Guild Wars 2

Pavel.8531:

Valentin.2073:

do you really need to keybind skills to be a decent player? is it requirement for a pvp and wvw player? O.o

facepalm

Pretty much you asked here “do I really need to be able to react 0.5s faster to be a better player than now”. Awkward… But no, it’s not a requirement, you can be as awful as you wish, there are plenty like you in wvw from what I’ve seen.

And someone please close/delete this… it’s ran its course long enough.

dude, i was maximizing my quickening zephyr speedness to burstdown the engie before he heals himself again. he was a bunker type and he could heal himself to full health. you clearly dont know how to play a zerker ranger. so what if i used my keyboard to turn my view, there’s really no need to turn that fast because i could anticipate where he was standing. a good player can still play on any circumstances.

do you really need to keybind skills to be a decent player? is it requirement for a pvp and wvw player? O.o

JakobGW.5730:

Valentin.2073:

forgive me if i’m not a complete video geek like you.

btw, it’s not just me who’s asking for it. there are more people who wanted to get that broken class fixed.

The point he is trying to make is that you are calling for nerfs to a class that you don’t play, all while not even understanding or taking the time to learn even the simplest of in-game mechanics such as binding keys to increase your in-game reaction time and overall PvP performance.

No need for name calling.

im doing ok without binding my keys and i’m ok using my laptop. if only i can get this game for playstation that would be nice. this is the only game i play on my laptop. other games i have are on ps3 and vita.

SilverWF.4789:

Valentin.2073:

wow! these thieves are really nice and humble. i’m using a laptop and a regular mouse to play this game. i dont know how to bind my skills, use a macro or what a gaming mouse looks like. since you think you are a really good player, im sure it wouldnt be hard for you to play a zerker ranger, find a bunker engi at duelling arena and fight him 1v1. tell us what happened after the fight or better yet post a video too. thank you.

So why you think you can decide what they need to nerf? You even didn’t know how to bind skills!

forgive me if i’m not a complete video game geek, man.
btw, it’s not just me who’s asking for it. there are more people who wanted to get that broken class fixed.

Azukas.1426:

Karolis.4261:

Haro.6758:

Allow rangers to perma stow pets in wvw and get a +20% dmg buff.

Fixed.

Send me gems anet, thx.

Or teach Valentin how to keybinds his stuff and use wasd+mouse instead of keyboard turning?

I watched that video in your sig and wonder just how much do Rangers REALLY need

i dont need to keybind my skills to beat the heck out of you. just pm me ig so we can get this settled already.

Azukas.1426:

So not only do you employ the above stated bad habits but you also play with game limiting hardware. You’re not helping your case here.

please stop with the witch hunt

just play a zerker ranger already both in pvp and wvw and compare if it’s easier to play as a zerker thief.

Azukas.1426:

Valentin.2073:

Azukas.1426:

Valentin.2073:

i finally was able to download a screen recorder. yay!

this was me playing a zerker ranger fighting a asuran engi. i’d make a video too of me fighting a thief 1v1 in wvw as soon as i got the chance, pve thief

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HiYUlhsO_M

Did you just post a video of you clicking, banging your 1-5 keys, and keyboard turning in a thread you created complaining about thieves in WvW????

Thieves are fine in all aspects of the game and in truth are UP in many facets of the game.

do you even know how strong an engi is 1v1? lol. try play a zerker ranger and fight an engi and lets see how well you fare.

btw, thief is not UP. thief is the only class that can use a power build and still have high survivability and insane damage.

This thread’s and your credibility was smashed when you posted that video.

The fact you beat all thieves while not binding your skills, clicking your skills, face rolling your 1-5 buttons, keyboard turning, and overall just using very poor player habits destroys what ever point you think you are making. I can understand you’re beef with thieves after watching that video though.

Also the only point you’ve made is that maybe anet should stop listening to rangers saying they are UP.

wow! these thieves are really nice and humble. i’m using a laptop and a regular mouse to play this game. i dont know how to bind my skills, use a macro or what a gaming mouse looks like. since you think you are a really good player, im sure it wouldnt be hard for you to play a zerker ranger, find a bunker engi at duelling arena and fight him 1v1. tell us what happened after the fight or better yet post a video too. thank you.

Frigid.6027:

Straegen.2938:

Frigid.6027:

I play 10 30 0 0 30 and get accused of permastealth. People in WvW just see a thief go stealth and come crying on the forums when they die.

