Guild Wars 2

Why there should not be a dps meter.

There is no dps profession.

It’s really that simple.

Used to ACs now. They’re fine as they are. We’re adapting.

skullmount.1758:

GW2Guru has more pics. Theres a pic of the Jade Greatsword and there are pics of the shatterer wings.

Zalani.9827:

Shattered dragon wings is apparently going to be from the achievement meta.
Also, really love how they both look, and im hoping that the Shattered ones are animated also. Couldn’t really tell from the pic.

I just wish we could get those achievement back pieces more than once. I have a bunch of characters I’ll want to use either the shatterer wings and the tentacle one (not so much the flower one), but will only be able to use them on one character.

VOLKON.1290:

That jade axe too… can’t wait to see the Jade Greatsword!

Oh my. Daddy wants.

Now.

That jade axe too… can’t wait to see the Jade Greatsword!

Nuka Cola.8520:

So instead of adding challenging content we get “activities” and fireworks, wtf? This is so lame.

Never played Dragon Ball, eh?

The battlefields seem to be running red.

Red with the rust from mixing Iron and tears.

Phanstaro.7308:

VOLKON.1290:

AcidicVision.5498:

Colin winky face after a comment regarding beetles returning.

Elona confirmed.

I’m sorry, but you can’t mention Elona and Roller Beetles without bringing up this from the past.

It does have the two types of mount I would accept in GW2, btw.

1. What did I just watch.

2. Why did I just watch the entire thing, mesmerized.

That was something thrown together from way WAY back in GW1, after the Elona expansion was released. One of my favorites. It seemed to impress Anet as well… they created a Grawl ritualist boss named “Fozzy Yeoryios”. Tough boss, and I wanted to hang out with him instead of fight.

AcidicVision.5498:

Colin winky face after a comment regarding beetles returning.

Elona confirmed.

I’m sorry, but you can’t mention Elona and Roller Beetles without bringing up this from the past.

It does have the two types of mount I would accept in GW2, btw.

DevonCarver.5370:

Everyone knows that the true key to the sandwichmancer class is the bread. New weapon confirmed! Ciabatta!

How does that synergize with an off-hand salami?

zhonnika.1784:

BPA is maybe 2 people during NA, and both of us usually rep other guilds, so I wouldn’t put us down there There are still some FIRE on JQ. Also, Acolytes, vH in NA.

Most of FIRE buggered off to Dwagonbrand.

Please migrate to the Recruitment sub section please?

Thundercleese.4210:

hex.3218:

Aha, but you didn’t count on me building up a resistance to iocane powder!

INCONCEIVABLE!

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

There will likely be a few weeks for things to stabilized. Also keep in mind that things can change when your weekend warriors go to bed.

Burl.9567:

VOLKON.1290:

Burl.9567:

I hope the hilarity that is ensuing on the EU servers happens for NA as well. Some servers are in two tiers or they are fighting themselves.

None of that is accurate. Devon already said we won’t actually know who we’re fighting until we log in to WvW tonight.

You aren’t reading what is going on with the EU reset are you? It’s all messed up.

I keep forgetting there’s an EU.

Burl.9567:

I hope the hilarity that is ensuing on the EU servers happens for NA as well. Some servers are in two tiers or they are fighting themselves.

None of that is accurate. Devon already said we won’t actually know who we’re fighting until we log in to WvW tonight.

Heh… don’cha love it? That mystery, that little not knowing who you’ll be fighting, having to wait until you hop into WvW tonight and… SURPRISE!

I’m borderline giddy with anticipation!

DevonCarver.5370:

Okay, so after much hard work and no small amount of wizardry we are going to get this in for today. We were unable to get the leaderboards fully set up to indicate the matchups, so there will be a disconnect there, but you will see your matchups once you log in.

Devon, thanks greatly for your efforts, but please don’t ever compromise yourself or your standards to rush anything because of forum rage. You wanted everything to be ready and in sync, that’s obvious.

But again, thanks.

The only real disappointment I see is with a significant number of posters complaining about not getting stuffs for free fast enough when in all likelihood they’re completely clueless to anything related to coding at all, not to mention the development cycle of a game or even system as massive as this. Congrats everyone, you got to pretend you’re eTough and say mean things to the developer who’s been kind enough to keep us up to date on things.

