CPC is pretty powerful in WvW and against large groups, well in general, but.like.bhawb aid it doesn’t fit in a lot of builds.
Being able to drop a.well.of.blood upon reviving some one is pretty fken good.
U can easily get 30k hp 3k armor, for WvW readers protection Is a beast, staff is a must, grater marks making them plus wells unlockable,
Consume.spectral wall, well of.corruption, sig of.locus(which can get changed out.if you with a.perma swiftness group.
I’d focus most ration DS, rental while.in DS piercing and might. Cammanders jobs is to.live.and lead.
I’m ganna be testing out a siphon build( don’t.ask me why I love blood magic so much) but that will have to wait.till I lvl up my.new necro and.get time o play.
Only sig worth taking is SoL..huh interesting
Wow I fine hate this forum 3rd tome.I posted my build and this.piece of kitten ate them….
Ya I also bunker as my necro and deal decent damage I can hold point against 2-3 people for a while, it involves wells and playing smart I’ll post it what I can,
Bhawb is a negative nancy lol
Wells have great support abilities if you know how to.use them, boon removal, condi cleanse, even damage, healing (allies included)
I’m ganna toy with one.of.my builds, make it have mad support abilities, we will.
How much of those support options mean anything at all in PvE?
Conditions and boons are scarce in PvE. Boons are even worse because when they do show up, they are spammed with such frequency that removal means nothing. So, that’s two of the strongest points for necros that ultimately mean jack squat.
Then there’s weakness/blind/chill/and control in general. The only things worth using them on are the bosses which are effectively immune to everything but chill and many of the bosses show no real effect from chill. Control builds period are a waste in PvE because of horrid boss design. That’s a third necro strong point that is worthless in PvE.
Necro group healing is very strong. I will happily admit that. It’s also unnecessary in PvE because it is so easy to take very little damage anyway. Point #4 gone.
Now we get to damage. Fun fact: Necros are not top-tier DPS. Our single target capabilities might be great, but the complete lack of cleave means that we don’t handle trash mobs that well on power builds. Condition builds, the trash mobs melt, but the bosses are a really rough time because their “defenses” favor Power so much more heavily.
So, out of numerous strong points that a Necro has to offer, only one of them is even relevant for PvE, and the necro is not the top in that area either. Why bring a Necro that does the third highest single target DPS when you could bring a Warrior that brings the fourth highest single target, second highest AoE, and still brings group buffing to boost everyone up higher?
I don’t pve unless you count WvW(I dont)
Yes.necros are top Cept in health pool, we deal less damage but with more health, we have.weak support but with more health, we ain’t even top on condi spam…but.more health,
Wells, when the drop turret you drop well on top, use.spectral Grasp lock them in with dagger. Siphoning wells do more damage and heal you
He specifically states the type of build he’s running, and you state not only siphoning wells which he won’t have, but also grasp, which he won’t have.
The whole point is “can I handle the turret engi in my current build” the answer to which is basically no.
It would be crazy if you can swap out utilities to deal with diffrent situations when the come up… oh wait you can.
Siphoning was just a suggestion helps me kill engis easily and add a bit of thankfulness to.me.
As for op just drop spectral armor for grasp, between that well of suffering/corruption you should do good, drop lich for flesh golem to.control in well and.lock with dagger
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Wells have great support abilities if you know how to.use them, boon removal, condi cleanse, even damage, healing (allies included)
I’m ganna toy with one.of.my builds, make it have mad support abilities, we will.
Wells, when the drop turret you drop well on top, use.spectral Grasp lock them in with dagger. Siphoning wells do more damage and heal you
Hahaha jinx… weres my anti troll spray…
Just cause you googled. “Gw2 necromancer builds.” Doesn’t mean you know everything,
You bring a condi necro up against a power necro and you will lose in most pvp matches, not to.mention there is more then just 3 builds. I use a supportive tanky well build for.holding points, and.can.do.so 1v2 for a.couple.mins, power dagger is insanely strong, power DS build, hybrid witch gives me good damage output( high crit chance, condis proc on crit, and decent crit damage)
I can stack conditions faster on my warrior then my necro atm.
Necros build around utilities not weapon skills. Ourweapons are lack.luster.
