Guild Wars 2

Amir.1570:

Eurantien.4632:

The ONLY time ranger is overpowered is when people don’t understand how to play the game.

And here it comes, a typical ranger main telling us that Ranger is an L2P issue.

He forgets the fact that Ranger baits out dodges easy because attacks are easy to land and pet baits dodges too while you can’t count Ranger dodges.
He forgets the fact that Ranger has protection on dodge when they DO get hit by something.
And when the ranger is getting condi bursted or spiked? They pop signet of renewal and/or signet of stone.
They also have kittened mobility for an evade spam class.

Keep defending your class. Ranger class takes no skill and will always be effective no matter how good other players are. I bet you enjoy bragging about your accomplishments as a ranger when truth is people who play ranger are probably one of the most illiterate people that you’ll see.

TL;DR People play ranger because it’s so easy to play and that they fail at classes which need actual thought process.

How do you “see” illiterate people? Also, if Rangers cannot read, then everyone responding to you must be other classes…., or they have some hawt chick reading it to them…cuz…that’s just how Rangers roll. We are the jocks of GW2. Enjoy Chess club!

A generalization is cruise control for intelligence. Everybody knows that..it could be a Geico commercial.

Impact.2780:

Wintersnight.3061:

oRNG came back and won. Period. They had the players with the best skill. They were able to switch out professions to counter what TCG did. TCG had the same opportunities to switch out and counter…they were not able to do that. This was for serious money – they both brought the best they could do…unfortunately for TCG, they couldn’t “counter-comp” as well as oRNG this time.

Why did TCG split up anyway? Did they get in a disagreement regarding the direction of the team or something?

One can just as easily argue that, were it not for the disconnects and bugs oRNG wouldn’t have won despite their counter comping, and, in WTS there won’t be a double elimination so they won’t have the time to fiddle around to find the right comp to beat them with; it’ll come down to pre-tournament planning, individual skill on the chosen classes, knowledge of those classes working together, collective strategic ability, and ability to make critical decision and strategic changes during matches instead of before the next match.

words words words….oRNG won, TCG lost. I bet Helseth and Sizer wish they didn’t break up with ROM and crew now.

all in all, ROM is Messi level.

Impact.2780:

Come back? It was double elimination which is great for a team that changes their comp every map to find a counter to their opponents. They got beaten fairly, then won after the introduction of lag, two TCG disconnects over two games and in the third a stuck bug – each while TCG arguably had the upper hand – and finally a massive mistake by TCG cost them their place which it wouldn’t have if not for the losses resulting from the bad luck in the previous games.

All oRNG did was show they have more reliable computers and internet connection, and that comp wars/build wars is apparently completely fine during a tournament that big. Of course, at WTS personal computer/connection doesn’t come into play. EU just lost our best chance at winning WTS.

oRNG came back and won. Period. They had the players with the best skill. They were able to switch out professions to counter what TCG did. TCG had the same opportunities to switch out and counter…they were not able to do that. This was for serious money – they both brought the best they could do…unfortunately for TCG, they couldn’t “counter-comp” as well as oRNG this time.

Why did TCG split up anyway? Did they get in a disagreement regarding the direction of the team or something?

Chaith.8256:

Wintersnight.3061:

No one really cares. It’s boring. You either run the same Cele team that the abjured run and try to win the boring sustain game, or play for 2nd place.

This week at the Go4: Both teams run Thief. Both teams run a Cele Engi roamer. Both teams run two Cele pointholders. DoD Runs DPS Ele and Abjured runs Condi Necro

DPS Ele Sustain > Condi Necro sustain.

You are actually wrong, there is no way that Abjured can be construed to be running a higher sustain comp than DoD. Especially because DoD brings a Battle Standard elite. Confirmed you just associate winning with cheesing, ‘sustain’, and meta abuse, while you don’t really know what either team is doing well. Kappa.

Wintersnight.3061:

Dodge or Die got close in Legacy mid ( a burst friendly map), then couldn’t beat the sustain and got 3 capped.

Actually, it was more like: DoD played extremely well, and aggressive, starting to snowball hard, early game, and then Abjured played extremely aggressive and snowballed harder, late game.

#Public enemy #1

I didn’t say anything about cheese or abuse or anything like that. I said that watching the 2 Cele ele + 1 Cele Engi is boring to watch. and it is. also, I said that a lot of other people don’t like watching it either…and they dont. People watching the matches have dropped…it’s boring. 2 dps/ 3 sustain is boring to watch.

If you can’t admit that 2 cele ele / engi is a better sustain than the war/engi/ele sustain, then ok

And it wasn’t your aggressive play that won that mid fight, Muffins made 1 little mistake and left the fight to go decap far, leaving a 3 (zoose was rezzing too) v 4 while Toker was rezzing….so they didn’t have any dps…but because you have better sustain and both eles had 9 to 12 stacks of might throughout, DoD got wiped.

2 Cele Eles and 1 Engi have better sustain and power/condis then other sustain classes. If there were better options, your team would be running it.

You are a sustain team to say anything else is belittling your accomplishments. You’re team isn’t a bunker team or a glass team…it is built around sustaining your teammates and whittling down the other team as you build up your might stacks and keep weakness on them with Poison blasting by 4 different players with CDs on those blasts in the teens.

Beast.6745:

What teams are in? Follow up question..how would you seed them?

No one really cares. It’s boring. You either run the same Cele team that the abjured run and try to win the boring sustain game, or play for 2nd place. Watching DoD vs The Dankening is fun to watch…mistakes are crushed and games sway on those mistakes or poor leadership. But when it comes to the finals, the sustain is so forgiving to mistakes – you know it’s over before it begins.

