Guild Wars 2

100% disagree

Depending on the map and the opposing team’s composition, I attempt to carry with Tempest, Scrapper, or Chronomancer. It’s mostly one of the latter two, though.

brannigan.9831:

You are over-exaggerating the number of pros. And the ones that exist are probably ruby and above by now easily.

I’m in Ruby Division now, but I wouldn’t exactly say easily or call myself a pro.

I would say the pros are in Diamond Division and above by now easily.

He’s not trolling. He’s intentionally throwing the game to let his friends on the other team win. ArenaNet won’t do anything but punish you instead for name-and-shame.

MadVisions.4529:

What abot removing instapoc’s from the game?
Game would be much healthyer and i wouldnt getting a stroke every half an hour from random kiddos with zero mechanical skills winning matchups due to instant cc and invuln procks.

hint: you could start with reworking nightmare runes, eye for an eye, enduring recovery and Self-Regulating Defenses.
Then, after you realise that this change was good and healthy you could follow with the rest like chill of death, panic strike, Defy pain, heavy light, last refuge, Desperate Decoy, and who knows what.

PS: for the ppl who going to cry a river about XYZ class needs that passive to succeed: find another path than relying on passive cheese kkthx.

Well memed, my friend.

Sisyphus.4237:

Celeras.4980:

They have to be DC’d for at least 2 minutes. They weren’t.

Sorry for your loss.

They were dc’d the entire game

Were they in your party?

I spent 2 days in Emerald Division getting teammates who refused to peel and couldn’t sustain in team-fights let alone win their 1v1s. It was the most frustrating experience that I’ve ever had in this game. However, after 5 separate losing streaks, the match-making suddenly decided to start giving me decent teammates I could actually count on, and now I’m getting consistent win-streaks and breezing through Sapphire Division.

Just a little bit ago, I almost lost a match thanks to another regular forum poster on this PvP forum swapping between Thief and Guardian multiple times during the match.

vulneraria.4865:

what that means? that esl player carried you to legendary in s1?
in s2 you are in team with player with your mmr.
maybe in s2 esl player have carried that thief…dunno.

what is it meaning by these?

Playing a Cleric Tempest is easy if you have teammates who actively peel.

I don’t mind the snare percentage, but the recharge percentage bothers me heavily considering how alacrity got nerfed down to 33%. There’s no balance there at all.

Loboling.5293:

logout->character select-> log back into the character of your choice

if you exit the match, and go right back in, you can be back in the game and unstuck within 10-30 seconds depending on the speed of your computer.

I’ve never spent a whole game stuck in a wall, and if I was your teamate I’d be annoyed if you didn’t just logout/in. It doesn’t take long and solves this issue.

I thought to do that this morning when I got stuck in the wall on Temple of the Silent Storm, but the game promptly told me I would get some hefty dishonor for doing so, so I promptly decided against it. I’m not going to pay for this game’s mistakes.

Brazil 1-7 Germany…

…I mean Abjured 1-3 Rank 55 Dragons.

I thought that we were supposed to report them for LFG System Abuse.

I wouldn’t mind buffs to Guardian, but not to Dragonhunter and not to its traps.

CntrlAltDefeat.1465:

3 x illusions/phantasms.
= approximately 7500-11000 HP on your damage.

Mesmer rarely only has the one clone present. These clones can track opponents in a simplistic way. They can deal damage while the player performs other functions. They mitigate damage while the player performs other functions. The clones are never centered directly on the player and are spread. You think that is not enough and they need more health. Interesting.

Such damage. Much wow.

WuGzaGenius.5684:

Aids.

philheat.3956:

And Scrapper too is a bit too much all in one.

My only caveat concerning Scrapper is its uptime of retaliation.

roamzero.9486:

I wouldn’t mind this, but mesmer projectile reflection would have to be toned down. It’s bad enough that mesmers can hide behind their clones to block ranged attacks that don’t pierce and take reflect traits at the same time.

Because everyone knows that Mesmers run a lot of reflects in PvP, right…?

Miles Smiles.8951:

Velimere.7685:

I just can’t appreciate how it requires way too much skill to counter this mostly skill-less skill. Unless you’re an Elementalist in range with Comet or a Revenant with Phase Traversal and Surge of the Mists or Temporal Rift ready to go, “Search and Rescue!” near maximum range is a basically guaranteed revive.

Steal, Judge’s Intervention, Blink, Shadow Step, Lightning Flash, Infiltrator’s Signet all can finish the job if you’re like in a mid-stomp, no?

Those skills are used regularly for various different reasons whereas “Search and Rescue!” is generally used for the purpose of reviving and downed ally. Lightning Flash is 900 range.

I just can’t appreciate how it requires way too much skill to counter this mostly skill-less skill. Unless you’re an Elementalist in range with Comet or a Revenant with Phase Traversal and Surge of the Mists or Temporal Rift ready to go, “Search and Rescue!” near maximum range is a basically guaranteed revive.

Fat Disgrace.4275:

Bless the clickers

Free kills always make me smile.

I’ve been playing around with Mercenary’s Amulet on my Tempest build.

StickerHappy.8052:

Velimere.7685:

StickerHappy.8052:

Velimere.7685:

Jourdelune.7456:

Velimere.7685:

A friend and I two-queued tonight, winning against a few notable folks such as Caed, Ostrich Eggs, and Noscoc (who was three-queuing) while playing this build (Paladin’s Amulet), but then we lost with Chaith on our team… and he called the rest of us bad.

Anyway, it’s basically a bruiser variant of the Bunker Mesmer build.

Yea, you played with Five Gadget and The Team I pug with was The First Straw.

I said to them over TS, that Velimere is the best mesmer of the two… I don’t remember your mesmer name.

We did win this game because you were not been able to kill the sustain of our group fight… and I was playing bunker support like always.

It was an okay fight, but I felt you could had gave us more difficulties. Your other mesmer soloqing was a dead weight doing nothing. Probably, it would had been harder with a necro or a rev.

Your chrono bunker with some offensive crit sigils seems something I want to try out.

Will give some feedback on it.

I don’t really keep track of character names either to be honest. No worries.

Now that I think about it, wasn’t Impact with you guys in that match too?

It felt like Chaith’s build and mine were the only ones with real sustain. It seems to be a current trend now where people think that just because there are more bruiser amulets in place of bunker amulets that sustained builds are now invalidated, and I see a lot more people over-extending from a two-cap into a three-point play trading their team’s two nodes for the one. It’s like they’re ignoring what they learned from the last meta.

I really like my updated Bruiser Mesmer build, but I also recently tested this Elementalist build (Mercenary’s Amulet) and saw great results over a streak of wins while carrying team-fights, so I’m not sure how much I’ll play my Mesmer when the next season starts.

That said, I’d still appreciate any feedback you can provide.

PS: Five Gadget is not Chaith FYI

I just assumed from the account name being Chaith. I don’t really keep track of character names as per your quote. Either way, I wasn’t talking about winning against him or anything whatsoever, so it’s completely and utterly inconsequential to say the least.

However, thanks for the heads-up.

Yeap np, I asked Chaith about who that was and he said he had no idea, otherwise you had chaith on your team, you might have won the match.

I’ve faced Five Gadget numerous times and he is definitely not Chaith, altho he/ she uses the same user id.

Alright. Thank you for the confirmation.

StickerHappy.8052:

Velimere.7685:

Jourdelune.7456:

Velimere.7685:

A friend and I two-queued tonight, winning against a few notable folks such as Caed, Ostrich Eggs, and Noscoc (who was three-queuing) while playing this build (Paladin’s Amulet), but then we lost with Chaith on our team… and he called the rest of us bad.

