Guild Wars 2

Kline.9561:

Xeph.4513:

Here it is, please feel free to discuss.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hByqoWsnz-I

after watching this I get a good idea of what kind of people are in charge of pvp.
not only does jonathan sharp stick to his guns in what hes been saying for the past 3 months but he talks about other games as well that require balanced competitive play and he talks about them in a sensible understanding while correlating a point about spvp balance(like not rushing things and making sweeping changes)

the impression i get is that, sharp is a gamer to the core and understands both sides of the coin of being a developer and a gamer.

Must be nice to have the full attention of a dev – the rest of us just don’t have a chance.

Marduh.4603:

And you know that nothing should interrupt dodge? Earlier basilisk venom interrupted dodge and it quickly corrected.

“Nothing should interrupt dodge?”

Wrong… No wait, should is right but it’s not right… we are being stopped from dodging in many cases, so why is dodge there again?

Many things can interrupt dodge, ergo my thread on this very subject.

Why isn’t the thread showing to me now?

sigh

sPvP isn’t the only thing broken.

Funny that I can’t see any of the postings in this thread now….

Here’s the screenshot:

Yasha.5963:

Hi atheria, I share your pain with those bleeding thieves….. Everyday its like a new ranger killer thief build comes out, but I think the challange and perhaps masachistic fun is to think of counter builds.

But I digress. I’m pretty certain you are facing a deathblossoming caltrop farter thief. They are usually slightly tougher than the average HS spammer. Is it one that farts out some caltrops, does some artsyfartsy deathblossoming and then disappears before you can lay three or four of your ranger burst abilities (err, I mean auto-attack) on them? Comes back out of steath fully healed and rinse and repeat? The best way to beat this guy is with the elite spirit and a boon-bot build and an axe. Healing spring is good because it removes a? condition, but because its fixed in one place, the thief is probably going to fart caltops on top of it, limiting its effectiveness.

Unfortunately, its easy-peazy for the thief to withdraw once he sees things aren’t going well, and also the boon-bot build is not really heaps of fun if you like to pew pew.

Alternatively you could try going for traps, actually thief is pretty weak to conditions as they don’t have a condition removal utility. You’ll have to run the renewal signet, 30 point trait in WS, and bring some wolves (fear gets them out of the invisible dome, and limits their postioning).

I say use axe, because as long as there is something to bounce off- treb, another enemy- you can keep the pressure on even when the caltrop farter is in stealth.

You will also need lots of luck. But be thankful you are only facing a caltrop farter and not a really powerful thief build……

I disagree with one thing you said:

Alternatively you could try going for traps, actually thief is pretty weak to conditions as* they don’t have a condition removal utility.*

Uh, yes they do, specific removal of conditions such as bleeding – Ranger’s don’t.

Ours seem to be more of a " remove “a” condition" and it doesn’t help.

Daltonymous.7259:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/8/88/Skill_bar.jpg

the yellow bars above health is endurance, it goes down when you dodge and refills slowly, if its empty you cant dodge.

I know you probably already know this, but always keep an eye on that.

Another thing, is most abilities that claim to remove conditions remove them one at a time. I do not know if thats the case for healing spring or your signet, but I’m presuming so.

65 hits from bleed isn’t unusual either, a higher health pool might help with that, although removing it is always the best way to go if you can. Also bear in mind that if its removed, it can sometimes be re-applied straight away if they are paying attention to your buff bar (as any decent condition spec player should be doing).

Hope this helps some.

Yes, my endurance bar (which isn’t and never has been “labled” as such in game) was at full each and every time I popped both skills – no reason I should not have been able to dodge.

Daltonymous.7259:

Did you have enough endurance to dodge? did you completely remove the conditions? were you rooted?

3 stacks per attack + 3 attacks = 9 stacks, which will hit 63 times over 7 seconds, no doubt being reapplied in that time.

You can’t dodge a condition that is already active, and if you use condition removal you might not remove the bleed, but another condition instead.

I’m not sure how the ranger signet works, whether your pet pulls all conditions off you to itself or only allies, but what I’ve told you so far is facts.