Every week I feel like Lucy and the football in the Charlie Brown cartoon. I thought finely someone can beat the sustain. Dodge or Die got close in Legacy mid ( a burst friendly map), then couldn’t beat the sustain and got 3 capped.

CureForLiving.5360:

Vixena.3821:

I have been verbally abused every single day that I’ve been playing that ranger. I never received so much harassment on my warrior, engineer, or mesmer. It’ll happen at least once and up to five times per day that I’m doing spvp. I’ve had to report so many people over the past week. What I find interesting is that it is often coming from players who have the Legendary Champion title.

…… lately I’ve just been putting my guild chat on and ignoring map and team chat. That tends to work for me.

What is your in-game name. so I can say in /say to tell you to turn your team chat on. If you are playing in games where your teammates aren’t pinging the map and calling out incs and strats…. then you should take it upon yourself to do it. Your rank will dramatically improve. Most people here are looking for leadership in the game as long as you do it nicely and not as an elitist.

I wish you all the best in your future gaming endeavors,

Cindy Lou Who, the Bestest Who in Whoville

Rejerh.1784:

I think that sums it all…
The Ranger does it all, including crits down a whole life bubble half way through the map… maybe someone should have done something by now…
It seems logic that a profession that is very (i think this is a complete understatement) good from afar should be mediocre or bad at cac, well no, it hits as hard remove all conditions and more. On top of it, it gets stability for some crazy long time, gets most of the boons and puts down all (or almost) conditions. And if that was not enough, when you are 1vs1 on the ground cause of a close fight, you cannot kill him/her cause of the pet regen… Sure they are killable sometimes, but maybe too much is just too much and someone should say something.
Most of the maps are widely open and you can just get spanked (or at least mid life) from a ranger before even getting to him/her.
Personally, I think this is enough and things should change, I am not enjoying this anymore, sure the regen of the war and the elem is over powered but at least you get to survive and play.
Thank you for doing something about this.

This is completely true. The Abjured asked me 5 times to be on their team so they could enjoy my LEET Power Ranger dominance. I said no, because they only play boring, non-OP Cele DDs and kitten like that. Their scrubs and not good enough to keep up with my OP greatness.

TCG even asked me to move across the pond to join their team…begged me in fact. Alas, I said no because I’m too lazy to move over there. And besides…I could most likely win EU from over here….the range on my Ranger is just that good.

DoD …well….they don’t have any popular/skillful players so no way.

The Dankening I turned down because I don’t have time time to Danken anymore, so they picked up Euratien, the only other Power Ranger in the game. And they now have moved up to 2nd place every week….obviously carried by Eura. He just tells them to sit in mid and #2s ( I mean that both ways) all over the Mid point and Far point at the same time.

Since these teams are playing for real money, they know that the Power Ranger is key to their victory and making money in the game….that is why they are so desperate to have either Eura or Me, the greatest Who in Whoville to play on their team.

Maybe someone else can learn Power Ranger…I heard ROM after finding out I wouldn’t play with them is starting to try out Power Ranger so his team can findly win a match.

If you are going to switch to ESDF, put a piece of duck tape or something over the F to help build your memory…once you get use to it, you can take off the tape and the braille bump is good enough to know where your index finger needs to be so you never have to look down.

Maxwell.7843:

Hello everyone.

I use Shift to switch weapon. This makes highlighting (the red circle) a position on the minimap problematic, because most of the times I need to highlight a spot for my team to see I don’t want to switch weapon.

Is there a way to bind that action (highlighting on the minimap) to Ctrl?

Change your movement keys to ESDF instead of WASD. It will give you A as your weapon swap. I changed to this set up in WoW and it is a little bit quicker because the Braille bar on F helps you orient without looking in case your fingers have to move off the keys for any reason

I agree, there was a lot to look forward to with The Dankening. The thing that I thought was most telling was, you guys had a better Shot Caller than DoD. Pulling everyone back to home when you were about to far cap was gutsy and turned the game in your favor. /tiphat to whoever made that call.

Best match to watch was you and DoD. Watching Abjured is not as fun. Not knocking those guys, they have put in the practice. It’s just watching Cele Ele right now is bleh.

Watching DoD and Dankening try new stuff was fun to watch.

Eura,

congrats on representing the Rangers with The Dankening
http://www.twitch.tv/guildwars2/b/612933486

Looking back, do you still feel that the 662 LB/GS was best choice against The Abjured or would 606 or 6006 LB/ s/x offered a better choice.

Watching you and Supcutie… a lot of synergy potential there. I’m looking forward to seeing as you two get comfortable with each other.

1 Question. @1:10:08 you and rocketry did a PBS->Mag Pull-> Rapid Fire on Zoose which blew him up. Was that a “Called Out” Nuke or did Rocketry just happen to do Mag Pull during your combo?

Chaith.8256:

With the introduction of the new 60 second grace period for unranked and ranked tPvP, that essentially means that character swapping is back on the table.

I think profession locking is a good thing overall, provided that the matchmaking prevented a high frequency of duplicate professions per side.

That matchmaking feature was not functioning to the satisfaction of the playerbase. The matchmaking needed to be working as advertised to prevent being locked in to running 3 Thieves, for example. It’s good that it’s disabled for the time being.

Looking to the future:

• Potential abuse in unranked queue via voting Skyhammer and swapping to a Skyhammer build.

• Counter comping. Due to seeing the enemy professions & names on the scoreboard.

