Guild Wars 2

The bad guys. Lol. I hope anet makes a megaserver too for noobs. I’d rather play with the bad guys who know what theyre doing than with the pve kittenes who dont know how tofight an run like headless chickens across the map.

The exit door is always open if you couldnt take the abuse anymore. This kind of posts are a waste of forum space. These people cant reallt hut you. They dont know anything about you and they cant hurt you physically. This can actually toughen you up. Dont be a rabbit, be a wolf.

borrok.9267:

Valentin.2073:

This post is priceless. Lol.

OP, man-up and stop being a crybaby. The world is full of abusive people. YOU can either start learning how to ignore them or fight back. I can be a really rude person but only when triggered, this is both in-game and irl.

I feel like it only applies to in-game for you.

Nonsense…

Wintersnight.3061:

Ario.8964:

@OP

Like I had a bunch of people raging at the group I was playing with cause we were playing all engis just to have some fun in the queue so we decided to do matches as a full turret group (none of us had been turrets previously) and after winning told the enemy teams with all the ragers “maybe you’ll have a chance to win if you don’t run such cheesy builds” or “you shouldn’t play cheese builds, they make you look bad.” then we just sat back and watched the fireworks

Effin awesome! Oh god…the rage must have burned with the fury of a thousand suns!

People love turning their brains off by playing that pathetic class. Thats why i make sure i insult every engineer i beat 1v1 on my ranger. You dont wanna get insulted after getting wrecked 1v1, stop playing engineer..

This post is priceless. Lol.

OP, man-up and stop being a crybaby. The world is full of abusive people. YOU can either start learning how to ignore them or fight back. I can be a really rude person but only when triggered, this is both in-game and irl.

1. Blast your waterfield
2. Use you elite to clear condi.
3. Drop Signet of Renewal. You need to slot for an offensive skill (burst damage).
4. Consider using axe and drop the sword. Axe allows you to stack might and it helps in kiting the engi’s turrets. Once all his crate turrets are down, engi is very vulnerable.

Bran.7425:

Johje Holan.4607:

uberkingkong.8041:

Eventually they get smart enough and not be a newb anymore and not be a person that is farmed.

Unfortunately, more likely they quit and never come back to PvP. Thus PvP never becoming a thriving, well populated game mode and never reaching its full potential.

Even if they do get through that part there is still the lobby chat that could very well drive them away. They are kind in a bind there.

I disagree. NA pvp lobby has the most interesting convos.

I dont think ranger is spammy. I play a cele spirit ranger and it’s no way as spammy as a cele engineer or a cele ele.

Let’s look back at how rangers were OP as kitten.

Anet, we’ve suffered enough. It’s already time to buff the hell out of us.

ArrDee.2573:

Dredrum.2563:

Because grouch plays Engi

Grouch is not a dev!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

you are by far the most annoying forumer here. almost everyone who are in HOTM have already blocked you.

just wanna say that.

this thread is a joke, right?

Ouroboros.5076:

I’ve always wanted to play some sort of hybrid spirit ranger, being able to put a reasonable pressure on the opponent while supporting the team and sustain a bit.

With the foreseen buff on torch, especially it’s area-denial part, it might become strong. What would you think of that hybrid LB/S+T spirit ranger ?

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fNAQNAT8fjEq0vavKOrQ0aAMhq9A0pBArk19G8BZQJPqC-TZRAwAAuAAdeCAkLDE4gA8d/BA

this is a really good build. carrion amulet has good balanced condi and power damage and this build is almost immune to condis with that huge HP pool. i am just wondering why do you prefer using Troll Unguent over Healing Spring or Heal as One?

i also wanna add this build.

Rez bot cleric bunker spirit build

Eurantien.4632:

Valentin.2073:

Thaddeus.4891:

Valentin.2073:

I was talking about a build that typical zerk rangers use in wvw. Lol. I didnt notive the op was asking about pve.

