Of course there is always the chance I’m understanding it wrong.
Perhaps when it says it activates leap finishers twice, it activates everything about them including damage. So eviscerate would be really good.
No. It activates the finisher effect twice. On a class with the least amount of combo fields.
This trait is interesting, but it’s also so terrible it’s just mind-boggling. It should’ve been “Your leap finishes also count as blast finishers” and even then it would still be useless because now it has to compete with Vigorous Shouts.
Good where? In WvW? Sure, since mobility is king there. sPvP? It’s still a weaker version of Shatter Mesmer, Thief and Medi Guard.
FMW will only be usable in bunker builds. Use it on a zerker dos guardian and you will be the main target and die so easily. We don’t have escapes/blinks/stealth or any other reliable way to mitiagte damage in dire situations other then our heal, which gets interrupted easily without stab in this meta.
It will be good for stomps/Rezes and teammates as a bunker tho and THAT ONLY.
Yeah Shelter sure does get interrupted easily. So many Mace Warriors with Signet of Strength running around.
Jumping puzzles are really only fun for the first time, because the entire point of them is figuring out how to complete the puzzle.
Now, if there were some kinds of challenges e.g. timers or extra hard routes you need to take or only having 1 HP in a puzzle with a lot of enemies/damaging hazards, sure, I’d love that to be a thing.
Oh, I think A-net would still want players to be the good guys, they seem to be really hellbent on this idea. We’ll represent the loyal guys that don’t want to any extra influence and will instead fight against “other guilds” that have risen to power during the Mordremoth crisis. I’m talking about NPC guilds. We’ll have a new Scarlet, who’ll be the head of the most powerful guild or something along those line.
Old political leaders will still command power and, more importantly, reputation. Queen Jennah will still play a key role in the peace treaty between Humans and Charr, but there will be another political struggle on the side. E.g. human guilds may put their own ministers in power, this way Jennah is still important, but the guilds are causing a lot of turmoil and are aiming to take her down. The Charr are still effectively ruled by the Imperator, but charr guilds can create their own new legion that will become a rival to the existing legion trio. Sylvari guilds may bank on creating their own interpretation of the Ventari Tablet and secede from the Grove. And so on.
I’ve a little theory. Almost no chance GW2 will follow this speculative route of mine, but I think it’s interesting to consider nonetheless.
WIth the update regarding Guild Halls we discovered that there appeared a new organization which aims to increase the influence of the guilds in the world through its so called Guild Initiative. Formally, it’s here to recruit fighting forces to help battle Mordremoth, which makes complete sense.
However, this is a pretty risky endeavor. What the Guild Initiative is a bout is essentially providing resources and authoritative power to what are basically paramilitary organizations. What will happen after these organizations no longer have a big bad enemy to fight? Pretty much every military force is devastated by fighting in local conflicts or against Elder Dragons, and now you have these really powerful, organized groups who made their fortune on fighting, but now they’re out of a job.
Let’s not forget that the Guild Initiative HQ is in Lion’s Arch, which is being renovated by… the Consortium. A dubious bunch at the very least. This Guild Initiative is also financed by the Consortium. Is it just an altruistic move to help the good fight? Or are they deliberately nurturing a whole army right under everyone’s noses. Whether or not they can control it is irrelevant, these Guilds may create a lot of chaos. And chaos, as we all know, is a ladder.
So, could we maybe see some internal struggle to take place after Mordy kicks the bucket? Guilds starting to vie for control over certain less protected regions of Tyria, trying to buy their way into high places and smashing the doors down when they meet any resistance? And in the midst of it, the Consortium, holding the leash of the guilds or striking a deal with Tyrian governments across all races to help them against these guilds in exchange for a bit of extra power.
A trait to give everyone affected by Shield skills an Aegis would be great. Maybe even make the damage on Aegis buff a thing.
That’s a bummer. Well… the bow is still the king, then.
I remember you guys mentioning that Physical skills may get increased effects if you have Adrenaline accumulated. E.g. Kick punting further and so on.
Not in this update or have you decided against this change?
I want those looong Whirlwinds. Dodging in slow motion sounds fun.
Although it is a good change for non-longbow users, I think it’s stupid. It takes away the skill of using a burst skill to get the cleanse, which is what they meant to do when changing it in the first place. I get why they are swapping it back, anything non-longbow is currently too weak. They just have a strange way of fixing things.