There is truth in that a lot of players lose a few times to a thief and cry about it. However, there is also truth in the frustration players feel about getting popped from stealth then see the attacker dodge a couple times or blink away into safety.

There is no hard counter to well played D/P and most thieves know it. Putting a blind/blink, blind field, daze, stealth and a big damager on the same weapon set particularly on a weapon set that can burst skills is too much. The problem becomes compounded when 2+ thieves are in the mix since they can share each others Blinding Powder.

What people need to understand is, most thieves don’t want to play that way but are kind of forced to. We have very few other options. If they nerf d/p and give us no sort of survivability in exchange, the next topic will be OMG THIEF D/D OP. D/D Hits harder, faster and a beserker ranger not paying attention will die even faster.

To the OP, most thieves don’t even run full zerker anymore in wvw. WvW allows you to grab some vit/toughness on your gear without sacrificing much damage. You should probably give that a shot. Based on your video (longbow full zerker ranger is pretty much a free kill for any roamer who isnt a fresh 80) you are going to have a bad time. Try looking up some WvW ranger roaming videos. See the builds they run and try to adapt.

learn to adapt? i can play all ranger builds you can think of, man. pls stop using l2p as your defense in running a braindead build.

Sergiu.3698:

When i play wvw with my thief, im coming with stealth and play with that.
No u cant win all fights , but even with my stealths i remember i have met 2 skilled rangers so far.Took me about 5 mins of fighting solo with 1 , and the other 1 wich wooped my kitten a couple of times till i kinda figured how and when to take him down, as he had a lot of toughness and by the time i would get to him he would simply knock me back .Its not that i couldnt beat him , its pretty simple he wasnt running zerker in wvw and his toughness would pressure would outrun mine.I can assure that he did a lot of damage , as he managed to get half my life before i even managed to backstab him once.
U should stop complaining about stealth and learn your profession better, or maybe play with the thief for a bit so u know how to take it down and where he is gonna smack you.Besides that u got a bow with 1200 range and u complain about stealth when u cant even use your skills properly, use other weps also and u gonna be amazed by what u can do.
So an advice for rangers, u aint LEGOLAS to kill orcs by 1 shot.

lol! another thief telling rangers to l2p. these people actually believe they are all playing a hard spec. as a zerker ranger, i cant afford to make a mistake killing anyone. a thief can always mess up, hide in stealth and reset the fight. which do you think requires more skills to play? a zerker ranger or a zerker thief?

is wvw all about playing metabuilds? thieves on this thread are all asking me to change my build to l2p? it’s not even l2p, it’s more like learn to use a viable build. seriously, once i see a thief roaming alone in wvw i’m gonna kill him and post another video here. thieves are my favorite prey both in pvp and wvw. these thieves got used to beating too many bad rangers already.

Azukas.1426:

Valentin.2073:

i finally was able to download a screen recorder. yay!

this was me playing a zerker ranger fighting a asuran engi. i’d make a video too of me fighting a thief 1v1 in wvw as soon as i got the chance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HiYUlhsO_M

Did you just post a video of you clicking, banging your 1-5 keys, and keyboard turning in a thread you created complaining about thieves in WvW????

Thieves are fine in all aspects of the game and in truth are UP in many facets of the game.

do you even know how strong an engi is 1v1? lol. try play a zerker ranger and fight an engi and lets see how well you fare.

btw, thief is not UP. thief is the only class that can use a power build and still have high survivability and insane damage.

i finally was able to download a screen recorder. yay!

this was me playing a zerker ranger fighting a asuran engi. i’d make a video too of me fighting a thief 1v1 in wvw as soon as i got the chance.

Viking Jorun.5413:

Valentin.2073:

Viking Jorun.5413:

Valentin.2073:

i’m really happy that this thread has become an eye-opener to the wvw community. these players have been abusing stealth far too long. they all know that but they refuse to admit it because they don’t like playing fair. i just hope that the dev’s will do something about this issue. it is clearly ruining the fun of a lot of people in wvw.