Oh lol. Then in that case you are right. I use those 3 signets, even if some ppl don’t use signet of the hunt, i can’t live without it in pvp.

Mobility is very important in pvp. That signet also gives swiftness to our pets and it only means more attacks thst our pets can land.

Do you really need your pet to move faster when it has permanent swiftness while you are in lb with hunter’s shot?

yeah. i wont mind that my pet is getting more swiftness. there’s a huge difference in dps when your pet is very mobile. i use cats and i want all their attacks to land.

BlackBeard.2873:

Valentin.2073:

Just kittening nerf the hell out of eles and engis and eveyone would be happy. Serously, they should have not let the meta stay stale and dry like that in a kitten long period of time. Not everyone wants to play those two professions. Balance should be done more frequently but if they cant do it then there .should be huge changes not just some minor shavings.

This is 100% wrong, and causes people to leave the game. After the first summer the game was out, ANet stuck a stake through the heart of eles and made them largely unplayable for over a year. Most of those eles left the game and didn’t come back. It was also really unfun as an ele player for people to tell you how trash your class is and to pls play anything else.

Drastic over-reaction also led to things like the condi meta, the hambow meta, and the bunker meta which were universally loathed. At this points, even the “best specs” (cele ele, engie, shoutbow, condi necro) are just VERY slightly better than the next level of specs. At MOST levels of play, your skill determines the outcome when fighting these classes. Giving a small shave to these top-tier specs while gradually buffing the garbage evens the playing field even more and leads to more diversity overall.

The only thing they are being very slow with is buffing the garbage.

Stop defending your class. Ranger and necro got nerfed after months of qq but ele and engi stayed on top of the meta for than year. We would love to see those 2 to take a hugeleap down and let other classes replace then. You are just saying those thing becaise you are a powee creep. Its people like who ruin the game.

Just kittening nerf the hell out of eles and engis and eveyone would be happy. Serously, they should have not let the meta stay stale and dry like that in a kitten long period of time. Not everyone wants to play those two professions. Balance should be done more frequently but if they cant do it then there .should be huge changes not just some minor shavings.

Thaddeus.4891:

Valentin.2073:

I was talking about a build that typical zerk rangers use in wvw. Lol. I didnt notive the op was asking about pve.

Oh lol. Then in that case you are right. I use those 3 signets, even if some ppl don’t use signet of the hunt, i can’t live without it in pvp.

Mobility is very important in pvp. That signet also gives swiftness to our pets and it only means more attacks thst our pets can land.

Lol……….

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Thaddeus.4891:

Jim Hunter.6821:

I’m confused about your sigil of frailty recommendation. Vulnerability upkeep is already so high for ranger and if you are running with other people it’s almost always maxed out. I mean for the weapons the op is asking about you can hit 25 stacks on your own. On what weapon and in what game mode do you recommend using it over something else?

You can reach 20 stack of vulnerability (10 from rapide fire, 5 from opening strike, 5 from maul) a bit more depending on your pet, but that’s only a burst, you can’t keep that up. In dungeon, Longbow shouldn’t be used except for the initial burst so he should put between 15-20 vulnerability during the first 15sec of the fight, then it will drop to a constant 9-10 Vulnerability. In most pugs, 25 stack of vulnerability is not that hard to reach, but really hard to keep.
- If he pugs dungeon and do open world with Ranger runes, frailty will be the best option.
- If he do dungeon on a regular basis and do speed run he should use damage modifier sigils like force/night/undead.
- In fractal, frailty is good for pugs because most ppl can’t melee and don’t bring Skale venom, leaving the group with a lower vulnerability than the same group usually does in dungeon. Again, if he run organized group, better option are there for him.

Valentin.2073:

A typical zerker ranger would use ranger runes, sigil of air and accuracy or force. Signets of stone, hunt, and wild. Elites can be swapped between rampage as one and entangle. Possible pets are stalker, jungle spider, wolf, bird, and drakehound.