It reminds me of the way they are trying to fix stealthtracking. Rangers rapid firing a thief that enters stealth will still hit all arrows in stealth. So instead of making this impossible or at least make the ranger have a chance of missing, they give the thief -25% damage reduction in stealth. Condi thief says hi.
Stupid.
It’s not really about skill. Having to hit a slow melee ability was just too unreliable by it’s very nature.
How does it not take skill to land a slow melee ability? With the cleanse-on-hit condition to the trait, the trait was purely about skill as long as you didn’t equip a longbow. I was perfectly fine with that. I am not really fine with the abundance of blinds and blocks that fly around (which is why mediguards hardcounter melee warriors IMO). So I guess that problem will get solved.
I also don’t think CI is too unreliable for melee specs right now. At least not when you use either GS or hammer. GS burst is actually very quick cast and hammer allows you to set up your burst (CC, Leg Specialist).
Although I agree, Anet might have just phailed at the wording of this change.
Well, the overabundance of avoidance and CC in GW2 is quite large indeed. Melee gets shafted pretty hard in general.
By the way, I think Warriors are okay against Medi Guards as long as you don’t try to constantly stay toe-to-toe with them. GS/Ham Warriors can juke and weave around pretty well, prolonging the fight enough to outlast a Guard. Then again, pretty hard to find really good players.
Although it is a good change for non-longbow users, I think it’s stupid. It takes away the skill of using a burst skill to get the cleanse, which is what they meant to do when changing it in the first place. I get why they are swapping it back, anything non-longbow is currently too weak. They just have a strange way of fixing things.
It reminds me of the way they are trying to fix stealthtracking. Rangers rapid firing a thief that enters stealth will still hit all arrows in stealth. So instead of making this impossible or at least make the ranger have a chance of missing, they give the thief -25% damage reduction in stealth. Condi thief says hi.
Stupid.
It’s not really about skill. Having to hit a slow melee ability was just too unreliable by it’s very nature.
Does anyone notice warriors are more ultra braindead now?
no since wh wont convert condis to boons anymore and cele amu gets nerved? aka less powerfull shoutbows…zerker warri (bottomtier spec atm) becomes viable…braindead? I think you’re new to pvp…
Lol. me new?
you guys still have HS? Spiked armor? so… thats not braindead?
Small passive retal uptime makes the class braindead? How?
Don’t you know of the double Killshot build? Use t2 Killshot, then pop Signet of Fury and t3 Killshot right away because the cooldown will be reset.
I think that change is to address this. This is more of a bug fix than a nerf.
It’s just here to prevent the double Killshot Signet of Fury stuff.
Use Killshot at 2 stacks of adrenaline, then pop Sig of Fury and see what happens.
Peak Performance is obviously only useful if Rampage becomes a Physical skill, because all other physical skills deal low damage and are basically useless with the exception of Bull’s Charge, maybe.
Heightened Focus seems pretty dope. Spammable semi-controllable Haste may turn Warriors into dangerous damage dealers.
60606 seems like the go to setup for a funzie Zerker.
Strength:
Peak Performance if Rampage is a Physical skill, otherwise Restorative Strength if Healing Signet becomes worth clicking. If not… I dunno, close your eyes and select a random trait because all three of them are totally useless.
Forceful Greatsword. Too much good stuff for a Zerker to take Body Blow over it.
Berserker’s Power. No comment.
Defense:
Dogged March seems like a natural choice, but Cull the Weak is virtually endless Weakness on wounded opponents, which can be really useful. Or not. Gonna test Cull the Weak, but probably pick Dogged March.
Defy Pain. Losing Armored Attack sucks, but not a big deal for an sPvP Warrior. Defy Pain will save your kitten from a burst and allow you to Rush/WW away. And can I please laugh at how pathetic Sundering Mace is? Ha.
Discipline:
Warrior’s Sprint. No contest there.
A toss up. This is interesting. Probably Destruction of the Empowered, but Brawler’s Recovery is really strong. In fact, this change may allow Warriors to survive without Cleansing Ire somewhat. That’s important to note, since we will have to sacrifice one line for the Elite Spec and Defense seems the only line that we may possibly give up.
