Guild Wars 2

phys.7689:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Astralporing.1957:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

And this is a bad thing how exactly? …

Pretty much everyone asked for an actual challenging content.

To be precise, a small number of forum posters asked for it. For a large part of player community current content is already challenging enough, and many others do not care.

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

They gave classes much more focused roles in order to provide something that requires thinking and finally get rid of the braindead zerker meta.

No point in removing one meta, if it’s done through introducing another, even more strict meta.

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Also, who said that raids will be easy enough to be completed by pugs? You might never see stuff like that on chat once people realise that they need a team/guild in order to actually complete a raid.

Because within guilds there will not be situations where a leader needs to roll a dice to see which of the guildmembers will be forced to play the healer (because all the players that liked playing healer role left 2 years ago). Yeah, right.

Let’s be honest, healers are a bottleneck in other games, because this is a role that is unappealing to a large majority of players. And most players that found it appealing left GW2 long ago.

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Last but not least, I’d rather have groups looking for healers rather than Ice Bow providers.

Don’t worry, you won’t see any icebow in action after the next Tuesday. It won’t lessen the desirability of eles in groups in the tiniest.

First of all, anyone who thinks that the game is currently challenging, is brain-damaged., or came to GW2 after 5 years of hack n’ slash games played on easy mode.

Also, it seems you are stuck in 2007 MMO gaming. Cause nowdays, even in super small population MMOs, healers are everywhere, and very easy to find. Games offer various roles for 1 class depending on how you trait. It’s not like you can only heal 24/7 being a X class.

And, yes, Ice bow WILL affect ele desirability. Once HoT launches, elite specs become playable and zerker meta goes bye bye, how many eles would you want for a 5 man group? If any…

I think you must play a healer, because i cant think of a single current gen mmo that doesnt take dps substantially longer to get groups without a healer friend.

What games are you talking about here? Both wow and ffxiv dps takes long to get groups

Of course it takes longer to find healer or tank. Although finding dps and finding the right dps is not the same story.

Its much more difficult to play dps properly than to play healer properly. So yeah, since 80% of dps are n00bs (MMO rule #X) its kinda difficult to find geared dps with proper knowledge in order to kill things before they go enrange and HULK SMASH everyone.

About Q times, in a game with GW2 population, at peak times you wont wait a single bit no matter what role you play.

TheRandomGuy.7246:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

dsslive.8473:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Tuntz.8953:

I moved from my last game to GW2 exactly because i was tired to wait for hours for healers.

Just curious where do people find this info on todays MMOs. Cause even on low population games, healers are probably the easiest role to find. Much harder to find a good dps or a good tank, especially dps since most challenging content has a “timer”, meaning if you dont kill a boss in the given times it goes HULK SMASH.

Saying that you cba waiting hours for healers, just shows that you are clueless about MMOs and how they evolved.

Especially when a healer can just “respec” to become solid dps and vise versa, and especially when talking about the highest population MMO (GW2) and its mega-server mechanics….

Well, not all games are the same, and while it wasn’t a true mmo, in gw1 you could definately spend quite some time before you actually got a healer. Not to mention one ahs to take into account what region and time of day you play, if you’re not playing on peaktimes it will obviously take longer. Anyhow, kinda non-relevant , but jsut thought to mention that there are games out there where finding a healer isn’t the easiest to do.

Even if there are such games out there, Large MMOs are not like that.

Saying that you wonr be able to find healers in GW2 where there are unlimited amounts of players 24/7 is just laughable. This is just a typical doom and gloom thread created by the typical whiny people.

I played large MMOs with tanks and healers. Average q time for anything other than a healer is around 20-30 minutes at peak hours and up to an hour during the rest of the day. And that’s if you got a good healer. If party got unlucky you have to kick him and start again.

30 mins q time on a large MMO at peak times for top-end daily run dungs?

Something’s not right here…….

Amityel.5324:

why should druid have to go beast mastery?

Because he knows so much about the class.

Saiyan.1704:

Unlike the Guardian, the Druid lacks numerous mitigative abilities like Blinds, Blocks, Invulnerability etc. The Druid will get CC’d and bursted down so fast, it’ll be laughable.