MarauderKing.4572:

VOLKON.1290:

I’m ex-Fire, still on JQ. Those that left left due to a clash of personalities, that’s pretty much it. Welcome to reality, not everyone gets along with everyone and I hope those that left are having a blast on DB. (And that they forget how to fight… <cough>) Although it sucked having my guild leave right when I was working hard to rebuild relations and move us beyond that, these things happen.

I don’t want to get into anything because as stated we do have a bright future on DB – and we have no interest in the past. But don’t say things like we forgot how to fight – that is so far from the truth and you know it. And the issues we left over go beyond personality clashes. We made our decision and are much happier for it. We have no interest in forum drama but I won’t let incorrect statements about our guild stand.

We wish the best for the handful of FIRE who stayed on JQ (and not all of those folks have left FIRE they will join us for our next game), and the same for the server as well.

Haniko, you missed the joke. I said I was hoping you would forget… we’re likely to cross paths in the near future. Sorry if I didn’t word that well.

You know, “John Smith” was the alias The Doctor used while hiding from the Family of Blood as a human.

This may not be a coincidence.

showatt.9413:

i find it very amusing to see that those JQ representatives still claiming that JQ has a good wvw community…maybe JQ did have a great community, but it’s gone now.

Why don’t you tell us why Fire, the guild that was on JQ since launch decided to transfer to DB? how about the departure of Omen? Also, if you are thinking about transferring to JQ, you need to watch out some of the commanders from HzH and AoS, they love yelling at PuGs who question their fail tactics, these so-called commanders even went as far as threatening to ban PuGs who have different views from using the server’s TS.

And people wonder why JQ is doing so bad these days…

I urge the folks from Omen and Fire to speak up, tell us the sad reality of JQ’s wvw community. JQ needs to get rid of its bad blood before it sinks lower.

I’m ex-Fire, still on JQ. Those that left left due to a clash of personalities, that’s pretty much it. Welcome to reality, not everyone gets along with everyone and I hope those that left are having a blast on DB. (And that they forget how to fight… <cough>) Although it sucked having my guild leave right when I was working hard to rebuild relations and move us beyond that, these things happen.

Those of us that stayed are seeing the community rebound wonderfully as we move on and having some absolutely great fights these days. The AoS and HzH commanders (as well as others, of course) have really been picking up the slack and the TS environment has been fun. Hey, I’ve been less than perfect at times in TS, but we chatted a bit and realize that to honestly move forward it starts from within, not without. What I see now in JQ is a refreshing reminder of the old days of crazy fun and crazier battles, and I welcome any and all to join us and share in that.

Come to Jade Quarry! We have the rock, you’ll help us roll.

Ugh… not my best work. Back to the drawing board.

I’m not the only one whose account got stuck with all caps!

I love you guys!

It’s unfortunate to see so much bile spewed about in threads like this… dial it back a bit folks.

Anyhoo. I’d also like to personally recommend Jade Quarry. It’s true we had a couple guilds migrate off to… other… servers, but as a result things have settled into a much friendlier community of people that would shave their short and curlies off with a dull hot knife soaked in alcohol for the server and each other. TS is fun, the battles are great… all my opinion of course, but it’s definitely worth looking into.

Don’t know if this helps at all due to the small sample size, but last night I salvaged four rares with a BL kit. I wound up with 6 ectos, quite literally (in no particular order) a 0, 1, 2 and a 3.

WvW levels, not regular levels.

Level up, you’ll get an extra chest each time you do until you’re caught up.

I did see a reef drake burp up a couple bones now that I think about it…

Thrumdi.9216:

Beachead.4127:

The point I am making is that pve players don’t have to wait on dailies. Why do WvW players have to wait on dailies? Why can’t badges be the same as fractals? Why can’t the laurel system stay as it is, fractal gear requires fractal tokens and WvW gear requires badges. Why do we get stuck with currency that requires waiting for the next day?

Because PvE and WvW gear is the same.

The only solution (which I expect Anet to reach about 6 months from now) is to split PvE and WvW gear. That way each game mode has its acquisition track (and currency).

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Nah, that won’t happen. It silly to consider you’d have to change clothes after you step through a portal into a borderlands or the like. Besides, if they did that, then people would have to now have at least two full sets of gear for every character. Anyone gearing alts would be quite not amused I think.

ekleenex.1654:

I couldn’t be bothered to scroll through all these pages of QQ… So why are the rings more then amulets? I’m probably missing something really fundamental here… But my brain is already fried for the day…

That’s because using laurels for rings is an “optional” means of getting them (Fractals being the primary source), yet laurels (from dailies) are intended to be the primary source for amulet purchases. Accessories are intended to optimally be obtained through guild commendations, which is why they’re relatively cheap that way yet expensive if you use laurels/ectos.