If we fit multiple stunn breaks we will lose practically every fight, for a necro to actualy be usefull in a fight we need all our utilities.Go fit multiple stunn breakers on any necro build. Record what happens, post it here you will lose most if not all fights. Until you.do that you have no right to say use.more stunn breakers.
As for the. Condition excuse, most classes have a condi removal heal. Plus one or more utility removal. At most all you need against a condi necro is a heal condi removal and one utility. Not to mention in wvw all the condi cleanse spam going around.
But if i run a spectral build and use two stun breaks I’m usually just fine in wvw :/
My necro would eat you for dinner. And you lose a lot of DPS by doings so, necros need all there utilities to even be worth while,
Post you build so I can see how." Good" it is
Idk man I love focus… I always seem.to bounce back to it, like me and ranger torch, just love it
Human, saving norn for some.other class
Try this:
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It’s not even a tank)The only thing not tanky about this is how little condition cleasing you have. 30k hp, high protection uptime with earth runes, 3 siphoning traits. How is this not supposed to be a tank?
Some criticism:
Why wouldn’t you take Ritual Mastery with 4 wells, especially when you’re using Well of Blood as your healing skill?
Spiteful Marks is the worst, even more so when your damage output is rather low to begin with.
I’m guessing the sigil of peril on staff is supposed to be another sigil of intelligence…? Either way, I’d imagine you could get more damage or better utility out of different sigils with just ~1900 power and no additional crit dmg.
He’s got some points, why on earth would you take vampiric precision over ritual mastery
Also take 2.from death magic and put it into spite for close to death
*Remove warhorn and take dagger offhand for condi cleanse (that plus WoP will enough to cover you condis. )
*switch barbaric for Soldiers get runes or hoelbrak, pirate, or strength.
*get ride of lich… take flesh golem to control people in you wells.
*and sigil of battle is a much better choice
You know what I love about necros, you don’t see meta thrown around like every ther class as much. Some one might call there’ new build’ meta but they are just blowing there own horn, necros here are all over the board. I love it.
Spvp, WvW, pve, standing around looking pretty???
What about a non-condition damage necro build? Is that a thing? I assume axe on one set and dagger on the other, with either a warhorn and a dagger offhand somewhere.
op wanted hybrid build if you want a diff one make a diff thread i run a/d+d/wh in one of my two builds and yes its just a power build no condi other one is the one i presented in previous posts
Dude chill… your verry hostile. That supose to be my job
Don’t chase new necros away with you angryness.
And yes Kirby power necros are playable and fun, and it all.depends on how you want to.play, You. Can put together a solid power build with staff and axe/x. Just remember to have staff before you pop DS. I like to pair. Focus with my axe just cause.I love focus, dagger offhand is great for blinds (and chills)
+1. 15 arg i hate you
Implementing spear and tridents on land would way improve necros. A.1200 ranged condi weapon and a power weapon with a leap.
I would.much rather see life force used for.something else besides DS, like damage boost for a period of time, or a boost the life siphoning, all costing Life force.
Is healing was aloud to happen in DS I’d say it would have to be at around 60% or so. And heal your health not get you more life force.
In one of.my builds I only pop DS as. Buffer for big damage or to wait on healing cooldown.
So Ya… I’m stuck on my wars.looks again, I currently using draconic, I like the fabric flowing how side, but I want.something diffrent.
Give me.some suggestions.of what to wear over.my skinnies feel free to.post some.pics to
Bunker ele has round 20k hp 90% of that is 18k, zerker have less 15k hp 90% is 13.5k
You have to do a minimum of 2k damage to start stacking,
Diamond skins.is not all that powerful.
Pop DS and drop 2k get out applies conditions. Poison is your friend in this fight.
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Counter with your own axe, but instead use adrenaline health instead of healing sig and hit.him with 2 eviscerate
I also.play charr necro and love it. I’ve.played every class and still come.back to.necro, who I have deleted and restarted to many times (human lv70, silvari lv80, and charr of 80,) right now my.new char necro(and only) is lv 30 lol. I’m keeping him in spvp and seeing how long it will take to.of just for fun,
I feel you on changing chars so much I can’t stop doing it!!
