Guild Wars 2

i play tournaments. i just came from one. i dont play it that often though. this is my last comment. i got the answer that i wanted and you didn’t give it. thank you.

but most of your explanations were biased, offensive and insubstantial.

the best guy who intelligently answered my question was jcbroe. he was unbiased, respectful and straight to the facts. i hope more players are like him in gw2.

why worry about what other people will say? that’s not the right path to be happy. just choose which ever class you feel is fun for you.

ahuba.6430:

Valentin.2073:

ahuba.6430:

Valentin.2073:

yeah, i don’t play tpvp. i just took this screenshot a couple of hours ago. all i hear from you is nothing but condescending comments. i wonder why they haven’t banned you yet.

why would they ban me for saying the truth? You have 29 tpvp games since leaderboards were released. Jesus man, so much bs coming out from you…

this thread is not even about me yet you attack me directly. i’ve been reading your posts and i noticed that they always get deleted. i never said i’m a professional mmorpg player. truth is this is the first mmorpg i played and i’m already thinking about quitting. there is just too much rudeness amongst players here. they won’t even let new players have fun and play.

new players want to use strong builds too so that they can enjoy pvp but you guys treat us as if we have no right to express our thoughts and opinions.

everything is easy to play in gw2, if people have trouble playing the classes of gw2 they are hopeless. But theres easy to play and then theres absolutely faceroll plays itself specs… And yeah, new players should have easy to grasp specs, but not at the expense of the fun of others. Playing against minion necros and spirit rangers has been the worst dueling experience i’ve had in mmo pvp.

have you ever thought that most players just want this game as casual as it is? nobody is stopping you to play your high-end tourneys but most of us really don’t care. we treat a strong build like a toy that’s fun to play with.

i’m just asking what makes you think that your class takes more skill to play than a spirit ranger. thank you.

ahuba.6430:

Valentin.2073:

yeah, i don’t play tpvp. i just took this screenshot a couple of hours ago. all i hear from you is nothing but condescending comments. i wonder why they haven’t banned you yet.

why would they ban me for saying the truth? You have 29 tpvp games since leaderboards were released. Jesus man, so much bs coming out from you…

this thread is not even about me yet you attack me directly. i’ve been reading your posts and i noticed that they always get deleted. i never said i’m a professional mmorpg player. truth is this is the first mmorpg i played and i’m already thinking about quitting. there is just too much rudeness amongst players here. they won’t even let new players have fun and play.

new players want to use strong builds too so that they can enjoy pvp but you guys treat us as if we have no right to express our thoughts and opinions.

Archaon.6245:

Valentin.2073:

you can try to look for me at duel arenas. i spend most of my time there btw. i’m not saying i’m a pro at 1v1 but i’ve been spending a lot of time dueling.

duel arenas? so you’re going vs “bunker guardians” in those so called “duel arenas” …ok…i give up…nothing more to say

there are some good players at those places too. you’re being an elitist, man. that’s not nice.

ahuba.6430:

Valentin.2073:

Archaon.6245:

Valentin.2073:

Archaon.6245:

Valentin.2073:

Archaon.6245:

Valentin.2073:

Archaon.6245:

Valentin.2073:

Archaon.6245:

Valentin.2073:

i say that we all need to respect other professions/builds. i see people cry OP every time they get beaten and they would lash out mean words, when they could have chosen a different route to survive.

I tried spirit ranger too and guess what? When i kill someone good after an intense fight with mesmer it usually ends up with gg, nice play and so on (Same if i get killed by someone playing skillfully) but when i went for a couple of runs with spirit ranger i still killed ppl (With no effort and not even knowing wtf i was doing, not even skill’s effects..just spamming and that’s it) but i felt dumb playing something so facepalm op and for sure noone whispered me “nice fight” cause i was winning versus way way more skilled ppl (Compared to me on freakin ranger) just because of my build…

After some runs i obviously deleted spirit ranger..i’d rather lose playing my class good than winning just mashing my keyboard while facerolling pretty much everything around just beacuse of the build i’m running…as i said before spirit ranger doesn’t even have a skill floor\ceiling..you’re just another spirit ranger, playing it is so easy then there’s no way to play it bad..

i don’t believe you. you are obviously lying. i don’t get it why people like you are allowed to post some BS just to prove their point.

yup i know it’s hard to believe that someone actually dislikes dumb specs and winning without skills…so far i know many who don’t want to play spirit ranger cause it’s dumb and boring sticking to “almost out of meta” specs just because they’re fun to play and only rewarding if you play good but we’re probably playing with different ppl…anyway i bet noone you killed ever pm’ed you “nice fight, you’re really good” while playing spirit ranger…am i wrong?

there were some warriors and guardians who complimented me after i beat them 1v1. you’re just one of those few people who lack any sense of sportsmanship.