Anyway, it’s basically a bruiser variant of the Bunker Mesmer build.

Yea, you played with Five Gadget and The Team I pug with was The First Straw.

I said to them over TS, that Velimere is the best mesmer of the two… I don’t remember your mesmer name.

We did win this game because you were not been able to kill the sustain of our group fight… and I was playing bunker support like always.

It was an okay fight, but I felt you could had gave us more difficulties. Your other mesmer soloqing was a dead weight doing nothing. Probably, it would had been harder with a necro or a rev.

Your chrono bunker with some offensive crit sigils seems something I want to try out.

Will give some feedback on it.

I don’t really keep track of character names either to be honest. No worries.

Now that I think about it, wasn’t Impact with you guys in that match too?

It felt like Chaith’s build and mine were the only ones with real sustain. It seems to be a current trend now where people think that just because there are more bruiser amulets in place of bunker amulets that sustained builds are now invalidated, and I see a lot more people over-extending from a two-cap into a three-point play trading their team’s two nodes for the one. It’s like they’re ignoring what they learned from the last meta.

I really like my updated Bruiser Mesmer build, but I also recently tested this Elementalist build (Mercenary’s Amulet) and saw great results over a streak of wins while carrying team-fights, so I’m not sure how much I’ll play my Mesmer when the next season starts.

That said, I’d still appreciate any feedback you can provide.

PS: Five Gadget is not Chaith FYI

I just assumed from the account name being Chaith. I don’t really keep track of character names as per your quote. Either way, I wasn’t talking about winning against him or anything whatsoever, so it’s completely and utterly inconsequential to say the least.

However, thanks for the heads-up.

Jourdelune.7456:

Velimere.7685:

A friend and I two-queued tonight, winning against a few notable folks such as Caed, Ostrich Eggs, and Noscoc (who was three-queuing) while playing this build (Paladin’s Amulet), but then we lost with Chaith on our team… and he called the rest of us bad.

Anyway, it’s basically a bruiser variant of the Bunker Mesmer build.

Yea, you played with Five Gadget and The Team I pug with was The First Straw.

I said to them over TS, that Velimere is the best mesmer of the two… I don’t remember your mesmer name.

We did win this game because you were not been able to kill the sustain of our group fight… and I was playing bunker support like always.

It was an okay fight, but I felt you could had gave us more difficulties. Your other mesmer soloqing was a dead weight doing nothing. Probably, it would had been harder with a necro or a rev.

Your chrono bunker with some offensive crit sigils seems something I want to try out.

Will give some feedback on it.

I don’t really keep track of character names either to be honest. No worries.

Now that I think about it, wasn’t Impact with you guys in that match too?

It felt like Chaith’s build and mine were the only ones with real sustain. It seems to be a current trend now where people think that just because there are more bruiser amulets in place of bunker amulets that sustained builds are now invalidated, and I see a lot more people over-extending from a two-cap into a three-point play trading their team’s two nodes for the one. It’s like they’re ignoring what they learned from the last meta.

I really like my updated Bruiser Mesmer build, but I also recently tested this Elementalist build (Mercenary’s Amulet) and saw great results over a streak of wins while carrying team-fights, so I’m not sure how much I’ll play my Mesmer when the next season starts.

That said, I’d still appreciate any feedback you can provide.

Shala.8352:

Velimere.7685:

roamzero.9486:

On one hand Reaper probably needs to be tone down (chill damage), on the other hand it’s pretty sad that it’s the only viable pure condi build. Has there ever even been a condi meta? Or at least one not involving Necro?

The last condi meta was the Dhuumfire meta, so not one not involving Necro.

Well it depends much on what you consider as a condi meta. To me for example, condi have been meta since the 26 january patch. I mean, if you consider the usage of carrion amulet as a definition of condi meta, then you are probably right. But if you consider the total impact condi are actualy having in a match (and i m not talking only about those condition dealing damage) you will have to admit that we actualy ARE in a condi meta, meaning that everything is build around the capacity of application of the condi and the capacity of remove/cleanse them. IN fact actualy running whitout a single condi cleanse is considered going yolo, even more yolo than running without any damage mitigation/immunity like endure pain. In fact, if i have to go yolo and i have to chose if i’m gonna drop endure pain or berserker stance, i will chose to drop endure pain even after the berserker stance nerf.

I understand that the “condition damage recieved” isnt higher than “damage recieved” at the end score panel (oh rlly gladly of this, the day it will be the opposite, guild wars 2 will definetely be death), but in fact the impact that condi like weakness, blind, chill, cripple, immobilize, vulnerability, slow had in the game is much much much more higher than what we are seeing in that final panel score: as an example, you are gonna be burst by a direct damage burst (lets say true shot), you see the animation, you dodge it; in an other case, you have been weakned just 5 seconds ago,ande because of that, in the same situation you see the true shot animation, you try to dodge but notice you have not enough energy… so in the score panel will result that was the direct damage that killed you, but in real it was the weakness that was applyed 5 seconds ago. Condi are having more and more impact in the game, to the point that boon and direct damage are becoming less important than how many condi you actualy have applied in your bar and how many cleanse are on cd.

But the real problem is not if we are in a boon meta, a condi meta, a zerk meta or so… the real problem is that even when we are not in a condi meta, condi gameplay promote a lazy spam gameplay, meaning you will not win because you are fast thinker, or because you are reacting/counterplaying the opponent movement or skills, but because you are fast at spamming randomly buttons, this happens because unfortunately condi are getting too much free application by traits, sigill, runes and too many skills. The reason behind pvers asking for condi buff it was that especialy pvers who are usualy casual players, understand too that playing condi is much more easy than play a glassy zerker, and because they are casual, they dont want to have to train their fast reactions, they wanna do the same damage while beeing lazy… so here we go condi get the buffs!

The real problem is that the condi are not fun… that’s the reason i created this topic, and the fact that even a power based class like warrior is forced to go condi by the direction i’m seeing on anet changing traits and redesigning berserker specialization traits, make me sad… like really really sad. I played pvp yesterday whit my guild leader, he is one of the most patient player i have meet in this game, meaning he can like keep commanding in wvw even when people are lazy or not listening; but even this didnt saved him by ragequitting at the third game we met 2 reapers on the opposite team. And is not a l2p like many people always say, he had always the TOP condi cleared stat at the end of the game, the problem is that the condi spam was so high, that the more condi he cleaned, the more condi he was getting!! To the point where it becomes more efficient try to not even waste time/slot in using cleanse skills, but just go full offensive yolo and try to kill the bunker reaper double life faster than the condi load thicking on you.

The real question is: do you guys like condi? Because if is so, then maybe i’m too different from the mass to be able to find a game that i can enjoy.

I disagree.

A friend and I two-queued tonight, winning against a few notable folks such as Caed, Ostrich Eggs, and Noscoc (who was three-queuing) while playing this build (Paladin’s Amulet), but then we lost with Chaith on our team… and he called the rest of us bad.

Anyway, it’s basically a bruiser variant of the Bunker Mesmer build.

roamzero.9486:

On one hand Reaper probably needs to be tone down (chill damage), on the other hand it’s pretty sad that it’s the only viable pure condi build. Has there ever even been a condi meta? Or at least one not involving Necro?

The last condi meta was the Dhuumfire meta, so not one not involving Necro.

The Star Trek references are nice, but this seems really off topic.

It’s a Feature™.