Suggestion

• Add feature to Custom Arenas called: Pre-Game Privacy

• Feature would hide the enemy team names & professions on the scoreboard with a key & lock icon, still revealing if they’d hit ‘ready’ though.

• Pre-Game Privacy would be forced in unranked/ranked tPvP, and of course optional in Custom Arenas so scrims and in-house competitions could function organically.

Quite simply, allowing character swapping, but not providing the tPvPers with information on their enemies – this will promote building a well balanced, functional comp, without the Build Wars 2.0 feel. All will be revealed after the 10 second game-start warning takes place.

I would do this, if tournaments ran the same way. At the end of the day, I want Ranked to be the same training as tournaments.

If we knew who the people were on the other team, but couldn’t see their class – that would be ideal in my opinion.

no, I was just being cheeky – I take it to mean that we have 30 seconds to switch toons in the beginning

It is needed – sometimes matchmaking doesn’t work and you get 3 thieves…or 3 pew pew Rangers….now, if you accidentally on purpose dc, you can switch and not get a penalty.

If we DC during those 30 seconds…can we come back as a different character?

can we come back as a different character during those 30 seconds?

Jim Hunter.6821:

FrownyClown.8402:

Jim Hunter.6821:

If you catch a thief at range you can take out the bulk of their health before they ever land a hit on you. If they do close the gap the GS is a fantastic weapon for fighting a thief. Catch them with counter attack, swoop, hilt bash, maul, wolf fear, swap to bow and pbs, then finish them off with rapid fire.
I rarely see a thief running more than 1 stun break, once you draw that out it’s pretty easy to chain cc and burst them down with maul/rapid fire.

Of course in pvp a thief will rarely engage someone 1v1 and sword/dagger thieves are much harder to lock down, so running condi is a much better choice for ranked matches. Longbow is still plenty of fun in unranked and WvW where thieves think stealth spam makes them immortal.

lb can still be very good in ranked. It just relies on your allies coming to your aid whenever you are focused. Longbow gets better when you have good teammates. I use s/d so its a bit harder for my to win vs thieves. I changed up my utility to include lightning reflexes and i can now beat them 50% of the time.

I’ve run longbow in ranked, I would play the role of the thief, running between points and +1ing fights. On Foefire a ranger is fantastic for this, but other maps where mesmers and thieves can use vertical ports to navigate the map the longbow ranger falls short.

I run LB/SB ( sometimes A/T) in
Legacy – We’re Great
Forrest – Good
Khylo – ok as long as the enemy didn’t treb the side buildings so you can climb to the 2nd story without having to run to the stairs.
Storm – ok

The big issue for me is that I can’t switch out my character if those maps are chosen. It’s an auto-DC and -3 points so…/sadpanda

One does not simply crush thieves as a LB Ranger. Skilled Melee Rangers, traited for remove blind /protection on dodge can hold their own. At that point, it’s skill & position that determines that fight.

With LB – If I see them at ranged first, they’re dead. If they close on me before I see them, if they are skilled – i’m dead as a 662 LB Ranger. If they are not skilled – I can hold my own but not make any mistakes and come out a draw or win depending on how aggressive they are.

Vicariuz.1605:

Now I have to give credit where it’s due, the team who initiated and completed the design of GW2 PvP were GODSENDS, they created a virtual playground with so many possibilities it is staggering. This combat system IS the best on the market, what it has been over-laid with is the bottom of the barrel and neglect; and it is a very real and very serious problem. This can been seen through the lack of PvP community this game has, where there aren’t even enough people in a queue to evenly distribute.

I will continue to play, albeit VERY sparingly, with 100% dedication to a “Sink or Swim” mentality. I will do my VERY best to make people question leaving their spawn or even better, question staying in the server, in the hope (there’s that word again) that change will take place, in a time frame that I may still have the dexterity to operate a keyboard/mouse.

Almost forgot to add why I wish I PvP’d; I wish it was because it was fun, because it was rewarding, because it fulfilled my competitive nature. I wish I PvP’d because the guild I came to GW2 with still played and played to win. And in closing, I wish I PvP’d because I wanted to be the best.

Now here’s the question I was asked, and will in turn ask others:
Why do you pvp?

I am curious – what is your characters name?

Why I pvp? Simple answer, I like to compete. Ranked is where the best competition is generally.

You, beating up on noobs in hotjoin is not competition. Most people are down in hotjoin because they are either brand new, or they are trying out new classes/specs. Either way, they do not have the twitch memory to fight a high level player and win. So you are in essence, the school yard bully…nothing more. You are not teaching anyone anything down in hotjoin except to hate things as much as you do.

When I do go down to hotjoin and am practicing a new class/spec…I too chase the best player in the match… but mine is to figure out the sequences and build my twitch. then I’m back out and into Ranked – the difference in competition is very noticeable.

It kind of sucks for you that you have fallen so low. I hope you can pull yourself out of it. I hope you competitive drive and will to win kicks back in and pulls you out of your stupor. You have fallen to the dark side of this game – I hope someone…even Ben Kenobi can save you!

If you want a new experience, try going back to Ranked where you have to be great, which it seems you are, and you have to be a leader which helps communicate with teammates to help them win.

All the Best,

Cindy Lou Who, the Bestest Who in all of Whoville

OzarcTheDefialer.5346:

laokoko.7403:

OzarcTheDefialer.5346:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

laokoko.7403:

I don’t understand the leader board.