Well now that I’ve rambled on for a while.. I love necro. Droping wells, watching people freak from all the.conditions, smacking people with my axe, talking to zombies, I just love this class
Well, I use both, they synergize pretty well and I’m cool with that.
+1
What I’ve been doing in spvp for a bit.
Axe is one.of my favorite weapons, in spvp that all I use and I’m not a MM what so ever, and I love roaming with axe.in WvW when I’m not messing with a new build.
I’ve.been roaming in a scepter/staff power build and been doing crazy good lately,
Like I said, it’s the worst choice for power builds. I can only assume that you would’ve done even crazy better lately if you had a different weapon instead.
Yes I could do more damage, but.using axe puts me in melee range. Chills.mixed.with flesh worm and swiftness I can keep my.distance from.any power necro easily. And verse classes such as wars, poison is more valuable then doing little.more.damage.
Its the.worst choice if you want max damage up close, but if you wanna keep distance its worth trying.
Edit: and for the op I’m talking. WvW
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You can go full berzerker scepter if you want…
…to do no damage?
I know, we’ve had this discussion before. You can get a decent number once in a while if the stars align, but under the same circumstances Ghastly Claws will do 50-70% more damage, not to mention that the cd is lower. And this is a best case scenerio for the scepter, with less condis on your target the damage difference is much higher.
The scepter is simply the worst weapon you can have in a power build.
Scepter is fine.for.power builds, I’ve.been roaming in a scepter/staff power build and been doing crazy good lately, yes it works much better in a hybrid build but played.right it’s dangerous.
Edit: as a hybrid you will have better burst capabilities.
Overall my only complain with DS is that it directly interferes with an entire trait line of ours. If it didn’t do that, I’d love it completely. It is by far my favorite profession mechanic though.
Agreed which is why I build not even thinking of Ds. I would love another use for.life force other than DS, like it boosting damage of certain skills or weapon sets, or getting high uptime of vigor at the cost of life force(Which would in turn open up new builds and promote an active.style of gameplay. )
You mean its not like Ele and thief have stability on higher total uptime with master+ traits now, its not like you got active multi blocks on under a 30s cooldowns
lol. What?
First, I would say that thief and ele are completely different from necro with completely different styles of play.
Eles have the lowest base health and armor in the game. They rely on mobility, boons, and frequent heals to stay alive. They have no tanking ability just standing there CC’d, which is why they have more stability access. Necro has the highest base health in the game along with a class mechanic that provides them more health (that can be increased with vitality and points in Soul Reaping), and an instant cast elite that gives them ungodly amounts of health and armor with AoE blind. So all in all, I would say that ele has a greater need for stability because they can’t tank nearly as much damage as a necro can when CC’d. It’s as simple as that. Totally different classes with totally different needs and means of survival. To compare the stability access between the two is quite silly.
Thieves have very little access to stability. It is just delusional to say otherwise. There is a single trait in Acrobatics that literally no one uses, the mesmer steal which thieves have very limited access to, and Dagger Storm, which is 8 seconds of stability on a 90 second CD and nothing to brag about.
and its not like devs confirmed ages ago that DS stomping right now is a exploit not for its strength, but because you are abusing ping/lag for it (being impossible on private servers you own for example too).
I would like to see a source for this.
Overall, there is a reason necros don’t have easy access to boons like vigor and stability. If you can’t understand that, then you don’t understand the class.
Lol you don’t play necro do you… thought so.
On the ele, they are one of the.most active.gameplay you can get here. They take a lot.more skill to survive then most classes do. But there damage.is.second to none.
And on the.thief part yes they.have.little access to stability, still better then necro… and then.you throw in stealth and the ability to disengage,
One class the.runs a cc build.completly shuts necro down f we fit multiple stunn breakers we lose all our utility and in turns makes us practicly usless. Since our weapons are just meh.
Go lv a necro to 80 and play him for a while
Yes the point is lich is imbalanced.
exaggerations aside. DS/lich damage should at least be looked at again.
As soon as stability issues get fixed
I beleive you can stomp in warrior elite transform, but irk for sure haven’t tried in a while
Siphon is only worth it if you take the trait that makes siphon stronger. Which limits you a lot, I’ve.been.thinking of a well siphon build to.support allies, protection siphon, plus what ever well can support a group.verry well.