AlbertoUlkesh.4517:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Team-Your-Name/4614399

I’m assuming then that this is based on latency and not visible game-loading itself.

KraunK.2319:

Is it possible to maintain two games in one? I’m playing this game since beta and with the release of HoT it’s became to me impossible to play everything at medium-high competitive levels. Even if I have 4 years experience in my backpack, it’s almost impossible to play on equal fights.. Gw2 Core builds have totally different mechanics and are ridiculous underpowered compared to Gw2 HoT. I don’t really get the point why I shouldn’t be offended by such thing. Do you (arenanet) have this in account for people not interested in buy the expansion?

Terrorsquad.4802:

Velimere.7685:

Terrorsquad.4802:

Velimere.7685:

Terrorsquad.4802:

Velimere.7685:

Terrorsquad.4802:

Velimere.7685:

Terrorsquad.4802:

Velimere.7685:

Terrorsquad.4802:

Velimere.7685:

messiah.1908:

Velimere.7685:

messiah.1908:

who to kill a chronobunker?
just dont
if he alone contest a point he cant support his team. so take 1 ally to have eyes on him like rev or thief (class with good mobility) – fight 4v5 on other point if the mesmer leaves than fast decap/cap freely
also 1 person should pressure him even if he cant kill him it cant ruine his shatter or rotations. if he use wop great cant contest
if the point uncontested great for you as he cant bunker the point on his terms (but he can use more freely wop for his team)

This gave me a good laugh. Bunker Mesmers take Portal in order to protect points while matching numbers across the map or to force the other team to effectively fight 4v5 across the map instead.

Good luck doing this to a good Bunker Mesmer when he has a skill with the sole purpose of doing it to you way easier and faster instead.

than check your team dmg and sustain. as lets say thief try to decap and mesmer now fight you 4v5 mid. as long as your team burst is fast and good you will be manage to down in 3 sec anyone. now the mesmer need to think should i port back to contest or res.

as you see the problem is not with mesmer or portal. again 2/3 of bunker mesmer trait line was before HOT. only wells and chrono trait line with just alacrity came. if its make bunker mes op than it should make power mes op or condi mes op . and it doesnt!.
the problem ppl still dont learn how to rotate and focus fire fast.
when oyu had bunker guard sitting on point you just ignore it . you could see power mes with portal port him to other point and didnt complain.

all i am saying now the problem is not with mesmer. rather with other class who can do dmg and sustain and support like ele, engi and druid (little bit) while full dmg dealer cant handle them like thief, power mes, etc…
when you see more balance in the power/sustain creep you will see more diversity and less bunkering a point

From what little I can understand of your post, I’m starting to think we’re not even playing at the same level here. In the first place, I don’t even run into Thieves at high MMR diamond division where I constantly end up facing ESL premades.

I did beat Caed back when I was in sapphire division, though. That was pretty easy.

Eh, bit weird to say it was easy when you only got 10 points from a whole game. He might have farmed you the whole game and your team might’ve carried you..

I called strats that entire game as I do most of my games, and my general role is to contest far either by direct presence or via Portal plays. As per many people having to had reiterate in another thread, bunkers are generally at the bottom of the scoreboard as was the case for both of us in this particular match as well as most matches we play.

I only died once that entire game which was at the end there. Caed was on me most of it.

That particular game, they managed to get the full-cap on their home node as Caed slowed me down in crossing, so I just walked onto the point, dropped Portal Entre, and proceeded to walk up to the mid fight with him tickling me the entire way. Once we were set to win that fight, I activated Portal Exeunt to go for the decap, their Mesmer did the same to prevent it, and Caed followed through as well. I immediately took my portal back to the mid fight, waited until the last second, and then took it again right before both of our portals closed allowing me to sit uncontested on their home node getting the decap before the enemy teammates started spawning again. The rest was simply history.

Mind you, this was the second match we beat Caed that day. The first match we beat him was on Khylo, and we used the exact same strategy on that map as well for easy victory.

Your focus on personal score also suggests that you and I don’t play on the same level.

Not to burst your bubble but even afk’ing on a point would make you atleast 20-30 points depending if they’re fighting there or not.

By saying I’m someone who says “180 points means you’re better than someone with 70 points” is wrong and means you don’t get my point. I’m way beyond that level as I played support guard very long myself, being (mostly) one of the last in individual score; no matter how much conditions I cleansed or blocked for my team..

Not to burst your bubble, but Caed kept me from scoring as much as I invalidated his entire role in that match. I’d drop my Portal Entre, make my way to the team fight on the next node, drop my support on the node, and then take my Portal Exeunt back as Caed would walk onto my node in an attempt to decap me. In the end, my strategy against him gave my team an easy victory in both matches where we faced him.

I’m not quite sure why you’re attacking me here, but you’re doing a very bad job of it.

Dont get your hopes up, if I wanted to attack you, I would.
I quoted you on the fact because you said playing vs Caed was ez game while you only have 10 points.

Even if you done just support in teamfights as you said, you should atleast have more points for tagging enemies who died, in the fights you supported.

That’s where I’m getting at.

10 points is extremely low, even for support/contesting.
Maybe you dc’ed for a while and came back later and that would explain it.

I don’t have any hopes or expectations for someone who’s pathetically attempting to put me down based on pure assumption and conjecture as per his own subjective opinion about something he was never present for to begin with. That’s nothing short of idiocy.

In case you hadn’t noticed, our other bunker only scored 5 more points than me thanks to a single kill, and that’s because he was constantly having to portal back to the home node which he was safeguarding with his own placed Portal Entre. Playing Bunker Chronmancer right means you’re still generally matching numbers across the map.

Sorry, but your all but outright stated ignorance about how the current meta works speaks nothing positive about you as a learned PvP player. Holding the 2-cap is far more important than tagging enemies for kills or even getting kills to begin with. Get a clue.

Calling someone being subjective as someone who’s also making subjective posts…
Feels like Im stuck vs bunkers on forum..

Every post you seem to make on this forum period is subjective. I highly doubt you would know objectivity even were it to hit you over the head. What I stated was far more a matter of fact than it was an educated observation. What’s more, your cop-out generalized reply follows the format of someone who doesn’t have a leg left to stand on.

Cheers!

It actually means I dont want to bother to someone being as subjective as me, calling himself objective with so called “facts” we see nothing about.

We’re both being subjective here in this thread.
Also the fact you doubt that I know what “objective” means is also pure subjective and speculation.
Unless you know me in r/l but you don’t (objective statement)

Facts are facts regardless of whether or not you can see them. The fact of the matter is that you were attempting to put me down by making negative assumptions about something you know absolutely nothing about. The fact is that’s a stupid thing to do seeing as you have no ethos to stand on in assuming such.

The fact is that my other Bunker Chronomancer did, in fact, only score 5 more points than me. The fact is that playing Bunker Chronomancer properly is that you are using portal plays to generally match numbers across the map.

The fact is that holding a 2-cap in this bunker meta is more important than going around tagging enemies for kills or even getting kills to begin with.

The fact is that I stated more facts than mere speculation in the very post you wrote off.

Speculation concerning your inability to discern and apply objectivity? More like educated opinion that you force other people to have about you due to what you yourself intentionally communicate for nothing short of instigating pejorative discourse.

You kind of left out the other stuff you said which were subjective but ok.
I wont bother anymore with you, w/e floats your boat.

You left out more than I did and completely refused to qualify or justify anything you’ve stated whereas you attempted to refute by generalization of a minority of my argument (its subjectivity versus its cited facts). Either way, you have no actually substantial means to discredit my ethos let alone build your own, but I’m sure you already know that.