Signet of stone
Protect me
Shared Anguish
SotW (stability)
RaO (stab)
GS#4 (one of the best blocks in game)
Various damage mitigations from WS traitline
Protection after dodge rolls
Various (all sorts of) utilities from pets, like Blinds, Weaknesses, Dazes, Fears, Stuns, Taunts….

Want me to continue? …

Mono.7320:

Why this exists

-Druid

Because 3 years of constant hack n slash and no roles at all, got boring for every semi-serious player super fast.

dsslive.8473:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Tuntz.8953:

I moved from my last game to GW2 exactly because i was tired to wait for hours for healers.

Just curious where do people find this info on todays MMOs. Cause even on low population games, healers are probably the easiest role to find. Much harder to find a good dps or a good tank, especially dps since most challenging content has a “timer”, meaning if you dont kill a boss in the given times it goes HULK SMASH.

Saying that you cba waiting hours for healers, just shows that you are clueless about MMOs and how they evolved.

Especially when a healer can just “respec” to become solid dps and vise versa, and especially when talking about the highest population MMO (GW2) and its mega-server mechanics….

Well, not all games are the same, and while it wasn’t a true mmo, in gw1 you could definately spend quite some time before you actually got a healer. Not to mention one ahs to take into account what region and time of day you play, if you’re not playing on peaktimes it will obviously take longer. Anyhow, kinda non-relevant , but jsut thought to mention that there are games out there where finding a healer isn’t the easiest to do.

Even if there are such games out there, Large MMOs are not like that.

Saying that you wonr be able to find healers in GW2 where there are unlimited amounts of players 24/7 is just laughable. This is just a typical doom and gloom thread created by the typical whiny people.

maddoctor.2738:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

And, yes, Ice bow WILL affect ele desirability. Once HoT launches, elite specs become playable and zerker meta goes bye bye, how many eles would you want for a 5 man group? If any…

You are making it sound like currently the only reason to bring an Ele is for Frost Bow….

Key word: Currently.

Relation: Zerker meta.

…

Tuntz.8953:

I moved from my last game to GW2 exactly because i was tired to wait for hours for healers.

Just curious where do people find this info on todays MMOs. Cause even on low population games, healers are probably the easiest role to find. Much harder to find a good dps or a good tank, especially dps since most challenging content has a “timer”, meaning if you dont kill a boss in the given times it goes HULK SMASH.

Saying that you cba waiting hours for healers, just shows that you are clueless about MMOs and how they evolved.

Especially when a healer can just “respec” to become solid dps and vise versa, and especially when talking about the highest population MMO (GW2) and its mega-server mechanics….

Astralporing.1957:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

And this is a bad thing how exactly? …

Pretty much everyone asked for an actual challenging content.

To be precise, a small number of forum posters asked for it. For a large part of player community current content is already challenging enough, and many others do not care.

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

They gave classes much more focused roles in order to provide something that requires thinking and finally get rid of the braindead zerker meta.

No point in removing one meta, if it’s done through introducing another, even more strict meta.

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Also, who said that raids will be easy enough to be completed by pugs? You might never see stuff like that on chat once people realise that they need a team/guild in order to actually complete a raid.

Because within guilds there will not be situations where a leader needs to roll a dice to see which of the guildmembers will be forced to play the healer (because all the players that liked playing healer role left 2 years ago). Yeah, right.

Let’s be honest, healers are a bottleneck in other games, because this is a role that is unappealing to a large majority of players. And most players that found it appealing left GW2 long ago.

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Last but not least, I’d rather have groups looking for healers rather than Ice Bow providers.

Don’t worry, you won’t see any icebow in action after the next Tuesday. It won’t lessen the desirability of eles in groups in the tiniest.

First of all, anyone who thinks that the game is currently challenging, is brain-damaged., or came to GW2 after 5 years of hack n’ slash games played on easy mode.

Also, it seems you are stuck in 2007 MMO gaming. Cause nowdays, even in super small population MMOs, healers are everywhere, and very easy to find. Games offer various roles for 1 class depending on how you trait. It’s not like you can only heal 24/7 being a X class.