It’s nothing new. People have been complaining about stealth since beta. Learn to play. Trust me, you’ll find stealth thieves very easy to beat. I had trouble with them until I played one, now I know exactly what a thief is going to do when he goes into stealth and where he’ll be at exact moments in the fight.

dude, i can beat them both in pvp and wvw using all types of builds that a ranger can use. ranger is my main class and i know how to play him really well. i can play ele, necro, warrior, ranger, necro, mesmer and thief in pvp. i know that a thief can spam stealth using black powder + hearseeker. most thieves i see in wvw don’t even know how to time their elite skill because they are so absorbed in spamming stealths. thief is an easy class and everybody knows that. it is a class that you dont even need to study to learn its mechanics. please try playing a zerker ele, ranger, guardian or mesmer and compare their survivability to a zerker thief.

Please stop assuming one popular, easy to play build = the whole class. Not everyone plays the thief like that, and you overgeneralize too much in assuming that every thief is absorbed in keeping stealth up — any decent thief isn’t. I myself run a no-stealth mobility chasing and lockdown build, which doesn’t just do it’s job description. I can take on multiple opponents and best them relatively regularly without the crutch of stealth, and still get called a no-skill thief, when in reality the thief and elementalist are the only two classes which actually regularly utilize their combo fields and finishers mid-combat, to maximize the efficiency of their gameplay and beat multiple opponents. If you’re wasting your time with a bad perma stealthing thief who keeps running whenever their shank fails, leave it. They aren’t worth the effort.

Really though: don’t assume that every thief is bad. That’s insulting to players who actually do show skill in the class but are written off because of the majority.

i didnt mean to generalize and it was my fault. i should have been more specific. i was just talking about p/d braindead thieves.

Frigid.6027:

Permastealth is possible by using utilities. ANET has already said they are fine with thieves being able to stealth for long periods of time, as long as they use utilities to do this. You can no longer just 5>2>2>2>2 over and over. To permastealth now you have to give up utilities (most run stunbreaks these days, so they are now easier to kill because of cc’s)

If a thief is actually perma stealthing, he is doing no damage to anyone. If you are getting hit, he is not permastealthing.

You are playing a Zerker Ranger. If you cant apply enough pressure between his reveal time and restealthing, rethink your build/gear. There are ranger builds out there that can very easily deal with a thief hitting for high numbers everyone seems to complain about.

Thieves are at the bottom of the list in WvW. Yes we can scout, kill yaks, flip camps as good as everyone else, but outside that whats so amazing about them? If you are in WvW looking for 1v1s, you should expect to encounter a thief more often than any other profession. Keep playing, you will quickly learn that 95% of thieves are extremely predictable.

idk why you people keep defending how broken stealth is in wvw. if you are so good in your profession, i’m sure a little nerf wont hurt you that much. black powder + heartseeker stealth just has to go away.

Viking Jorun.5413:

Valentin.2073:

i’m really happy that this thread has become an eye-opener to the wvw community. these players have been abusing stealth far too long. they all know that but they refuse to admit it because they don’t like playing fair. i just hope that the dev’s will do something about this issue. it is clearly ruining the fun of a lot of people in wvw.

It’s nothing new. People have been complaining about stealth since beta. Learn to play. Trust me, you’ll find stealth thieves very easy to beat. I had trouble with them until I played one, now I know exactly what a thief is going to do when he goes into stealth and where he’ll be at exact moments in the fight.

dude, i can beat them both in pvp and wvw using all types of builds that a ranger can use. ranger is my main class and i know how to play him really well. i can play ele, necro, warrior, ranger, necro, mesmer and thief in pvp. i know that a thief can spam stealth using black powder + hearseeker. most thieves i see in wvw don’t even know how to time their elite skill because they are so absorbed in spamming stealths. thief is an easy class and everybody knows that. it is a class that you dont even need to study to learn its mechanics. please try playing a zerker ele, ranger, guardian or mesmer and compare their survivability to a zerker thief.

i’m really happy that this thread has become an eye-opener to the wvw community. these players have been abusing stealth far too long. they all know that but they refuse to admit it because they don’t like playing fair. i just hope that the dev’s will do something about this issue. it is clearly ruining the fun of a lot of people in wvw.

lol… its funny how these thieves telling me to l2p. a thief telling a ranger to l2p and i’m a CHAMPION HUNTER. i might have spent more time killing other players than most of these pve thieves.

as a zerker ranger, i need to time my skills to get a thief dead while a thief doesnt even need to use his brain to get out of the fight and come back after he restored his health and his utilities off cd.

mrmadhaze.8706:

Valentin.2073:

i don’t like it when i see a thief surviving a 1v3 fight.