Terrorsquad.4802:

Bunker mesmer 100% fine and game vs Caed was ezpz. 100% objective.

These are your words and not mine minus the part about easy versus Caed. I don’t particularly enjoy this meta anymore than the next guy, but I also play to win since I’m neither a scrub nor a hipster. In fact, the other bunker and I only play Bunker Chronomancer because our other friends and acquaintances don’t want to. I would personally much rather have a DPS role, but more so than that my preference is to win.

Terrorsquad.4802:

Velimere.7685:

Terrorsquad.4802:

Velimere.7685:

Terrorsquad.4802:

Velimere.7685:

Terrorsquad.4802:

Velimere.7685:

Terrorsquad.4802:

Velimere.7685:

messiah.1908:

Velimere.7685:

messiah.1908:

who to kill a chronobunker?
just dont
if he alone contest a point he cant support his team. so take 1 ally to have eyes on him like rev or thief (class with good mobility) – fight 4v5 on other point if the mesmer leaves than fast decap/cap freely
also 1 person should pressure him even if he cant kill him it cant ruine his shatter or rotations. if he use wop great cant contest
if the point uncontested great for you as he cant bunker the point on his terms (but he can use more freely wop for his team)

This gave me a good laugh. Bunker Mesmers take Portal in order to protect points while matching numbers across the map or to force the other team to effectively fight 4v5 across the map instead.

Good luck doing this to a good Bunker Mesmer when he has a skill with the sole purpose of doing it to you way easier and faster instead.

than check your team dmg and sustain. as lets say thief try to decap and mesmer now fight you 4v5 mid. as long as your team burst is fast and good you will be manage to down in 3 sec anyone. now the mesmer need to think should i port back to contest or res.

as you see the problem is not with mesmer or portal. again 2/3 of bunker mesmer trait line was before HOT. only wells and chrono trait line with just alacrity came. if its make bunker mes op than it should make power mes op or condi mes op . and it doesnt!.
the problem ppl still dont learn how to rotate and focus fire fast.
when oyu had bunker guard sitting on point you just ignore it . you could see power mes with portal port him to other point and didnt complain.

all i am saying now the problem is not with mesmer. rather with other class who can do dmg and sustain and support like ele, engi and druid (little bit) while full dmg dealer cant handle them like thief, power mes, etc…
when you see more balance in the power/sustain creep you will see more diversity and less bunkering a point

From what little I can understand of your post, I’m starting to think we’re not even playing at the same level here. In the first place, I don’t even run into Thieves at high MMR diamond division where I constantly end up facing ESL premades.

I did beat Caed back when I was in sapphire division, though. That was pretty easy.

Eh, bit weird to say it was easy when you only got 10 points from a whole game. He might have farmed you the whole game and your team might’ve carried you..

I called strats that entire game as I do most of my games, and my general role is to contest far either by direct presence or via Portal plays. As per many people having to had reiterate in another thread, bunkers are generally at the bottom of the scoreboard as was the case for both of us in this particular match as well as most matches we play.

I only died once that entire game which was at the end there. Caed was on me most of it.

That particular game, they managed to get the full-cap on their home node as Caed slowed me down in crossing, so I just walked onto the point, dropped Portal Entre, and proceeded to walk up to the mid fight with him tickling me the entire way. Once we were set to win that fight, I activated Portal Exeunt to go for the decap, their Mesmer did the same to prevent it, and Caed followed through as well. I immediately took my portal back to the mid fight, waited until the last second, and then took it again right before both of our portals closed allowing me to sit uncontested on their home node getting the decap before the enemy teammates started spawning again. The rest was simply history.

Mind you, this was the second match we beat Caed that day. The first match we beat him was on Khylo, and we used the exact same strategy on that map as well for easy victory.

Your focus on personal score also suggests that you and I don’t play on the same level.

Not to burst your bubble but even afk’ing on a point would make you atleast 20-30 points depending if they’re fighting there or not.

By saying I’m someone who says “180 points means you’re better than someone with 70 points” is wrong and means you don’t get my point. I’m way beyond that level as I played support guard very long myself, being (mostly) one of the last in individual score; no matter how much conditions I cleansed or blocked for my team..

Not to burst your bubble, but Caed kept me from scoring as much as I invalidated his entire role in that match. I’d drop my Portal Entre, make my way to the team fight on the next node, drop my support on the node, and then take my Portal Exeunt back as Caed would walk onto my node in an attempt to decap me. In the end, my strategy against him gave my team an easy victory in both matches where we faced him.

I’m not quite sure why you’re attacking me here, but you’re doing a very bad job of it.

Dont get your hopes up, if I wanted to attack you, I would.
I quoted you on the fact because you said playing vs Caed was ez game while you only have 10 points.

Even if you done just support in teamfights as you said, you should atleast have more points for tagging enemies who died, in the fights you supported.

That’s where I’m getting at.

10 points is extremely low, even for support/contesting.
Maybe you dc’ed for a while and came back later and that would explain it.

I don’t have any hopes or expectations for someone who’s pathetically attempting to put me down based on pure assumption and conjecture as per his own subjective opinion about something he was never present for to begin with. That’s nothing short of idiocy.

In case you hadn’t noticed, our other bunker only scored 5 more points than me thanks to a single kill, and that’s because he was constantly having to portal back to the home node which he was safeguarding with his own placed Portal Entre. Playing Bunker Chronmancer right means you’re still generally matching numbers across the map.

Sorry, but your all but outright stated ignorance about how the current meta works speaks nothing positive about you as a learned PvP player. Holding the 2-cap is far more important than tagging enemies for kills or even getting kills to begin with. Get a clue.

Calling someone being subjective as someone who’s also making subjective posts…
Feels like Im stuck vs bunkers on forum..

Every post you seem to make on this forum period is subjective. I highly doubt you would know objectivity even were it to hit you over the head. What I stated was far more a matter of fact than it was an educated observation. What’s more, your cop-out generalized reply follows the format of someone who doesn’t have a leg left to stand on.

Cheers!

It actually means I dont want to bother to someone being as subjective as me, calling himself objective with so called “facts” we see nothing about.

We’re both being subjective here in this thread.
Also the fact you doubt that I know what “objective” means is also pure subjective and speculation.
Unless you know me in r/l but you don’t (objective statement)

Facts are facts regardless of whether or not you can see them. The fact of the matter is that you were attempting to put me down by making negative assumptions about something you know absolutely nothing about. The fact is that’s a stupid thing to do seeing as you have no ethos to stand on in assuming such.

The fact is that my other Bunker Chronomancer did, in fact, only score 5 more points than me. The fact is that playing Bunker Chronomancer properly is that you are using portal plays to generally match numbers across the map.

The fact is that holding a 2-cap in this bunker meta is more important than going around tagging enemies for kills or even getting kills to begin with.

The fact is that I stated more facts than mere speculation in the very post you wrote off.

Speculation concerning your inability to discern and apply objectivity? More like educated opinion that you force other people to have about you due to what you yourself intentionally communicate for nothing short of instigating pejorative discourse.

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messiah.1908:

who to kill a chronobunker?
just dont
if he alone contest a point he cant support his team. so take 1 ally to have eyes on him like rev or thief (class with good mobility) – fight 4v5 on other point if the mesmer leaves than fast decap/cap freely
also 1 person should pressure him even if he cant kill him it cant ruine his shatter or rotations. if he use wop great cant contest
if the point uncontested great for you as he cant bunker the point on his terms (but he can use more freely wop for his team)

This gave me a good laugh. Bunker Mesmers take Portal in order to protect points while matching numbers across the map or to force the other team to effectively fight 4v5 across the map instead.