And, yes, Ice bow WILL affect ele desirability. Once HoT launches, elite specs become playable and zerker meta goes bye bye, how many eles would you want for a 5 man group? If any…

Trevor Boyer.6524:

The Druid is not going to replace Bunker Guardians. I explained it already in another thread, don’t really feel like double posting it. Long story short ~

• Druid has no party protections
• Druid has no big AoE CCs to stop stomps, secure stomps, defend itself in 2v1
• Druid has little to no STABILITY has no party STABILITY to secure/stop stomps
• Druid has no AoE party condi cleanse
• All of it’s healing is in Staff animations, which is easily interrupted, especially on a class that is going to have no peel, little to no stealth, little to no stability, LITTLE TO NO CONDI CLEANSE.

Seriously guys ^^
It won’t be able to stand on a point without being focused down 2v1 very easily.

You do realise that you can have 3 traitlines at once, and you still get to keep ranger skills, elites, weapons and pets if you become a druid right?

All your points are wrong. Some are laughable even.

*No stability? Check the skill tooltips of skills like RaO, SotW. Traits like Shared anguish.

*Little to no stealth? Lb#3, druid trait which grants you super speed also along with stealth, a smoke field from pet ….

*No way to survive 2v1? Can currently do that on ranger anyways. It will just become easier once druids become available…

and here’s the best:

*Little to no condi cleanse… Ain’t even gonna comment on that.. LOL.. Just check the druid and its skills/utilities/traits a bit.

Dudes think that if you chose druid, you lose all other things ranger has to offer…

Last I checked, traits and skills currently available to ranger, can offer insane survivability.

Oh, and also, you might be forgetting 2 other things as well. The first of it being the pets which can offer all kinds of support. The second is that PvP is only 1 out of the 3 game modes the game has to offer.

Ojyh.9842:

I am sure it’s been revealed last because they had to rework it. It should have been revealed between the Reaper and the Tempest, but they had to rework it.

I thought they would come with something super innovative, they had to take time to make something new that takes a lot of efforts, with unique mechanics, improving the pets etc…
But no. Obviously they just didn’t know what they wanted to do with that spec, that’s why it took them so long. In the end we have a spec that has nothing really innovative machanically, they just added healing healing healing on everything, they completely missed the nature, plants and animals theme…

It has clearly been rushed. If it hasn’t been rushed, then it’s even worse because it means they put a lot of efforts into something they didn’t manage to make good !

How does it feel rushed when it makes the class greatelly desirable?

Druid is by far the best healer in game. Only ventari can compete and that only in sustain healing maybe, still not a better healer than druid. Raids will require druid(s). WvW will require druids. PvP will require Druid. Even in open world pve/fractals/dungs druids will be of great help, might even be needed (healers not druids in general, but you get the picture) if they make the game actually challenging by updating the current dungs/fracts.

I didn’t think they’d make druids solid healers, but I’d rather have it as it is now, than have it as a shapeshifting damage dealer that would be all show and nothing actual useful to the table.

Stop complaining. Rangers just got a VIP ticket straight to the top of the meta. First class and all.

And this is a bad thing how exactly? …

Pretty much everyone asked for an actual challenging content. They gave classes much more focused roles in order to provide something that requires thinking and finally get rid of the braindead zerker meta.

It’s not like only Druid can heal… Ventari/Guard/Mesmer, even Ele can heal as well.

Also, who said that raids will be easy enough to be completed by pugs? You might never see stuff like that on chat once people realise that they need a team/guild in order to actually complete a raid.

Last but not least, I’d rather have groups looking for healers rather than Ice Bow providers.

The skill was laughably overpowered. It should have been nerfed 1 year ago.

It still has its uses. Even with 50% nerf to damage its still one of the most powerful skills in game. Plus the deep freeze will still have its uses even with the new break bar. No you wont be able to one shot the boss while you deep freeze it to death. Heck, eles will actually have to think now! :O

A class:

1: Druid
2: Chronomancer
3: Herald

B class:

1: Herald
2: Reaper
3: Scrapper

C class:

1: Berserker
2: Daredevil
3: Dragonhunter

Fail class:

- Tempest

1. Warrior(Berserker) – Thrash Metal

2. Guardian(DragonHunter) – Nu metal

3. Revenant(Herald) – Heavy Metal

4. Ranger(Druid) – Power Metal

5. Thief(DareDevil) – Gothic Metal

6. Engineer(Scrapper) – Death Metal

7. Necromancer(Reaper) – Black Metal (duh..)

8. Elementalist(Tempest) – Progressive Metal

9. Mesmer(Chronomancer) – Glam Metal

Sylent.3165:

Go do raids and fractals when they come out. That’s what is designed for you. Leave casual open world pve as is

Go play Hello kitty online

Because Swap pets while on air is too hard for some people.