Do you ever loss any points for lossing? Else anyone with enough time will be on top of the leader board.

did you read this?
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/finding-the-perfect-match/

“Ladder ranking is now based on points which are awarded by how well you play the game and how challenging that game was. "

refer to the link and the attached image.

to put simply, mike / aaron / backpack ’s team has not been playing a lot of challenging games at all.

i dare say, match prediction says all 99 of their games have a 80-100% chance to win.

Backpack Qs during prime time. He has played and beaten DoD, and literally every other team that is top tier…..

You all say “his games arent competitive, he would lose to harder competition”

Everytime he Qs, he plays the 2nd best group playing at that given time…..

They are going to win, regardless of who they are playing, doesnt that mean something?? Isnt that who should be at the top of the leaderboard? The team that wins regardless of who they are playing?

Ya but you should check other esports games. No one have 100% win ratio. In fact all the top teams range maybe 50-70% wins.

It’s probably not very competitive if some teams manage to win 100 games with no loss.

Like yous said this team is really good, do you think they could guarantee a win in the next GW2 tournament?

and I’m not really directing the topic about Backpack God. There seems to be quite a bunch of teams with really high win ratio. That probably shouldn’t happen if it is competitive.

Backpack plays with Abjured, The best team in the game.. They won last WTS, and they win every ESL weekly, and they will definately go to PAX east WTS where they have an extremely good chance of winning again. No team on NA, including the second best team (DoD) is even close…

You either need to get off his sack, or have the courage to come here and speak as yourself. Either way, you’re less than impressive.

You want to impress people, go to Soloq and carry a team like Ostrich does.

Ithilwen.1529:

The supposition that rangers aren’t wanted on top teams is not a legitimate argument for increased power.

Rather it’s an indictment of the behaviour and game play of rangers.

LOL – ROM plays a Ranger..but it’s not viable in tournaments…………………….so he plays his shoutbow warrior instead.

Top teams play for money – they do not care about “behavior,” they want to win – period. You, do not understand that.

Secondly, a LB Ranger is not a sniper in this game………..at all. So far, you have offered nothing here except your Sidelines Opinions.

Congrats, the only thing you can accomplish in this game is to get people to respond to your posts. +1

Jim Hunter.6821:

Wintersnight.3061:

Jim Hunter.6821:

Tribio.8531:

Jim Hunter.6821:

GS or S/x would be a thousand times better. They offer multiple evades, better mobility for repositioning, GS has a nice long block, and they allow you to fight in melee range. If you are fighting a thief, medi guard, or someone else that is constantly porting to you and running through you to break your projectiles you are going to die without a melee weapon.

Ranger has tons of vigor, SB#3 is natural evade, SB’s autoattack puts bleeds, which in turn triggers the condi removal of the opponent.. I had the pleasure of battling a medi guard earlier this week actually, and I made quick work of him with my ranged weapons.. (he spent most of the time trying to run/teleport to me instead of actually swinging his weapon)..

I do know (so agree there somehow with you) that not having a melee weapon kinda limits my play style.. But it’s not at all a “certain death” setup, trust me..
I have piercing arrows, so that works like a charm with a dual bow setup..

To each his/her own play style, of course!

Since the longbow buff I have been seeing more and more people running traits and skills to reflect, block, or destroy projectiles and like I said before, smart players will run through you to break your ranged attacks. I just can’t support a full ranged build. It might be okay in a 1v1 but like you said, you melt when you are focused.

I’m not saying you need to change, play however you want, but you probably shouldn’t recommend duel bows to other people.

I use LB/SB in pvp and do pretty well with it. I like to Kite, and it’s the best weapon set for it. the other option would be (for me) axe/torch for kiting.

I find it odd that there is even an argument about this. GS or S/x has way more mobility and kiting ability through evades and leaps. Players going 100% ranged are limiting themselves.

Not sure what to tell you – I do very well with the way I have set up my toon.

I wish you all the best in your gaming adventures!

ArrDee.2573:

My frand! You say you can read, but if you actually read the other posts that I made, you’ll find that nobody said anything about 1v1’s! The best arenas are 2v2/3v3 on a small map! Not Courtyard! Courtyard is poorly implemented deathmatch! Arenas are different! Arenas are 2v2/3v3 on a small map with the objective being to slay the other team! It require way more skillz than conquest! If you die, that’s it! Courtyard is too large of a map and 5v5 is too many people! It just ends up an aoe spamfest! Gosh it stinks to repeat yourself over and over!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

I’d be all over 2v2 or 3v3 arenas…god was I addicted to those in wow.

Drakril.4058:

When I hear the word “Mobility” I think beyond just straight up speed. The ability to move around a map in/out of combat defines mobility to me. Rangers have 2 leaps, 1 disengage, stealth, stabs and immunity to damage. For a class that can burst 50% of your health at 1200+ range in no time it seems a bit ridiculous to give them any further advantage to maintain that 1200 range. (unfortunately if you do not play the meta which is all longbow you will be sacrificing a great deal since the class was built this way… but you have to love the challenge!)

More so, some classes have to sacrifice important utilities to gain the extra speed… how often do you see a Ranger who is running a bird? like never? they always seem to have the Canine with fear/knockdown. If you really wanted swiftness, bring along a bird and you can always guarantee swiftness 50% of the time plus other skills to bring it closer to 100%

I for one am just fine leaving Rangers just where they are (unless you want to nerf longbow then I’m up to revise the entire class).