Heightened Focus. While Burst Mastery is obviously powerful, especially for a GS Warrior that sometimes needs extra Adrenaline to squeeze out that Arcing Slice, 15s ICD 4s Quickness is just great. BC-Frenzy-100b is back, except you don’t have to run Frenzy now. Catch your opponent with that GS1 under 50% health and then use your lightning fast 100b without any CC and you just may land it. A fun, skillful and powerful trait, at least in my opinion.
If the change to Cleansing Ire is real and Burning nerfs for non-condi builds are significant, I will be running GS/Hammer. Heightened Focus with Hammer is also pretty good. Dodging a sped up Earthshaker is not going to be very easy.
Healing Sig active will grant Resistance. Even if it ends up being an overall nerf to power it’s a great change that makes Warrior more active and fun to play.
If it’s the bow you want to drop… For quite a while I’ve been on a rampage replacing the bow with GS in a zerk hambow build with Rampage.
Sigils: GS=Energy+Battle. Hammer=Intel+Fire.
Burst is great and zerk Rampage is BEAST.
You’re about 85% as effective as viable zerker classes without counting their utility and team support.
Why is disengaging a bad thing?
Don’t ever play League, 90% of 1v1 engagements will end with you blowing all your skills and your opponent walking away with 23 health. If disengaging angers you in GW1, League might want you to kill kittens.
Brawler is a whole archetype in League. You chase and melee enemy squishies while surviving counter pressure and peel.
Specifically about Axe Mastery and Berserker’s Power.
The new Axe Mastery grants 150 Ferocity for every axe equipped. That’s 300 with both, which translates into +20% crit damage.
Berserker’s Power is a unique +20% damage buff (with 3 stages of Adrenaline used) which lasts for a 10 seconds.
Now, Berserker’s Power is way better. The way it reads (when you USE a burst skill) suggests that the buff triggers even if you miss. That’s +20% of pretty much constant damage buff. And then there’s the idea that you have to be using two axes to gain any benefit from Axe Mastery… yeah, OH Axe sucks, MH axe mostly sucks.
So what do we have here? One good trait and one bad trait that’s totally eclipsed by the good one. Let’s try to change that!
My proposition:
Axe Mastery – Dealing a critical hit with an axe grants 8 seconds of Might. 20% reduced recharge on Axe skills. Dealing a critical strike grants 2 Adrenaline.
Pretty similar to Forceful Greatsword, but so what. It fits really well! MH Axe deals a lot of smaller hits, OH Axe is pretty much made for small hits, so Might stacking may actually make it worthwhile to use that Axe 5.
But I don’t think we should stop there. OH Axe is really bad. Like… really bad. It needs buffs. My proposition:
Dual Strike is unchanged, but if you hit with it, you get access to a new ability a-la Flanking Strike. This new ability is:
Underhand Strike – Slam your axe into foe, knocking the wind out of him. Removes 2 Boons.
Woah there! Boon removal?! Isn’t it really strong? Yes. However, hitting this attack is really difficult. But the main reason is the state of the current Berserker Warrior, I think he could use something like that and still remain balanced. Zerker Warrior is almost fine in competitive play, but, unlike other Zerker builds, he lacks some unique, helpful features. Medi Guard can support and CC, Shatter Mesmer can set up portal plays, Thief is really fast and can decap, Ranger… well, he’s not that great, but he has insane direct ranged damage, making him a more reliable damage dealer than a Warrior. Boon removal is a good offensive skill that will fit an all out physical brawler and, considering a fairly limited repertoir of Warrior’s abilities, will hardly make him overpowered.
Now, Whirling Axe. This ability is really bad, because it deals very low damage, makes it so you can’t dodge while using it too. You used to be able to dodge while using it and it wasn’t 100% worthless back then, so how about you revert the change, guys?
Also, another proposition: make every hit of Whirling Axe apply 0.1 second of Cripple. This way the enemy will at least be forced to dodge or do something instead of leisurely walking out of it.
Some people proposed making it a projectile reflect or evade, but I think that’s too much. Maybe a projectile destroyer, like Zealot’s Defense? At any rate, it needs some love.
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Landing steal is very important. Cast it when he’s spinning or using Mighty Blow. Don’t stand in the GS symbol unless you’re sure you can trade efficiently. Kite when necessary and anticipate the Judge’s Intervention burst (e.g. if Guard is starting his spin way out of range he will probably port to you). Dodge Binding Blade or at least dodge the activation of it.
If you were using Sunrise nobody would give a rat’s behind. It’s just grind, it doesn’t give your character anything special and tons of people have it already.
