Guild Wars 2

LightningBlaze.4913:

What’s new with rangers? Since the first week of close beta as an ele with all the builds i have tried, this profession was always the easiest for me to kill; Now all of the sudden i see so many using a massive healing/dps build where It is such a challenge and some of them even impossible for me to defeat theml.

We’re learning how to mitigate a bad situation – and some of our children have actually done better than we could – my son built mine and 1v1 he’s unbeatable – really.

We dueled today and for over five minutes – 1v1 we’re getting better at pet management and 1v2 or more we don’t die until it’s three or more (easily that is).

We’re still glass – just better built glass.

Ayraswag.3761:

You added a sort of matchmaking system why not show it. I don’t understand, if you would just add proper rating and ladders (which don’t take that long lets be honest) you wouldn’t be losing people the dedicated people who played 8 hours a day for months and months.

You’re game is dieing because there is NO POINT in playing it, NO COMPETITION NO LADDER NO WAY TO SEE YOU WHERE YOU STAND.

Game is pretty much dead no matter how many “Pve” players you bring in to test out your new map, what is funny is that games with no real interest in esports have ladders (Tera :S) while for some reason the devs at Anet can’t seem to grasp the basic fact that people need something to aim for not some kittenty QP system. Just add in a ladder and visible rating so people can actually play and aim for something.

It’s sad because i invested alot of time (just like a ton of others) into the game and Anet have pretty much screwed their chance of a popular pvp game up. Whats hilarious is i know a few of the top QP players who are either quitting or are trying to sell their accounts because even they after idk 4k+tournaments have realized this game won’t go no where if the devs can’t even add a ladder in but can create a pretty new map.

Removing your horrible joke of a QP ladder/System and adding in nothing at all is not a step forward you do understand that right?

GG Anet you have successfully killed your own game which is sad because it actually had a chance to be something special.

/Rant over /Infract /No chance of getting any reply or transparency from Devs

They know that they have the largest MMO on earth right now so they have no reason to listen to any players no matter how real their issues are.

Money over content.

gwawer.9805:

Conversation overheard meeting between Anet and NCSoft at corporate headquarters

NC: Quarterry profits are up. We want to focusu on Geeild Warsu Two as ourr beeggest furanchise

Anet: For this month we will be focusing on updating mostly SPVP changes. Many players are threatening to quit and the SPVP dev team really needs resources.

NC: We wanting to rerease new pinku quaggan backupacku so you can sell.

Anet: Ok we can easily do that. But first here are my proposed plans for SPVP revamping.

NC: Prreeaese move your programmers to fixing the bugs on the Fractals dungeon and wee want you to rereeease another tier of armor on the gem storu.

Anet: SPVP needs…

NC: esupvp (SPVP…) we can talk about later. Right now we wanting add more items to gem store.

It’s obvious that this game, no matter what the nationality of the owners are, don’t care one whit about spvp OR WvW.

American’s want one thing…. a great end game after slogging through “the game” – complete with social interaction and DEVELOPER PLAYERS WHO ARE ON EVERY SERVER AND SEE FIRST HAND WHAT IS NOT BEING DONE!

iateacat.3874:

I have a briefer evaluation:

Crap.

And as a woman who has played MMOs since the beginning of MMOs, I will add another brief, one word term:

Tears

Not a single developer wants to care deeply about Rangers – so as many others have said;

Take Ranger out of the game if you aren’t going to fix it as promised

I’ve never played anything else besides a Ranger/Hunter

My brain, such as it is, understands some of the mechanics of Ranger and “healing”

Give us a break – we don’t want to wait – we’re tired of waiting.

Sokar Rostau.7316:

I have a reason for you to play your Ranger again – new pets! Yes, that’s right, just as with Lost Shores, Fire and Frost will see Rangers rewarded with a new pet to add to their arsenal!

Pssst! It’s a reskin of an existing pet, but it should shut them up for a while, and divert their attention away from the Warrior and Thief buffs we put in at the same time.

IKR!

OTHERS received BUFFS

RANGERS received “go get another useless pet” for an “update”

Fail, big FAIL Anet.

Awarw.5081:

I’ve honestly run out of patience with this game now, Rangers were promised fixes months ago after it was admitted that we have many glaring problems with our class that make us “sub par” and “lackluster”. We have had absolutely nothing since then, no fixes, not even a response or acknowledgement from ANet about anything ranger related.

