Guild Wars 2

Toroxus.9256:

Wanze.8410:

So what is the difference of flipping an item and playing tycoon? What does a tycoon actually do on the TP?

I spend maybe 1-2hrs/day on the TP. I pop up a spreadsheet on one monitor, graphs and charts on the other, power up the calculator on my desk, and play around for a bit. Play some short-term stuff, watch long-term investments. Take other people’s money (willingly) and invest it, and give them and myself profitable returns from it.

Of course, I’m not going to give you anything specific because that would interfere with my ability to make money for me and my clients (who only pay me with gold). I think flipping is the worst way to make money and probably the most boring thing that people willingly do.

So you are flipping items for profit. It doesnt matter if its long term or short term.

Astralporing.1957:

Wanze.8410:

Astralporing.1957:

That doesn’t answer nothing. In the OP’s food price comparison (even if it is not too well suited to the case in general), there would be people willing to pay for food regardless how high the end price would get. It would not mean that high food prices were a good thing.

So, the fact that thee are people willing to shell out any amount of money for some things is mostly irrelevant to the question whether high price for those things is good or bad, and completely irrelevant to the question whether market speculation on said commodity is beneficial or not.

In answer to the OP’s question – no, market manipulation (TP flipping) doesn’t offer anything good for the game. Flippers do not add anything to the game – they take from the community, but do not offer anything back in return.

First of all, TP flipping is a big gold sink in the game, so it essentially does offer something good for the game to keep inflation in check.

Not really. It removes the gold from the game, but at the same time increases prices. It also concentrates the gold in the hands of a small number of people. The last two things just happen to fuel inflation.

Wanze.8410:

Also, flipping items doesnt really change the value of an item, its the consumer, who buys and consumes it at the higher price.

…yes, increasing the price of an item doesn’t change it’s value. Somehow.

Wanze.8410:

Why would someone sell me a loaf of bread today for 1 silver and then buy it back tomorrow for 2 silver to eat it?

No idea – but that’s not how the flipping works. Here, the producer sells you the bread for 1s, and you sell it for 2s to consumer. In real world, it is a worthwhile service, because it does offer something – it connects the producer with the consume. In gw2, they are already connected, so the only “service” flipper offers is in raising the final price of the item. Which helps neither the producer, nor the consumer.

Again, the flipper doesnt raise the price of an item, its the consumer who choses to buy and consume it at a higher price. The producer has the choice to list at a higher price and wait until it gets sold. That would benefit him greatly.
The consumer can put in a low buy order, just like the flipper.
So why dont they do it? Because its more convenient for them to buy and sell directly. As they have been given the choice, you can hardly blame the flipper for an elevated price.

Right now, givers weapons would be cheapest to craft but you should also check the resale value of the weapons.

During asc weaponsmith launch, i actually made quite some profit, crafting high value weapons, like destroyer or sentinel weapons.

Toroxus.9256:

Dear Anet,
I love everything about the TP. This is coming from someone who uses it a lot, and no, I don’t turn gems into gold. I could list off everything I love about the TP, from the fees (yes, some players are from GW and know why we have fees), to the amount of fun it can be if I want to play Tycoon (which I love to), to how optional it is for my friends who don’t like to play Tycoon. But that list would be enormous, so let me instead list things I don’t like:
1: The text when the game’s UI is set to small.
2. Flippers

So I just have two wishes:
1. Fix the font size.
2. Don’t become blinded with all the mud-slinging that goes on in this section.

Sincerely,
Toro

So what is the difference of flipping an item and playing tycoon? What does a tycoon actually do on the TP?

Right now Anet is focusing on its China release. In a recent interview with a fan site, they mentioned alot of markets they might release at a later stage, though, like Brazil, Russia or SE Asia.

zilcho.7624:

edit – Why did I post this here and not in the economy section? Because I’m not interested in how speculation affects the game’s economy. I don’t care whether or not it makes the economy healthier.

I’m interested in how it changes the game itself, in general. How it effects players who choose to have a minimal exposure to the economy. If I want ascended gear, how does the materials costing thousands of gold add to the experience? Speculation is directly responsible for this situation, thus I ask what it adds to the game. (If that makes sense.)

If I posted this in the economy section, I would just start a debate over the merits and risks of speculation. That is a worthwhile discussion, but it is not what I’m after. I am curious how a speculation-driven economy improves the game as a whole – from PvP to WvW to PvE.