The issue to me is that the damage is workable in high levels, it’s just the ancillary things are missing or not viable in a LB build. A LB build is suppose to be a +1 fighter with kiting. Right now, they don’t compete in either area

If you wanted to get High Skill LB Rangers into teams (post cele nerf) then you need to add skill things such as:

SB evade back needs to double in length – far too short
mud trap needs to take away the 3/4 second wind up before the animation.
Stow Weapon trick should work for Rangers like it does for Warriors – we can’t juke CDs
Mud Trap should have be a smoke or dark finisher
LR should be considered a Leap or phase retreat –
Entangle should be a Blast

those are my thoughts for a LB Ranger.

Jim Hunter.6821:

Tribio.8531:

Jim Hunter.6821:

GS or S/x would be a thousand times better. They offer multiple evades, better mobility for repositioning, GS has a nice long block, and they allow you to fight in melee range. If you are fighting a thief, medi guard, or someone else that is constantly porting to you and running through you to break your projectiles you are going to die without a melee weapon.

Ranger has tons of vigor, SB#3 is natural evade, SB’s autoattack puts bleeds, which in turn triggers the condi removal of the opponent.. I had the pleasure of battling a medi guard earlier this week actually, and I made quick work of him with my ranged weapons.. (he spent most of the time trying to run/teleport to me instead of actually swinging his weapon)..

I do know (so agree there somehow with you) that not having a melee weapon kinda limits my play style.. But it’s not at all a “certain death” setup, trust me..
I have piercing arrows, so that works like a charm with a dual bow setup..

To each his/her own play style, of course!

Since the longbow buff I have been seeing more and more people running traits and skills to reflect, block, or destroy projectiles and like I said before, smart players will run through you to break your ranged attacks. I just can’t support a full ranged build. It might be okay in a 1v1 but like you said, you melt when you are focused.

I’m not saying you need to change, play however you want, but you probably shouldn’t recommend duel bows to other people.

I use LB/SB in pvp and do pretty well with it. I like to Kite, and it’s the best weapon set for it. the other option would be (for me) axe/torch for kiting.

From here. http://www.gw2score.com/PvP just put in your Ithilwen.1529 under NA. If you like, you can look back at the pre-patch numbers too. You play a lot of hotjoin which is not where the competition happens for Rangers – except Quickcry who plays down there a lot – but he’s melee so it’s not on what we are speaking about. You think top level players who are playing for real money give a kitten about excessive trolling, bandwagon stuff? I wish you all the best in your gaming here at GW2.

PS, if you ever see a bearbow ranger – he’s faceroll for you. Kill him and mount his silly bear on your wall of shame.

Ithilwen.1529:

First, the general run of posts assume too high a skill level on the part of average pvp players and therefore distort the issue with meaningless statistics.

The longbow + pet combo is already way overpowered. Ranger has more than enough mobility as it is, the top ranged weapon, traps, frequent access to stealth.

I think it’s shameful that you ask for buffs when you’re overbuffed as it is. I also think it’s pretty lame to pretend you don’t already have a movement speed signet.

you have played a total of 23 Ranked games. 7 wins and 16 losses for a total of 8 points. I understand that in the beginning, a LB Ranger may seem like it’s strong, but once understand how you beat them, they are a wasted slot. This discussion if for tPvP and Rangers need help if anyone is going to want them on the team. As it stands right now – it doesnt work that way.

Do we still lose all points

Justin ODell.9517:

glock.6590:

I’m not sure yet but I think swapping class and winning the game gives no win but it does give a loss if you lose. Is this intended? I switch class when I solo/duo/ trio Q if there’s already a thief just to get a better team comp but it doesn’t count on the leaderboard.

I usually don’t look at the leaderboards because I know its just who plays the most games but I still don’t wanna only accumulate loses because of the bugged system.

Yes. Leaving the game for any reason, including swapping professions, marks you as a deserter and gives you a full loss. A full loss is the same as if your team ended the game with a score of 0.

If dishonor was enabled, you would be getting dishonor for leaving as well.

Then you shouldn’t allow Tournaments to fix their comps and specs while waiting to Ready Up. If your Ranked is the best you’re going to offer – then it needs to be like the Tournaments.

I’ve played High Level Arena Hunter competitively in another game for many years, I’ve now moved over to this game as the only game I play.

There are 4 main issues for a Kiting Ranger in this game.

1. Mud Trap is 3/4 seconds…too long. it needs to be instant cast at point blank range, but have an animation as it travels if being thrown so skilled people can dodge it.
2. No ability to bait dodges without penalty. Warrior can bait cooldowns without putting his cast on full cooldown – Rangers cannot use the “Stow Weapon” trick to bait CDs – if you stow weapon in the middle of the cast, it goes full CD
3. SB needs to evade back double it’s current length.
4. Lightning Reflexes should work like Mesmer Phase Retreat and not be effected by terrain and be able to move back up the ledge.
The Kiting Ranger in this game is too dependent on the positioning for it to ever be considered a threat as a high level.

thanks Ghost! I appreciate it

For Ranked I mean – I thought I read that it would cost you DC. I may be smoking crack on this one…just want to make sure i’m not.

Steaks are so OP………….nerf steak – eat more chkn MOOOOOO

Runewolf.8456:

agreed, as a solo player, I can whoop kitten but still get wrecked cause team doesn’t know how to counter zerging…

then you should learn how to communicate with cats better.

Try to tell people where they should be – where you are going – target people.

Laserbolt.6731:

Why are so many of you insisting that win/loss matters, when the matches we all get are regularly lopsided, and when teams have a clear advantage over solo’ers?