Only signet of the wild should appear on that list. Signet of the hunt is nice to have in open world, but useless in dungeon. Stone is only needed when you learn the profession. In dungeon Frost Spirit and Wild should always be there, the third should be Zephir if possible, but you can change it if you need a bit of help. Again Entangle is nice in open world, useless in dungeon.

I was talking about a build that typical zerk rangers use in wvw. Lol. I didnt notive the op was asking about pve.

A typical zerker ranger would use ranger runes, sigil of air and accuracy or force. Signets of stone, hunt, and wild. Elites can be swapped between rampage as one and entangle. Possible pets are stalker, jungle spider, wolf, bird, and drakehound.

anduriell.6280:

Unfortunately i used to play this build before swap to pewpew ranger. I kept using it after the nerfs for some time, you can see a couple of my post around asking why the spirits became so crappy. So i guess i lived the pain of thinking of me as a bunker when my foe is as experienced as me.
About the nerfs on might i wouldn’t be so sure it will help the spirits. The problem of this skills is that they are too nerfed, so much that they are not good at all. Mostly will help condi rangers, because less power = less damage. Although our pets will be crapier than ever when it comes to attack.

Cut down the CD for passive and nerf the healing/damage so it can triggers more times. Maybe even nerf the effect depnding in how many ppl is affected by the passive effect and put a limit in how many allies can be affected (same as other proffesions)
Make the spirits pemanent until killed and increase the CD in case of dead by trait another thing it would help.

As i said, most ppl players plays with pewpew ranger and that can’t be wrong.

Pew pew pew rangers are nowhere near as viable as spirit rangers. A spirit ranger eould have no problem killing a zerk ranger and it is the same as killing zer thieves and mesmers. This is only about 1v1 and when you add team utility, no decent 5 man team would choose a zerk ranger over a spirit ranger that can rez, buff, aoe heal, and fight inside a node. The reason zerk rangrrs have grown in numbers because it is simple to play. Most people eould choose playing a build that requires them to only use a few keys.

Rune of the ranger because duh… The name itself.

anduriell.6280:

Valentin.2073:

Spirit ranger is one of the tankiest builds on this game. It can compete vs a nunker guardian. The build was nerfed because of how versatile it was before. Getting it buffed again might result to more uncalled for nerfs. The build can buff the whole team and rez more than enough allies to secure victory at the first part of the game. The build is not meant to go completely undefeated but as something that can put up a good fight.

Amn, that’s why our class is in the meta.
Come on, stop already all this. If you play ranger you know this class only works sometines as support class if you are very experienced player, you can’t kill a guardian unless your are very skilled payer and the guardian is a noob.

With the last buff in LB is true that now we can get notice because we do some noticeable damage from 1500 but that’s not like you are going to take out a guardian, warrior or anything else except a necro for that matters. So the only use as a ranger in PVP or WvW is to kitten enemies from afar so the rest of the players have it easier when it comes the real battle.

This class has not sustain. Does not have real DPS. Pets are a liavility for everyone no only yourself. Has no ultilies or group support.

I like ranger because of the mechanics, you have to use your very few good skills in a very smart way or even in PVE you are going to have a hard time. But that doesn’t mean the class is playable means i like to suffer.

A spirit ranger should havr no problems killing a bunker guardian. I dont think you have even played this build yourself. This build is one of the best duel builds on this game. People were jyst toi disappointed when anet nerfed it that they completely fogot its true potential.

With the upcoming nerfs to might, eles, and engi, i believe this would come out as one of the top builds in this game.

anduriell.6280:

We agree power/condi ranger is much more selfish than an spirit ranger. However 35% change of firing the skill when hit is not the same as “always”.
So first spirits depend that you are in combat. Then there is the durantion: 60 secs with 30 secs cd.