You are contradicting yourself here. If someone choses to have minimal exposure to the trading post while crafting his ascended gear, he can certainly do so. In that case, he has to gather the mats himself and wouldnt cost him “thousands” (a quote from you, which is exaggerated) of gold but no gold after all.
In that case we would be arguing over drop rates and not a speculative market.

Anet sees the Trading Post as an integral part of Tyria, which gives players the choice of offering to buy and sell their items at their price of choice, which benefits the game as a whole. Maybe not so much for PvP, as everything you need is free anyways.

Astralporing.1957:

Ryan.9387:

If nobody was willing to buy the price wouldn’t be high.

That doesn’t answer nothing. In the OP’s food price comparison (even if it is not too well suited to the case in general), there would be people willing to pay for food regardless how high the end price would get. It would not mean that high food prices were a good thing.

So, the fact that thee are people willing to shell out any amount of money for some things is mostly irrelevant to the question whether high price for those things is good or bad, and completely irrelevant to the question whether market speculation on said commodity is beneficial or not.

In answer to the OP’s question – no, market manipulation (TP flipping) doesn’t offer anything good for the game. Flippers do not add anything to the game – they take from the community, but do not offer anything back in return.

First of all, TP flipping is a big gold sink in the game, so it essentially does offer something good for the game to keep inflation in check.

Also, flipping items doesnt really change the value of an item, its the consumer, who buys and consumes it at the higher price.

Why would someone sell me a loaf of bread today for 1 silver and then buy it back tomorrow for 2 silver to eat it?

danielrjones.8759:

@Wanze, My comment regarding seeing it everyday was more about the price spreads. I will use totems for example. There was a time I was buying some of those to balance out having full sets of all t6, this was when they were selling for 17s and bids were in for around 14s. I would see one listed for 14.01 buy it and as soon as I would another would appear for 14.01 I would buy it and within 2-3 seconds another would appear for 14.01 Did this at least 15 times in less than 2 minutes. All the while there would be bids of a few hundred at 14s

I see this type of activity on many different items. I suppose its very possible someone could actually list it for 1 copper above bidding prices. What I find odd is many times it will only be one or two available at a time like that. And as soon as they are bought, one or two will appear again.

Not that I am against people doing this at all, whatever blows their skirt up I guess. (I don’t do it) If that is being done with the intention of getting unsuspecting people to just sell to low bidder thinking that’s what they are generally going for, I would call that manipulation.

Its not a manipulation but an interaction with the market, or every interaction, wether you buy or sell an item, is also a manipulation.
Considering the guy is the same who has a bunch of buy orders at 14s and keeps listing at 14.01s, just keep buying them at 14.01s until he runs out as he makes 15% every time.

Vol.7601:

Evogrin.6027:

So the question is…. Is this still worth investing into at 1.25S each?

I had bought 10 stacks at 45c each, but I’m wondering if the market will just keep going up.. Seems like a pretty big risk

There is still room for it to go up a bit as we approach Tuesday. Heck, we won’t even know if anything relevant content wise is coming.

Selling your stock over the weekend is your best bet.

As they said all 4 next patches will focus on LS, i am pretty sure that jeweler 500 wont be introduced until end of march.

Zaxares.5419:

What, no HATS in WvW? I suppose they wouldn’t keep out arrow carts or boiling oil though.

I can buy out burning oil but there is no chance to buy out the stock of arrow carts from german servers.

Zaxares.5419:

-checks price of Onions- Wow. Maybe I should sell off some of my stock when I get home tonight.

Just wait until you see the requirements for cooking legendary stock.

Zaxares.5419:

Yes, but discovering all the r300+ recipes (especially for Jeweler and Chef, since there are so many of them) will take you past the XP needed for 400. Hence, to eke out every last bit of CXP without wastage, it makes more sense for me to wait.

I do know what I’m doing. Most of the time.

That might be true for cooking but not for jewelling due to the amount of recipes to be discovered.

As you need 1 Orb along with 1 Ecto and 2 ori ingots to craft an exquisite jewel, it is much cheaper right now for most jewels to buy them directly from the TP.

An exquisite chrysocola jewel costs you between 10-20 silver right now, why get the mats to craft it yourself for 55s?