- Over 50% of our weapon choices and skills are useless, mediocre or bugged.
- Same goes for our trait lines but make that percentage about 70%
- Yes we can achieve good DPS with a pet but when everything in dungeons kills them in 2 hits we are basically guaranteed to have low DPS and low support (useless skills). Don’t tell me I have to trait for the pet or manage it better, if I’m stuck with a pet it kitten well better be useful (even untraited) if I have no choice other than use it or lose half my DPS. How can you not address this? It’s been too long, it is a core component of the ranger???

What I’m asking for is at least an acknowledgement to these problems or some kind of time-frame with how long this will take to fix if it ever will be. Myself, and the rest of the ranger community, are tired of waiting, tired of hearing NOTHING about our completely broken class, and I for one would appreciate knowing whether or not I am wasting my time playing my ranger if it will never be fixed. It has been 6 months…… at least tell us something.

Games aren’t life – that said, I was let down like everyone else.

Our skills – or maybe all skills, all keyboard inputs and all mouse inputs take multiple strikes and when you have injured fingers from years of typing – I think this is just beyond stupid.

The devs have, again, ignored our voices and Jon Peters, you didn’t tell the truth when you posted in the RANGER forums -tens of thousands of us are so fed up with the absolute OP-ness of EVERY other character – so many that have more than one single viable spvp and WVW build – how sick and sad that we’re going to have to bail AGAIN when another good MMO comes along and DOES HALF of what has been promised here and elsewhere.

Rangers/Hunters don’t deserve to be the bottom of the barrel – and our pets are a joke – so why bother with pets?

Why bother with Rangers at all if you’re not going to give us the respect that we’d get at the very least in real life protecting others?

My gosh anet – you just don’t get it… You really, absolutely don’t get it.

rylark.3418:

Just use 3 traps and you can literally kill anyone 1v1, even a bunker guardian.
And about the 60-75% spells being useless, that’s the same for many classes bro. This patch is just going to make a lot of people go to TERA and leave this embarassing “balance team” working on this game. How’s this even a “huge balance pvp update”?

I am sick of waiting for this company to take it’s pvp seriously – they STILL don’t have Ranger to even “reality” standards let alone FANTASY standards – and all spells don’t work most of the time when hit – why do I still have to hit f2 six, seven, ten, times or furiously click the mouse a bazillion times to get any single thing to GO OFF????

Rekuja.6318:

So play one? Longbow is perfectly viable in PvE, keep a long distance to take advantage of the bonus damage, grab all the longbow traits (Quickdraw is very good) and you’ll be fine.

I’m 90% of the time using longbow, the only time I switch to Sword/Warhorn is when mobs are too close or I want to run faster using the Warhorn boost.

Honestly, stack power/precision and you’ll see how viable Longbow is… most rangers i see in Orr are using longbow with piercing anyway, shortbow becomes a little boring when you have 25 stacks of condition already on the boss :\

Ok, please post your best pvE spec so the rest of us can see where you are going and then tweak for our own use.

pvE specs are VERY hard to find on the net, and it’s still not easy to find one for spvp or wvw. Every other profession has a billion websites, this one doesn’t even have enough to help many Rangers.

I totally disagree that rangers, of all characters, is OP.

Not by any stretch of the imagination.

Defektive.7283:

Updated 2/21/2013

Tier List Key:
S = Superior (Highest Tier)
A = Average
B = Below Average
C =

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The – (Negative) sign denotes that the class may fall into a lower Tier.
The + (Positive) sign denotes that the class may get bumped to a higher Tier.
The = (Equal) sign denotes that the class is equivalent to other classes with = in the Tier.
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Tier List v0.0.2

Tier S
Elementalist

Tier A
+ Mesmer
=Ranger
- Guardian

Tier B
Thief
= Necro
= Engineer

Tier C
Warrior
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Prefix:
Certain fighting games have a tier list to show which character(s) are on ‘top’ of the food chain.

This is usually depicted by number of tournament wins, available combos, and general skill cap.

I propose a Tier list, updated every new balance patch to reflect what the community as a whole believe the top classes are.

Sound off below and based on the responses I’ll re-organize the list. In your response please provide a one-two sentence reason as to why you believe class A should be in position X. I’ll be updating the list every few new responses so as to not make rapid changes.

Danke.