Don’t get angry at people who are trying to help you bro.

I am not a “bro” – very female here

Endurance is where in Ranger? Where do you see the bar if it’s a bar?

…And I am not the angry one.

Upset about the state of the pvp game-play, yes, angry, no.

I don’t know if I was rooted, but the conditions are supposed to be removed and I used all I had to remove them – popped after I was hit but the hits kept coming, I couldn’t move and my dodge should have worked somewhere in there….

It seems that it’s getting worse since I used to do better before the last patch.

Adwila.1392:

Mechanics are the same in both tPvP and sPvP. If a Caltrop Thief is stacking 20+ stacks of bleeds on you because you stand on those nails, it’s true for both sPvP and tPvP, also I wasn’t talking about tPvP I was just telling you how things are since you judge other people based on what class they’re playing, and assume they have no knowledge of other classes whatsoever.
But I digress, we all tried to understand what the problem was here but nothing came out of it, I’m outta here.

You didn’t answer a single part of my posting.

You didn’t answer how I can hit “both” of my “mitigation” skills and still not be able to dodge before going into a downed state… right.

Adwila.1392:

What do you mean it’s not removing the conditions enough to dodge? What you keep saying in this thread makes no sense, we tried to help you, you keep babbling nonsense, and let me tell you one more thing, the fact that I main Guardian means nothing, as I know every single class since I had to learn them in order to play Paid TPvP in a competitive way.

I answered – and showed what happened by way of my screenshots.

Hitting my “Signet of Removal” and my “Healing Spring” at basically the same time didn’t mitigate squat – so how is that “fair” when thieves have two mechanisms to specifically remove those conditions and I do not???

I am not talking about tPvP – did you even read my postings?

This is about sPvP not tPvP and they are two different animals.

Aragiel.6132:

before we go for next discussion..

how long do you play the game in sPvP?
And what exactly we blame here?

the fact that you were hit by bleeds true dodge roll?
or you press your dodge button and nothing happened?

I play spvp more than I pvE.

Adwila.1392:

No, you don’t have a “very good understanding” of the game mechanics, based on your posts and you random rambling it’s quite clear that you, in fact, don’t.
I’m sorry if I may seem rude but you just kept on saying you can’t dodge/heal those bleeding stacks…well you know that Bleeding is just ONE condition, so Healing Spring would suffice in removing it, and if it doesn’t you still have Spirit of Nature, which is quite strong aswell as you can use it just before you die and resurrect yourself aswell.

When you are playing a Ranger and know what you are talking about, let us all know.

I am popping Healing Spring and my Signet of Renewal at the same time and it’s still not removing the conditions enough to dodge.

Tired of the griefing and the non-answers to the unbalances and the uber-power/stealthing of other characters.

When you play a Ranger to 80 then talk, until then you have no idea what you are talking about – and it shows – Guardian.

Adwila.1392:

Not sure if troll, but if not it’s clear you don’t have a basic understanding of this game mechanics, I’m sorry.

What you just said * is trolling *

I have a very good understanding of the mechanics and saying I do not is wrong and extremely mean when you can’t see me playing.

deviller.9135:

Empathic Bond (occurs periodically, requires living pet) >>>periodic does not mean you will cleanse from condition after you are struck by a skill which gives you condition. It will cleanse you every 10 s. (in 2.5 s, it will cleanse you once).

Healing Spring’s conditions removal also works only once (but if it works like ele healing skill, then its every 3 s).

The problem with you cannot dodge from an attack which immobilized you (and you break it by and ability) but its rarely happen (the only thing I noted is usually you cannot move (which can be fix by dodge/moving your character with some skills).

Condition which had been applied to you cannot be dodged.

So nothing I do will work, thanks, got it.

…And you aren’t understanding; I am not trying to “dodge” the effect after it’s on, I am trying to dodge after I’ve done all I can (signet and healing at the same time) and still can not dodge , that’s not just a balance issue, that’s making sure that the Ranger isn’t a viable character in the game at all.

Chriswck.6490:

I admire a few of the noble and patient souls here.