Zaxares.5419:

Yeah, I estimated that would be when r500 Jeweler/Chef would be introduced too. I’m holding off on getting both crafting professions to 400 until that happens since I’m a discovery completionist; no point in wasting ingredients and mats unlocking recipes now that are just going to be reset again.

For a discovery completionist you have little knowledge of crafting. Any discoverable recipes that will be reset will be lvl 400 and you dont need those to lvl to 400.

cranked.3812:

Wanze.8410:

morrolan.9608:

It was done for 1 reason only, because there were large stockpiles of silk. Of course this was short term thinking, and makes it extremely hard for those who didn’t have the required amount stored.

The recipe should have been similar to other ascended recipes and they do something about the rate at which it drops.

it was short term thinking of all the monks that promoted all their silk to gossamer prior to patch, thinking they make a bargain on their skill points.

True to some degree.

If anet saw what was happening they should have adjusted on the fly if that much silk was really being eaten up by promotion and/or introduced a demotion recipe to ease the price rise.

At that point it becomes the player bases´ fault and its not a design failure anymore. I am pretty sure that the recipe for Bolt of Damask was well balanced at its time of approval (which is a couple of weeks before the patch) according to the droprate of cloth. Linen just spiked because people didnt know how to farm it or get it cheaply, as it had several safety nets with lootbags and salvagable items, so there was a buffer. People are just not accustomed to farm t2, 3 4 mats, thats why the supply went short for a while. I made a killing on linen, not because i bought it months before but i knew what lootbags to buy at the right time.

Pandemoniac.4739:

Wanze.8410:

Pandemoniac.4739:

Zaxares.5419:

Yeah, if I were to speculate on cooking mats, I’d go for the ones at or near vendor prices and that match a theme.

Cinnamon Sticks seem like a prime candidate to me.

Chocolate bars and sticks of butter have recovered from the great cookie ingredient deluge, but cinnamon has been in the dumps ever since the karma ingredients were removed. It’s just too common with not a lot of use.

I am not sure how profficient you are at cooking but cinnamon is only used in 2 lvl 400 recipes.

Don’t forget pumpkin pie spice – still it seems to me like something that will eventually get corrected and it’s dirt cheap.

Yay, even though its only an intermediate ingredient, its used in a lvl 400 recipe.
To be honest, i have no idea what cooking 500 will need most. Stocks seem to be a good bet, as well as omnomberries. For cooking as well as jeweling, i dont think that the big profit will be in the mats needed to lvl to 500, it will be the mats that will be required for time gated crafting afterwards. I have a good guess what it will be for jeweller but i have no idea for cooking and I am a professional chef in real life. I do pretty good on the tp but i wouldnt dare to speculate on cooking ingredients. Over 70 lvl 400 recipes to get you to 500, i doubt that any ingredient will make you as rich as buying the right jeweller items.
there is only 2 opinions i can offer towards cooking 500:

If John Smith makes slabs of red meat valuable at the rate of Dollies being killed without Devon fidling around, i will personally walk across the Atlantic Jesus style and the north american continent to shake his hand and check out if his grill isnt bigger than Colins smile.

And whoever decided to buy up all onions on the tp shortly after release: You are my hero and inspiration, because you had the balls to buy up the whole supply of a material commonly farmed. Thanks for doing the neccessary field work for my profit on the tp today.

Zaxares.5419:

I’d be happy for you to send me a constant supply of 10,000 copper coins every day so that I can be thoroughly educated in how wrong I am.

You’re actually on the same server as my old guild! (Was never on Aurora myself, sadly. My friends in that guild are mostly EU, and at the hours I play, it made more sense for me to be on a US server.)

If you are not on my server, all you gonna get is 26 stacks of Bloin laid upon you in wvw. NA server? Aint you lucky.

Zaxares.5419:

Not really. I just go to WvW Borderlands which has all the crafting stations, a BL trader, and a Laurel merchant. The one thing that’s missing is a Guild Bank NPC, but I hardly ever use that thanks to my pimped out Bank storage anyway.

If you can freely craft on your home BL without being shout at or me throwing copper coins at you, I dont want to play wvw with you.

Zaxares.5419:

Wanze.8410:

Zaxares.5419:

Maybe it’s ultra-rich players like Wanze having a “generous day” the way visiting royalty would throw coins to the peasants?

I throw copper coins all day long at people from inside the Royal Terrace, so they shut up in map chat.