Life is better in the Quarry.

Beachead.4127:

Time sensitive in that I have to wait 24 hours for the next laurel. Where as I can dump a ton of time into fractals with out worry of a timer.

And get what exactly?

Herr der Friedhoefe.2490:

VOLKON.1290:

Laurels are not PvE only.

We don’t care. We’ve waited 6 months already. Now we’re waiting even longer.

…and we’re not happy about it.

If you’ve waited six months you’ve no one to blame but yourself. Seriously, waited for what? Ascended gear with badges only? Did you really think that you’d have access to ascended gear, the mid-level time-sink items, instantly because you had badges? I got my ascended gear just fine, and I din’t need no stinkin’ badges.

Beachead.4127:

I can’t explain it any more clearly. Others have too. Take out the fact that other systems are in place.. This is not a pure WvW way to get ascended gear. You have pure pve ways that do not require a time sensitive currency. But to obtain this gear in WvW solely, you have laurels.

Here’s the part that you can’t seem to grasp that is making your attempts at an explanation fail:

Laurels are not PvE only.

Laurels are obtained through dailies. Dailies can be accomplished both in PvE and WvW. Laurels are as WvW as they are PvE. It’s really that simply. On any given day, if I didn’t complete my daily in WvW (and I often did) then I completed it after leaving WvW briefly doing something that suppliments WvW, such as the gathering (for superior siege) or crafting (food, siege in the Forge, etc.).

Beachead.4127:

VOLKON.1290:

Herr der Friedhoefe.2490:

VOLKON.1290:

Removing the laurels removes the time requirement for the items.

Sounds good to me. Make it so #1.

Then you have the problem we had before which resulted in ascended gear being introduced… there was nothing to “do” progression-wise in some people’s mind once they had exotics because legendary felt so out of reach.

Except that we have been waiting six months. Why does it have to roll out slowly for us when every pver already has all their ascended gear.

I’ve been doing my dailies. I have all ascended gear with the exception of a back piece that has stats I like. I like to think I qualify as a WvW player, although some may argue that. Laurels never held me back nor should they hold anyone back (aside from the intended pacing, of course).

Herr der Friedhoefe.2490:

VOLKON.1290:

Herr der Friedhoefe.2490:

VOLKON.1290:

Removing the laurels removes the time requirement for the items.

Sounds good to me. Make it so #1.

Then you have the problem we had before which resulted in ascended gear being introduced… there was nothing to “do” progression-wise in some people’s mind once they had exotics because legendary felt so out of reach.

That does not bother me in the slightest.

You, maybe not. However the whole stench of “no end game, we wantz moar gearz!” was reeking up the forums for far too long. Carrot-addicts. Sheesh.

Wolfaen.9461:

Thor.1756:

My guild recently recieved a handful of players from Kaineng and their consensus was that wvw on JQ was way more fun than on Kaineng.

Right now you’ll always be able to find a map without a queue, and the maps that do have queues typically do not take longer than 5-20 minutes.

Outside of EB, pretty much every zerg will be led by a guild group and be on the community t.s. to organize and cooperate, at least during NA prime. Often, we will not just have a single large zerg ball but rather split our forces into two separate groups, 1 group led by a larger guild running a pin and leading the militia, and a smaller guild group of 20 or so to cap separate objectives, and collapse to the main group when necessary.

After the trouble with some of our larger guilds JQ is looking for some warm bodies to fill the holes left, we still have all of the skill, leadership, and coordination that kept us in t1 for so long.

/end of sales pitch

That sounds pretty kitten spot on for what I am looking for and probably exactly how Anet intended WvW gameplay to be like. Honestly JQ has been my top choice from the beginning so this helps in my decision if I choose to do so.

Pretty good sales pitch if you ask me..

Well, if we’re fortunate enough to have you come aboard, check out our JQ forums as well and get registered there. If the commanders that post frequently haven’t scared you off then odds are you’ll feel right at home.

Beachead.4127:

lordkrall.7241:

Beachead.4127:

Except I have to wait 25 days. Make it so players buying ascended gear with fractals also require laurels and I might call it even.

You do?
What happened to all the Laurels you have gotten before the patch?