Good luck doing this to a good Bunker Mesmer when he has a skill with the sole purpose of doing it to you way easier and faster instead.

than check your team dmg and sustain. as lets say thief try to decap and mesmer now fight you 4v5 mid. as long as your team burst is fast and good you will be manage to down in 3 sec anyone. now the mesmer need to think should i port back to contest or res.

as you see the problem is not with mesmer or portal. again 2/3 of bunker mesmer trait line was before HOT. only wells and chrono trait line with just alacrity came. if its make bunker mes op than it should make power mes op or condi mes op . and it doesnt!.
the problem ppl still dont learn how to rotate and focus fire fast.
when oyu had bunker guard sitting on point you just ignore it . you could see power mes with portal port him to other point and didnt complain.

all i am saying now the problem is not with mesmer. rather with other class who can do dmg and sustain and support like ele, engi and druid (little bit) while full dmg dealer cant handle them like thief, power mes, etc…
when you see more balance in the power/sustain creep you will see more diversity and less bunkering a point

From what little I can understand of your post, I’m starting to think we’re not even playing at the same level here. In the first place, I don’t even run into Thieves at high MMR diamond division where I constantly end up facing ESL premades.

I did beat Caed back when I was in sapphire division, though. That was pretty easy.

Eh, bit weird to say it was easy when you only got 10 points from a whole game. He might have farmed you the whole game and your team might’ve carried you..

I called strats that entire game as I do most of my games, and my general role is to contest far either by direct presence or via Portal plays. As per many people having to had reiterate in another thread, bunkers are generally at the bottom of the scoreboard as was the case for both of us in this particular match as well as most matches we play.

I only died once that entire game which was at the end there. Caed was on me most of it.

That particular game, they managed to get the full-cap on their home node as Caed slowed me down in crossing, so I just walked onto the point, dropped Portal Entre, and proceeded to walk up to the mid fight with him tickling me the entire way. Once we were set to win that fight, I activated Portal Exeunt to go for the decap, their Mesmer did the same to prevent it, and Caed followed through as well. I immediately took my portal back to the mid fight, waited until the last second, and then took it again right before both of our portals closed allowing me to sit uncontested on their home node getting the decap before the enemy teammates started spawning again. The rest was simply history.

Mind you, this was the second match we beat Caed that day. The first match we beat him was on Khylo, and we used the exact same strategy on that map as well for easy victory.

Your focus on personal score also suggests that you and I don’t play on the same level.

Not to burst your bubble but even afk’ing on a point would make you atleast 20-30 points depending if they’re fighting there or not.

By saying I’m someone who says “180 points means you’re better than someone with 70 points” is wrong and means you don’t get my point. I’m way beyond that level as I played support guard very long myself, being (mostly) one of the last in individual score; no matter how much conditions I cleansed or blocked for my team..

Not to burst your bubble, but Caed kept me from scoring as much as I invalidated his entire role in that match. I’d drop my Portal Entre, make my way to the team fight on the next node, drop my support on the node, and then take my Portal Exeunt back as Caed would walk onto my node in an attempt to decap me. In the end, my strategy against him gave my team an easy victory in both matches where we faced him.

I’m not quite sure why you’re attacking me here, but you’re doing a very bad job of it.

Dont get your hopes up, if I wanted to attack you, I would.
I quoted you on the fact because you said playing vs Caed was ez game while you only have 10 points.

Even if you done just support in teamfights as you said, you should atleast have more points for tagging enemies who died, in the fights you supported.

That’s where I’m getting at.

10 points is extremely low, even for support/contesting.
Maybe you dc’ed for a while and came back later and that would explain it.

I don’t have any hopes or expectations for someone who’s pathetically attempting to put me down based on pure assumption and conjecture as per his own subjective opinion about something he was never present for to begin with. That’s nothing short of idiocy.

In case you hadn’t noticed, our other bunker only scored 5 more points than me thanks to a single kill, and that’s because he was constantly having to portal back to the home node which he was safeguarding with his own placed Portal Entre. Playing Bunker Chronmancer right means you’re still generally matching numbers across the map.

Sorry, but your all but outright stated ignorance about how the current meta works speaks nothing positive about you as a learned PvP player. Holding the 2-cap is far more important than tagging enemies for kills or even getting kills to begin with. Get a clue.

Calling someone being subjective as someone who’s also making subjective posts…
Feels like Im stuck vs bunkers on forum..

Every post you seem to make on this forum period is subjective. I highly doubt you would know objectivity even were it to hit you over the head. What I stated was far more a matter of fact than it was an educated observation. What’s more, your cop-out generalized reply follows the format of someone who doesn’t have a leg left to stand on.

Cheers!

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Jelzouki.4128:

Bunkering shouldn’t be available through invulnerability, that includes evades.

There is no counterplay to invulnerability, especially with such abundant alacrity application.

I guess this makes s/d daredevil even more OP then, since they have even more evade uptime.

The well give you PERMA evasion as long as you stand in it. With perma i mean, no ‘vulnerable windows, while the well is up’.

Every thief evasion skill has a forcast and aftercast. Both of them make you vulnerable.

If a thief uses Vault in the elite well of mesmer (triple CC), he will 80% of times still get hit because of this, even if he keeps spamming it.

Counterplay to mesmer well? Noone. Counterplay to thief? Excellent timing of skills (I admit it’s not always easy). Second counter play: run them out of initiative (no more evade spam usually then).

Ele just need a melee class focussing him a little, then when he’s below tresshold (wich is really easy to reach) you ask on your team ‘condi burst this target plz’. Ele death.

I admit in some team comps with infinite party heals/evades/supports, that Ele can feel to strong. But I think bringing all the bunkers meta’s down a notch alone, would break the feeling Diamond skin is op. No support = Ele can’t keep up diamond = wet noodle against coordinated bursts.

Where do you come from? two weeks ago?
The Well as been NERFED It’s now an INVULNERABILITY which means that any mesmer still using it on an owned point LOSE THE CAP
is that clear enough, now?
A bunker mesmer is currently much more in line than a Diamond Skin Ele…

+1000, some people are just clueless and biased towards Mesmer class in general…

I’ve seen at least 80% of the mesmer I phase still spam the evade well. What’s more these mesmers often win team fights, wich completely offsets the loss of capture point contribution. Especially when a point is decapped already (like at start of game in mid, or wich happens often when a player sneaks far/close), the amount of time needed to get a full cap is just crazy. Loosing a few seconds contribution is nothing (if the enemy stands out of circle 1 sec, 1 sec only (lot of big leap skills do that), the whole 3 sec capture progress is nulified versus the well.

Imo the disadvantage you guys give as ‘no c apture point contribution’ is bigger then you make it out to be.

What’s more, the mesmer (with teamspeak) can coordinate one other tanky boy, who is mid, to not enter the well. End result is: One person is enough to contest the point and the mesmer can evade the crap out of the enemies damage, often getting an advantage in the fight.

The downside is there, but it’s not world changing imo.

I’m talking about teamfights. For 1 vs 1 mesmer probably wont use it, but, in 1 vs1 they can ‘not use’ this well, and still do well on the 1 vs 1.

Me and my other bunker buddy have personally just forgone said well altogether in favor of another well. He remarks about missing it, but I’m perfectly content to play without it.

Bunker Chronomancer is still competitive even without it in my opinion.