Yeah..warriors..and really high ranked i suppose..obviously assuming you’re talking about tpvp how the kitten did a bunker guardian manage to lose vs a spirit ranger 1vs1 it’s beyond me btw..

And believe me i’m the first saying gg to someone who gets me because he’s playing good..many eles, engis, other mesmers..even thieves…but there’s no way to meet a skilled spirit ranger cause, as i said many times, it doesn’t require skills..

then you were obviously bluffing when you said that you tried to play a spirit ranger because any decent spirit ranger can easily destroy a bunker guardian. please stop lying and start making substantial arguments.

Never got downed by a spirit ranger once with bunker guardian…you can keep up for more than one minute if you’re just decent…

try a spirit ranger wearing soldier amulet instead of those who wear carrion or settler. a spirit ranger with a soldier amulet has 3.1 k attack 2.9 k damage and 24.5 k hp. do you even know that?

And you know that power is the worst way to go vs any bunker right? And hp are meaningless, you will never die vs a bunker guard..but if you can’t decap you already lost..

I have to ask you a question..what rank are you? Just curiosity..

i’m rank 40.

he’s an hotjoin hero, he doesnt play tpvp

yeah, i don’t play tpvp. i just took this screenshot a couple of hours ago. all i hear from you is nothing but condescending comments. i wonder why they haven’t banned you yet.

you can try to look for me at duel arenas. i spend most of my time there btw. i’m not saying i’m a pro at 1v1 but i’ve been spending a lot of time dueling.

this is funny. because i never had a hard time killing guardians. but maybe i’m just a noob playing with other noobs. my bad.

Archaon.6245:

Valentin.2073:

Archaon.6245:

Valentin.2073:

Archaon.6245:

Valentin.2073:

Archaon.6245:

Valentin.2073:

Archaon.6245:

Valentin.2073:

i say that we all need to respect other professions/builds. i see people cry OP every time they get beaten and they would lash out mean words, when they could have chosen a different route to survive.

I tried spirit ranger too and guess what? When i kill someone good after an intense fight with mesmer it usually ends up with gg, nice play and so on (Same if i get killed by someone playing skillfully) but when i went for a couple of runs with spirit ranger i still killed ppl (With no effort and not even knowing wtf i was doing, not even skill’s effects..just spamming and that’s it) but i felt dumb playing something so facepalm op and for sure noone whispered me “nice fight” cause i was winning versus way way more skilled ppl (Compared to me on freakin ranger) just because of my build…

After some runs i obviously deleted spirit ranger..i’d rather lose playing my class good than winning just mashing my keyboard while facerolling pretty much everything around just beacuse of the build i’m running…as i said before spirit ranger doesn’t even have a skill floor\ceiling..you’re just another spirit ranger, playing it is so easy then there’s no way to play it bad..

i don’t believe you. you are obviously lying. i don’t get it why people like you are allowed to post some BS just to prove their point.

yup i know it’s hard to believe that someone actually dislikes dumb specs and winning without skills…so far i know many who don’t want to play spirit ranger cause it’s dumb and boring sticking to “almost out of meta” specs just because they’re fun to play and only rewarding if you play good but we’re probably playing with different ppl…anyway i bet noone you killed ever pm’ed you “nice fight, you’re really good” while playing spirit ranger…am i wrong?

there were some warriors and guardians who complimented me after i beat them 1v1. you’re just one of those few people who lack any sense of sportsmanship.

Yeah..warriors..and really high ranked i suppose..obviously assuming you’re talking about tpvp how the kitten did a bunker guardian manage to lose vs a spirit ranger 1vs1 it’s beyond me btw..

And believe me i’m the first saying gg to someone who gets me because he’s playing good..many eles, engis, other mesmers..even thieves…but there’s no way to meet a skilled spirit ranger cause, as i said many times, it doesn’t require skills..

then you were obviously bluffing when you said that you tried to play a spirit ranger because any decent spirit ranger can easily destroy a bunker guardian. please stop lying and start making substantial arguments.

Never got downed by a spirit ranger once with bunker guardian…you can keep up for more than one minute if you’re just decent…

try a spirit ranger wearing soldier amulet instead of those who wear carrion or settler. a spirit ranger with a soldier amulet has 3.1 k attack 2.9 k damage and 24.5 k hp. do you even know that?