I’d rather have Anet working on real issues rather than wasting time just because todays easymode gaming spoiled people to the point they can’t even work around on tiny non-existant problems.

Mitz.5741:

Theifs/Mesmers are the best in a 1v1 ever since permastealth became possible and rapid fire doesn’t track anymore

Sad clueless people…

First of all RF always did and always will hit stealthed targets. It’s a channel skill and it won’t be interrupted because someone went to stealth.

Yet RF has nothing to do with rangers being able to kill stealthers. Only noobs think so because they know so much…

A timed 32s cd Sic Em will melt ANY stealther, mesmer or thief. Thieves became soloable ever since sic em got a reveal buff. Not they are just easy kills even if they open with a 15k BS… lol

Also, it’s not only about the trinity. It’s about challenging content. Think is that GW2 showed us the past 3 years that without a sign of trinity or at least more dedicated roles, there can not be any challenging content.

I (and I bet everyone else who supports the “trinity” idea) would not mind having really challenging content without trinity, but if they tried something like that my bet would be that it would result to the typical zerker zerg the instance and go to semi retired in 1 week because of boredom… You know.. typical GW2 stuff…

Spurnshadow.3678:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Trinity, or better, roles is what makes a role playing game great. In serious MMOs for lets say a 12 man raid, you needed 1 tank, 1 off tank, 1 healer for the group, 1 healer for just the tanks, 2 support classes (1 buffer 1 debuffer), 2 ranged dps and 4 melee dps. Everyone of course needs to know exactly what he’s doing or the whole group will wipe because of 1 person. This is what makes a game great. It gives you the actual satisfaction that you acomplished something, and not just facerolled another instance.

This is exactly what I HATE about trinity. You just flat out can’t do the instance unless you have exactly those people. You don’t have the 12th? Guess what, no raid. Also, it’s friggin kittened that if one person doesn’t cleanse that one debuf then the tank dies and the raid wipes, or if someone is in the wrong position for just a second, and the healer dies, then the raid wipes (or whatever the mechanic might be). Those instances are too brutal and can take months to ever finish, if at all, because it was just too brutal.

Raids should be challenging, difficult, but doable. They shouldn’t take forever to finally get through it with the most dedicated team; you should be able to bring a new person in, and teach them how to do it and have the possibility of passing without wiping on the first boss for 2 hours. I’ve played those games, and they just aren’t fun.

You are the exact kind of person that does not want challenge, and wants every raid to be do-able by random pugs who can’t even speak english.

If raids are so easy as you want them to be, guild groups will just faceroll them day #1 and then we’ll go back to the current GW situation.

Thing is Anet understood that, heck the whole challenging content design. I really doubt that raids will be pug friendly.

If as you say “you can’t spend 2 hours on a boss because you can’t stay focused and move/cleanse dots when you have to”, then you can go ahead and play the same facerolling instances we’re stuck since day #1. The instances that require everyone to stuck together and melt stuff while wearing the same kind of gear no matter the class or build. This is not a game, it’s an easymode farmfest.

Vayne.8563:

I’ll respond as I did on reddit:

If I never saw another game again with the trinity, it would be too soon. Just imagine how much fun Lord of the Rings would have been if all foes only attacked Boromir, while Gandalf stayed back and healed him and the hobbits, Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli all dealt damage in relative safety.
You may believe, truly believe, that the trinity makes for a good game. But it’s contrived to the point where it removes everything that makes role-playing games great.

I don’t usually reply on general discussion forums because I don’t have time reading through 500 pages, but your reply is so totally wrong. It clearly shows that you have not played any serious MMO in it’s heyday if you think that healing the tank is the only tactic needed.

Maybe you have the impression that MMOs were always like how WoW or LOTRO is today, where they made everything so facerolling easy, all you need is a tank to run through pull the whole instance and stand in a corner AoE everything down…

Trinity, or better, roles is what makes a role playing game great. In serious MMOs for lets say a 12 man raid, you needed 1 tank, 1 off tank, 1 healer for the group, 1 healer for just the tanks, 2 support classes (1 buffer 1 debuffer), 2 ranged dps and 4 melee dps. Everyone of course needs to know exactly what he’s doing or the whole group will wipe because of 1 person. This is what makes a game great. It gives you the actual satisfaction that you acomplished something, and not just facerolled another instance.