Disagree.
this will beg more nerfs to 100b damage.
As i always said, 100b should be (Hard to setup/High reward skill), the current issue is that “the reward” is not high enough compared to the large effort done to set it up, but i think the upcoming changes will address this issue.
It’s not really about skill or effort. You just don’t use it until the target is either downed or CC’d. It’s almost useless otherwise.
Warrior is a melee king? It’s a buffing class. Warrior has low tier DPS in PvE and bottom tier DPS in sPvP. For great healing!
I think Hammer/GS is plenty viable even in sPvP, but maybe not optimal at high level. Tarcis took a round from The Abjured on his Hammer/GS build, but that was just once.
Survival skills lack a theme. They’re just 4 random skills they wanted Ranger to have but that didn’t fit into other categories. Therefore I doubt Warrior is getting those.
I think daggers and pistols fit Warrior completely. Warriors don’t discriminate as far as weapons go. Plus the elite spec is supposed to feel different.
We may be even getting Monks with Mantras or Spellblades with who knows what.
Bring healers if you want the lord to heal.
SH matches already frequently go to the full timer. They need to make defense weaker, not stronger.
lol cele thief, whats that ?
of course a roamer like thief will be very viable, Warrior with stability can almost guarantee the hero channeling on top of GS mobility.
Not if there’s a thief around that can strip it or spam headshot to get rid of the stacks.
I don’t see a reason to take a warrior in Stronghold right now. The only strength that the class had, which was the endless fire field on a point, is lost.
I really want to know Thief’s specialization. What will it be? Thief has a long range of weapons and none of the weapons it does’t have would make sense. Maybe Crime Boss with a rifle and minions? I don’t know. And what will the Warrior be? A dagger would make sense, but what would the name be?
Bard for Thief with Warhorn and buffs/chants.
Torch for Warrior with some burns. Marauder? Warlord? Gladiator?
Wild possibilities:
Focus for Warrior and Spellblade spec with Arcane/Mantra U-skills.
Mace for Thief with CC and Sapper spec.
It’s a combination of great mobility it offers and the fact that other ranged option for Thief blows massive chunks.
SB is capable of sustained AoE poison, which is huge, AoE weakness, which is probably the strongest condition in the game for PvP, and immense cleave at point blank range. And it passively counters Mesmers, which is pretty hilarious.
So you want a buff. Why?
1. Mace doesn’t have to inflict Weakness or CC. It can be literally anything, even a bloody ranged weapon as we see with the Revenant.
2. Adding Burning will make condi Thieves a lot more powerful.
3. Venom share is active support? I think it’s very possible Thieves are getting a Bard elite spec, in which case they’re certainly getting a Warhorn with buffs. Maybe there will be some kind of a unique mechanic attached to those skills and they won’t be just mild AoE buffs.
4. Yeah, I think Focus is possible too. Shadow… mancer. Or something.
5. ^
I don’t think A-net gets any kitten about some random dude on the forums making up some abilities.
I agree. I think it’s either Rifle or Warhorn for Thief.
I think they want only Rangers to be a dedicated max range DPS class. They’re scared of giving Thief a good ranged damage option.
No idea why would you say that, it’s clearly the same voice actor. He’s actually really good, but he’s been forced into pretty much the single “calm and rational” mood for every piece of VO he had to do and now they are giving Nolan North some room to cut loose. The male human has a great commanding rumble in his voice when he gets kittened, it’s great.
The change on the HS seems absolutely brilliant to me. It makes it so we actually press our heal and it also becomes a source of Resistance on a short cooldown, meaning Cleansing Ire and Berserker Stance become less important. It’s just a question of numbers of balancing.
@nicknamenick:
Unable to dispute the points?I don’t disagree with fast hands being baseline (it does feel like a near “must have” on my Warrior) … though it could feel like the same “must have” that Deceptive Evasion does for many Mesmer builds.
I disagree with the people saying that other classes are getting several things made baseline so warrior should too.
You have a point. However, from where I stand, one of the very few unique strengths that a zerker warrior has is the instant swap Sigil damage with Fast Hands, which is what makes him able to fight back against a lot of other builds. The main problem iof a DPS Warrior is that he doesn’t bring anything to the table that other zerker classes already have. There’s just no way you can lose that trait.