Jubei.5923:

- Fix pet F2 responsiveness.
- Fix pet AoE survivability.
- Fix pet AI so that they don’t run off to random, far-away targets.
- Explain the 40ms shortbow nerf and why each shortbow#1 attack is a lot longer than 40ms.
- Adjust dps on longbow so that other longbow classes can stop laughing at us.
- Explain why BM traits are scattered everywhere instead of the BM tree.
- Fix ‘obstructed’ error with bows.
- Regardless of ETAs, can you please tell us that you acknowledge these problems? Everybody understands you can’t fix things with the wave of a wand, but it would mean a lot to everyone if they knew you were aware of these problems. Not saying anything only leaves us to assume that the developers don’t agree with our suggestions – and that’s OK. Just give us confirmation/closure and we’ll stop nagging.

Is that enough for you?

Why in the world would this posting, which is full of truth – be marked as “infracted”?

I have dozens and dozens of screenshots to attest to much of the above – too bad the devs just don’t want to look at them…

Vyce.2014:

Disclaimer: No you can’t have my stuff… I love the game and will keep playing every other area of the game besides sPvP. I just wanted to share my opinion of why it’s so frustrating and I can’t be bothered to play it. I hope Anet can resolve the issues causing my frustrations and I hope the sPvP community will explode as a result. That said, here’s my rant…

It’s just too freaking frustrating to keep at it. I don’t have the rank, and to be honest, the skill to find a good tournament team. So my best bet right now is to try and solo queue frees in order to meet people and form a team. Unfortunately the queue is still too long (plus 4 minute prep time), and too often the first round will start 4v5 (I swear my last 5 games have been 4v5). So for now I’ve given up on playing tourneys. That leaves me to play hotjoin. When I play hotjoin I end up raging after about 30 minutes of 8v8 as it always turns into a zergfest that favors heavy aoe or burst classes. If I try 5v5 instead, there are rarely enough players to play consistent games because 8v8 is the default and frankly it’s easier to farm rank/glory in 8v8.

With all that in mind, here are my own opinions on how they could improve sPvP and win me back.

Tournaments: The free tournaments should be in the same format as paids. It really should be designed to act as practice for paids and an avenue for solo queue. I feel like both free and paids would benefit as 4 team tournaments (2 rounds). There are many potential benefits to this. First, free tournaments would have a quicker queue compared to how they are now. Second, both free and paids could use two maps per week rather than just one per week. Third, high ranked teams would automatically avoid the issue of playing the same team back to back.

Hotjoin: I’d love it if the 8v8 format was simply removed. But I understand some people might actually enjoy it (though I can’t imagine how) so at least it should be moved to the bottom of the list and have the glory potential reduced a little bit to balance against the greater kill potential. The 5v5 format should then be made the default option and the glory reward potential should be increased in order to draw more people in. Additionally all hotjoin games should have a bonus glory reward at the end even for the losing team to discourage leaving early. This end bonus should be rewarded as a percentage of time in the map to discourage the inevitable map hopping.

Glory ranks: Now that there is a better method of ranking player skill, glory ranks should ONLY be considered as reward tiers. In other words, it should be a LOT easier to gain ranks as not everyone plays the game 8 hours a day, and even if they do, not everone wants to ONLY sPvP for the next few years to get armor and weapon skin rewards. In PvE right now it is about a hundred times easier to get all of the armor and weapon skins you’d like, even considering legendaries. I think the highest rank right now is 65 or so. That’s pretty crazy. Especially for those of us who can’t commit even a quarter of the time investment as those top ranked players. To be clear, I’m not suggesting it should be easy. Even if only 10 people were max glory rank right now I’d have hope to one day get there.

Balance: To be honest, there are plenty of frustrating balance issues. I watch streams where skilled players complain about d/d eles and trap rangers. Even no-skill hotjoin games are littered with them and can really make the game not very fun. Here’s the thing though… I actually like that Anet wants to be cautious and not nerf things too quickly. I just wish they’d find a middle ground and perhaps make a few VERY small tweaks once a month so that certain successful builds can remain strong, but not impossible to compete against.

just my 2c

How about the very lack of care put into spvp at all?

We have one single game-type and none others, no capture the flag, no deathmatches, nothing…

The mechanics and the gameplay are not the same in spvp as they are in pvE – which astounds me.

Some people rename on every event… I love my pets but having rheumatoid arthritis, I just can’t add my pets names every time I go from spvp to pve to wvw.

Cempa.5619:

New to Ranger and just tried Sword and noticed using the #1 ability roots me in place, could some one please explain to me if I am doing something wrong?

I noticed in GW2 by simply strafing and moving around my target I mitigate much damage but when I try to do it with sword the animation breaks and I assume so dose my damage?

Well if that is what is happening to me too, I am totally mystified.

Can’t move again even “after” the time of any root should be “gone”.