There is enough classes that give might to allies. If anything necros need to.be able to turn. Condis into boons on allies.
i am gonna get right to the point
so, i am newly trying to get into necro, and need a build, my favourite weapons are mainhand dagger and focus
i prefer power builds, and would like to have the above mentioned weapons in that build, staff as well if possible, love dat fear on it, so someone can post a pvp build for me?
i tried some own made stuff and always seemed to be targetted first , always, even when trying to stay behind my own team they targetted me >.< , must be cause downed necro is easiest to stomp, and the lack of mobility is just ..crap..
so i would like to gather some hints either:p
thanks in advance!
want an honest opinion? play the class before you try playing someone else’s build.
He already mention that he played and was not having any success.
You can swap SOS for well of suffering or anything else you want
so much negativity, jesus if it works for him and not you good for him who cares
@Wyrden try this
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fRAQNAodWjc00abtNO2wejicBZqgQFI6PjOR57vA-TpRGwAAOBAKeAAJOCAf2fYaZACHCAA
open with staff and the rest should fall in place, this is for spvp im not sure if you wanted spvp or wVw, ill be testing this build out in a sec see how it playes
Necros build around utilities not weapon skills. Ourweapons are lack.luster.
If we fit multiple stunn breaks we will lose practically every fight, for a necro to actualy be usefull in a fight we need all our utilities.
Go fit multiple stunn breakers on any necro build. Record what happens, post it here you will lose most if not all fights. Until you.do that you have no right to say use.more stunn breakers.
As for the. Condition excuse, most classes have a condi removal heal. Plus one or more utility removal. At most all you need against a condi necro is a heal condi removal and one utility. Not to mention in wvw all the condi cleanse spam going around.
Ty guys New goal for my war
Just what the title.says, I saw a war the other day and his helm caught my eye.
Heavy bell with what looks.like a crown on it…vague I know… any one know what it’s.called??
Forum ate my post.. I’ll cut it short.
I’ve seen sometimes it’kittens and works sometimes aegis blocks,
If I want the chill I open with focus 4 then 5 and proceed to kill.
Rain check… I have to work a double unless some one comes in
US west cost time, I’ll be on just after 7am for 20min or so. If you can’t make it I’ll update you the next time I can play. Spvp custom arena I’ll call it necro something,
Personally I don’t really want to see a 1200 range power weapon for necro, maybe a 900 one but not 1200.
And axe is for.skirting the edges of combat
And I.love 600 ranged weapons no.clue.why
I would love to play against any MM build to show people how effective wells are.
Yeah wells are so awesome in pvp people just stand right in then because they are so hard to notice and are so big and tick so fast…. they are pretty much op should probably be nerfed.
Much like MM so is.so advanced, you minions will.swarm me even without.you wanting.them to, and.we’ll will eat them up. Healing me in the.process, not to mention I can.force.people.off points and hold a point 1v2-3
Pull you in wells immobilize you in and and.watch you melt. And as a bonus.I don’t even have to be.in my well to get heal from it.
They are by no means op, but drastically under rated. Which in turn makes them devastating
Wells are.on of my favorite freinds.
Have you tried making soul reaping 4 and blood magic 6, taking vampiric rituals, this.would make you wells heal you heal you ridiculous amount.
Unless you focus on Ds.
For soul reaping if your in ds a lot I’d drop spectral mastery and go for either vital persistence, unyielding blast, or path of midnight.
Edit: sadly I cannot watch you video since I’m at work but I will when I get a chance and I’m home
Swap out wall for.WoD or signet of undeath whitch can ge a game.changer in wVw
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bhawb. on the shadow fiend I forgot to mention that its also usefull at preventing downed people from using there cc skill, makes the stomp easier.
I don’t stomp, almost ever. Dagger 1 will refill my LF instead, meaning I enter every fight with 100% LF, and Death Nova’d Putrid Explosions + minion attacks guarantee that the target can’t get up if someone is healing them.
This is actually one.of the better tactics instead of stomping.
Also on MM a vampire power well build would win every time. When you minions surround me I drop wells and heal and damage they can do all while pounding the necro.
Verry effective and will poss of any MM build. I get a lot.of hate from MM cause of this