I look at this. Total Points / (wins + losses) = Points per Game Played. the closer to 1.00 the better.

posthumecaver.6473:

you mean watching thieves spamming 2 is more interesting, yeah right, Ele with Engi most complex class to play in this game, I rather watch them all then a Ranger spamming 1, Hambow spamming burst skill, etc…

I’ll tell you what. If I ever saw a Ranger on TCG or CM or 55HPM I would watch it over and over and over. Trying desperately to figure out how the kitten they made a Ranger successful in this patch…………ever!

If you think any of those guys are spamming anything…you are an idiot as well as a fool.

that warrior ROM was getting trained hard at some parts by what looked like the entire team – he was clutch and epic. It was impressive.

that engie was getting trained hard by 3 people at that far point and he was showing why he is on a different plane than others. I haven’t had time to watch it again – so I cannot remember his name.

That Mesmer Helsoth (sp) is the best Kiter I’ve seen in this game. (I’m still newish – maybe there are better, I haven’t seen it yet).

Benjamin.8237:

Rangers and Necromancers with OP builds? You for real? Their builds are very balanced.

Depends what you mean by balanced. Rangers can carry in low level pvp where people don’t know how to shut them down. They are kind of ok in mid tier play. In upper level – they are a waste of a slot. They get shut down so bad and they do not bring anything to the team.

A Ranger must be absolutely perfect with positioning with mediocre ability to kite to a new position. My wish list would be:

A Vertical Movement Utility – which would make us decent in Khylo, Temple, Forrest. It would also make us a threat for decapping sides in Legacy
SB #3 needs to be a larger leap back or a phase like Mesmer, so we can reposition like they do.

Amir.1570:

Ranger is number 1 the most braindead class in the game. Nothing hard about spamming evades while DPS’ing. They just happened to be “unviable” even though they are viable.

People who main ranger generally fail at high skill cap techniques and are borderline mediocre players in general because they are generally spoonfed by how easy spamming dodges while you attack with your pet is; they are used to not putting effort into anything and just gets away with easy things in everything they do.

Hardest builds to play that are truly viable (Some aren’t viable because hard mode): DPS Warrior in general, Thief in general vs. competent team comps, grenade specs on Engi (Arguable, but they’ve always been hard to play since frenzy meta).

Inb4 DPS Warrior just isn’t viable and I’d rather play Shatter. It just shows that people would rather play easy builds over the high risk high reward ones cause of how spoonfed they are with Mesmer or Ranger when talking about DPS.

lol you are obviously a thought leader in this game, do you have a newsletter or blog….I need more of your keen insight.

MakubeC.3026:

I don’t visit the forums too often, but was just curious.
Are there any changes in balance coming to Rangers?

I don’t want to be THAT guy, but come on.

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Don’t give me the git good speech.

I play Ranger – and at lower lvls…it pew pews. But at upper level soloq – it’s not in a good state. It needs help.
They are very easy to shut down. Skilled players in soloq can shut them down fast. Power Rangers can carry in lower level – but in upper levels, they often times need to be carried. Their positioning has to be near perfect and has little room for error in upper level Soloq. They can never turn a fight around like an Engie or Ele or even a Turret.

coglin.1867:

Simon.3794:

I don’t get it,How many thieves are using scorpion wire, you tell me.

5,286 to be exact. Prove me wrong………..(see, I can make unfounded claims as easy as you can when you claim to speak for every high level engineer)

Simon.3794:

Why “it is in meta build and the most used skill in serious play” not a proper justification of it been Superior then other skills.
Im simply comparing it to Scorpion wire, which is what you were doing, not justifing why it should be nerfed.
“We should not nerf this because another skill of another class does the same and it’s not op on that class so we should not touch this either” is only dumb.
why don’t we just reverse dhumm fire and put it on master trait just like IP?

I never compared the skills. I made a functionality comparison. No skill cast can be seen from stealth. If you want one cast animation to be visible from stealth, make them all that way. Do not pick and chose them.

The hypocrisy there is that you play thief and warrior, yet you want other professions blast for stacking might nerfed and ignore warriors ability to blast and stack might. As well you want thieves ability to hide cast animations with stealth ignored but demand it of other professions.

As to dhuum fire. Good luck with that.

Simon.3794:

I don’t speak for them, they speak and i listen. and it is only logical to think that way.

How cute. You actually think it is logical to claim you represent an entire section of the community, and have the authority to speak for them. By the way, how long have you been playing an engineer in high level PvP? I am not even sure you can speak for yourself as a high level engineer, much less the actual ones.

Simon.3794:

Because you use it on the group and not under the enemy for insta trigger.

Yes, I already specified I am in agreeance if we are refering to the actual cast animation themselves. Please, try to keep up.

Simon.3794:

you missed the part where he said “they are not reasonable” without a single argument.

I offered as many arguments of reason as you or the OP did. Both of you simply said “remove one of them” not specifying which one or why it over another.

With respect, what is your in-game name. I could not fine you in leaderboard current or history. I am still newer to this game and am still trying to learn different aspects of the pvp community. I have seen the OP play at the highest level and know that if he writes something in the forums I should consider it seriously (whether or not I buy it after that is different). I have seen Five Gauge play, and I trust his opinion too. You have some very passionate arguments and am trying to understand where you are basing your knowledge from…mid-tier play, high-level play, Hotjoin, Unranked?

Thanks for your time.