Can’t move until:

1. Stun Breaker

2. Death

I can’t say more than the picture.

My pets, both of them just stood there while sharks ate me alive.

They have never done that before this last patch… why are you doing this to us anet?

I have a couple of dozen of these.

I mashed f1 and f2 for quite a few minutes… Nothing

YET! Many characters can “shoot” or whatever they are doing over the wall in the Forest of Niflhel when I am standing on the landings above the keep and kill me without being near me.

Yeah right anet.

capuchinseven.8395:

atheria.2837:

…can’t take down anyone 1v1 in spvp and even in a support role…

Pet issues aside, of which there are many, I’m not sure what class you’re playing because I’m awesome in 1v1 sPVP.

You can say anything you want to in a forum but not many are going to believe you when they know that they are having the same issues as the rest of us.

So you are great? You’re great after the nerf (and it WAS a nerf)?

If so, let’s see some video of your spvp hotjoins and then show is the spec… otherwise, really, you’re just one who just wants to be above everyone else and say “hey they don’t know how to play/spec/monitor the character” wrong, very very wrong.

urinfamousr.7631:

we ever gonna do something about constant people going afk in spvp???

I’ve seen up to five people afk and it impacts the game and my view of the spvp in general.

I understand bio breaks that you just can’t manage to wait for but this going afk for several games in a row messes up the “balance” as well as the scores… and the laughing/scorn/ridicule from those who “win” in such games is disgusting.

anet get it together!

Vicariuz.1605:

Air Rage.4870:

Simple answer is because Anet doesn’t care about the PvP community.

I’d advise jumping to WoW or any other MMO that allows you to 1v1.

there was 1v1 in GW1, become educated.

Hate to tell you but they are talking about games that are “now” not “then”.

Well since we’re totally ignored, abused and forever hated by anet as well as the rest of the GW2 community we might as well just lay down in any pvp and allow them to kill us in an orderly manner.

I’ve done it. Why bother when you can’t possibly have a chance against 1v1, your pet doesn’t work and you are derided constantly by other players as “oh another Ranger, just great”.

anet, grow the heck up and give us the fixes you promised right around launch.

No, I don’t want to play any other character you created, I want my Ranger, with pets,, with traits that make logical sense and have that (as has been said many many many times) ‘gee I’d like that but I have to sacrifice that’ – that your other characters do have.

You want to know what I think is your problem anet? You don’t have a single person, developer, owner who actually hunts… you can’t possibly. This is not reality, it’s worse, it’s not even fantasy.

When you take a wild animal and you take even better care of it – it’s not sleeping in the wilderness alone, it’s not starving half the year, and it’s getting love, why wouldn’t that “pet” no matter whether it’s in fantasy or reality, have the same or better strength that it had before you tamed it.

I’ve said it before and I will say it again – Rangers don’t deserve being treated like the ugly step child who sleeps in the corner and is thrown a crumb or two a day.

We’ve waited, we’ve been patient, we just want our Ranger to finally be the epic character it has always been in fantasy.

My pet stands there. It doesn’t do any damage and until I switch I am being turned into a puddle of mush by single characters who I’d normally be at least escaping.

They really blew this patch – Ranger isn’t supposed to kitten out to the point of not even being able to use the pets at all.

anet, you are pushing players over the edge on this issue – Rangers need attention soon or you will start seeing a precipitous drop in players eventually

- We really want a good Ranger – not this mess that can’t take down anyone 1v1 in spvp and even in a support role (?) we are taken down even if our health pool is over 20k (!), locked, rooted, and then melted by over 100 hits from 1 to 3 players and f2 isn’t working at ALL (at times upwards towards 120 or more hits!).

I’ve got more screenshots than you would have time to look at… this is insanity. We paid for a game that we were told would have “awesome pets” and we get kittens. No kittens would do more damage and would at least move towards the something what was wiggling in front of them…

Get this fixed!

—Ranger doesn’t deserve to be ignored, or worse, damaged like this from a patch.

Those of you who “haven’t had that issue” go into pvp… just try.

Get to level 20+ in pvp and tell me it works well. I double dog dare you. ‘Cause guys, this ain’t workin’ well at all!

How about a link to your build for pvp – runes, amulets, all of it

What “tonic” are you talking about? Intention? I will take anything, rather than this nothing patch that didn’t help us at all….

Agadar.4931:

kesuh.3891:

Agadar.4931:

The thing about rangers is that if the player behind one doesn’t know how to play, then they’re the easiest kills in the entire world.