Then the cooldown of the passive effects 10 secs cooldown:
Stone spirit: 3 secs protection.
Water Spirit : 800 heal.
Sun Spirit: 2 secs burnin (600 damage)
Storm spirit: 8secs swiftness.

This cooldowns with such a short effects make the spirits less than usefull.
This way you only get 6 chances and that doesn’t mean you will get all of them, most probably you will get like 4 passive effects trigers before the spirit is gone if you are lucky.

So: or they cut down the cooldowns or extend the effects but right now i think those spirits are a waste of skills space.

Spirit ranger is one of the tankiest builds on this game. It can compete vs a nunker guardian. The build was nerfed because of how versatile it was before. Getting it buffed again might result to more uncalled for nerfs. The build can buff the whole team and rez more than enough allies to secure victory at the first part of the game. The build is not meant to go completely undefeated but as something that can put up a good fight.

Awesome victory

anduriell.6280:

Although would be nice, I don’t think spirits is the way to go yet. The cooldowns with the passive effects are too long, having in mind that the buffs are to short. I think the spirits should have the cooldowns cut short for them to be actually usefull.

I disagree. 10 sec cd is not to short for a 4 sec protection. This spec is cimpletely balanced compared to other builds. Buffing this build would make it completely overpowered. Thats not the way to go. The better option would ne to shave other classes’ op builds.

Nobody can argue that a spirit ranger has morr uses than othet ranger build. It can wreck any power ranger and condi survival build is too selfish to consider it over a soirit ranger.

jcbroe.4329:

Valentin,

Since I know you have been selling Storm Spirit to people, let me add to your arguments you’ve been using for it since I feel like you left a crucial piece of info out of running Storm Spirit (or I’ve just always overlooked it and not mentioned it).

The passive proc plays “nicely” with 5+ points in Nature Magic and gives you and your pet a permanent (for all purposes) 5% damage bonus, on top of its AoE spike.

Just thought it was relevant. I personally always look at it and go “meh” to the passive until I remember all of the different bells and whistles.

Bountiful Hunter is a good bonus and storm spirit also procs swiftness that means more pet attacks to land. Before I started using traveler runes, i used signet of the hunt for my own and my pet’s mobility. Traveler runes is really good for cele spirit build because it makes it not only a team fighter and point-defender but also a really good roamer. It also helps the purpose of the build on being a team rezzer. You would have enough mobility to rez your team mates before they get stomped.

Domino.1359:

Personal preference I suppose.
Edited: never thought of trying storm spirit after the nerf back when but it’s actually still useful as hell. Tried a few matches. Still miss the invuln imo.

i think if you replace stone spirit with signet of stone, the difference is not that much. stone signet gives you added toughness as passive and invulnerability through its active. If you wanna play more of a supportive role, stone spirit would be a better option but if you wanna play more of a node-defender then stone signet is better.

Domino.1359:

It’s still very viable now and will most definitely be more wanted later.

I’ve been running a build similar to your first. The Celestial one. Shortbow synergies well. I recommend utilizing energy sigil on both weapon sets for a more defensive tactic. Im at school and didn’t look in depth at the build. Sorry in advance.
Also, maybe think of dropping one spirit for signet of stone. It has saved me so many times coupled with our many evasive weapons. You’ll outlast a lot longer.

The option would be to drop stone spirit for signet of stone and probably drop primal reflexes for signet mastery. Storm and sun spirits have too much use to not consider using them. Storm spirit brings aoe burst and sun has aoe blind that helps in securing stomps.

Aenia Shadowforce.9148:

It might be only my personal taste, But I think I would swap sigils on shortbowfor cele build. I like having some kind of defensive setup, the “oh kitten” weapon, so I would go for energy.

i think that’s pretty cool. might will be nerfed anyway, so i guess investing into stacking it would be pointless. i like using cele because of the balanced stats that it offers and not because of the might stacking.