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Terrorsquad.4802:

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messiah.1908:

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messiah.1908:

who to kill a chronobunker?
just dont
if he alone contest a point he cant support his team. so take 1 ally to have eyes on him like rev or thief (class with good mobility) – fight 4v5 on other point if the mesmer leaves than fast decap/cap freely
also 1 person should pressure him even if he cant kill him it cant ruine his shatter or rotations. if he use wop great cant contest
if the point uncontested great for you as he cant bunker the point on his terms (but he can use more freely wop for his team)

This gave me a good laugh. Bunker Mesmers take Portal in order to protect points while matching numbers across the map or to force the other team to effectively fight 4v5 across the map instead.

Good luck doing this to a good Bunker Mesmer when he has a skill with the sole purpose of doing it to you way easier and faster instead.

than check your team dmg and sustain. as lets say thief try to decap and mesmer now fight you 4v5 mid. as long as your team burst is fast and good you will be manage to down in 3 sec anyone. now the mesmer need to think should i port back to contest or res.

as you see the problem is not with mesmer or portal. again 2/3 of bunker mesmer trait line was before HOT. only wells and chrono trait line with just alacrity came. if its make bunker mes op than it should make power mes op or condi mes op . and it doesnt!.
the problem ppl still dont learn how to rotate and focus fire fast.
when oyu had bunker guard sitting on point you just ignore it . you could see power mes with portal port him to other point and didnt complain.

all i am saying now the problem is not with mesmer. rather with other class who can do dmg and sustain and support like ele, engi and druid (little bit) while full dmg dealer cant handle them like thief, power mes, etc…
when you see more balance in the power/sustain creep you will see more diversity and less bunkering a point

From what little I can understand of your post, I’m starting to think we’re not even playing at the same level here. In the first place, I don’t even run into Thieves at high MMR diamond division where I constantly end up facing ESL premades.

I did beat Caed back when I was in sapphire division, though. That was pretty easy.

Eh, bit weird to say it was easy when you only got 10 points from a whole game. He might have farmed you the whole game and your team might’ve carried you..

I called strats that entire game as I do most of my games, and my general role is to contest far either by direct presence or via Portal plays. As per many people having to had reiterate in another thread, bunkers are generally at the bottom of the scoreboard as was the case for both of us in this particular match as well as most matches we play.

I only died once that entire game which was at the end there. Caed was on me most of it.

That particular game, they managed to get the full-cap on their home node as Caed slowed me down in crossing, so I just walked onto the point, dropped Portal Entre, and proceeded to walk up to the mid fight with him tickling me the entire way. Once we were set to win that fight, I activated Portal Exeunt to go for the decap, their Mesmer did the same to prevent it, and Caed followed through as well. I immediately took my portal back to the mid fight, waited until the last second, and then took it again right before both of our portals closed allowing me to sit uncontested on their home node getting the decap before the enemy teammates started spawning again. The rest was simply history.

Mind you, this was the second match we beat Caed that day. The first match we beat him was on Khylo, and we used the exact same strategy on that map as well for easy victory.

Your focus on personal score also suggests that you and I don’t play on the same level.

Not to burst your bubble but even afk’ing on a point would make you atleast 20-30 points depending if they’re fighting there or not.

By saying I’m someone who says “180 points means you’re better than someone with 70 points” is wrong and means you don’t get my point. I’m way beyond that level as I played support guard very long myself, being (mostly) one of the last in individual score; no matter how much conditions I cleansed or blocked for my team..

Not to burst your bubble, but Caed kept me from scoring as much as I invalidated his entire role in that match. I’d drop my Portal Entre, make my way to the team fight on the next node, drop my support on the node, and then take my Portal Exeunt back as Caed would walk onto my node in an attempt to decap me. In the end, my strategy against him gave my team an easy victory in both matches where we faced him.

I’m not quite sure why you’re attacking me here, but you’re doing a very bad job of it.

Dont get your hopes up, if I wanted to attack you, I would.
I quoted you on the fact because you said playing vs Caed was ez game while you only have 10 points.

Even if you done just support in teamfights as you said, you should atleast have more points for tagging enemies who died, in the fights you supported.

That’s where I’m getting at.

10 points is extremely low, even for support/contesting.
Maybe you dc’ed for a while and came back later and that would explain it.

I don’t have any hopes or expectations for someone who’s pathetically attempting to put me down based on pure assumption and conjecture as per his own subjective opinion about something he was never present for to begin with. That’s nothing short of idiocy.

In case you hadn’t noticed, our other bunker only scored 5 more points than me thanks to a single kill, and that’s because he was constantly having to portal back to the home node which he was safeguarding with his own placed Portal Entre. Playing Bunker Chronmancer right means you’re still generally matching numbers across the map.

Sorry, but your all but outright stated ignorance about how the current meta works speaks nothing positive about you as a learned PvP player. Holding the 2-cap is far more important than tagging enemies for kills or even getting kills to begin with. Get a clue.

Don’t bother, it’s pointless, I understood it when he never mentioned what I said about WoP nerf, yet still goes on about the amount of invuln mesmer has…
Chronobunker, Imo is about to fall out of meta, it just doesn’t compare to a tempest or scrapper, but yeah mesmer will always be op in some ignorant eyes

Good point. It certainly does seem like I’m talking to a broken record here spouting the same baseless reasoning over and over again. I guess some people will never truly learn.

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messiah.1908:

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messiah.1908:

who to kill a chronobunker?
just dont
if he alone contest a point he cant support his team. so take 1 ally to have eyes on him like rev or thief (class with good mobility) – fight 4v5 on other point if the mesmer leaves than fast decap/cap freely
also 1 person should pressure him even if he cant kill him it cant ruine his shatter or rotations. if he use wop great cant contest
if the point uncontested great for you as he cant bunker the point on his terms (but he can use more freely wop for his team)

This gave me a good laugh. Bunker Mesmers take Portal in order to protect points while matching numbers across the map or to force the other team to effectively fight 4v5 across the map instead.

Good luck doing this to a good Bunker Mesmer when he has a skill with the sole purpose of doing it to you way easier and faster instead.

than check your team dmg and sustain. as lets say thief try to decap and mesmer now fight you 4v5 mid. as long as your team burst is fast and good you will be manage to down in 3 sec anyone. now the mesmer need to think should i port back to contest or res.

as you see the problem is not with mesmer or portal. again 2/3 of bunker mesmer trait line was before HOT. only wells and chrono trait line with just alacrity came. if its make bunker mes op than it should make power mes op or condi mes op . and it doesnt!.
the problem ppl still dont learn how to rotate and focus fire fast.
when oyu had bunker guard sitting on point you just ignore it . you could see power mes with portal port him to other point and didnt complain.

all i am saying now the problem is not with mesmer. rather with other class who can do dmg and sustain and support like ele, engi and druid (little bit) while full dmg dealer cant handle them like thief, power mes, etc…
when you see more balance in the power/sustain creep you will see more diversity and less bunkering a point

From what little I can understand of your post, I’m starting to think we’re not even playing at the same level here. In the first place, I don’t even run into Thieves at high MMR diamond division where I constantly end up facing ESL premades.

I did beat Caed back when I was in sapphire division, though. That was pretty easy.

Eh, bit weird to say it was easy when you only got 10 points from a whole game. He might have farmed you the whole game and your team might’ve carried you..

I called strats that entire game as I do most of my games, and my general role is to contest far either by direct presence or via Portal plays. As per many people having to had reiterate in another thread, bunkers are generally at the bottom of the scoreboard as was the case for both of us in this particular match as well as most matches we play.

I only died once that entire game which was at the end there. Caed was on me most of it.