That goes for every profession..
Ranger with GS vs Warrior with GS.. Ranger won, Awkwaaaard xD

So that statement goes for every profession and not just the ranger. If you don’t know how to play the class, you are an easy kill.

No. A bad warrior still has plenty of health and armor to survive for a good long time. A bad mesmer still poops clones like no tomorrow. A bad thief will still be able to land huge crits and still has plenty of escape abilities. Likewise for elementalist. A bad necromancer will still have plenty of survivability. And so forth.

The ranger has none of this. Out of all classes, rangers depend the most on their own skill, not the innate abilities of the ranger class itself.

Above all else, your statement is probably the way to explain to the Devs in a way that would make sense to a new player on day 1 of any game.

Our tool set isn’t anywhere near the rest of the other characters.

Mocking us no, ignoring us mostly.

How many times are they going to “promise” balance and the real changes needed for Ranger, period?

There are many players who are only comfortable playing one “type” of character – ergo your strengths in the game come from your affinity for the mechanics and the “type” of person you are weilding.

Get it together devs, this isn’t what Ranger should be… with our pets we should be the character to be feared, not scorned and laughed at – and boy are we being laughed at by many.

Don’t say “you don’t know how to play” – buzzzzzzzzzzzzz wrong answer.

I am a rank 21 in spvp – my scores go from a pittance in most but up into the high 200s – I know what I am doing as a “support” character.

My pet rarely does what they are supposed to be doing – they don’t leap, they don’t jump, they don’t move a lot of the time. Without a viable and stable pet, the Ranger is toast very quickly.

It’s not our “game play style” it is the game not doing what it should be doing. I have screenshots galore but I have no idea how to do a video for nothing from the game to show how very many times this has happened – it’s insane to go through this week after painful week.

Why are the Devs telling us one thing and doing another?

pvE for Rangers is easy and fun – not all easy but far easier than most others at low level

pvp and wvw are just a joke… we can’t 1v1 90% of the time.

Makes me wonder who the beta testers were and why they had such an easy time from what I’ve read… what changed?

What was left out?

Why are we being treated like this?

Intuos.3210:

When using Rapid Fire skill, the ranger will continue firing even if the enemy is dead and wont let you use a different attack until rapid fire is completely done.

This particular bug gets me a lot of grief in spvp!

Darnis.4056:

Sign up with friends, Join a guild, many guilds will recruit teach and carry .
If you wanna Rank up fast you should just stick to non-tournament SPVP btw..

Many players don’t have friends in real life who play MMOs

Brewster.5473:

For those leveling rangers and wondering about builds and equipment, I suggest that you spend a lot of time in sPvP before you spend a lot of money on lvl 80 gear. It is invaluable to see what really works and suits your playstyle.
Mine is similar to Mog’s signet build except I have 20 in WS in lieu of NM. It gives me a great 6s invulnerable, stability and resistance to movement impairing abilities which is important in WvW. I use skills that provide Fury and try to keep it up most of the time. Consequently, I picked traits and other things that trigger off crit because I crit a lot.
The main thing though is to find something that works for you. Good luck with your rangers!

Do you have a link to your build directly?

MouthForWar.4210:

12v12 GvG, hopefully CTF, maybe some of the current game types, would be a total blast.

I don’t think it needs to be a tournament setting for guild pvp, as a lot of organized teams are probably going to be guildies, with the exception of a few last minute pug players (which are still usually pretty experienced)

I agree wholeheartedly with this post…. GW1 kept me playing for 7 years because of the PvP. GvG, Random Arenas, Team Arenas, Alliance Battles, Competitive Missions, Heroes’ Ascent…. the myriad of game types and options were just everything I could ask for from pvp. There was space for every player to thrive, at least when GW was in its prime.

I agree most with bringing back old school GW1 pvp but not exclusively. GW2 pvp has a nice feel, I enjoy it, it’s very user friendly, very easy to get started. Bit of a challenge to get seriously into. With some inclusion of GW1 style pvp, it’d be the perfect addition to GW2’s current systems that a lot of players are asking for, but without ruining it for the players that enjoy this current type of PvP.

GW 2 devs – I know that as a manager and past business owner for every one person you hear from on a subject, there are 10 who don’t speak.

I hadn’t seen the spvp update – I saw it tonight as I searched for some help for my Ranger (ahem) and found the message that spvp will be changing, but I am still hoping for a transfer of the GW1 to GW2 spvp – as an adjunct and a capture the flag as well as the planned 1v1 – which will be a great day for those of us who don’t have any “real” human friends to play “with”.

