Guild Wars 2

What I’m wonderin about glory is the rewards of the chests, I’ve saved up all my glory so far because I simply do not like the rank 1 and rank 10 sets available and to my knowledge you can’t get the better looking gear until the higher ranks, which kind of sucks because I want to look cool.

Basically I’m aiming for the Nightmare and Corrupted PvP set but so far I’ve seen none with it and no info about it, so I assum this must be really high tier gear. So I guess I’m stuck with my glory until then eh?

Hammerheart.1426:

It’s an elite skill that has the POTENTIAL to cancel out another elite skill. What is the problem with that?

If it was a normal skill with a 30s CD that could cancel our your elite, then sure that’s an issue. But this is an elite, canceling another elite.

I would like to hear your justification for granting Mesmers the only Elite skill that cancels out another. Mesmers are the only profession currently that has that capability.

It doesn’t mitigate it, it doesn’t make it less useful in some way, it flat out nullifies that Elite skill. No profession should have that power.

Apparently it’s okay because it’s so weak no one uses it and you can dodge twice as the bird so it’s no problem, and time warp is a much stronger skill anyway so what drugs are people on?

At least with time warp you can stunbreak and use your skills.

The justification of people for this skill is laughable, this skill should’ve never existed.

and an ele, my ele name is Zogyark

Yes my main is a necro for pve, I enjoy that class more even with its 100 bugs, however I also play mesmer/warrior/guardian and thief. My views arent 1 dimensional and narrow minded, I know the strengths and weaknesses of these classes. I rarely lose to mesmers, most mesmers are absolute crap at pvp but there’s the occasional good one here and there in tourney pvps and I know how strong this class is the most balanced one out there with so many useful skills, moa i dont agree with and never will though, and portal is another great skill, not to the point of OP but def worth of elite.

The class was designed to cause conditions on crit even if they dont crit themselves, however this makes us not perform so well with power builds because we need to dispere our pts in soul reaping, curses and spite trait lines.

The best way is to stealth, prestige, veil, and decoy all do this because you lose target. After you appear back you can get away with a few auto attacks, good enough to turn the tide in your favor.

Odaman if your moa being dodged then you’re not playing your class right, my Moa NEVER gets dodged, just have to understand how it works, I suggest you go to the mists and train on some dummies. I already explained this on the other thread if you failed to read how not to get your moa dodged then i suggest you go back i wont explain again.

man mesmers have so many useful anti attacks it’s ridculous, manipulation skills are your friend, you have the #2 staff skill, @2 sword skill, #5 GS skill and other great tools to render your opponents hopeless. the only time a theif beats me is when im on another fight and I get ambushed/stunlocked outta nowhere with my stun breaks on cd.

EasymodeX.4062:

In the majority of PvP games, the #1 most important thing that decides most fights and games is having the right people at the right spot at the right time.

So much else is irrelevant.

Thanks for pointing out the obvious sir, now you understand why the port is a must.

juno.1840:

You have a video or something? I’m not on a PvP team since I use the hot-join PvP. I haven’t seen it used yet, but my experience is not that broad.

I’m having a hard time believing that a 10s teleport skill for your team is a game-ender. I can see tactical positioning advantages, but you still have to combat your foes and portal didn’t give anyone a performance buff of any kind. Agreed advantage, but that’s what skillfully played abilities should do.

I’ll make a video sometime and post it here, but you would need to know some tpvp basics in tourneys are nothing like hot join pvp, first of all its 5vs5 so tactics are more important ofc.

basically in forest – 1 goes to capture the closest point, 3 go to npc, mesmer drops a portal there with swiftness on and goes to keep then opens port and the rest come. Mesmer roams between keep and the other point dropping port so if one point becomes contested he just opens the other port and people port as needed.

Sort of the same strategy for Legacy, except at 350 pts mesmer gets gate (it can be already opened by then) and drops a port there to zerg lord for the quick win.

Khylo – mesmer on treb if more than 2 people come to treb u let them waste their time with treb and drop a port somewhere close make sure they dont notice ofc, while you go help with center or whatever, then when they destroy it, get the repair kit right away, port back, congrats treb repaired. GG.