So you should not like it when happens with other classes aswell, but the scapegoat thief is always cool. Maybe that thief was better then other 3 ppl, maybe better than you. Ah no right, you can kill every thief even if you are still crying here

As always the problem is the lootbag, the+1. not the balance.
Luckily tpvpers are the best player in the best balanced game… :P

you people still dont get it, do you?? or you just refuse to understand? black powder + hs combo should not get a thief a free stealth each time he executes it. if you think you are a good player running such a cheese build you are only fooling yourself.

pls try playing a different class, use a zerker build and compare the difference. thank you.

Carpboy.7145:

Valentin.2073:

Cynz.9437:

so basically you chose a build that is not optimal for wvw and asks for nerfs for class that is only good at roaming….

not only that, you admit that you wiped the floor with that thief because they didn’t use stealth… doesn’t it prove how kittenty the class is w/o stealth

i don’t like it when i see a thief surviving a 1v3 fight.

That has absolutely nothing to do with the thieves. People in WvW are sooo bad compared to tpvp

that might be true but i havent seen any other class be able to pull off such a stunt. i can understand winning 1v2, 2v3, 3v4 and so on. when i was still playing pvp i was able to beat two warriors using my spirit ranger but they were both rank 1. they were both my guildies and i was just training them how to play in spvp. but someone to be able to pull off a 1v3 fight and come out as a victor is not normal. a bunker will be able to bunk 3 people attacking him but he will eventually die if his teammates didnt come on time to even the number.

a d/p thief has too much stealth that he can kite his enemies one by one. it’s not normal when you see a player using a zerker amulet and get utilities to survive an outnumbered match. other class needs to sacrifice damage for survivability or if they wanted to get survivability then they would have to sacrifice their damage instead. this is not something that you will find from a thief that abuses stealth. he gets great damage, crit and survivability. that’s just not fair.

Cynz.9437:

so basically you chose a build that is not optimal for wvw and asks for nerfs for class that is only good at roaming….

not only that, you admit that you wiped the floor with that thief because they didn’t use stealth… doesn’t it prove how kittenty the class is w/o stealth

i don’t like it when i see a thief surviving a 1v3 fight. it doesnt feel right. you play tpvp too, right? do you see that happen there? no. i only get to see that in wvw because most thieves here abuse stealth.

you have many options to still be viable. d/d setup is not that bad but those d/p thieves just prefer to take the easy way.

frans.8092:

Valentin.2073:

frans.8092:

Valentin.2073:

… when they fight me, they would always stay to fight to the death but when i see them fight somebody else, what they do is they will use black powder+hs 2×...

Just curious, how did you know it’s the same player?

he kept coming back to the same spot where i was standing. i think he really wanted vengeance and redeem himself from getting butt-kicked by a zerker ranger and i wasnt that rude not to provide him a lesson.

But was it the same guy that fought the group you mentioned? It seems odd that’d be less cautious against someone who’d beaten him before then against an unknwon group.

Then again, you might also have presented an opportunity to learn something new.

no. im sorry if i confused you. i was talking about a legit 1v1 fight. i had a duel last night with a thief while i was building AC’s and ballista’s on our tower. he didn’t try to stealth away because he thought he could kill me instantly but i just made him wipe the floor 3×. i should have made a video but i dont know how. lol

i’m both a ransacker and a champion hunter. i dont mean to brag but i kind of have decent knowledge in duelling. i played spirit ranger, trap ranger, BM, mantra mesmer, PU mesmer, phantasm mesmer, d/d and d/p thief, zerker ranger, condi-necro, minion necro, scepter/dagger ele and hammer bow warrior in pvp. i’ve chosen to play a zerker ranger in wvw because it’s the most fun build for me. thanks anet for giving us tomes of knowledge!!! i finally was able to make a lvl 80 ranger through glory.

as a zerker ranger, thief is not one of those professions that i would avoid facing 1v1. i just don’t like it when i see them surviving 1v3 fights. it just doesnt feel right. you dont see anything like that in spvp/tpvp at all.

frans.8092:

Valentin.2073:

… when they fight me, they would always stay to fight to the death but when i see them fight somebody else, what they do is they will use black powder+hs 2×...

