to a certain area of stealth players. For example, if you know when the enemy breaks down your tower gate that they’re going to try to sneak a stealthed mesmer in there with a portal…

Please, stop with the complaints that the traps are useless. A blueberry pie is useless if you’re trying to drive in a nail with it. But it still makes one tasty snack when used properly.

They are worth a minimum number of points. Zero.

If they’re worth zero, they’re spending a lot of time dead as opposed to power leveling.

kyro.8162:

Anyone else having trouble getting into wvwvw?

Early reset! Everyone start spamming your designated borderland!

Well, it’s the closing of another era in GW2 WvW as the match system changes things up in a notable fashion. I think it’s pretty clear that, through thick and thin, JQ stood out as one of if not the preeminent server of “the old” tier 1. So to all my fellow rocks of the Quarry, this one’s for you.

How about 1 WXP for every time we hit someone with an arrow cart? <salivate>

We of Jade Quarry look forwards to fighting along side our PYRO overlords.

To prevent full inventory issues, have the bags themselves appear in your inventory as stackable items to 250. Then you can open them at your leisure later. The chests as well, they could be handled the same way. Imagine the fun opening your inventory and there’s a stack of a couple chests waiting for you…