And this is why a mesmer with a portal is game changer in tPvP, specially with skilled players gl wiith that.

if you play tPvP oh trust me this skill is worthy of elite. It’s a win skill that’s why the best teams have mesmers.

dont be silly, duration should stay the same, already powerful as is.

@ Ascii – you can’t die while in death shroud bro u go back to normal mode, people are mixing the matrix with real gaming life too much.

Yes, portal shud be replaced with moa and moa shud be utility skill with a 3 sec duration, 4 if traited at most.This class will b most balanced then.

Qelris.6901:

Carighan.6758:

Also, it doesn’t last 12 seconds.
It’d help if you were to actually play the class you complain about. :P

It last 12s. Tooltip is wrong.

Yeah, sad that I know the class better than actual mains. I guess when mesmers play this bad it doesn’t make much of a difference. I have versed some good mesmers though, but you don’t see the light of them except in tourneys which I assume most ppl here don’t play from what I see.

Can’t wait to go home and try spectral walk, with the life force gain I’ll give my death shroud build another try and the way it works now sounds more useful as a stunbreak.

Portal is a must utility slot, it gives you 12 secs of kiting if your character is not a ranged they are so screwed, I’ve been using this and it’s become a must utility slot because of the great usefulness in diff situations. All master PvP mesmers use this because it’s so strong for a utility skill when it’s power is used to the fullest you have no idea. Therefore it must become a elite skill, this + moa/tw = too much win.

Topic, too powerful for a utility skill. The so many uses throughout all modes of this skill are undeniable and for a utility slot with a 60sec cd (REALLY 60 sec and even less when traited lol) is pretty hilarious. Fast traveling, easy escape, kiting tool, capture point tactics, treb instant repair, etc etc.

Need to be an elite skill, with a higher CD at least 90 secs.

Mesmers dont need a nerf globally, just the IWIN button does.

Situation happens a lot on tPvP, even on 3vs1 moa is pretty useful, you can kite in defense of the capture point until help arrives, or at least long enough to waste precious time. Not a rare scenario at all.

Not nerf it into obsolescence, but just reasonable things like I posted above, it does need a nerf and throughout the board most will agree, except mesmers ofc who say the skill is crap but in reality they just don’t want to lose their IWIN button. Heck I play a mesmer mostly nowadays and I’m not afraid of the truth but until then I’ll take advantage of it because I like winning tournies, but I won’t deny the facts.

Lol try pointing this out in the mesmer forums, you’ll be called a noob and how this skill is completely useless. BTW you can’t dodge moa against a good mesmer, because a good mesmer will cancel the moa casting, making you waste a dodge. If you cast moa you shouldnt be able to cancel cast.

I play a mesmer, I know how strong it is, and I win a very high percentange of 1vs1s as a mesmer and a good percentage of 2vs1s when moa is not on cd.

And thanks for pointing that out for me in the end, 10s silence+Disarm while having plenty of class mechanics that cause 2s of stun which you won’t break out of in this form because of the inability to use skills? = OP and pure win.

The answer is simple, increased toughness or/and vitality as a Moa bird, increase it’s cooldown, no cancel on move, at least the option to use utilities when moad. This skill was mean to disable 1 target, not disable for an easy kill, anyone that disagrees is blindly defending. And if you can’t kill a target that’s moad bird then you’re just a bad mesmer.

@ Carighan – you’re completely one dimensional in the way you look at it along with so many it’s not even funny, even after explaining why. Sure you can have a mesmer in the front lines with TW, you can also have a mesmer defending your other point. A mesmer with a moa, at least in my team is the best for holding/stalling points in 1vs1s and 2vs1s. Can’t tell you how many times I’ve won 2vs1s on tPvP tx to Moa often giving us pts for the win while my other 4 teammates are out roaming taking the other capture points/npcs. Now tell me how is time warp useful in this situation? As a mesmer it won’t be nearly as useful as Moa will when you’re holding a point. This skill is an easy win against a skilled mesmer, when I turn you into a bird I guarantee you will go down before you transform back.

1. I can cancel Moa while casting just move, good luck dodging.
2. move out of the way? illusionary leap, #5 gun skill are good stuns to get started, no you can’t stun break as a moa, you would think this would be there for such a skill at least.
3. Post moa attacks when you’re already dead?
4. Moa has a little over 1 sec casting lol what are your reflexes too good? most players won’t see it coming out of decoy stealth or other tactics like the prestige or port
5. A skilled mesmer’s moa cannot be dodged, also often it doesn’t trigger the cd but a 4 sec cd then you can cast it again.
6. Already explained it’s not, but keep failing to read.