Thanks for listening and for making this the best MMO.

Nothing touches it, we just want spvp to be better so we will stay another 7+ years here… and not elsewhere when some innovative programmer dangles pvp in our faces again…

We know that it’s a lot of work coding and making sure betas are relatively smooth – please just remember that pvp is a large part of what keeps many people in any game for the long haul.

spvp is the reason I play any MMO.

That said, I have noticed that guilds that are doing a lot of scheduled WvW are doing well in “population” but others that aren’t and whose focus is pvE but far more spvp are not doing “as well”.

So the fix?

1. Bring in the pvp from GW1 as many have noised in these forums and around the web. Not exclusively but as an addition to what you have done wonders to bring us already, many have said you did a wonderful job – why waste that pvp style that so many loved – GW1 doesn’t lose anything by sharing.

2. Give us the ability to join in groups or as guild members as large on each side as can be done in each map.

3. Give us “capture the flag” in spvp, please as soon as possible.

The “largest active member MMO” on Earth can afford to give us the best pvp experience ever, we know it… and we’re waiting for it.

Dustile.1028:

I can’t find an option to limit camera distance. Does one exist? Right now it zooms out way too far. My character becomes very tiny >.< . I want to use the mouse wheel button for dodging but I keep accidentally zooming out the camera. Any way to lock the camera distance or unbind the mouse wheel from camera distance? Something…?

And mine doesn’t zoom out far enough – I am wondering why so many (see other postings on the forums) are saying they have the same issues you and I have but are 180 degrees different…

Why can’t we have both the GW1 and the GW2 styles in the same game?

Biomanz.9302:

I always like hotjoins where the players actually say stuff in chat, even if it’s “l2p nub”, “2222222 thief” jajaajaja. Always amusing but also shows some players caring about learning their class more. I hate silent games where it seems people don’t give a kitten at all.

I have to say it – I absolutely love your tagline! I got a good laugh from it

Raijinn.9065:

Think engineers hold that title. Since the last patch there have been more rangers since ever. He’s right there needs to be a range limit on these pets

All of my pets go down extremely fast – I don’t know where you people get that “pets” are a problem in any way or any scenario.

QueenHysteria.1084:

Hello,

I just wanted to share my thoughts and experiences with GW1 and GW2 PVP. I played guild wars one for about 5 years while spending most of that doing PVP about 80% of the time. When I picked up GW2 it took me a while to get used to the new changes but here is what I noticed.

So far I’ve enjoyed the PVE side of the game the most and that’s where GW2 shines through the brightest. It provides a non linear experience and that’s what the previous game had too much of some times but it still followed a good story which I see has continued into this game and that is good.

PVP wise I don’t see myself getting into this game. While PVP in GW1 meaty with endless options to customize and build your characters so that no 2 were every really the same unless you wanted them to be, I found GW2’s PVP to be extremely linear. Mostly it’s the same skill set with the option to change it slightly by picking a selection of few different skills that might be useful, and then opening up a larger but still limited pallet by changing your weapons that are also limited to your class.

The system really is a major kickdown to how open it used to be and feels extremely linear. You typically use the same 4 main skills over and over again and it becomes dull and redundant very fast. The lack of being able to change and tweak your character (skill wise and not point wise) makes every match just feel the same. Now I know people from other MMO’s are used to dealing with the same skill set so they wouldn’t understand but people that came here from GW1 know what I mean when I say “linear skill set”.

I also found the same problem with GW1 in GW2 and that’s that the spell casting classes have the upper hand in the game still over melee or weapon using classes. The area damage these classes do is still massive and puts them at a major advantage over non casting classes. The biggest disappointment so far was seeing how the Ranger class was reduced in PVP useability significantly. They lack everything that made them worthwhile in GW1. No ability to improve their armor, blind enemies, cripple enemies, lethally poison enemies, burn enemies, trap enemies etc. etc. All those things are truly missing and it makes their class feel extremely weak. Arrows or more of just a nuisance and do very little battle worthy damage. As you can no longer take an opponent down simply by shooting them to death like in the previous game. Now, I do know that some of the abilities I mentioned have been updated and transferred to GW2 but, they perform nothing as they did in GW1 and are no way on the same level. There is no longer such thing as a Trapper, Interrupt,or Burning arrow ranger. The skills are to weak now to be the main focus of a build. Things like not having “throw dirt” as a way to blind melee attackers so you can focus on your target really make Rangers a very open and “squishy target”.

My gosh you said what I’ve been trying to convey about spvp since day 1.