Silentshoes.1805:

NeXeD,

I meant that you were theory crafting about player strategy. Inexperienced players with a 0 to 19% chance of winning can’t be cat-herded into such reasonable, strategic behavior, in my experience.

this is absolutely true. I have been in a lot of games were you recognize the people on the other team and know you are going to get stomped by a teamq – you try in the beginning to fight for the 400 points, then try for 300, then…just try to talk people into just thinking about getting 200 points. those games should be on comedy Central…I don’t know what’s more funny to see….Cats Running all over the place…or the dumb kitten (me int his instance) trying to herd them lol

Grump.7069:

I mentioned this suggestion before:
Take into account the largest group size of a team.
5, 4 and 3 man teams are able to be matched up against eachother.
Duos and soloists only against eachother.
What this means is:
311 can face a 5
But 221 can never face a 32 311 41 nor 5.
And 11111 can only face other 11111 1112 or 122. If you add this dynamic into your queue, soloists don’t need their own queue as the queue would pretty much do it automatically, except for using 2s and 1s as fillers for the 3s and 4s.
A 3 man group still stands a chance of doing well against full premade, and even if they don’t succeed the probability will have put them in the 21-39% where even reaching 300 points will ensure they don’t lose points (with 400-499 also rendering a point).

that’s a brilliant idea!

~Cindy Lou Who Loves You!

Rangelost.4857:

Abaddon.2105:

If you know your skill and you understand that arena games are based on cooperation of 5 people, then you would already know that mixing 3+2 or 3+1+1 is not going to work, unless you are lucky.

If by “being lucky”, you mean “having players on my team who don’t go AFK after getting 10 points because all they want is the reward at the end”, then yes.

It doesn’t matter whether it’s a premade team or not. If all five players on a team of soloers are trying their best to communicate and work together, they have a rather good chance at winning. It doesn’t take a PhD in Communications to use the /team chat to call incomings, and glance at the minimap every once in a while.

Sure, a team with vocal communication is going to have an advantage, but that doesn’t mean they are guaranteed to win. They just don’t have to deal with getting saboteurs.

Are you suggesting players should not be able to queue for a PvP match unless they are either alone, or in a party of exactly 5 players?

Teamq with Teamspeak is much, much more than calling out incs and glancing at the minimap. In fact, those two things are the least important.

People use Teamspeak to coordinate the bursts/ stuns/ fears / immobilize and most importantly…to say when they (or the enemy) blew an important cool-down or are about to go down, so the team can group rezz or burst.

That is why teamq is so much different than soloq. In upper level soloq, everyone usually wants to win, but have different opinions on how to get there. To be great at soloq in any game, you have to guess what your enemy is going to do “AND” your teammates. It’s an exercise is skill, leadership and social psychology and a completely different dynamic than Teamq.

If a skilled Teamq loses to a skilled soloq – well…you just gave a lifetime memory to those puggers

~Cindy Lou Who

SobeSoul.6910:

I don’t like seeing Rangers on my team.

Followed by mesmers and thieves.

Reasoning:

1) Rangers do not provide anything to the team that other classes do not do better
2) Mesmers while having fantastic bursts tend have more needs than random teams can provide. Also a lot of mesmers play weird builds that do not do much in pvp. Condi Pu is kinda shrug worthy.
3) Thieves aren’t bad on a team. It’s just most thieves don’t live up to the role they provide in random queues.

I think maybe we are discussing two different things – in Teamq class matters, because skill level is near Expert level, and you have great communication. In Soloq, class matters a lot less – it is a function of who has the least amount of no skills / no communication people on the team.

I have two things that bother me mostly in Soloq (only in Ranked…because the others don’t matter).

I dislike seeing certain people/Teamq on the other team or conversely….certain people on my team. It’s an auto loss or 4v5.

Or low level classes – Most of the time it means they are new.

In Soloq, if you have played with me, I always Hi Team – and then start asking Strategy, if most of the team responses and talks about plans…I know we have a very strong chance of winning…if not…it usually hurts…bad.

Cindy Lou Who

Skullface.7293:

Hey, if you need help with condi or power ranger in high level you can ask me in game about anything. I’m not the most popular ranger currently but I do consider myself as one of the best. Me and my team (Boreal Gaming) are gonna try be there each week to get better as a team during the ESL, so you’ll be able to watch how I play the class.

thanks Skullface – here are my questions.

It’s concerns positioning and/or builds for Khylo (mid) and Forest (mid).
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First Build
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I run the a Power 66020 build with
LB/SB (or Axe/Torch) Air/Battle Leech/Battle
HS/Wild or Renew (depending on other side)/Stone (or SickEm if a lot of stealth on other side)/LR/Ent
Travelers – I know I know.. Move to Pack. After looking at the numbers, there isn’t enough of a difference to me to give up 25% speed in combat and getting to a new position 25% faster.
Pets: Wolf/Owl

We lose a lot of utility in mid due to our pets having to run all the way around in Khylo Mid/Forest Mid. Basically, we lose all pet dps and utility unless we get in bad positions for either map.

I am wondering if switching to add 2 Ground Targeted Traps for those 2 maps may help. If I drop Moment of Clarity for Trapper’s Expertise on those two maps – I can pick up Viper’s Nest and Frost Trap to help my teammates below the ledge.
I would reduce heals and skill recharge rate…plus the added benefit of Poison and Frost combo fields.

If that sounds bad, please let me know. I’m still new-er to the game, especially Ranked (sub 500 games) and trying to learn.