Keep justifying this joke of a skill after many examples of it’s usefullness and strengths have been given.

Pretty useful in sPvP, not only for quickly traveling/point holding/treb defending but also as a fighting tool against melee classes and a stunbreak and a retreat mechanism, really powerful skill, as mesmers become more experienced you’re going to start seeing all mesmers with this skill on sPvP/tPvP.

@ Carighan – I think it’s an awesome skill and I don’t mind it one bit, you can stunbreak from it, move out of the way and the rest of your skills are still available so it balances out.

Of course it’s relevant he compared the two which not even lol, one you can use stun break the other you can’t because moa disables all your skills which makes it such a strong skill, u cant stun break as a moa which leaves you very vulnerable to any and plenty of attacks.

My build varies like any smart players would, my utilities though I usually bring decoy, blink (this utility slot changes depending if solo or with a group at the time) and the portal entre which i think should be an elite skill because of the HUGE advantage it gives in tPvP. Only play tourneys btw which is the most important aspect of pvp.

And please to all the people that say you can just dodge it. Either you are pretending to be ignorant or you don’t know how to play your class. Moa skill can be canceled if you move so when you see an enemy dodge just move and it will cancel the elite and wait for it to come back again in 4 seconds, god i have to teach mesmers how to play right.

Anyways off work now, feel free to reply with your justifying replies about this ridiculous skill.

Creslin.1758:

Zogyark.4597:

Creslin.1758:

Zogyark, the scenario you presented was that you had used all your dodge skills, and presumably any other escape skill or daze or whatever that could counter the mesmer. So in this scenario, you can’t counter the stun to get out of one hundred blades because your stun breaker is on cooldown.

The funny thing is that I don’t really even use moa. It takes a long time to cast, it is single target, and the moa can just run away and dodge forcing me to chase him and waste time or let him go.

Time warp can literally win an entire battle, it gives TEN SECONDS of QUICKNESS to an area…which could possibly be your entire team AND it’s an instant cast. And you are complaining about moa…which is honestly kind of funny.

Nah you don’t get the scenario.

Bull’s charge – 100 blades – stun break and move away.
staff #2 skill then Prestige or decoy, moa – you can’t stun out of moa because you’re useless now. Trust me I also play a warrior and mesmer is far superior

yes quickness is great too, but a mesmer that holds one point and the treb benefits from a moa better which successuly helps for a 1vs1 and 1vs2 while waiting on backup.

In the beginning of the thread, we said that you could just dodge out of moa morph. To this, you replied:

“Well what if I used my dodge up?”

And then I said tha if you used up your dodge and all your escape skills, then you are screwed and that is basically your fault. I also said that the same would apply to any effective skill combination like bull’s rush + frenzy + one hundred blades.

That is why in this scenario, you have already used your stun break. Your whole argument against dodge being a good counter to moa morph was that you had already used dodge up. So in the scenario where you get one hundred bladed…you would have already used up your stun break.

The point is that if your counters are on cool down, you are screwed no matter what is getting you.

I’d like you to point out where I said i used my stun break for a MOA, I save my stun breaks for these powerful skills. YOU CAN"T stunbreak from moa, you’re rendered useless for 10 secs where you can get stunned and nuked without utilitys and regular weapon skills, 10 secs is more than enough time for me to kill most classes on my mesmer.

BTW stun breaks does not = dodges

Creslin.1758:

Zogyark, the scenario you presented was that you had used all your dodge skills, and presumably any other escape skill or daze or whatever that could counter the mesmer. So in this scenario, you can’t counter the stun to get out of one hundred blades because your stun breaker is on cooldown.

The funny thing is that I don’t really even use moa. It takes a long time to cast, it is single target, and the moa can just run away and dodge forcing me to chase him and waste time or let him go.

Time warp can literally win an entire battle, it gives TEN SECONDS of QUICKNESS to an area…which could possibly be your entire team AND it’s an instant cast. And you are complaining about moa…which is honestly kind of funny.