What we have at the moment on GW2 is not actual content. 99% of the instances are like: Skip 80% of the mobs, and the ones that can’t be skipped, you pull to a corner and AoE them down. It requires zero skill, zero effort and zero team co-ordination.

Atm GW2 is basically a game that requires no tactic or thinking, and all you have to do is just barely know the current meta. If you do know it, you can faceroll every single instance or encounter while being semi-afk playing with 1 hand. If you want this to continue because you’re too lazy actually playing a challenging game, that’s fine, but please don’t say trinity is what makes a role playing boring…

Both not needed.

First of all, dps meter is a noob sign in pretty much all MMOs. DPS classes just stand there spaming their big hits and using every single cooldown just to compete with other fellow dps classes over a number. If you’re experienced and geared for a raid, it would not matter if you do 7.6k and another dps guy does 7.9k…

Plus, dps meter in GW2 where you have to defend yourself, is just as stupid as the typical noob who rolled an elementalist and boasting about doing 13k dps, while 13k happens once in the fight for 4 seconds, and when Ice Bow is over the dps falls down to 5k for the rest of the fight.

Gear inspect is also not needed, since first of all you know your guild members, and second, if you pug you can always “Gear link or get the boot”

Wondrouswall.7169:

Knowing our luck, we would get something weird like a mobile field of trees and shrubs that block incoming projectiles.

They are keeping druid for the end for a reason. It got revealed first, it will end last.

My bet is that druid will be what ele is nowdays.

Now let me continue:

Sing with me, sing for the year, sing for the laughter, sing for the tear…

LOL

We’ve been stuck with a braindead game since it’s launch. Open world content is laughably easy, dungeons are all about stacking in 1 spot and melting down the boss, WvW is just follow the comander and win if you have more numbers, and everything in pvp is about getting a good random team.

If you don’t like challenging content just avoid it, but trying to take its rewards from players actually intrested to play a bit more seriously make you look like a selfish j*rk.

This is an MMO after all. If you want equality in literally everything except personal skill, play a FPS game, or stick to the Heart of the Mists, and feel bad about character appearance.

http://pre10.deviantart.net/f5a0/th/pre/f/2012/086/4/9/495fdc368f5872a6549032f36ab1c192-d4u5bs1.jpg

How are you so sure you don’t play one?

dramatic music playing on backgound

Spirits need to be a part of meta. Having said that, at the moment meta is a joke so that’s why only 1 spirit is viable. I hope that will dramatically change with HoT, but the rest spirits need revamp. They are a joke at the moment.

Also, is there any reason they are still damage-able? It would not make it OP to have immortal spirits. The PvP spirit ranger who moved a zoo is long gone anyways…

Maybe they looked at my 1 year old suggestion of an F5 (I suggested an elite back then) where you and your pet merge into a greater beast for X time granting you powerful skills.

Quarktastic.1027:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Every class that requires skill to be played well will be hated by pugs.

I like it that way.

Roll a warrior.

I don’t understand this way of thinking. If one person is playing <insert any profession except ranger> and another person is playing a ranger, and they’re both equally skilled, the person playing the <not ranger> will outperform the person playing the ranger.

In other words, all professions require skill to be played well, even warriors.

Edit: found a more recent video.

Will out-perform? Evidence based on thin air I like to call jibber jabber. Especially when rangers got a spot in meta in all 3 game modes. But keep on the QQ, it’s so funny to look at how hard some people fail even in this game.

Oh- also, soloing arah shows player skill, not class. A warrior in a group situation can be played from a brainless kid and be awesome even in speedruns. Record runs a bit different situation, but record runs are pointless and affect the 1% of the GW population.

What we need atm is a 1200 ranged pet.

Sylent.3165:

Either way we know the dragon dies so if you fight with dragon your gonna lose

Oh, you’re in for a surprise

Not sure if anyone noticed (I’m just returning after 3 months break) but on lower level content, pets seems to be way off the scaling…

For example on Caledon Forest I can crit with maul for 1.3k with all possible buffs up. Cat crits for 4.1k with bite…

EDIT: lvl 80 mobs, I crit with maul for 12.8k while pet crits for 10.1k

Every class that requires skill to be played well will be hated by pugs.