That particular game, they managed to get the full-cap on their home node as Caed slowed me down in crossing, so I just walked onto the point, dropped Portal Entre, and proceeded to walk up to the mid fight with him tickling me the entire way. Once we were set to win that fight, I activated Portal Exeunt to go for the decap, their Mesmer did the same to prevent it, and Caed followed through as well. I immediately took my portal back to the mid fight, waited until the last second, and then took it again right before both of our portals closed allowing me to sit uncontested on their home node getting the decap before the enemy teammates started spawning again. The rest was simply history.

Mind you, this was the second match we beat Caed that day. The first match we beat him was on Khylo, and we used the exact same strategy on that map as well for easy victory.

Your focus on personal score also suggests that you and I don’t play on the same level.

Not to burst your bubble but even afk’ing on a point would make you atleast 20-30 points depending if they’re fighting there or not.

By saying I’m someone who says “180 points means you’re better than someone with 70 points” is wrong and means you don’t get my point. I’m way beyond that level as I played support guard very long myself, being (mostly) one of the last in individual score; no matter how much conditions I cleansed or blocked for my team..

Not to burst your bubble, but Caed kept me from scoring as much as I invalidated his entire role in that match. I’d drop my Portal Entre, make my way to the team fight on the next node, drop my support on the node, and then take my Portal Exeunt back as Caed would walk onto my node in an attempt to decap me. In the end, my strategy against him gave my team an easy victory in both matches where we faced him.

I’m not quite sure why you’re attacking me here, but you’re doing a very bad job of it.

Dont get your hopes up, if I wanted to attack you, I would.
I quoted you on the fact because you said playing vs Caed was ez game while you only have 10 points.

Even if you done just support in teamfights as you said, you should atleast have more points for tagging enemies who died, in the fights you supported.

That’s where I’m getting at.

10 points is extremely low, even for support/contesting.
Maybe you dc’ed for a while and came back later and that would explain it.

I don’t have any hopes or expectations for someone who’s pathetically attempting to put me down based on pure assumption and conjecture as per his own subjective opinion about something he was never present for to begin with. That’s nothing short of idiocy.

In case you hadn’t noticed, our other bunker only scored 5 more points than me thanks to a single kill, and that’s because he was constantly having to portal back to the home node which he was safeguarding with his own placed Portal Entre. Playing Bunker Chronmancer right means you’re still generally matching numbers across the map.

Sorry, but your all but outright stated ignorance about how the current meta works speaks nothing positive about you as a learned PvP player. Holding the 2-cap is far more important than tagging enemies for kills or even getting kills to begin with. Get a clue.

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Velimere.7685:

That 1 second of resistance is pretty crazy, am I right?

Yes, actually, since you can avoid over 9000 damage passively.

If you have say, 5 bleed, chill, cripple, vuln and some torment that’s probly over 9000. Because, if you aren’t chilled or crippled then you can actually move to prevent the rest of the like 6000 damage from physical attacks. And chill doesn’t affect you for 1s = your cooldowns are up quicker = blocks and heals.

And since that happens 3 times per minute…? kitten that’s a tanky rune. I’d say it prevents over at LEAST 27k dmg in a match. Might even be closer to over a million dmg per episode, even.

Vacuum calculations sure are fun, eh?

I completely forgot we had 2v2 tournaments…

That 1 second of resistance is pretty crazy, am I right?

I’ve had no problem facing this build 1v1 on small nodes playing Bunker Mesmer. It’s simply a matter of managing your blocks, evades, and stability all in proper order really.

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I think this website is what kills the game by forcing people to play only metas (not really forcing but it could be like that way) and most importantly, it kills, “The build Diversity”. Don’t you think so?

If there wasn’t metabattle.com, many people wouldn’t have played current meta that much and abused it, thus anet would’nt get doomed like now, i guess. (or takes pretty longer time to be blamed which gives anet time to fix)

We see the result now is that, every people find working build so fast, every people abusing it, only balming devs thus makes dev like madly super hasty in making new patch and patch again. but unfortunately they sometimes makes patch that makes situation even worse becuz of hasty.

And also, forum becomes like a place to make mostly angry & hostile thread as a result of abusing those meta builds, rather than becoming far away from harmonized good atmosphere forum.

From Last year before HoT, dd cele ele… and then now, blaming on everything. And we probably gonna keep co tinuously blaming endlessly as long as Arenanet makes GW series.

If we just don’t share the builds that openly, there doesn’t need to be that much to blame as well. Or, can be fixed before too much OP-aspect got caught by dev.

If there are people who wants to how to war/ranger/engi and etc.. they can just come to forum and ask, making forum that harmonious atmosphere than ever by learning each other.

I am still not sure of this. But i feel it.
Just felt it -.-

You can’t stop people from creating their own wikis let alone stop them from having their own opinions, observing popular opinion, or acknowledging obvious optimization.

I find myself with great distaste concerning your idealization of enforced censorship.

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Velimere.7685:

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Velimere.7685:

messiah.1908:

Velimere.7685:

messiah.1908:

who to kill a chronobunker?
just dont
if he alone contest a point he cant support his team. so take 1 ally to have eyes on him like rev or thief (class with good mobility) – fight 4v5 on other point if the mesmer leaves than fast decap/cap freely
also 1 person should pressure him even if he cant kill him it cant ruine his shatter or rotations. if he use wop great cant contest
if the point uncontested great for you as he cant bunker the point on his terms (but he can use more freely wop for his team)

This gave me a good laugh. Bunker Mesmers take Portal in order to protect points while matching numbers across the map or to force the other team to effectively fight 4v5 across the map instead.

Good luck doing this to a good Bunker Mesmer when he has a skill with the sole purpose of doing it to you way easier and faster instead.

than check your team dmg and sustain. as lets say thief try to decap and mesmer now fight you 4v5 mid. as long as your team burst is fast and good you will be manage to down in 3 sec anyone. now the mesmer need to think should i port back to contest or res.

as you see the problem is not with mesmer or portal. again 2/3 of bunker mesmer trait line was before HOT. only wells and chrono trait line with just alacrity came. if its make bunker mes op than it should make power mes op or condi mes op . and it doesnt!.
the problem ppl still dont learn how to rotate and focus fire fast.
when oyu had bunker guard sitting on point you just ignore it . you could see power mes with portal port him to other point and didnt complain.

all i am saying now the problem is not with mesmer. rather with other class who can do dmg and sustain and support like ele, engi and druid (little bit) while full dmg dealer cant handle them like thief, power mes, etc…
when you see more balance in the power/sustain creep you will see more diversity and less bunkering a point

From what little I can understand of your post, I’m starting to think we’re not even playing at the same level here. In the first place, I don’t even run into Thieves at high MMR diamond division where I constantly end up facing ESL premades.

I did beat Caed back when I was in sapphire division, though. That was pretty easy.

Eh, bit weird to say it was easy when you only got 10 points from a whole game. He might have farmed you the whole game and your team might’ve carried you..

I called strats that entire game as I do most of my games, and my general role is to contest far either by direct presence or via Portal plays. As per many people having to had reiterate in another thread, bunkers are generally at the bottom of the scoreboard as was the case for both of us in this particular match as well as most matches we play.

I only died once that entire game which was at the end there. Caed was on me most of it.

That particular game, they managed to get the full-cap on their home node as Caed slowed me down in crossing, so I just walked onto the point, dropped Portal Entre, and proceeded to walk up to the mid fight with him tickling me the entire way. Once we were set to win that fight, I activated Portal Exeunt to go for the decap, their Mesmer did the same to prevent it, and Caed followed through as well. I immediately took my portal back to the mid fight, waited until the last second, and then took it again right before both of our portals closed allowing me to sit uncontested on their home node getting the decap before the enemy teammates started spawning again. The rest was simply history.