And you know that power is the worst way to go vs any bunker right? And hp are meaningless, you will never die vs a bunker guard..but if you can’t decap you already lost..

I have to ask you a question..what rank are you? Just curiosity..

i’m rank 40.

Archaon.6245:

Valentin.2073:

Archaon.6245:

Valentin.2073:

Archaon.6245:

Valentin.2073:

Archaon.6245:

Valentin.2073:

i say that we all need to respect other professions/builds. i see people cry OP every time they get beaten and they would lash out mean words, when they could have chosen a different route to survive.

I tried spirit ranger too and guess what? When i kill someone good after an intense fight with mesmer it usually ends up with gg, nice play and so on (Same if i get killed by someone playing skillfully) but when i went for a couple of runs with spirit ranger i still killed ppl (With no effort and not even knowing wtf i was doing, not even skill’s effects..just spamming and that’s it) but i felt dumb playing something so facepalm op and for sure noone whispered me “nice fight” cause i was winning versus way way more skilled ppl (Compared to me on freakin ranger) just because of my build…

After some runs i obviously deleted spirit ranger..i’d rather lose playing my class good than winning just mashing my keyboard while facerolling pretty much everything around just beacuse of the build i’m running…as i said before spirit ranger doesn’t even have a skill floor\ceiling..you’re just another spirit ranger, playing it is so easy then there’s no way to play it bad..

i don’t believe you. you are obviously lying. i don’t get it why people like you are allowed to post some BS just to prove their point.

yup i know it’s hard to believe that someone actually dislikes dumb specs and winning without skills…so far i know many who don’t want to play spirit ranger cause it’s dumb and boring sticking to “almost out of meta” specs just because they’re fun to play and only rewarding if you play good but we’re probably playing with different ppl…anyway i bet noone you killed ever pm’ed you “nice fight, you’re really good” while playing spirit ranger…am i wrong?

there were some warriors and guardians who complimented me after i beat them 1v1. you’re just one of those few people who lack any sense of sportsmanship.

Yeah..warriors..and really high ranked i suppose..obviously assuming you’re talking about tpvp how the kitten did a bunker guardian manage to lose vs a spirit ranger 1vs1 it’s beyond me btw..

And believe me i’m the first saying gg to someone who gets me because he’s playing good..many eles, engis, other mesmers..even thieves…but there’s no way to meet a skilled spirit ranger cause, as i said many times, it doesn’t require skills..

then you were obviously bluffing when you said that you tried to play a spirit ranger because any decent spirit ranger can easily destroy a bunker guardian. please stop lying and start making substantial arguments.

Never got downed by a spirit ranger once with bunker guardian…you can keep up for more than one minute if you’re just decent…

try a spirit ranger wearing soldier amulet instead of those who wear carrion or settler. a spirit ranger with a soldier amulet has 3.1 k attack, 3 k armor and 24.5 k hp. do you even know that?

those spirit rangers you’ve fought with were even using mediocre builds yet you still qq.

Archaon.6245:

Valentin.2073:

Archaon.6245:

Valentin.2073:

Archaon.6245:

Valentin.2073:

i say that we all need to respect other professions/builds. i see people cry OP every time they get beaten and they would lash out mean words, when they could have chosen a different route to survive.

I tried spirit ranger too and guess what? When i kill someone good after an intense fight with mesmer it usually ends up with gg, nice play and so on (Same if i get killed by someone playing skillfully) but when i went for a couple of runs with spirit ranger i still killed ppl (With no effort and not even knowing wtf i was doing, not even skill’s effects..just spamming and that’s it) but i felt dumb playing something so facepalm op and for sure noone whispered me “nice fight” cause i was winning versus way way more skilled ppl (Compared to me on freakin ranger) just because of my build…

After some runs i obviously deleted spirit ranger..i’d rather lose playing my class good than winning just mashing my keyboard while facerolling pretty much everything around just beacuse of the build i’m running…as i said before spirit ranger doesn’t even have a skill floor\ceiling..you’re just another spirit ranger, playing it is so easy then there’s no way to play it bad..

i don’t believe you. you are obviously lying. i don’t get it why people like you are allowed to post some BS just to prove their point.

yup i know it’s hard to believe that someone actually dislikes dumb specs and winning without skills…so far i know many who don’t want to play spirit ranger cause it’s dumb and boring sticking to “almost out of meta” specs just because they’re fun to play and only rewarding if you play good but we’re probably playing with different ppl…anyway i bet noone you killed ever pm’ed you “nice fight, you’re really good” while playing spirit ranger…am i wrong?

there were some warriors and guardians who complimented me after i beat them 1v1. you’re just one of those few people who lack any sense of sportsmanship.