Nah you don’t get the scenario.

Bull’s charge – 100 blades – stun break and move away.
staff #2 skill then Prestige or decoy, moa – you can’t stun out of moa because you’re useless now. Trust me I also play a warrior and mesmer is far superior

yes quickness is great too, but a mesmer that holds one point and the treb benefits from a moa better which successuly helps for a 1vs1 and 1vs2 while waiting on backup.

@ Creslin don’t even compare 100 blades with a MOA transform, 100 blades you can stun break, Moa YOU CANT, read the OP.

@Temariah PvP me 1vs1 with my mesmer, jade quarry server, you’ll see how it’s easy to lure someone into a moa transform, you’ll be dead before the 10 secs are up or really close to it because you can’t stun break as a moa bird. No a mesmer that holds points and trebs will do wonders with this, lord i can see you don’t tPvP

@Armaggedon – I think so too, Moa bird is still akitten skill

@ Dropping – About Moa bird, read the OP and how strong this skill is. Maybe I want to see great groups that don’t require a mesmer?

Obviously on the mesmer forum all the mesmers are going to defend this joke of an elite.

Creslin.1758:

I think it’s hilarious that on the front page of this forum you can find like 3 posts complaining about how mesmers are ridiculously OP, and 3 complaining about how they are absolutely broken and useless.

Also, how is that good mesmer going to make sure that you don’t dodge his moa form? I’m not sure, but I think that the cast time probably exceeds the time that you are stunned from magic bullet.

What if I told you that you don’t have infinite dodges? The people that say they are broken and useless just haven’t l2p yet, we all know mesmers are great at plenty of roles and a must in tournaments, trust me I play one if we’re missing one in my team, moa, portals, mesmers on trebs, can hold points like a boss and 2vs1 easy tx to moa bird. MOA needs a nerf for an already strong class either increase toughness for a person in moa or increase health pool.

I love my necromancer, I still acknowledge the amount of problems they have though and wish the same love was given back from the devs.

No, just no Anet, what were you thinking when you made this elite skill and thought this was a good idea. This skill is too powerful for an already powerful class, I play a mesmer I know how easy they are, my noob friend found a mesmer build and switched to a mesmer, now he can hold a point for almost a minute, but let’s not talk about the class but this powerful skill.

It’s the only skill that transforms the enemy, it overrides other transformation skills such as lich form, juggernaut and tornado. It destroys all minions on a necro rendering a minionmancer useless with full cds on utilities. Not sure if it destroys thieve’s guild. It’s the perfect 1vs1 IWIN skill and also pretty useful to disable an enemy in group play, so a 3vs3 turns into a 3vs2 and a 2vs2 turns into a 2vs1 for 10 whole seconds, 10 whole seconds is more than enough to burst down 1 target and as a MOA bird oh believe me you will get burst down.

The range is quite ridiculous and yes you can dodge it sometimes, but a good mesmer will make sure you don’t, I make my target dodge twice before using it.

For me this is the only Elite Skill that needs to be either tweaked or removed, only one that transforms and renders a person useless for 10 seconds. no utilities or stunbreaks, no no no just no.

Now that I’m thinking about it this will never happen. Basically we were told that DS is already OP as it is so no way they’ll make it stronger or add to it, you just have to master it to reap the benefits, good luck.

Remember, if you die in the matrix you also die in real life.

My thoughts on lich form, awesome skill in PvE not so much on PvP. Easy avoidable hits and easy to get away from. The damage isn’t that great and casting times are too slow, one can only try to cast 2 and spam 1 and hope to kill the enemy. One can also try 3 and hope thekittenthing hits. Thieves and warriors have a lot of fun killing you in lich form. number 4 the minions are nice if it works with death nova, but it’s not nice if players can get up from down by killing them. It would also be nice if utility minions worked with lich from this way we could actually get a huge army of minions instead of killing our minions in the proccess. RIP boons is another slow casting skill that I don’t use much, usually my enemy doesn’t have any boons at the time :/

I don’t think it’s good enough for the long cooldown, and the huge target it makes you, people will burst you if in a group.