You must not be on Tarnished Coast. This tactic would NEVER shut up the roleplayers in DR. (Not that I’d want them to. I enjoy the life roleplayers breathe into the world. )

You underestimate my supply of copper coins by quite a margin.

Aurora Glade, btw, EU.

Zaxares.5419:

This does feel like a shady advertising tactic to me, although I agree that any TP trader/user worth his salt isn’t going to fall for it. I’d like John Smith to comment on this if he can though; is this something ANet supports/frowns on as it masks legitimate demand and therefore prevents the TP page from displaying genuine information to players?

I doubt that JS will comment on this. As he is tight lipped anyways and has to be, he usually doesnt comment if the right answer or comment has already been provided to a topic/question by a community member.

Becka Williams.4978:

All you have to do to avoid paying to waypoint home is: go to wvw, wait for that to load. Then, take the asuran portal to lions arch. Wait for that to load. Then waypoint for free to the asuran gates. Wait for that to load. Then enter the asuran gate for the city you want to go to. Wait for that to load. Then waypoint to your home instance for free. Wait for that to load. Then go into your home instance. See, it’s simple!

Purchasing the Royal pass seems mighty good right about nw, doesnt it?

On topic, never underestimate the stupity of drunk players conducting impulsive buyouts during the weekend. I have sold rare greatswords for over 1g in bulk far too often.

Zaxares.5419:

Maybe it’s ultra-rich players like Wanze having a “generous day” the way visiting royalty would throw coins to the peasants?

The other possibility I can think of is that if it’s a level 20 weapon, that’s precisely where an alt would be if they used a Lvl 20 Experience scroll. Wealthy/veteran players who are rolling alts use the scroll, and now need to equip the alt appropriately, just dump large sums of gold on level 20 gear since 1g is almost peanuts to them.

I throw copper coins all day long at people from inside the Royal Terrace, so they shut up in map chat.

The Ore Node is the closest to a pay to win item in the gem store yet. All people reasoning that gem store items are not worth the gold to convert to gems miss the point entirely as this was never intended.

However, Anet cant or will not control the prices of copper, silver and gold ore making any debate about when purchasing this item becomes profitable when farmed every day obsolete.

I updated my OP with competition rules. There was a short confusion about hours played to be eligible. It will be 1500 hours and not 2000.
Scarlet kinda made me dizzy, someone go kill her please.

Vol.7601:

Sorry, only died 2881 times

#tankguardian

slacker

#royalterraceresident

Ayrilana.1396:

Wanze.8410:

Ayrilana.1396:

You won’t see Jeweler or Cooking until late spring or early summer.

Southern or Northern Hemisphere?

Northern. You can assume this is most cases as over 90% of the world population resides there.

To give a proper answer on topic, i honestly think that jeweler and cooking will come at the end of march. Colin stated that LS season1 will conclude on march 4th followed by a short break for the staff. and after that a mayor content update will hit and i fully expect it to include jeweler and cooking 500.

In an economic point of view it would make sense to decide to place all asc crafting patches 4 months apart from each other, so march/april is a reasonable timeframe.

The population of the world living in the northern hemisphere is 88%, not 90% btw.

Gray Fox.9178:

I understand the housing gameplay part of your buying process, but praytell, what is convenient about paying to waypoint to your home in order to mine these ores? How many ores? Won’t it take eternity to make the cost justified?

Again, how you manage to pay waypoint costs towards your home instance in any mayor city is beyond me. Same goes for your expectation to buy any ptw items on the gem store.

Gray Fox.9178:

Basic Ore Node Pack
Cost: 58.56 Gold or $10
Justifiable cost is unthinkable. Waypoint cost alone makes the mind boggle.
__________________________________________________________________

Its mind boggling how you manage to accumulate waypoint costs towards a home instance while its free.

Yay! Another gem buyer who thinks he is entitled to ptw items on the gem store.

Those items are not ment to save you gold in the short run, they are meant to be convenient. And how you can put a price tag on the nodes without knowing the future price of gold and silver ores is beyond me.

#firstworldproblems

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Swiftness

And i honestly think that people like you should own a desk

Pandemoniac.4739:

Zaxares.5419:

Yeah, if I were to speculate on cooking mats, I’d go for the ones at or near vendor prices and that match a theme.

Cinnamon Sticks seem like a prime candidate to me.