Yeah..warriors..and really high ranked i suppose..obviously assuming you’re talking about tpvp how the kitten did a bunker guardian manage to lose vs a spirit ranger 1vs1 it’s beyond me btw..

And believe me i’m the first saying gg to someone who gets me because he’s playing good..many eles, engis, other mesmers..even thieves…but there’s no way to meet a skilled spirit ranger cause, as i said many times, it doesn’t require skills..

then you were obviously bluffing when you said that you tried to play a spirit ranger because any decent spirit ranger can easily destroy a bunker guardian. please stop lying and start making substantial arguments.

Archaon.6245:

Valentin.2073:

Archaon.6245:

Valentin.2073:

i say that we all need to respect other professions/builds. i see people cry OP every time they get beaten and they would lash out mean words, when they could have chosen a different route to survive.

I tried spirit ranger too and guess what? When i kill someone good after an intense fight with mesmer it usually ends up with gg, nice play and so on (Same if i get killed by someone playing skillfully) but when i went for a couple of runs with spirit ranger i still killed ppl (With no effort and not even knowing wtf i was doing, not even skill’s effects..just spamming and that’s it) but i felt dumb playing something so facepalm op and for sure noone whispered me “nice fight” cause i was winning versus way way more skilled ppl (Compared to me on freakin ranger) just because of my build…

After some runs i obviously deleted spirit ranger..i’d rather lose playing my class good than winning just mashing my keyboard while facerolling pretty much everything around just beacuse of the build i’m running…as i said before spirit ranger doesn’t even have a skill floor\ceiling..you’re just another spirit ranger, playing it is so easy then there’s no way to play it bad..

i don’t believe you. you are obviously lying. i don’t get it why people like you are allowed to post some BS just to prove their point.

yup i know it’s hard to believe that someone actually dislikes dumb specs and winning without skills…so far i know many who don’t want to play spirit ranger cause it’s dumb and boring sticking to “almost out of meta” specs just because they’re fun to play and only rewarding if you play good but we’re probably playing with different ppl…anyway i bet noone you killed ever pm’ed you “nice fight, you’re really good” while playing spirit ranger…am i wrong?

there were some warriors and guardians who complimented me after i beat them 1v1. you’re just one of those few people who lack any sense of sportsmanship.

Archaon.6245:

Valentin.2073:

i say that we all need to respect other professions/builds. i see people cry OP every time they get beaten and they would lash out mean words, when they could have chosen a different route to survive.

I tried spirit ranger too and guess what? When i kill someone good after an intense fight with mesmer it usually ends up with gg, nice play and so on (Same if i get killed by someone playing skillfully) but when i went for a couple of runs with spirit ranger i still killed ppl (With no effort and not even knowing wtf i was doing, not even skill’s effects..just spamming and that’s it) but i felt dumb playing something so facepalm op and for sure noone whispered me “nice fight” cause i was winning versus way way more skilled ppl (Compared to me on freakin ranger) just because of my build…

After some runs i obviously deleted spirit ranger..i’d rather lose playing my class good than winning just mashing my keyboard while facerolling pretty much everything around just beacuse of the build i’m running…as i said before spirit ranger doesn’t even have a skill floor\ceiling..you’re just another spirit ranger, playing it is so easy then there’s no way to play it bad..

i don’t believe you. you are obviously lying. i don’t get it why people like you are allowed to post some BS just to prove their point.

ahuba.6430:

Valentin.2073:

a spirit ranger doesn’t have burst damage aside from the storm spirit active and now anet is nerfing it hugely.

now i understand, a skilled player is someone who rolls a handicapped build. it’s pretty easy. people will always call other players unskilled if they are using a strong build.

you’re biased as kitten and nothing people tell you will convince you. this thread serves no purpose, you’re just gonna dismiss whatever people tell you. you’re just like that warrior that made a thread about how he had the ultimate proof that warrior is fine, and that proof was him playing like a scrub lol
I dare you to make a toon of every class, with a spec that is not braindead, and go into an hotjoin spamming 1 and dodge. then come here and tell us which one you did better with.
I don’t even know how you can’t understand. Just compare spirit ranger with the positioning you need as mesmer, the mechanics of engineer or the twitch reflexes you need as d/p thief.

you must be really happy because anet is nerfing the storm spirit bigtime. thanks for all the qq’s.

all professions can trait to full bunker, glass cannon or balanced. if you chose to use a glass cannon build, be prepared to be easily killed anytime during a match. i think this kind of logic works for all professions not just rangers.

btw, i’m not that techy-savvy to make gw2 videos.

i say that we all need to respect other professions/builds too. i see people cry OP every time they get beaten and they would lash out mean words, when they could have chosen a different route to survive.

ahuba.6430:

Just compare spirit ranger with the positioning you need as mesmer, the mechanics of engineer or the twitch reflexes you need as d/p thief.

you need to flank as a ranger to inflict bleed. don’t you know that? flanking involves good positioning too. thank you.