Pretend I am a new player… If I do fractals, I can get all ascended gear in 30 days. If I WvW I have to wait 150 days or more. If I go on vacation or miss a daily, I have to wait longer.

No, you can’t. You’re wrong. You cannot get all ascended gear in 30 days doing Fractals. Only the rings. Period. Fractals does not give you laurels or guild commendations.

Herr der Friedhoefe.2490:

VOLKON.1290:

Removing the laurels removes the time requirement for the items.

Sounds good to me. Make it so #1.

Then you have the problem we had before which resulted in ascended gear being introduced… there was nothing to “do” progression-wise in some people’s mind once they had exotics because legendary felt so out of reach.

Junkpile.7439:

lordkrall.7241:

Junkpile.7439:

But is there badge option without laurels?

Nope.

Any info when it comes? I need rings, but i don’t waste laurels.

If you “need” them, it isn’t a waste. All ascended gear is meant to fill the “acquisition time gap” between exotics and legendary items. Removing the laurels removes the time requirement for the items.

I’m biased, being on JQ, but yeah… it’s a freaking blast. Especially when you have the organized guilds running around with commanders we all know and might consider respecting if they’d only bathe…

Junkpile.7439:

So does rings still cost laurels or have they changed it already?

There’s still a laurel option to buy rings if that’s what you’re asking.

If we’re getting five extra minutes to run to the camp and get back with supply for the dropped siege then I have only one thing to say.

Thanks Devon, nice touch.

I still want golems with arrow carts for hands.

Ping.5739:

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On the other hand, a person has a high fractal level can earn up to 4 pristine each day every char, which greatly reduce the time(3 days of getting ascended equipment…

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For the two rings. Period. That’s all Fractals will give you. You cannot run fractals all day and get all your ascended gear. OK, so let’s say they have the two rings and you’re still working on getting yours. They have what… 6 or 8 more power than you? Ooh, be afraid. That extra point or two of damage they get, scary stuff. If only there was some way to mitigate that damage through actual combat mechanics or personal skill… sigh…

Do people have any clue as to what they’re actually complaining about? Maybe 40 or 50 extra damage per hit in an ideal attack scenario with no mitigation or avoidance whatsoever when comparing someone in full berserkers vs. the equivalent in ascended gear. If you’re losing fights and think that’s the reason why… well, that’s not very self-flattering, trust me.

Thrumdi.9216:

Kronyx.2570:

I don’t get it. If people only WvW, and haven’t spent a single laurel. How the kitten do you not have 60-70+ saved up. Its been 4 months since laurels were introduced. Assuming even a 25% rate of daily completion, you would have atleast 40(monthly) +40(from dailies), 80 laurels. This just means that you really really suck at spending 5 mins to complete an easy quest.

Ectos are not exclusive to PvE, you can get them from WvW, and with the WvW chest we’ll know exactly how many.

Because dailies suck. They are essentially a 2nd job that you have to do every day. People play MMO’s to get away from stuff like chores.

Dailies might be marginally acceptable if you could do them strictly through killing people in WvW or completing WvW objectives. Gathering or spending karma are not WvW objectives.

Even then though dailies would probably distort WvW play for the worse. Playing the map, and strategy would be replaced by groups farming their dailies.

I’ve seen it happen in other games. I’m just surprised Anet introduced the same old hackneyed mechanics. The Manifesto lead us to expect differently.

Maybe you ought to actually get in the game and play it. Then you’ll see how ridiculous your statement is. Dailies were easy to complete before and are notably even easier to complete in WvW now, often by accident.

Beachead.4127:

Mooodster.3470:

VOLKON.1290:

Beachead.4127:

Answer this.. What am I supposed to do with all the badges I have right now? I have 8 laurels, some ascended items, stacks of superior rams, arrow arts etc.. I am sitting on over 4000 badges rotting in my bank that I was hoping to finally spend. What do I use them for Devon?

Traps. Supply traps are proving to be quite useful used properly.

might add gear for alt or siege prints to this here list

Can’t.. I need laurels so I have to wait days to do my daily… In the meantime I amass more badges. I average about 100 badges a day on the days I feel like logging in.

Don’t even get me started on traps…

Sorry, meant exotics. You can buy full sets of exotics with badges for alts or your main if you want to try a different build.

Berserk.2830:

Kimbald.2697:

I find the WvW cost a bit too high on the laurels, simply because the pve crowd got a 6 month head start.
That should be calculated too, when comparing the ‘time cost’.