And Adrenaline on hit is pretty much a must, because Warrior is balanced around spamming his F1 (really, what’s a Warrior without his constant Comb Shot?) and you can be totally Adrenaline starved if you don’t have it. Condi cleansing is great, but that’s worth the trait, adrenaline on his is pretty much a must for playing a Warrior in PvP imo.
That’s a feature at this point.
A-net, please, if you can’t fix the kitten thing, make it do low damage so it’s just a gap closer and give the lost damage to GS#1 making it the same as Guardian’s GS#1 in raw numbers.
I dont want any type of AI, no mantras, no conjures/kits, etc. I want meditations, cantrips, spectrals, deceptions, or survivals :S
You do realize that those are basically random skills without any theme. Unlike, say, mantras. What you said basically means nothing at all.
AI or boring passive stuff, Warrior has enough of that already.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but, last time I checked, Guardian wasn’t even a part of the meta.
What does this add to the Guardian, knowing it’s less optimal than Meditation Guard?
Medi Guard is meta in a lot of comps. Has been for many months.
I don’t think he warrior lack any new role, but several build need some help.
- Condition : He’s one of the best at that for PvE, but he’s lacking a bit in PvP.
- Dungeon meta : He’s in a great place as usual. With the change to trait he will be even more powerful, but also more boring to play. Nothing the specialisation can do about that.
- In roaming, the warrior is good there with decent variety in build (about the same as most profession).
- In WvW everything is fine.
- sPvP is where it start to hurt. Warrior isn’t in a bad place. He have one great build with the shoutbow and have more different good build than other profession like thief and necro. Still Shoutbow, Axebow, Hammerbow… They are different, but still feel too similar. Ideally, i would want to see a good condition build (like Double Kit Engi or Terrormancer) or a good killer build (like Power ranger or medi guardian)
I’d say a power build (gs/lb or gs/hammer) is also pretty good, but it needs team support or some sort of a unique ability to rival medi guard.
GW2 is one of the very few fantasy MMOs that doesn’t have a truly viable melee warrior. The only truly desirable build warriors have now is a weird melee bowman buffer. If you want an all out melee DPS brawler you’re pretty much out of luck if you’re playing GW2. Medi Guard comes close, but it’s a totally different flavor.
That’s Revenant.
Why the hell would you take a DH as a bunker/support player?
Meta concerns certain team compositions fighting other certain team compositions. If you have 3+ warriors on your team, it may not be the best idea for all of them to go shoutbow.
Also non-meta builds aren’t necessarily bad at all. They’re just not what a handful of top teams are running at the moment. DPS Guard was considered “bad” some time back, the “bad” power necro is now replacing the condi necro, DPS warriors are becoming more and more popular etc.
Talking about offensive zerker builds here. Whirlwind and Arcing Slice aren’t that slow. However, I find that most of the damage against good players comes from Reckless Dodge, Fast Hands weapon swaps with with Hydromancy/Leeching and on-crit Sigil procs. You should only use your hammer combos when the enemy wastes his dodge. Pay attention and stow cancel Staggering Blow, Fierce Blow and Backbreaker if you know they’re going to miss.
You can use Bull’s Charge or even Kick in place of Balanced Stance to set up big damage combos, but the loss if Stability sucks big time. The stun from Kick actually lasts just long enough to land Earthshaker.
Stability is still pretty scarce in the current meta. If you can avoid getting your attacks chains destroyed by blind/block spam, you can seriously ruin someone’s day with stunlock combos.
They have fully embraced the power creep by making a ton of things baseline for many classes. Let’s hope the rest of the game can keep up.
I have great success with my celestial axe/sword warrior in sPvP. You have great survivability, sustain, condi and condy cleanse, on demand burst with axe F1.
Also you can play shoutbow or axe/shilde gs if you want. Thats three viable build, now tell me 3 viable necro or ranger build.
Pewpew Ranger, Spirit Ranger, Trap Ranger. All as viable as Axe/Shield if not more. Axebow is fine, but it’s completely immobile and doesn’t fit any team comp. It’s a bunky build with zero support, not to mention anybody half decent will dodge every Eviscerate. It’s a troll build for low-mid range soloQ.
It doesn’t matter.
Cleansing Ire is staple for all pvp builds.
Adrenaline on hit is actually a big reason for that. Condi cleanse is crucial, but may become less so with the introduction of Resilience, Mending become more viable etc.