Archaon.6245:

Valentin.2073:

wew! this thread has become a battle of who is a better player.

i did try to roll a power ranger in a really long time. i must say that it doesn’t take skill as much as a spirit ranger. with a power build, you dps from a distance helping the tankers to take down the enemies quickly and with a spirit ranger, you become one of those tankers, absorbing all the damage while supporting the other bunkers.

all i wanna know is what makes other class/build more skilled to play than a spirit ranger.

Not having pets and spirits playing for you first of all and being able to run a bunker spec that actually deals pretty high damage too…just take a shatter mez, a dps ele or an engi and look at how many skills they have to use in order to just keep up with a spirit ranger…then look at how many skills (Outside autoattack and random dodges) he actually uses in order to fight back and even winning vs those classes…you’ll see by yourself

Just an example http://www.twitch.tv/ostricheggs/c/3023189

Btw if you need to ask what makes spirit rangers a braindead spec you probably never went tpvp running something outside it…or just trolling…

i think that video was made before ele’s were buffed a little. you can’t do that to an ele anymore. i see them getting a little tougher nowadays. btw, the ranger on that video pushed the same # of keys to defeat the ele: lb#4 lb#2 utility (storm active) and f2 with the pet. it just happened that the ele facetanked the storm spirit’s active twice, first was when the ranger activated it and second was when it got killed while the ele was within the range of its damage.

you guys are just being arrogant dissing something you don’t even understand. no offense meant.

ps: edited some grammar errors and typo’s

just know how to play your role well. most people who flame during a match are the bad players anyways so don’t get bothered by them.

btw, you can use the training mobs at the training ground. i think that all newbies should try them first before plunging in to pvp. just keep playing. don’t stop until you mastered your class/build.

why can’t you just list all the things that make you more skilled than a spirit ranger? i challenge you. since you are all confident that your class/build is much better, im sure it’s not gonna be that hard.

Arachnid.4062:

Valentin.2073:

a spirit ranger doesn’t have burst damage aside from the storm spirit active and now anet is nerfing it hugely.

now i understand, a skilled player is someone who rolls a handicapped build. it’s pretty easy. people will always call other players unskilled if they are using a strong build.

A skilled player can use a handicapped build or a strong build. Obviously that has nothing to do with the ‘skill’ of the player.

The fact is that spirit ranger doesn’t take skill, as much as you’d like to believe it does.
You can be highly effective with a spirits build from day one if you’ve spent any time at all playing PvP.

“Skill” is knowledge as well as reflexes acquired over time used to facilitate certain actions (example: musician, or doctor). You would never be able to play a piano concerto at your first piano lesson. But builds like spirit ranger and hambow warrior are like Guitar Hero, where you press buttons and pretend to be a rockstar when in reality the game is doing most of the work for you.

Sure, some spirit rangers are good players and make the best of the tools they bring, but comparatively there are many other specs which are viable, yet take much more skill to maximize their effectiveness.

that’s just pure arrogance.

so rolling a necro takes more skills?

people just need to stop deluding themselves.

jcbroe.4329:

Most of the problem with the ranger builds/class is the stigma that has been attached to it by the compounded dislike given to it by the community across all of the games content except open world PvE.

Where that stigma comes from is the lack of actions per minute and “skillshots” it takes to be effective on the ranger. Most of that problem is rooted directly in the weapon selection.

Shortbow is probably the biggest culprit, because none of its cooldown skills are designed around the need to be used for a DPS improvement. That makes the weapon almost like a guild wars 1 ranger throwback; you autoattack to do damage, and utilize your utilities as necessary.

Now, having put in a fair amount of time on my other classes (I started with a main ranger and now play everything but ele), I don’t honestly see where rangers can reach the damage potential that other classes can, which looks to me like the issue stems from the Storm Spirits ability to do burst damage without power investment, the lack of actions per minute it takes to play the class and how that effects it’s already innate survival focus.