Other than that, I still think the whole ascended gear idea is a bad joke, but that’s just my view on gearing up in this game.

I agree.

Arnet should have made it so you get 1 laurel with each rank chest (past or present chest) to compensate for the time difference. That would have at least balanced the time difference for pve players and wvw players.

Or they could have made it so you could also exchange 250 badges for 1 “wvw” laurel and that laurel can only be used for wvw ascended gear, but the wvw vendor see’s it as a normal laurel so it can be used with daily/monthly laurels.

How would that have been fair then? I’ve missed maybe a handful of dailies at most, so this would be a huge boon of laurels for me that frankly I haven’t earned. There is no time difference. Just people that chose to do their dailies as well and those that didn’t.

Tekyn.5376:

VOLKON.1290:

Tekyn.5376:

VOLKON.1290:

Tekyn.5376:

VOLKON.1290:

Tekyn.5376:

VOLKON.1290:

Tekyn.5376:

DevonCarver.5370:

We included the laurel cost to prevent the economy from suddenly being blown out and to not invalidate the ways PvE players can get ascended items already. This system means that it is faster to get them in WvW, especially for players who already have badges, without being so much faster that everyone only gets them in this manner. As for the difficulty of acquiring laurels in WvW, we have taken steps to address that, including the fact that there will always be 3 daily achievements that are WvW specific. Speaking personally, I’ve been able to achieve my dailies in WvW even without that change, but this should make it even easier.

I have three level 80’s and 7 sets of gear. It will take me over 12 months to get the 490 laurels I need. Is that how you intended the system to work? Should I go play another MMO while I grind out my dailies?

Actually, yes. Ascended was made to fill a time-sink between that required to get exotics (non-existent) and legendary (forever, give or take an hour). For the minor stat increase involved it’s not like there’s any notable disadvantage as you would see in carrot-styled MMOs where gear matters significantly between tiers. It’s a modest increase for a modest time investment that ultimately isn’t necessary.

(1) Legendary weapons have nothing to do with this issue. I don’t have one and will never get one.

(2) A “time investment” of 12 months is not modest.

(1) Legendary weapons have everything to do with the issue where time sinks were concerned. There was a humongous time gap between exotics and legendaries that, quite frankly, needed to be filled. People were getting full exotics and not seeing a progression flavored goal that felt somewhat reachable.

(2). Per character. Took a few months to get my mesmer in ascended. It was fine… the marginal increase never held be back from being effective in WvW.

That’s great man, but we’re not talking about effectiveness in WvW and we’re not talking about the time sink involved in getting a legendary. I’m sure you have valid points to make on those subjects but that has nothing to do with the point I was making.

As I mentioned in my original post I have three level 80’s and 7, almost 8 sets of full exotic gear. If I want to upgrade all that gear to ascended I will need 490 laurels, 380 counting what I have now. That would mean earning all the dailies and the monthlies for the next 12 months. That makes no sense and I think most people would agree with me. The easier option, and the option I think most people will end up taking is just to suck it up and run fractals.

The only thing running Fractals will do for you is give you another option to get the rings, period. You won’t get any additional access to amulets or accessories that way.

As for effectiveness… if you’re in full exotics, you’re effective. Period. The nominal increases from ascended have little effect in WvW where a single dodge, block, avoid, move out of range, etc. completely negates any apparent numerical advantage people on paper. Full berserker to berserker upgrading, five pieces (not back piece) netted, when including crit chance and damage, a grand total of some 5 to 7% increase in total raw damage. So if I hit for 1000, that became a whopping 1050. That’s it. One dodge, one well timed heal, it’s meaningless. If you’re better you’ll still be better regardless of whether or not that guy you just got the loot bag from had ascended items.

Read my signature.

Trolled by data? I sat down over a couple days and calculated it all out. It’s really that marginal of an increase.

I am not debating data with you. You are having a conversation with yourself mate.

Ah, ok. Well, at least someone’s listening then.

Mooodster.3470:

VOLKON.1290:

Beachead.4127:

Answer this.. What am I supposed to do with all the badges I have right now? I have 8 laurels, some ascended items, stacks of superior rams, arrow arts etc.. I am sitting on over 4000 badges rotting in my bank that I was hoping to finally spend. What do I use them for Devon?

Traps. Supply traps are proving to be quite useful used properly.

might add gear for alt or siege prints to this here list

Crap, you’re right. You can get full alternate sets of gear, siege blueprints… good point, thanks for the reminder.