Just curious, how did you know it’s the same player?

he kept coming back to the same spot where i was standing. i think he really wanted vengeance and redeem himself from getting butt-kicked by a zerker ranger and i wasnt that rude not to provide him a lesson.

frans.8092:

Valentin.2073:

there should always be a limit to everything. i think we have already established that thieves that use dagger/pistol stealth a bit too much. it’s not fun that it takes too much time trying to find a perma-stealth thief in your keep.

Maybe you should be worried about the mesmers, they can portal an army inside. And to be honest I think it’s these little tactical details that make the format interesting, searching the garrison for thieves and mesmers is more fun then zerg blasting doors and lords.

it maybe fun for you because you are a thief but it’s definitely not fun for other classes that dont have the same utilities like you do. going in and out of stealth for as many as you like is not ok in my book.

Quakeman.9378:

Valentin.2073:

frans.8092:

Valentin.2073:

its not a mechanic. it is imbalance. do you think its cool fighting someone who disappears every couple of seconds? a ranger only has 3 sec of stealth and we use that more tactically than thieves.

They don’t get protection on every dodge roll, their opponents not seeing where they are is the only damage mitigation beyond dodging. They also have damage and healing tied to stealth.

i dont see thieves like these in pvp at all and i know how to play thief in pvp. stealth in wvw from thieves is completely out of control. you cant make a mistake if you wanna kill them. no single mistake.

Something new to learn then. Afaik one can not cap or hold points while in stealth, which is why you don’t see them there. In Wvw you can try to kill the competition and then cap a point.

im sure a lot of people who arent playing as a thief have the same complaints.

They have learned.

it’s a 2 sec of protection which is almost useless and you have to trait for that heavily. you dont compare how hard it is to play a ranger to how facerolling it is to play as a thief in wvw. you just dont.

when i see a thief alone, i make sure i kill him so he could not faceroll other roamers like me. i’ve seen a thief kill 3 people. do you think that’s fair?

Going in stealth is the ONLY means of defense thieves have. You cannot expect a class that revolves around stealth to not stealth. And as far as thieves being easy goes, they’re not. I have so many horrible thieves. Thieves can be annoying yes, but so can every other class in the game. To be perfectly honest I find condition/regen rangers and condition engineers to be more of a pain than thieves. Also, I have seen eles 1 v zerg, nerf eles now too I guess?

there should always be a limit to everything. i think we have already established that thieves that use dagger/pistol stealth a bit too much. it’s not fun that it takes too much time trying to find a perma-stealth thief in your keep.

Pavel.8531:

Valentin.2073:

I just started playing wvw. I used to just play pvp before for more than half a year (snip)

You remind me of a guy(shatter mesmer), that entered wvw and asked do people 1v1 somewhere, and he was a pro PvP-er. Well guess what – WvW is so different than PvP it’s like comparing potatos to kiwis. Long story short, I found him some duelers. He lost every single duel, no matter the class he fought.
Also – zerker rangers are thieves’ food.

lol… it depends on the ranger. i killed a thief 3x in a row 1v1 from AR on my zerker ranger just a couple of minutes ago. they think they can always beat someone who is running an underpowered build. very funny.

what i am trying to point out here is that thieves i see all the time are abusing stealth like an addict. when they fight me, they would always stay to fight to the death but when i see them fight somebody else, what they do is they will use black powder+hs 2x and instantly they are safe from danger. d/p stealth combo just has to be nerfed.

thief might be the easiest class to play using a berserker amulet both in spvp and wvw. try playing a zerker ranger, ele, mesmer, necro, or guard and see how well you fare.

urieldhynne.2743:

Liza.2758:

no point to take Cynz seriously

he has been defending his permastealth for an age now

Ps : they just need to adjust to the same in spvp … nothing more than that …

i like open field in wvw more than spvp but … class balance in spvp is way better than wvw.

I dont do spvp, what is the difference in stealth there besides they cant capture or hold a point?

people who usually abuse stealth are almost useless in spvp/tpvp (PU mesmers and perma-stealth thieves). you cant afford to try kill a bunker that long by going in and out of stealth while your other teammates are getting ganked at another node.

thanks for all the feedback, guys. i hope anyone who has the power to make changes would read this thread. this mechanic abuse is ruining a lot of people’s fun in playing wvw.

Pavel.8531:

Valentin.2073:

then obviously you need more nerfing here in wvw. i cant see why you guys think it’s fun playing such a no-risk high reward poor excuse of a class.