What I mean is, again, with certain weapons, rangers only really have to worry about using their cooldowns as utility. Because there are no real rotations needed that are necessary to reach the desired DPS output, more of the players attention can be focused on using tactics to sustain themselves, like dodges or weapon evades, which compared to a class like an engineer who has to juggle kits and aim skills, or a necro who has to aim many of their skills, makes the class rather forgiving, because there is almost next to nothing to whiff on a rangers Shortbow, versus whiffing something on an engi/necro which could result in either taking the damage you were trying to avoid, or missing the skill you needed to land.

Now, most of the issues I’ve described are related directly to the ranger shortbow. Other weaponsets, like the Axe/Dagger Sword/Torch combination, never really received any complaints from anybody, because of how they play versus how the shortbow plays.

Also, people just don’t like playing against AI, and then they don’t like it when that AI does something (how pushing a button that summons something that gives benefits to teammates versus pushing a button that gives boons that passively help teammates are different concepts, I’ll never know) on top of just being there.

But I guess the main issues would be:

-Poor weapon design that doesn’t require many actions per minute to be effective and doesn’t require any skill rotations to be effective
-AI entities in a competitive atmosphere that are (perceived) to be carrying the player using them into a skill tier that they (possibly) wouldn’t be in without them

Ultimately though the stigma is the biggest issue. It’s one thing to point out the shortcomings of the particular design of the class, but to ostracize and haze players who are playing the class is over the line. Those players shouldn’t be punished for the state of development that the class is in, and they shouldn’t be punished for enjoying their play time on that class.

If you’re going to blame somebody, blame ANet. Most of the changes that the competitive community asks for to be done to the ranger class (the serious, in depth criticisms the offer changes to make the class more competitive) are the same ones that the devs have seemingly been avoiding at all costs in the ranger subforum (along with your casual stuff since it is an audience derived of all players).

i appreciate that you took the time to answer my questions in an unbiased and intelligent manner.

a spirit ranger doesn’t have burst damage aside from the storm spirit active and now anet is nerfing it hugely.

now i understand, a skilled player is someone who rolls a handicapped build. it’s pretty easy. people will always call other players unskilled if they are using a strong build.

infantrydiv.1620:

Valentin.2073:

jmatb.6307:

It’s just not respectable. All the specifics boil down to that in the end.

because you guys are teaching people not to respect it. sighs

Ranger already has great builds for beginners like Beastmaster/Trap. They are simple to understand + learn.

The problem I have is that Spirits simply overshadow all other ranger builds because they can do everything better making the gameplay extremely easy/forgiving.

it’s a bunker/support build for rangers, infantry. not all rangers choose to tank. i don’t see anything wrong about spirit rangers being tanky at all. do you think all rangers like to stand on a point and absorb all the damage from glass cannons? a spirit ranger makes some sacrifices too just like other bunkers.

jmatb.6307:

It’s just not respectable. All the specifics boil down to that in the end.

because you guys are teaching people not to respect it. sighs

Oblivion.8307:

It’s not that people don’t want fun viable builds for new players, because that’s exactly what structured pvp needs. It’s just playing against a spirit ranger is incredibly annoying regardless of your skill level due to how passive the class plays out.

you just say it’s passive because of the spirit’s proc. i don’t see any difference at all between rolling a power build and a spirit ranger build. btw, when i was playing a power build i used two signets (speed and toughness). i don’t consider using signets any less passive than using spirits.

i think anet needs to make it possible for all professions to have strong builds so new pvp players will get a better pvp experience.

don’t you think that newbies should have a strong build to start with? i want to see more pve players to get involved in pvp.

btw, i think it’s biased to say that spirit rangers just auto-attack with their shortbows. you all know that but you just use it to insult them.

ahuba.6430:

Valentin.2073:

wew! this thread has become a battle of who is a better player.

i did try to roll a power ranger in a really long time. i must say that it doesn’t take skill as much as a spirit ranger. with a power build, you dps from a distance helping the tankers to take down the enemies quickly and with a spirit ranger, you become one of those tankers, absorbing all the damage while supporting the other bunkers.

all i wanna know is what makes other class/build more skilled to play than a spirit ranger.

you have been told many many times. its not worth the effort anymore.

not enough… i’m still not convinced. all the qq’s i’ve read so far are insubstantial.

wew! this thread has become a battle of who is a better player.

i did try to roll a power ranger in a really long time. i must say that it doesn’t take skill as much as a spirit ranger. with a power build, you dps from a distance helping the tankers to take down the enemies quickly and with a spirit ranger, you become one of those tankers, absorbing all the damage while supporting the other bunkers.

all i wanna know is what makes other class/build more skilled to play than a spirit ranger.