With the upcoming nerfs to eles, engis, and might, there will be a huge possibility that we can start playing support roles again in pvp. I have prepared some builds that would hugely benefit from our future weapon buffs. Suggestions are welcome.

Celestial axe/warhorn spirit build

Heavy condi sword/torch spirit build

We all know how easy it is to play warrior. That is not something you should be really proud of.

Adrenaline nerf is needed. Why the heck would warrior get a cleanse when his attck misses? This is like saying that a necro should get LF out of nothing. Rangers dont just need a bug fix. This class has been at the vry bottom of the meta for more than a year. Giving mesmer condi cleanse equal to the number of clones they have up is just idiotic. No need to elaborate about that.

Lame and biased

Meta is getting stale and boring. Probably time to buy that fancy ps4 and ditch this lame mmorpg.

Terrahero.9358:

How can anyone take these devs serious?

•Deception: This downed-state skill no longer requires a target in order to cast. ? Dev note: This will allow for mesmers to better use their survival skill when facing an opponent using stealth.

They are buffing one of the best downed states in the game already, while leaving the professions with much weaker downed states in the cold. And the reason!? “Mesmers had trouble dealing with stealth stomping while downed”. Yeah, just like the Warrior, Engineer, Necro and Ranger, who all have an objectively worst Avoidance as it is.

Downed state has been unbalanced since forever, but hey lets buff one of the best right? And these are the people responsible for balance changes. Embarrassing.
No wonder the balance patch’s in this game suck and they can’t handle separating balance changes for different game modes. Unless of course it might harm and inconvenience pvp, then suddenly we can isolate changes to specific gamemodes.

As if this will have huge effect in pvp. I assure you, you wouldn’t run out of targets when you are downed.

But, i gotta agree this upcoming balance patch is crap. Ele ang engi need a direct nerf not just a nerf to a kitten sigil. Lame.

I use a combination of dire and rabid stats on my rangers with traveler runes in wvw. My win rate vs mesmers and thives is very high probably 80%. Maybe i am just good on my ranger (have been a ranger main in pvp for 2 years now) or it’s possible that my build is very solid.

Really excited about the warhorn changes. This will.make rangers compete as water field healers with other classes.

Easiest you can kill using condi traps would be thieves and the hardes would be other rangers.

Faceroll class warrior got buffed. Engi needs more nerf than that aand why the heck would they give more cc’s to this class?

I love the changes to the ranger’s warhorn but it’s not enough to bring ranger’s supportive roles back to the meta.

Ele and engi should have been nerfed to the ground. These two classes have dominated the meta for a really long time and other classes are itching to get their positions far too long as well.

Always the necro. Everybody knows that. Necro has to die first all the time.

This post doesnt make sense. Meta doesnt revolve around two classes. For one reason,mesmers and thieves are the worst class to syack in a team so i dont think people would focus their time dealing with them.

I never struggled vs mesmers and thieves. As a condi ranger, they are the easiest to kill. A pu mesmer would be a lot easier considering how effective i can cleanse condis and how ican burst aoe’s on them using my spirit active skills. I wouldnt choose any class to roam with as long as they realky understand how to play their class.

msalakka.4653:

Valentin.2073:

I main a rangfer and thieves are the least of my concern. I suggest investing on your armor.

Yeah but your pew pew channels into the Thief even if he stealths. The rest of us have to be able to see him to deal damage. As far as armor, I wear full ascended armor and trinkets and still take close to 7k per Backstab alone. That’s a third of my health pool in one hit, and followed by whip this whip that, Heartseeker, all within a second or two. Stealth itself isn’t the problem, it’s the completely ridiculous damage that goes with it.

i did mention that i play a heavy condition build so that means I don’t use a longbow. i use axe+warhorn and shortbow.

what set are you running? berserker, soldier, celestial, settler, or rabid? wvw is not the same as pve. thief is only scary when you are fighting them as a beginner but as you learn stuff to deal with them, you’d be laughing about that post that you just made.

btw, why would you let a thief land a backstab on you? once, a thief stealths maximum time that he can stay there is 4-5 seconds unless he used shadow refuge. just count 1 and 2, and prepare to dodge or block and if you have access to an aoe burst, drop it on your feet. always look at your back when you are roaming alone. if you see a thief following you, you can either prepare to go defensive or try to nuke him down first.

i am sure a lot of wvw players on your server can give you a lot more tips on handling zerker thieves.