I see where the problem is… you feel entitled to loot if you bring your buddies along and gang someone. Thieves have an easy way out of that and that makes you mad. I feel you, really, mr zerker “pro pvp” ranger. Now cry me a river.

lol. do you do that? always have someone else beside you to protect you? i wonder who’s gonna cry after you got the nerf you all deserved.

we just need more people to complain about how braindead your class is and that nerf is surely gonna happen. enjoy the lameness while you can.

Karolis.4261:

Valentin.2073:

Karolis.4261:

Valentin.2073:

i see thieves all over this thread defending their broken class. lmao

i’m sure majority of these thieves dont do spvp at all because they dont have the skill for it. they enjoy running a class in a place that wont require them to use their brains at all (wvw is the only place where they can abuse stealth).

i cant wait for these no-skill braindead players get the nerf they all deserve.

We can “abuse” stealth in spvp just the same. But it wont win the match.

then obviously you need more nerfing here in wvw. i cant see why you guys think it’s fun playing such a no-risk high reward poor excuse of a class.

How would we need more nerfing in www when stealth works just the same in spvp (Just most thiefs chose not to use it because it wont help you reach your goals there) and you consider spvp thiefs balanced as it is ? Why do you think that playing glass ranger i WwW is viable when you can totally annihilate stealth “abusing” thiefs with ranger trap build there ? Can you 1×1 any non afk class gunning viable build and 2 hands in www with a glass ranger and win (dont answer this, we all know the real answer and it is – no ). Oh and I bet you use 2x bows as your weapon set up.

trap build is not even viable in tpvp, man. lol. do you even know what you’re talking about? i’ll give you a list of professions that i can beat as a zerker ranger 1v1 in both pvp and wvw: thief, guardian, engi, ele and another ranger. i try to avoid other classes not included on the list when i’m roaming.

usually when a thief tries to duel me in wvw, he will not disengage because he thinks i’m an easy kill so i get to kill them but when it becomes a 2v1 or 3v1, they go spam their stealth a bit too much. it is very annoying.

Okaishi.8320:

It’s ironic how people argue stealth is completely OP but also say they beat thieves easily 1v1. Makes me wonder how useless thieves can become with some ‘proper’ stealth nerfs.

i didnt say i can beat thieves easily 1v1. it takes a huge amount of effort and complete focus to be able to do it, while a thief can mess up, stealth, teleport away and come back and restart the fight. pretty lame, IMO.

Karolis.4261:

Valentin.2073:

i see thieves all over this thread defending their broken class. lmao

i’m sure majority of these thieves dont do spvp at all because they dont have the skill for it. they enjoy running a class in a place that wont require them to use their brains at all (wvw is the only place where they can abuse stealth).

i cant wait for these no-skill braindead players get the nerf they all deserve.

We can “abuse” stealth in spvp just the same. But it wont win the match.

then obviously you need more nerfing here in wvw. i cant see why you guys think it’s fun playing such a no-risk high reward poor excuse of a class.

Oslaf Beinir.5842:

maybe you should consider using another class to solve this issue, power rangers and staff eles are prime targets for thieves in wvw. Use classes that can get them out of their refuge and chase a short distance. for example; mesmers with blink, focus and/or GS, Med guards with GS x/Sh, standard condi engi p/sh bomb/grenade tool kits and rocket boots. even with such choices they can and will be able to out run you if they use shadow step and shortbow if they feel too threatened and it is time to go before it is too late. The Abundance of stealth and mobility is their class’s distinctive traits and specialty and while I do not agree with the design and its major flows in the wvw scene, nerfing thieves some more in the wrong spots might take away from their only viable role in wvw and turn them into walking loot bags just like solo staff eles. that is all to it. if they decide to run and disengage consider it your win and walk away quick until devs consider adressing the issue on their own terms. Though as long as the issue in not in pvp dont expect much. until then spam aoe and stealth traps or get a build/class change.

well, so you just want these thieves to continue abusing stealth? this issue needs to be addressed. spvp gets regular balance update. anet just needs to at least take a look at how class balance is going on in wvw once in a while. a thief’s easy-mode mechanic in wvw is getting a bit too old.

frans.8092:

Valentin.2073:

it’s a 2 sec of protection which is almost useless and you have to trait for that heavily.