Arcades Saboth.5139:

I personally prefer Flesh Golem, I don’t like Lich Form nor Plague. While I realize both are powerful I don’t like the fact they change your weapon skill. They don’t give you something more but change something you already have, which means you have to change your tactics giving you no add value. Flesh Golem, for bugged as is, it’s more powerful in my opinion: it’s autoattack is great (ok, when he don’t drink a mojito while you die swarmed by foes) and his secondary ability is a great interrupt with a great damage.
I use plague underwater and that’s the skill which makes the necromancer dominate the dark tides, it’s incredibly powerful in Raid of the Capricorns: you can sweep away one or two enemies while 3 or more sharks are attacking you (and I’m not joking).

Yea necros are op underwater

Yea personally My only problem with DS are the first 2 skills being too slow to cast, an enemy player can see a life blast, cast a spell, and then dodge in time to avoid it, first spell damage should be higher IMO for such a slow casting time, or keep it the same but with a shorter casting time, give a good reason to build a good power shroud build.

Been 80 for about a week. Keep playing because I’d like to level up my crafting and become a money making machine, the game is also fun and enjoyable with other proffessions. I’ve almost got 100% world completion, just need a few WvW maps. I also enjoy the sPvP though if I want to get some glory I usually switch the class I’m playing with because as a condition necro I’m very dependant on other classes to take advantage of the conditions I put on the enemy team.

Sounds pretty fun, unlike what DS actually is now. Thumbs Up.

Very impressive.

Can you describe the build, I’m at work and I can’t see it and I’m sort of interested in its mechanics.

It would be really nice, but there seems to not be enough love for the necro from the devs, mainly because of our broken traits and skills and pet AI that has gone unfixed since release

Good build, I tried something like this, I went 20 in precision thou for the critical chance n something else, with axe 30%chance to vuln if critical. I went 20/20/0/0/30. Did around 10k damage with life transfer to each player and 1.5k-3.2k with each life blast. Still tweaking around but I can see the potential.

@ Nismu – If you’re running the blood traits might as well use dagger for the extra siphon, if you’re running blood+death you should have a high health pool and not be too afraid to take a couple of hits since the siphon should grant some more survival while your minions do damage.

For focus I prefer to use it with axe, which also has that aoe cripple/retaliation skill, this helps stack vulnerability, good for minions to get increased damage.

@ natsos – This is why all condition builds focus on crit chance for it, but this also breaks synergy with other builds for example say you want to try a high crit/damage build you really can’t because besides spending on precision if you want to increase crit damage you have to put pts into death shroud which is mostly use as a defensive ability because of the way it works. And on this you have to spend traits on power to increase damage, and all these don’t synergize very well, you end up with low dps, low health and toughness. SO you look at the build and think… I’ll just go condition again.

And yes this is also how I use my condition build because I’m pretty much forced to use it that way oh and trust me I use it well. But if I want to play differently I switch to another proffession because conditions is the most viable option here. Crit chance was not meant for high damage like other professions it was meant to try and get more bleeds…

Actually conditon damage with precision makes absolutely no sense since conditions don’t crit :|

Doubt this would happen, precision and power in one line could end up too strong and no other professions have this. Usually precision has critical damage attached to it but in the case of the necro crit damage is in the Soul Reaping trait line. Perhaps cond damage should be in the power line or the Soul Reaping trait line, I don’t know the Necros traits are a mess.

A minionmancer is actually pretty tough to kill in my experience, have over 200 hours of gameplay here and burst classes usually can’t beat my minion build. It’s the not working traits and the AI that makes the build lacking.

Kid said you didn’t have it so I thought that would be why. Can’t see the build atm unfortunately but yeah, 20 spite/ 30 in death and 20/blood is the usual minion build. If you want more power you can trade blood for something else, and if you want tankiness you can trade spite for the 30 in blood and probably 10 in DS up to the user.

Well if he’s trying a tanky build I assume he’s also got full blood since he did want to siphon life (I can’t see traits I’m at work) so 30/30 in death/blood is probably what he went to for survivability, this would get a build up to around 30k hp with the right amulet and sigils. Now if only minions would actually siphon life.

I had a Death Shroud build a while back that worked pretty good, I did not stick with it because I didn’t think it was anything special but I might give it a try again, basically I went in and out of death shroud constantly to cast might and vulnerability and then I would use blood is power and go back into death shroud, it was kind of fun.

I’ll give it a try later when I get home.