Aaron.2413:

I am 52-0 (mike.4839) in rated team q — 51 points (dc once)
I am currently ranked 180th on the leaderboard.
You wanted this leaderboard to represent skill and effort. I have played 5 games a day and dominated every single one. Yet I am still behind people like Lexcicty who had 100+ points with about 120 wins and 160 loses…
At this point everyone is aware the leaderboards are basically time played. But why are people not being punished more for losing? You guys make it seem like effort is more important than results. Make losses automatic -1 for everyone for starters. And add MMR to the leaderboards. Currently you can win half your games in the lowest MMR bracket and still be rank one….
I don’t understand how these leaderboards represent anything other than who has absolutely nothing to do this winter break…

I would be ok with an automatic -1 if I didn’t have to que against people that are in teamq. teamq is a completely different level than soloq and it wouldn’t be fair at all to have a night where I am playing and I keep getting stuck in soloq facing teamq Heros.

I would like to see rankings of soloq vs team q again. I am much more impressed with someone that can maintain a 70% win rate in soloq than a 70% win rate in teamq and I would watch their Twitch channel and be awed that they could “Herd Cats” better than anyone else in this game. That is a new dynamic of skill that impresses me…….skill and leadership…wow.

Don’t get me wrong…it is cool watching the team dynamics on Twitch. But I would personally rather watch a soloq leader focus a soloq team and win against the odds every time.

~Cindy Lou Who

DaLup.2913:

Wintersnight.3061:

Archaon.9524:

Wintersnight.3061:

Archaon.9524:

Wintersnight.3061:

Hi,

I am looking for high level pvp Rangers to talk to. Are there currently any top 100 people that are Rangers that have Twitch or vids?

It doesn’t matter if they are Teamq or soloq.

~Cindy Lou Who

top 100 in what? Dat leaderboard? …u serious m8?

Yes, I’m serious – are you saying Power Rangers aren’t able to be top 100?

No i’m saying that this top 100 is full of ppl who wouldn’t have been even in first 1000 on old one…so it’s totally pointless…while most of top players like zapdos are in %

Queing up all day and losing half matches is totally different from being good…ppl up there with less than 60% win/loss ratio rofl, i really would like to ask the #1 guy to set up his team for a friendly best of 3 with us on stream

Gonna be fun…you know if it was old one then it would have been CM meaning a pretty sure loss…but now…i don’t even know dat guy

thanks for your input. I like the new system. I"m not sure it is fair to say that baddies can just show up and win 50% of their games. Or even average people. I see that you are EU, but in NA – I’ve played against/with some of the top 10 and they are legit. They are typing out orders telling people what to do and playing to win.

I am still new to taking this pvp seriously in GW2, mostly due to the reset. Before the reset I was trying to dig out of the losses from when I was learning…it was daunting and I was inching my way out of the “Percent” bracket.

I really like the restart and it is making a person like me – a mid-skilled player – really get into this and try to be better….because I have a shot at top 250 now.

Again, thanks for helping me understand this better and any advise you can give to newer players who are trying to break-in to the group would always be welcomed.

Winter it just goes to show that you are apart of the noobs everyone is talking about. The fact that u think those players are “legit” proves that you are not very skilled yourself. They may be “legit” to you, but to most players they are complete trash. I’ve faced many of them and they are nothing compared to the players who should be on top of the leaderboards. Those players that you think are “legit” are the players that myself and many others make montages of on youtube.

I said they were legit players, I did not say they were elite. the quoted post was saying that baddies were up there. I haven’t found that to be the case with “some” of the people that I played.

I have played with some of them and found them to be quite skilled at soloq, which is completely different then playing teamq. I would play with someone like Relic anytime. He was focused on winning and communicating and I never felt like I was herding cats with him. You may have had a different experience with him at a different time, but that was my experience.

I don’t know how good those Elite people are…they always teamq / I am always soloq so anytime I’m fighting them, our team gets stomped – which is expected.

For me, seeing if they can herd cats in soloq would be interesting – that’s something I would watch – positioning, communication strategy has a completely different dynamic in soloq vs teamq

I am still new-er to this game, and now that the reset happened, I am getting into Ranked much more. I’m not going to personally attack you on the forums. Remember, I came here asking for help – was your intent to provide help?

Narkodx.1472:

Double bow is fun but vastly inferior to having a bow/melee

I prefer the sword over the GS but that is a personal thing

Full traps is highly questionable in a power build you need your utilities to help you survive like Lightning Reflexes and Signet of Stone

Ditch the travelers runes use pack/hoelbrek

^ guy above me pretty much nails it

thank you for the insight. I have been trying out different things lately. The only reason I am considering Traps is for Khylo mid and Forest mid where I loss a lot of dps due to pets having to run all the way around…..basically being out of the fight. I was thinking that throwing either Frost/Poision/ or Frost/ fire would offer some help to melee in mid.

Travelers – They fit me better. getting somewhere 25% faster, and having 25% increase in combat speed helps me separate better.

I only use 2nd weapon sets for Kiting purposes. I use SB for the 2 second daze/ -33 heal and evade. Other weapon set I like is Axe/torch or sword/torch

Utilities I use are Wild/ Sick Em or Stone (depends if there are a few Stealth) and LR/Entangle

Right now I am running 6602 but am considering the 6062

Vapour.7348:

Thought I’d share this with a lighthearted holiday mood. Game started 4v5 and then 3v5 half-way through. Queued solo. I hustled towards objectives most of the match and didnt pay attention to the score. What’s funny is that I thought I was in the blue team as soon as I saw the score because we had fewer players so therefore our score had to be the lower one.

Would be cool if you guys could share the funny/amazing/inspirational/impossible matches you’ve had.

Happy Holidays

Yesterday was my first win 4 v 5 in Ranked ever. It was awesome. The entire match was 4 v 5.