Chocolate bars and sticks of butter have recovered from the great cookie ingredient deluge, but cinnamon has been in the dumps ever since the karma ingredients were removed. It’s just too common with not a lot of use.

I am not sure how profficient you are at cooking but cinnamon is only used in 2 lvl 400 recipes.

Buttercup.5871:

Additional demand of 1 extra million here or there can be faked in a few clickies by third party programs.

Demand figures mean absolutely nothing these days. Do not be fooled by fake demand creation and removal. It can literally be created and removed by one guy pushing a few buttons.

You cannot fake though, the 2million sell listings for silver ore that went down to 200k between christmas and new years unless only one person had them all listed at pulled the sell listings. In that case, it would matter, if he bought them all in the first place.

The Royal Terrace in DR is such a place but you had to pay gems for access and it is currently not available. If you dont need a mystic forge, i would suggest Rata Sum or Ebonhawke, both are more convenient than LA.

danielrjones.8759:

And yes imo there is way more market manipulation going on that what many realize. I see it day after day. Sometimes nothing major but so very obvious.

I beg to differ. Prices are being driven by the general public most of the time. Even or especially in high value markets, you will never be able to control a market as most of the supply of any profitable item will be stored in account storage and not the tp, making the majority of the supply not available to the public.

Mad Rasputin.7809:

The Bazaar was a big hit with most players. No reason to wait a full year to bring back that event as it is not a holiday.

I could see it coming around twice a year easily.

With only LS updates until march 4th and an announced break after that as well as a focussed content update after it, i dont see the Zephyrites making another appearance before 1 year after their first appearance and Dragon Bash coming along for the second time.

Ayrilana.1396:

You won’t see Jeweler or Cooking until late spring or early summer.

Southern or Northern Hemisphere?

Lord Kuru.3685:

Could it be a stealth update on the Ugly Stick (and maybe other items as well) instead of RNG?

Did you download an update to the client in the last 5 weeks? I didnt.

morrolan.9608:

It was done for 1 reason only, because there were large stockpiles of silk. Of course this was short term thinking, and makes it extremely hard for those who didn’t have the required amount stored.

The recipe should have been similar to other ascended recipes and they do something about the rate at which it drops.

it was short term thinking of all the monks that promoted all their silk to gossamer prior to patch, thinking they make a bargain on their skill points.

Protoavis.9107:

TP

I invest around 100g a day and get around a 10g – 20g a day return, I could easily invest more and get more of a return but I don’t even spend 1g daily so I don’t see it being worth my time since that 100g investment see’s me get whatever I want.

Having said that, with your current 14g, you’re better off doing the dailies (dungeon runs, world boss rare chests) or aggressively investing (ie park yourself at the trading post for hours on end) until you have enough to just do the daily investment over 15 minutes each day.

30% of Return of interest is a good average for me for daily flipping, which i dont do much, 10-20% for casual players is quite good and as you mentioned, covers your fees and you dont need more. I have more than 30k gold stored in assets but rarely invest more than 300-500g at a time as it is the limit of investment for items i can monitor on a profitable basis. I know i can make hundreds or thousands of gold every day with legal API directed spreadsheets, i dont bother and prefer to trade manually.

Vargamonth.2047:

Wanze.8410:

Vargamonth.2047:

Wanze.8410:

Vargamonth.2047:

9176 Deaths
2676 hours 508 days

Please post a screenshot of you unrivaled achievement along with your choice of a 800 gems giftable reward or 50 gold.

Your inclusion of 508 days makes your post kinda suspicious.

No reward needed, winnig this competition is honor enough
No, seriously, I’m fairly sure many pure sPvP players will easily beat me :P

Fair enough and i will stand by my word and offer the reward to you, if you please, just pm me. If you forfeit your reward, i will donate 50g to our guild bank, as we do guild lotteries on a general basis.

As i said before i dont do much pvp (lvl 15) and was wondering where my high death ratio came from.

Cheers,

I’m OK with your guild receiving those 50g
Being able to show the fruits of my suicidal tendencies is enough reward for me

If you manage to make the thread remain on first page for some time, someone will beat me by a good margin.
Over 3 deaths an hour is not hard to achieve; in fact, it’s almost ensured in sPvP (not even talking about solo tries, SAB tribulation mode without guides, WvW solo roaming on superhero mode, Light Up the Darkness and a lot more).

What is this Light Up the Darkness mode you speak of? I want to die faster in wvw but Commander Sird and Caic are too good to let me.