Stealth is almost useless unless you trait for it to heal and remove conditions. Stealth doesn’t give any protection at all, you can hit someone in stealth. Players I encounter know quite well how to deal with it.

you dont compare how hard it is to play a ranger

I play a ranger too.

when i see a thief alone, i make sure i kill him so he could not faceroll other roamers like me. i’ve seen a thief kill 3 people. do you think that’s fair?

Yes. Why not? There is a huge spread in player skill, some people kill you, some are unkillable and some just stand around and melt even when you’re on the wrong setup for roaming.

It’s great that you ‘protect’ your fellow players but there is no reason to turn thieves into free lootbags for even the most incompetent players.

i say the number of stealths that a thief can execute in wvw needs a lot of shaving. noone should be able to beat 3 or more people at the same time. you call that OP’ness. i can understand when someone wins a 1v2 battle, thats skills but when it’s 1v3 victory, that is just overpowered and lame.

Cynz.9437:

another zergling refusing to learn how to fight other class

refusing to learn? lol

i play thief in pvp and i know how the class works. i just find it absurd how no-skill a thief can be in wvw. if you think you are running a hard spec as a thief in wvw, you are only fooling yourself.

frans.8092:

Valentin.2073:

its not a mechanic. it is imbalance. do you think its cool fighting someone who disappears every couple of seconds? a ranger only has 3 sec of stealth and we use that more tactically than thieves.

They don’t get protection on every dodge roll, their opponents not seeing where they are is the only damage mitigation beyond dodging. They also have damage and healing tied to stealth.

i dont see thieves like these in pvp at all and i know how to play thief in pvp. stealth in wvw from thieves is completely out of control. you cant make a mistake if you wanna kill them. no single mistake.

Something new to learn then. Afaik one can not cap or hold points while in stealth, which is why you don’t see them there. In Wvw you can try to kill the competition and then cap a point.

im sure a lot of people who arent playing as a thief have the same complaints.

They have learned.

it’s a 2 sec of protection which is almost useless and you have to trait for that heavily. you dont compare how hard it is to play a ranger to how facerolling it is to play as a thief in wvw. you just dont.

when i see a thief alone, i make sure i kill him so he could not faceroll other roamers like me. i’ve seen a thief kill 3 people. do you think that’s fair?

RyuDragnier.9476:

Valentin.2073:

Carpboy.7145:

Valentin.2073:

its not a mechanic. it is imbalance. do you think its cool fighting someone who disappears every couple of seconds? a ranger only has 3 sec of stealth and we use that more tactically than thieves.

i killed a lot of thieves from ET 1v1. i know how to deal with them 1v1. what annoys me is their abuse of stealth. i dont see thieves like these in pvp at all and i know how to play thief in pvp. stealth in wvw from thieves is beyond normal. i dont know why anet hasnt noticed that yet.

Again, this is not spvp. Welcome to WvW. Some things are different.

so you just let class imbalance in wvw because it is not pvp?

We all agree that thieves are able to stealth a little too much in combat in WvW. None of the thief nerfs in sPvP exist in WvW, so thieves run a little more rampant here.

thanks for that confirmation. anet needs to do something about this issue. i see people get farmed by one thief in wvw and it’s not fair. i’m a champion hunter that’s why i know how to deal with them 1v1 but it still takes a huge amount of effort from me. i feel bad when i see people get farmed by one stealth spamming facerolling thief.

Carpboy.7145:

Valentin.2073:

its not a mechanic. it is imbalance. do you think its cool fighting someone who disappears every couple of seconds? a ranger only has 3 sec of stealth and we use that more tactically than thieves.

i killed a lot of thieves from ET 1v1. i know how to deal with them 1v1. what annoys me is their abuse of stealth. i dont see thieves like these in pvp at all and i know how to play thief in pvp. stealth in wvw from thieves is beyond normal. i dont know why anet hasnt noticed that yet.

Again, this is not spvp. Welcome to WvW. Some things are different.

so you just let class imbalance in wvw because it is not pvp?

its not a mechanic. it is imbalance. do you think its cool fighting someone who disappears every couple of seconds? a ranger only has 3 sec of stealth and we use that more tactically than thieves.

i killed a lot of thieves from ET 1v1. i know how to deal with them 1v1. what annoys me is their abuse of stealth. i dont see thieves like these in pvp at all and i know how to play thief in pvp. stealth in wvw from thieves is completely out of control. you cant make a mistake if you wanna kill them. no single mistake.

im sure a lot of people who arent playing as a thief have the same complaints.