Other games have been totally abandoned over such inequities such as those above and more…

spvp is a zerg fest and it’s not right to give us “same old, same old” instead of taking the great pvp from GW1 and expanding it – making it the BEST in the MMO field, rather than the most abysmal.

TWMagimay.9057:

Morvani.2937:

For those of you who heap scorn on those, like myself, who choose the solo path for reasons relating to real life issues, I challenge you: Take on one of us. Be understanding when we need to go AFK at inconvenient times. Don’t accuse us of leeching XP/rewards/whatever if we are AFK for extended periods.

-snip-

I’d like to team to do these. I really would. But nothing in this forum, and nothing I’ve experienced in the past, shows me that, outside of my tiny crew, I’ll find anything but frustration and discourtesy. I have every sympathy for those who are in the same boat as me.

Here are the issues I have with your post:
- This is your situation and you have to deal with it. Not some random people you met today.
- You expect courtesy from strangers, yet can’t show them the same? I could never understand how smb can go in a dungeon with a pug group knowing that they might not be available for the run(emergencies happen, bio breaks happen, can’t see it coming, but when you know…). I’ve had issues that put me in such situation. And if I knew there is a chance I might have to leave(from pc/net issues through sick cat to on-call at work), I simply didn’t pug. Because I feel bad when I’m leeching(being afk while the rest are doing stuff and you get a reward for it is the definition of leeching) or making people wait on me)in case they can’t keep going without me).
- You say you are in it for the social aspect, right? Well, be social. Join a big guild, talk to people. Strangers don’t care. And you can’t expect them to, because they are, well, strangers. Guildies are somewhere between friends and strangers. Even if you never said a word to them, they are far more likely to accept and tolerate you(unless it’s impossible to progress without u), at least for a while.

I’ve never seen a more uncompassionate person in a MMO forum.

Apparently you’ve never had a disabled or dying person to take care of by yourself.

Meanness will never make this game better – you’d better grow up and learn some compassion soon.

Ze Dos Cavalos.6132:

Anymras.5729:

They make it take forever

To get a random group takes 1 min + 15 to finish dungeon.
16 min on a random group is to much of your time?

I’ve been in many dungeons that took an hour to finish.

Get real – this person is a real person who is asking for people to be patient when in very long dungeons.

Sirevanac.3178:

You can check Clark for more or less a thousand topics about thieves, and how to go against them. Its pretty much have your stunbreaker always ready, dont go a glass cannon build.

Even game and balance developers said “learn to play”. And its like that because its really not op. Sorry to tell you like that, but its like that.

If I do what you say I will never get into a tournament – Rangers against Thieves? Instant death.

It’s not always about players NOT knowing “how” to play.

So I have a great build, it’s better than all the builds combined, but I am not happy…

Melee isn’t my thing, Rangers are supposed to be “RANGED” and aren’t.

Our skills as seen in my scores of the last few games that have been mostly melee have been some of the most successful that I’ve had since before the game went public.

I am frustrated that my bows (either) or my rifle (only gun???) are worthless, and I mean worthless in spvp.

I am ax/warhorn — sword/dagger as found elsewhere on this forum and it’s “survivability” is “ok” not great but I am not happy that I can’t do anything “great” at “range” with the weapons that are “ranged” at this point.

I have a decent idea for spvp:

Besides that balance you’re thinking of for January, how about increasing the life pool of every single character to three to five times what it is now

Then some would have the TIME to get to us and help us (calling incs – it’s long overdue) to be “teams” that are working together – because as it is, spvp is a huge fail because there is no communiation between people for many of the spvp games and even in the tpvp pick-up games and it’s more than frustrating, it’s downright lonely.

How about addressing the communication problem in WvW and in pvp?

It’s long overdue.

Loco.4561:

I play a D/D Ele and have since early beta. I hope they don’t listen to the whining that’s starting to generate on the forums, as D/D Ele at least takes a degree of class skill and knowledge to play well.

I’d like to see a buff to rangers they really need it, slight buff to Engi’s, no nerf’s to thieves and bug fixes!!!

Well said and I agree.

Varatha in the screenshot – left side.

Apparently no one knows how good this build really is.

I have rheumatoid arthritis and it’s not easy to play “well” when you have hands that don’t do what you are telling them to do…

I appreciate the time it took to put together a posting and the game-play research that in all actuality helped one person who has been a VERY long time MMO player (back to text dungeons and paper dungeons… yeah, that long).