Theftwind.8976:

I have 9 level 80’s but for my main, a Guardian..

Age 1,908 hours on him with 3,705 hours between all toons
Deaths on the Guardian 3,577 by far the worst

92 hours to be eligible.

Wanze.8410:

Doggie.3184:

My little Thief~ not as high. Maybe it’s cuz I have Ninja Vanish.
Or cuz ppl fear the silly hat.

Active in PvE and WvW a lot, used to do SPvP a lot on him till I discovered Warrior easymode.

Just wait for the next balance patch:

Elite Warrior Shout: Kitten off!!!

Makes every player in stealth mode disconnect and uninstall the game.

Range: Map wide

CD: 20s

Heals for 4k AoE btw.

Doggie.3184:

My little Thief~ not as high. Maybe it’s cuz I have Ninja Vanish.
Or cuz ppl fear the silly hat.

Active in PvE and WvW a lot, used to do SPvP a lot on him till I discovered Warrior easymode.

Just wait for the next balance patch:

Elite Warrior Shout: Kitten off!!!

Makes every player in stealth mode disconnect and uninstall the game.

Range: Map wide

CD: 20s

Rising Dusk.2408:

Wanze, you should do more competitions like this! It’s cool seeing mini-competitions like this on the official forums since I can’t really enjoy the fansites. It’s also cool to have competitions that aren’t bloody RNG lotteries. I never had a chance at winning this one, but it was neat seeing it anyway.

Thanks for the positive feedback, alot of credit goes to Varga for claiming the title first and not insisting on the price and Harbinger, who holds the belt right now, i guess.

For me, it just was a way to find out, if i am just a mediocre player and from where my death/hour was coming from. As hardcore spvp guys will propably claim the price, i dont mind to run this competition until the end of January. Same rules, at least 2000 hours played on the character and highest ratio of deaths/hour wins. Harbinger will have to supply another screenshot with his age to be eligible for this one and Varga can expect a little gift around Valentines or St Patties Day, whatever he prefers.

jheryn.8390:

Mimizu.7340:

jheryn.8390:

Mimizu.7340:

obviously nobody will admit to buying gold from goldsellers and will create a suitable cover story.

saying you got it flipping or from mystic forge or pure luck or dungeon grinding etc.

i take all such stories with a pinch of salt.

Cynical and jaded much? I report every gold seller that solicits. That kind of crap ruins the economy of the game. Some of us actually get more gold by either luck or working hard to make it. Most of my guildmates have money because we constantly do dungeons and flip on the TP. I would think most people who buy gold wouldn’t rear their heads on this thread.

nice cover

Should I have said jealous and lazy instead? Apparently you cannot make gold on your own so you accuse others of buying it. That is OK. Think what you want.

More than likely, you are one of those that actually buys gold and thinks everybody else does the same because you do. Ego I guess.

Being in game since pre release, i bought about 30,000 gems with gold, never spend any real money in game except the initial purchase.

Romek.4201:

go buy more – my last 20k ingots for the masses is on 2s (35% win^^)

I am not sure when you bought your ingots but 35% ROI (Return of Interest) is something i go for in daily flipping and not in medium or long term investments.

Buttercup.5871:

So in essence people need a third party program to see through the deception.

No. The TP shows you the highest 20 buy orders. In high value/low velocity items, it doesnt matter how much listings have been posted at 1c because they will never get filled. It is actually the 3rd party program, that delivers the deception.

I bought the Poking Stick for 8g around christmas to gift it to my favourite gay member of our guild. I didnt care about the money and think that homophobia is gay.
http://www.gw2spidy.com/item/30044

Vargamonth.2047:

Wanze.8410:

Vargamonth.2047:

9176 Deaths
2676 hours 508 days

Please post a screenshot of you unrivaled achievement along with your choice of a 800 gems giftable reward or 50 gold.

Your inclusion of 508 days makes your post kinda suspicious.

No reward needed, winnig this competition is honor enough
No, seriously, I’m fairly sure many pure sPvP players will easily beat me :P

Fair enough and i will stand by my word and offer the reward to you, if you please, just pm me. If you forfeit your reward, i will donate 50g to our guild bank, as we do guild lotteries on a general basis.

As i said before i dont do much pvp (lvl 15) and was wondering where my high death ratio came from.

Cheers,