Leave thieves alone. Seriously. I main a rangfer and thieves are the least of my concern. I suggest investing on your armor. Most thieves will not waste time fighting somebody they cannot kill within seconds. I’ve killed a lot of thieves and mesmers on my ranger thati just leave them alone now. I run a condition heavy build that i know perfectly well that it is cheese. You can find a lot of builds online that can easily shut down a zerker thief.

jcbroe.4329:

Valentin.2073:

i would still consider using Storm Spirit. I know it was nerfed last April 2014 but the burst damage is still ok. It can hit 2-3k non-crit and crit up to 3-3.9k. Mediocre burst is still better than none. A spirit ranger build has many ways to clear condi (pet and HS), so i don’t see the point of using Signet of Renewal. Just my y observation.

Signet of Renewal is mostly chosen for its versatility over something like Lightning Reflexes, which I would consider as the next best in slot option for the goal of the playstyle. SoR is both a break and a clear, and a passive clear, giving it multiple benefits that imo fit how I play better than LR, since I don’t believe myself to use LR “liberally” enough to warrant it as the superior slot option.

As for the storm spirit suggestion, I wouldn’t run triple spirits as I prefer to have an active stun break, and I actually would drop stone for storm if I was going to be dueling more often.

The way I tend to play spirits however could be considered in basic terms to be an “autoattack turret.” I don’t find myself getting close enough to the fight to be able to take advantage of the storm spirit nearly as much as I would want to. The AoE in the current meta tends to rip through spirits and I tend to like to abuse their passives at 900 range and constantly harass the enemy and while providing passive support for my team.

If I were to shift the focus of myself playing the build, then yes, I actually do run storm/sun on a build like that. But I’ve found myself at that point to just prefer what the condi-survival can do in that situation to even running spirits.

Of course, not to say that running triple spirits or anything is suboptimal. I’m just trying to further explain my playstyle choices, but I absolute recognize your comments as valid and hope that people reading will see them and take them as potential options to suit how they play.

Edit: I’ve playtested using Storm Spirit again for quite a large chunk of time and every single time taking it over stone spirit in my initial build seems to be my more effective and preferred option. I appreciate you reminding and inspiring me to give it a go again, and I will update the OP to reflect the changes made.

yes, most of the times, you’d get protection from stone spirit when you least need it. pirates runes are very useful in 1v1 scenarios. i think i saw a ranger in a dueling arena using that build, who was almost unbeatable. although, i think that traveler runes would be a great alternative to give the build a speed boost. if the ranger is using axe+warhorn, his boons (fury, might, swiftness, and protection) would hugely benefit from the runes. axe maybe a little tricky to master but the might stacking from Ricochet can be useful on a Celestial build.

i would still consider using Storm Spirit. I know it was nerfed last April 2014 but the burst damage is still ok. It can hit 2-3k non-crit and crit up to 3-3.9k. Mediocre burst is still better than none. A spirit ranger build has many ways to clear condi (pet and HS), so i don’t see the point of using Signet of Renewal. Just my y observation.

the secret is to stop playing and then play again after a couple of hours. don’t get worked up about a video game.

shadowpass.4236:

Valentin, wrong link mate.

That’s a vid of a male pole dancer lol.

must be a bug. i cant find the actual video anymore. the owner must have deleted it.

this is the link but it’s no longer available: http://youtu.be/-HiYUlhsO_M

just a video of a zerk double bow ranger vs an engi (pre-buff).