Fluffball.8307:

Valentin.2073:

i never had a problem fighting thieves 1v1 on my zerker ranger in wvw. most of the times, thieves will stay to fight to the death and thats what i wanted. when they see me as a ranger they always think they can beat me. lol

it’s really a matter of who’s gonna make the most mistakes and when i duel thieves i make sure i dont make any. when i see a thief alone while i’m roaming, i see him as a free loot bag.

Agreed. Although I’m cautious around thieves and mesmers. Any other class I will hunt to the death. Mesmer is the only class I’m REALLY cautious of, but if they react poorly to an autoattack of the LB, I pounce!

i dont usually engage a fight with a mesmer because i know how powerful they are in pvp when it comes to 1v1 battles. they are pretty much OP in 1v1. but ive once beaten them in a 2v3 fight.

it happened when i was building cannons on our castle gates when i saw 2 thieves and 1 mesmer ganking on a poor ranger. so i jumped off the gate and rained barrage over those three builles. good thing the other ranger was a regen type that’s why he didnt melt that fast. we were able to kill those two thieves and the mesmer tried to run with little health but i stunned him and continued to pressure him with my shortbow and stomped him. it was probably the best battle i’ve ever fought in wvw. :P

tbh, i dont see why people think rangers are bad in pve/wvw. it might be a l2p issue.

i never had a problem fighting thieves 1v1 on my zerker ranger in wvw. most of the times, thieves will stay to fight to the death and thats what i wanted. when they see me as a ranger they always think they can beat me. lol

it’s really a matter of who’s gonna make the most mistakes and when i duel thieves i make sure i dont make any. when i see a thief alone while i’m roaming, i see him as a free loot bag.

Fluffball.8307:

Jocksy.3415:

What are your group utilities, as a zerker?
You tag enough people to say you killed enough to be useful, then you die and rallybot 5 foes…

I believe he was talking about picking off squishies and wounded like I mentioned above, while supporting the main zerg with muddy terrain, entangle, cripple and pet CC. In that case you never die to rallybot people. Just pick a target, kill it, continue, stealth and evade if necessary.

exactlly. i choose the squishiest targets 1st (eles, thieves, other rangers) and then hit enemies who have low health. once detected, i stealth and change position. rangers have so much potential anywhere. you guys just have to love your own profession.

btw, i use both bows to maximize ranger’s range prowess.

Kovu.7560:

Rangers work in wvw like ninjas work in the ongoing ninjas vs. pirates debate.
If it’s 1 ranger vs 1 somebody else, the ranger does well. However, if there are a bunch of rangers and a bunch of somebody elses, the rangers will get destroyed.

Rangers are just not great in group fights. 1v1 they’re fine, but they lack zerg utility.

~ Kovu

I disagree. I use a zerker build (just exotic armor pieces and ascended trinkets) and i make sure i kill more people from the zerg before i get killed. it’s all about positioning. it’s not that easy but with practice can still be done. btw, i played tpvp in a really long time before i tried wvw.

rangers rock!!!

excelsior.2168:

Currently trying this out after a few hotjoin matches. Found I really like LR.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fMAQNAV8fnEV0FcWQWWgaZAp9gT6PM5VYWcP8vOJETZWjIqGA-TsAg2CrIgRBjDGDMSfs+MGYdwWAA

thats really good for 1v1 but thats about it. :P if you can position really well, you can be more useful if you go full glass.

just run a spirit build. 10 0 30 30 0 with settler amulet and undead runes like most rangers do in tpvp including myself. im so bad i know. although i prefer playing my zerker ranger in hotjoins.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fMAQJATVjIVF2BWSWs2Bg1j96bQ2DDRkRXBRvYlTmA-TwAg0CnIoSRljKDVSqsbNIYRwhgHBA

this is my double bow glassy build. it’s a lot of fun playing it, IMO.

deal. just whisper me IG. i dont brag btw.

ronpierce.2760:

A bajillion McDollars

you’re no fun. ahh well, i thought you were serious.

ronpierce.2760:

Well it just got nerfed. Congrats.

it needs more nerfing.

btw, how much are you willing to wager?