I like it that way.

Roll a warrior.

Thieves became soloable with a glass ranger when Sic ’Em got the revealed buff. Atm, if you time your skills, you can melt him while playing with 1 hand…

Melee will always be far superior compared to ranged in this game. Core game mechanics. They can’t change. Sorry.

Can’t really comment at the moment. In fact, none can as far as PvE goes.

Overall, rangers got buffed by a good amount. Other classes did as well. Things in PvE melt in 20 seconds tops now with a good group and coordination.

Did arah p4 with my group, Ele,Warr,Grd,Thief,Rnger(me). We cleared the whole instance, and every single monster group or boss died in less than 30 seconds tops.

PvE wise, things just went from very easy to complete 10year old faceroling with 4 buttons.

Gw2 was by far the easiest MMO I’ve played (pve-wise) but at the moment it’s a joke.

MarkoNS.3261:

On a side note stop nerfing eles .

Yeah because ele is the most ballanced class of the game.

Warrior needs a main-hand dagger and the elite spec to be named Rogue/Bandit. (Or some other thievy name)

It’s by far the most braindead and boring class of the game. At least do something fun with it.

Mute Herald.8541:

1hd _ Axe____powerful tool

Fashion police should arrest you guys…

Charr… a ranger… pff!

Raif.9507:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Ascended for pvp…

I would post a Dave Mustaine .gif where he does that facepalm again but I cba…

He might be talking about WvW you know… there IS PvP there despite people claiming there isn’t.

He said PvP, and with PvP you mean sPvP.

Anyways, there’s no “best” armor cause it’s all about playstyle.

Going to the forums and ask what’s the “best” armor is … Well I’ll stop here, not in a mood of getting banned (again)

Ascended for pvp…

I would post a Dave Mustaine .gif where he does that facepalm again but I cba…

Rentapest.6503:

I specifically created a Ranger to play as RANGED DPS! But my Rapid Fire will never compete with a Warrior’s Hundred Blades, or the DPS that any of the other professions can do!

Thief
Ele
Engi
Ranger
Warrior
Guardian
Mesmer
Necro

Best dps from top to bottom.

What are you talking about is your L2P issue.

Also this is about PvE only. In PvP we have huge advantage if you involve 1.9k range, pet CC, your CC and positioning.

Cry more.

Valik Shin.9027:

Zefrost.3425:

I think it’s missing the role of requiring skill to win.

Yes cause there isn’t any other class that could possibly require less skill “cough ranger cough”

Ranger:
-Knowledge of which pet in which situation
-Managing pet to avoid its death
-Knowing where to place spirit(s) to avoid its death
-Learning how to play with a sword (aka a unique game mechanic that you won’t encounter in any other class)

Warrior:
-Hulk Smaaash!

Edit: Once you make a ranger, gear him up and reach 80, you will realise it’s one of the most difficult classes in order to become viable (aka get a spot in meta groups) (and yes rangers do have a spot)

It’s pretty far from what people think rangers are doing (spam RF, repeat)

6/6/0/2/0

SIc ’em on your utility bar (unless you are super fast with swapping once you see stealthers)

Good timing and knowledge on when to use it will wreck every thief.

Do you know what pay to win means?

It means that the game offers some kind of avantage to people who use real life money for “special” in-game items.

An expansion is not included in those items. When you buy the game you expect (or better, hope) that an expansion will occur, which will include new features.

P2W would be to introduce a 5-10% dps increase only available through Gem Store. (Which in GW2’s case would still not be p2w because you can trade currencies)

So stop whining about P2W in the forums of one of the very MMOs who isn’t P2W in 2015

From what we know ’till now, reaper is by far the worst.

Same ‘ol necro, with selfish dps and no help to the group whatsoever. I really hope they havn’t told us everything cause if it is so, then prepare for another 2years of necros being left out of meta.

On topic:

Chronomancer
DH
Reaper

Said it before and I’ll say it again. You people are either 15 year olds who live on a PC or have real issues.

At least wait ’till they show all specs and/or you also play the actual game, then qq

……………..words…………