Hey devs, look at this and build AROUND it for WvW and tournament play – I did die, but nowhere NEAR as much as I have in the past – what – five months?

In all actually, I finally contributed to an SPVP game – I may not be able to do it all the time, but at least I know there is a build that can help a disabled person’s self esteem when they want and love to play Ranger.

I’d love to have every single rune and detail, I didn’t see that in the build – intothemists.com is far better than was posted as far as telling details.

THANK YOU!

I am now proud of my Ranger.

PS. I do still get owned by thieves… but in groups at least I can “survive” a bit longer.

Doesn’t losing in spvp mean that you have less points?

I don’t get it…

I get hit 90+ times and die (up to 140 times!) they can STILL hit by me until they are down but they can still get up and destroy me.

I know I am not a “bad” player even with rheumatoid arthritis, I’ve played MMOs as long as they have been around but I win far more on my “wimpy” Ranger in spvp with support, my warrior seems useless unless I use a GS – why can’t the rifle and ax/shield do as well – I can’t do GS with my disorientation issues. (working on them in the game – it’s part of my personal ‘rehabilitation’)

Yiyojin.3241:

Rangers are overpowered now.

Excuse me? That’s just a wrong and totally unprovable statement.

Rangers are the weakest link in GW2.

A thing that would make it easier for me to enjoy spvp is to be able to join with someone to be on the same side – teams of just two would be better than none.

MindlessRuff.1948:

Once you have been hit by 100 blades “X” (this could depend on a wide variety of things) number of times you will realize that you have developed better awareness of it and will get hit with it much less often, same goes for other gimmicky glass cannon burst builds such as Backstab thieves. You will reach this point only if you actually feel like spending some time getting better at learning the game just like everyone else.

Another person who thinks that a person who can’t counter a outrageous move is not a good player…

That’s a worse cop-out than saying it’s overpowered.

Want to prove it’s counterable? Show us. Please.

Otherwise, stop griefing for no real reason.

Rie.6789:

You will need someone with you that has ranged attacks. You can’t do it with melee.

If your character is mainly melee, why would your “personal” story be one that is a “ranged character” only soloable?

No logic whatsoever. I agree – my warrior is having issues where my Ranger never did.

Why is Ranger so horrid in PVP and so darned decent in PvE and exactly the opposite for my poor Charr Warrior??

xbutcherx.3861:

Lol QQ goodbye thread? Another guy that doesn’t know how to play and the best way to learn is quitting and flaming mesmer and thieves. Well goodbye.

Another person who doesn’t know how to play?

That’s your answer to everything, those of you who dominate a game with an overwhelming number of one single charater or two and then the tournaments are not a challenge of who is better on the keyboard, it’s just how good is my bunker build and how long can I hold out – and it’s darn strange that I don’t see Rangers in this conversation anywhere.

Get over it, it’s not about qq’ing, it’s about being able to have an enjoyable tpvp or spvp and win some of the time, not all of the time.

Many of the characters in GW2 are not as good as the two and Rangers are consistently on the bottom rung and others like elementalists are also out of luck with most combos of characters in spvp or tpvp.

How about this… if it is more than three in any pvp, there be no “three thieves” to or more on any one side and maybe even include the less powerful as a necessity to going into 8v8 or any tpvp one to one ratios and not the overwhelming numbers of types of characters on one side or the other that has players just sit back from their keyboards and ride out a bad instance – or more until the balance tilts in their favor…. ridiculous.

As a person who does more pvp than many, I find that when you have two or more players who are not playing and you are losing that it’s a problem with the mini-game in the first place.

Lately I’ve seen players standing around for several instances of the map battles as they change but some are even going as far as to move to the end of a map point and hide.

This needs to change soon, it’s unfair when I am not a great player as it is so even with my “pvp booster” I am getting far too little glory points because of the imbalanced game play from players who just won’t fight – some get a few points but most get none… so the question is begged…

Is it possible to pop a pvp glory and then stand there and do nothing at all and still garner a single point?

Why are people standing around in spvp for hours without hitting a single key and why isn’t there a way for the system to remove these players who not just after joining but map after map after map change do absolutely nothing and whoever’s team gets them will most likely lose.

Jeffrey maybe it’s time for a database of our characters and which step we are on, which ones were skipped and have a “metric” from which to “fix” important issues…

There are more and more issues found that were supposedly fixed and some that weren’t implemented when it was made plain that they would be.

We know it’s a new game but a database would help soooo much with tracking these incidents instead of asking the user who might have quit in literal pain after “wasting” time on a game that started out so easily loved.