Mightymealworm.8409:

To be fair, it wasn’t a question, it was a suggestion. Check thread title. Questions based on ignorance are good, that’s how we learn. Suggestions based on ignorance are bad, that should be self explanatory.

you’re not for real, are you?

i approve of this thread.

some new players will try to join pvp and make a build they thought was OP without even practicing. pro-players should contribute to these kinds of posts to teach newbies how they can play their class well. this will make pvp experience more enjoyable for them.

why are you bashing newbies like that? if you got that kind of mentality, you should not be allowed to post here as well. you can educate him in a nice way how to counter a guardian.

this is the reason why pvp is dying little by little.

Dardamaniac.1295:

Let me fix this..
Symbolic is a good player, he didnt main Ranger so he may not love him as we do but he got some very solid points..Most of hes statements are for the generall good even if it saddness some Rangers

In the other hand Sol deserves some respect, its not nice to tell him that hes just above average..Hes team are doing great work and i cant count skill but im pretty sure that these guys(and Sol) know very well what they are doing.

+1

Oblivion.8307:

I still think BM is better than spirits anyways.

So you think having the pet inflict most of the damage takes skill? I’m really curious. What makes BM more skillful than a spirit ranger?

i’m not defending the build, man. i just wanna know what makes a spirit ranger OP and very easy to play compared to other “meta-builds”.

infantrydiv.1620:

Valentin.2073:

infantrydiv.1620:

Valentin.2073:

infantrydiv.1620:

a t s e.9614:

Hambow warr is harder to play than petting zoo builds . And S\D thief 333333 spam? How do you get such a fast intil regen bro????

Hambow longbow is at the very least a class that you can be actively outplayed/counterplayed. It requires basic positioning +combo chain knowledge, unlike spirit ranger.

Also, +1 to the s/d thief with 25 initiative.

do you think a ranger flanking with his bows to deal bleed is not skilled? do you think activating the spirits at the right moment is braindead? i really wanna know truth. thank you.

I’ve seen multiple times where so called ‘pro rangers’ literally run into a mid fight and activate all 3 spirit abilities simultaneously. So no, this isn’t skilled.

Flanking with your shortbow could take skill, but in all honesty with the burning from your pet and you while you have so many evades, it isn’t even necessary to win a 1v1.

so you think a necro dropping plague that can kill a foe in seconds is skilled and requires you to think before you use it? btw, you haven’t answered my question earlier.between necros and spirit rangers, who has better chances to win if they engage in a 1v1 battle against each other? i just wanna know the truth before i tell myself that i am indeed running an unbalanced and facerolling build.

Are you talking about plague form? Nothing is making you stand in a necros plague. It’s extremely easy to kite. If a necro actually killed you while in plague form, there is nothing I can do for you, sorry.

how many conditions can you deal with that skill? in a team fight, fighting on a cap, how many can dodge that? since you played a spirit ranger, usually how many conditions can you deal? teach me. thank you.

infantrydiv.1620:

Valentin.2073:

infantrydiv.1620:

a t s e.9614:

Hambow warr is harder to play than petting zoo builds . And S\D thief 333333 spam? How do you get such a fast intil regen bro????

Hambow longbow is at the very least a class that you can be actively outplayed/counterplayed. It requires basic positioning +combo chain knowledge, unlike spirit ranger.

Also, +1 to the s/d thief with 25 initiative.

do you think a ranger flanking with his bows to deal bleed is not skilled? do you think activating the spirits at the right moment is braindead? i really wanna know truth. thank you.

I’ve seen multiple times where so called ‘pro rangers’ literally run into a mid fight and activate all 3 spirit abilities simultaneously. So no, this isn’t skilled.

Flanking with your shortbow could take skill, but in all honesty with the burning from your pet and you while you have so many evades, it isn’t even necessary to win a 1v1.

so you think a necro dropping plague that can kill a foe in seconds is skilled and requires you to think before you use it? btw, you haven’t answered my question earlier.between necros and spirit rangers, who has better chances to win if they engage in a 1v1 battle against each other? i just wanna know the truth before i tell myself that i am indeed running an unbalanced and facerolling build.

infantrydiv.1620:

a t s e.9614:

Hambow warr is harder to play than petting zoo builds . And S\D thief 333333 spam? How do you get such a fast intil regen bro????

Hambow longbow is at the very least a class that you can be actively outplayed/counterplayed. It requires basic positioning +combo chain knowledge, unlike spirit ranger.

Also, +1 to the s/d thief with 25 initiative.

do you think a ranger flanking with his bows to deal bleed is not skilled? do you think activating the spirits at the right moment is braindead? i really wanna know truth. thank you.

infantrydiv.1620:

Valentin.2073:

you play a necro, right? do you think necros are more balanced? do you think dealing multiple conditions are ok? i really wanna know. thank you.