Mind you, this was the second match we beat Caed that day. The first match we beat him was on Khylo, and we used the exact same strategy on that map as well for easy victory.

Your focus on personal score also suggests that you and I don’t play on the same level.

Not to burst your bubble but even afk’ing on a point would make you atleast 20-30 points depending if they’re fighting there or not.

By saying I’m someone who says “180 points means you’re better than someone with 70 points” is wrong and means you don’t get my point. I’m way beyond that level as I played support guard very long myself, being (mostly) one of the last in individual score; no matter how much conditions I cleansed or blocked for my team..

Not to burst your bubble, but Caed kept me from scoring as much as I invalidated his entire role in that match. I’d drop my Portal Entre, make my way to the team fight on the next node, drop my support on the node, and then take my Portal Exeunt back as Caed would walk onto my node in an attempt to decap me. In the end, my strategy against him gave my team an easy victory in both matches where we faced him.

I’m not quite sure why you’re attacking me here, but you’re doing a very bad job of it.

Terrorsquad.4802:

Velimere.7685:

messiah.1908:

Velimere.7685:

messiah.1908:

who to kill a chronobunker?
just dont
if he alone contest a point he cant support his team. so take 1 ally to have eyes on him like rev or thief (class with good mobility) – fight 4v5 on other point if the mesmer leaves than fast decap/cap freely
also 1 person should pressure him even if he cant kill him it cant ruine his shatter or rotations. if he use wop great cant contest
if the point uncontested great for you as he cant bunker the point on his terms (but he can use more freely wop for his team)

This gave me a good laugh. Bunker Mesmers take Portal in order to protect points while matching numbers across the map or to force the other team to effectively fight 4v5 across the map instead.

Good luck doing this to a good Bunker Mesmer when he has a skill with the sole purpose of doing it to you way easier and faster instead.

than check your team dmg and sustain. as lets say thief try to decap and mesmer now fight you 4v5 mid. as long as your team burst is fast and good you will be manage to down in 3 sec anyone. now the mesmer need to think should i port back to contest or res.

as you see the problem is not with mesmer or portal. again 2/3 of bunker mesmer trait line was before HOT. only wells and chrono trait line with just alacrity came. if its make bunker mes op than it should make power mes op or condi mes op . and it doesnt!.
the problem ppl still dont learn how to rotate and focus fire fast.
when oyu had bunker guard sitting on point you just ignore it . you could see power mes with portal port him to other point and didnt complain.

all i am saying now the problem is not with mesmer. rather with other class who can do dmg and sustain and support like ele, engi and druid (little bit) while full dmg dealer cant handle them like thief, power mes, etc…
when you see more balance in the power/sustain creep you will see more diversity and less bunkering a point

From what little I can understand of your post, I’m starting to think we’re not even playing at the same level here. In the first place, I don’t even run into Thieves at high MMR diamond division where I constantly end up facing ESL premades.

I did beat Caed back when I was in sapphire division, though. That was pretty easy.

Eh, bit weird to say it was easy when you only got 10 points from a whole game. He might have farmed you the whole game and your team might’ve carried you..

I called strats that entire game as I do most of my games, and my general role is to contest far either by direct presence or via Portal plays. As per many people having to had reiterate in another thread, bunkers are generally at the bottom of the scoreboard as was the case for both of us in this particular match as well as most matches we play.

I only died once that entire game which was at the end there. Caed was on me most of it.

That particular game, they managed to get the full-cap on their home node as Caed slowed me down in crossing, so I just walked onto the point, dropped Portal Entre, and proceeded to walk up to the mid fight with him tickling me the entire way. Once we were set to win that fight, I activated Portal Exeunt to go for the decap, their Mesmer did the same to prevent it, and Caed followed through as well. I immediately took my portal back to the mid fight, waited until the last second, and then took it again right before both of our portals closed allowing me to sit uncontested on their home node getting the decap before the enemy teammates started spawning again. The rest was simply history.

Mind you, this was the second match we beat Caed that day. The first match we beat him was on Khylo, and we used the exact same strategy on that map as well for easy victory.

Your focus on personal score also suggests that you and I don’t play on the same level.

messiah.1908:

Velimere.7685:

messiah.1908:

who to kill a chronobunker?
just dont
if he alone contest a point he cant support his team. so take 1 ally to have eyes on him like rev or thief (class with good mobility) – fight 4v5 on other point if the mesmer leaves than fast decap/cap freely
also 1 person should pressure him even if he cant kill him it cant ruine his shatter or rotations. if he use wop great cant contest
if the point uncontested great for you as he cant bunker the point on his terms (but he can use more freely wop for his team)

This gave me a good laugh. Bunker Mesmers take Portal in order to protect points while matching numbers across the map or to force the other team to effectively fight 4v5 across the map instead.

Good luck doing this to a good Bunker Mesmer when he has a skill with the sole purpose of doing it to you way easier and faster instead.

than check your team dmg and sustain. as lets say thief try to decap and mesmer now fight you 4v5 mid. as long as your team burst is fast and good you will be manage to down in 3 sec anyone. now the mesmer need to think should i port back to contest or res.

as you see the problem is not with mesmer or portal. again 2/3 of bunker mesmer trait line was before HOT. only wells and chrono trait line with just alacrity came. if its make bunker mes op than it should make power mes op or condi mes op . and it doesnt!.
the problem ppl still dont learn how to rotate and focus fire fast.
when oyu had bunker guard sitting on point you just ignore it . you could see power mes with portal port him to other point and didnt complain.

all i am saying now the problem is not with mesmer. rather with other class who can do dmg and sustain and support like ele, engi and druid (little bit) while full dmg dealer cant handle them like thief, power mes, etc…
when you see more balance in the power/sustain creep you will see more diversity and less bunkering a point

From what little I can understand of your post, I’m starting to think we’re not even playing at the same level here. In the first place, I don’t even run into Thieves at high MMR diamond division where I constantly end up facing ESL premades.

I did beat Caed back when I was in sapphire division, though. That was pretty easy.

The meta Marauder Scrapper build taking Mortar Kit over Sneak Gyro can either kill or permanently 1v1 any other build currently in the game without dying while contesting a capture point of any size.

messiah.1908:

who to kill a chronobunker?
just dont
if he alone contest a point he cant support his team. so take 1 ally to have eyes on him like rev or thief (class with good mobility) – fight 4v5 on other point if the mesmer leaves than fast decap/cap freely
also 1 person should pressure him even if he cant kill him it cant ruine his shatter or rotations. if he use wop great cant contest
if the point uncontested great for you as he cant bunker the point on his terms (but he can use more freely wop for his team)

This gave me a good laugh. Bunker Mesmers take Portal in order to protect points while matching numbers across the map or to force the other team to effectively fight 4v5 across the map instead.

Good luck doing this to a good Bunker Mesmer when he has a skill with the sole purpose of doing it to you way easier and faster instead.

It’s is stron superiority feeling surely a nice build!

Ephixa.6053:

Everyone is solo on my team, vs a duo and a trio. One of which is legendary rank but we lost two pips. This has happened three times today. Will something be done about it? Also, I’m being matched with people in my ignore list, so that’s a thing.

Lower divisions hold too much weight in the match-making predictions. Even with your team having all ruby division players and the enemy team having a legendary division player, their emerald division player is what totally screwed you in the prediction.