Let’s see:

1. Necros are weak to power attacks/burst. They have no access to protection. They also cannot spam evades or disengage with swiftness. They also have no passive healing, making them the easiest target in any midfight to focus down.

2. A condition necro has no power burst damage. Frost spirit can hit 6-7k damage, pet can also deal substantial damage especially in 1v1s

3. Necro doesn’t have evade spam (sword 2,3, dagger 4, shortbow 3) /ridiculous traits like Natural vigor

4. Try spamming 1 on necro and see how many 1v1s you win.

5. Necro cannot self res, they also don’t bring massive team utility ( Sun Spirit is like Dhuumfire for your whole team).

6. Necro has an easily interrupted heal and it’s other condition transfers (dagger 4, staff 4) are ACTIVE. Not passive like spirit ranger removal to pet.

7. Check the number of necros on top teams vs the number of spirit rangers on top teams.

As a side note, ranger is my 3rd most played class after thief/necromancer. It’s what I started the game on and I’ve played ~150 tournaments on it. I don’t have anything against the class. I merely think that the carrion spirits build brings far too much to the table and is the worst offender of evade spam, passives, and AI abuse in the game currently.

thanks for the response. now that you’ve mentioned that you also play spirit ranger, do you think spirit rangers are more effective than necros, let’s say 1v1?

infantrydiv.1620:

I already told you everything you are going to hear in this thread in another thread.

Spirit ranger is the easiest class to play and be extremely effective.

Why? High protection uptime, high burning uptime, amazing team support, self res+team res two times per 180 minutes. Massive healing for your whole team (400 per second equal to an extra healing signet). Evade spam. Burst damage from storm spirit. A great heal. condition transfer to pet (purely passive and amazingly good against condition classes).

Spirit rangers are an abomination. The common carrion build which uses shortbow+ sword/dagger can win 1v1s purely by spamming 1+ using evades whenever off cooldown. To win team fights with a spirit ranger all you have to do is show up and suddenly your whole team has 400 HPS, burning and protection.

It’s ridiculous

you play a necro, right? do you think necros are more balanced? do you think dealing multiple conditions is ok? i really wanna know. thank you.

it sounds like you guys are all firm that spirit ranger take no skill to play. what makes your class better than spirit rangers?

Do you think spirit rangers will still be viable after the balance patch? Why do you think they are currently OP and facerolling? Why do they need to get nerfed?

I’m not gonna be defensive. I just wanna get all the facts. Thank you.

i dont even get why is this an issue. let them have the dolyak finisher. don’t be greedy, guys.

as a spirit ranger, thieves are kind of an easy kill most of the times. but they tend to make me nervous whenever i’m forced to 1v1 them. you’ll never know when and how they will attack you from their stealth. lol

i can understand how you feel, fortus. when i was new in pvp, i thought thieves are the most OP thing ever. once you gain experience playing you will think otherwise. you just need to face them and fight. running away from thieves make you a free kill for them.

btw, thieves don’t last long in team fights and they aren’t that hard to deal with 1v1. i can definitely say guardians have better sustain.

as a ranger I usually just use knockback and deal dps on them after. works almost all the time. thieves are not that hard to beat but there are still some few exceptionally skilled.

the reason bunker builds exist is because of high damage backstab from stealthy thieves. try to make your build a bit tankier.

i’m done with this thread. this nerf surely made a lot of rangers unhappy. anet should had nerfed spirit rangers to oblivion if that’s what everyone was complaining about. one class gets a viable build and they just take it away like that. rangers are bad in pve not even considered useful in wvw. pvp is the only place that we feel we can be useful but no, we can’t have anything at all. zero. totally fair and just.

Coulter.2315:

I still think burning procs should be changed into a crit then buff situation. You crit which activates the buff which says “your next attack causes burning” this allows the other person to dodge and puts importance on landing your next attack. It will distinguish good players from players who happen to hit 1 auto attack every 10secs. It stops it being faceroll damage that is unavoidable (unless the enemy never hits you – and not everyone has feline grace <- btw why did they go for vigor over this bullkitten?)

Excited to see what comes out of the new meta, but definitely going in the right direction – reductions on damage and branching out to the sides.

you don’t get crits when you’re a spirit ranger, dude. we dont trait for crits. we trait for vitality, toughness, power and condition damage. it looks like you don’t have any idea about the spirit build. no offense meant. your suggestion is not helpful at all.

some people can be really mean toward rangers. they won’t even allow it to let our voices heard.