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“If my healing spring is working why aren’t others and myself being “cured” of conditions, why do they continue to “stack” rather than “heal”?”

There are builds where thieves can apply stacks of bleeding quickly, and it is possible that they are “stacking” much faster than you are “healing”.

So you’re saying, in essence, that I have no chance because my skills/traits/builds are no match for a Thief.

Yep, really a lot of help there.

Griefing isn’t washing here. Not at all.

Coraliine.1597:

I am so entertained by this thread. /popcorn

Says the “Guardian” who can’t be killed.

Thanks for the griefing.

Thought that was against the rules.

Aragiel.6132:

Ok, we are getting closer.
So Thief? How is that thief is getting so many bleeds on you? There is only one build i know so far who is able to do it and thats Caltrops build.

Is that the case? Because normally, thief is a class that can escape from fights.. pretty much like noone else. Its his role. he is this annoying guy who is jumping everywhere bursting and then he has to escape otherwise he is dead.

But your case seems more likely as Caltrops build, where the thief is applying lot of bleeds on you. In that case, its a bit different deal, but at the end its also very easy to handle this build. just stay out of range of caltrops and you will be fine.

btw.. im not high lvl ranger player, i play ranger proffesion lately (lvl 63 in WvW), but so far no issues with thiefes. Ranger is one of best 1v1 proffesions..

I am not talking about WvW, I am talking about spvp, a whole different animal.

Aragiel.6132:

Ok, we are getting closer.
So Thief? How is that thief is getting so many bleeds on you? There is only one build i know so far who is able to do it and thats Caltrops build.

Is that the case? Because normally, thief is a class that can escape from fights.. pretty much like noone else. Its his role. he is this annoying guy who is jumping everywhere bursting and then he has to escape otherwise he is dead.

But your case seems more likely as Caltrops build, where the thief is applying lot of bleeds on you. In that case, its a bit different deal, but at the end its also very easy to handle this build. just stay out of range of caltrops and you will be fine.

The devs will have to tell you how it’s happening…

If my signet is working why am I bleeding out?

If my healing spring is working why aren’t others and myself being “cured” of conditions, why do they continue to “stack” rather than “heal”?

Imbalance isn’t imagined, it’s provable by the over 500 screenshots I’ve taken in the past month or two.

…And saying "stay clear " of a character that can stealth (when it should be just as easy for me to do as a “Ranger”) isn’t going to help one single bit.

…that’s what I thought.

When you play Ranger to 80, then talk to me about the mechanics and skills working “properly”.

Right now Ranger isn’t working correctly and this game’s devs know it.

And you didn’t answer…

Are you now and have you played a Ranger?

It’s not easy and sometimes it’s not even fun.

pvE isn’t the game for all of us, many of us are pvp lovers and we want it working correctly.

The point here is spvp… I have no issues other than being stuck in pvE.

If I can’t dodge, heal or move after applying a healing spring and my signet is active in spvp then what else can I do?

Nothing.

Aragiel.6132:

nope, you are just showing how you can´t deal with conditions. While the first post was about dodging.. then bleeds, and later on we have some summary of cleansing skills.

Whats the point man? can you be clear and tell us whats your real issue? If you do so.. we might try to help you.

You’re apparently not reading my posts, I am using every single “thing” I can to mitigate bleeds, poison and burning but it’s not working… but the thief can just roll away when I hit him with everything I’ve got… right.

Aragiel.6132:

before we go for next discussion..

how long do you play the game in sPvP?
And what exactly we blame here?

the fact that you were hit by bleeds true dodge roll?
or you press your dodge button and nothing happened?

How about the fact that I have a signet that is supposed to “mitigate” conditions such as bleeds, poison and burning but they aren’t working, so even if I have a “signet” that heals and a “healing spring” going all at the same time I am not healed enough to “dodge” but the thief can and will get out of every single thing I can do no matter what and I will die from being rooted from something I can’t heal, I can’t see and I can’t stop.

If they have two mitigations for one condition how in the world is that “balanced”?

How much have you played Ranger? Since day one?

I have and I love my character and I have always loved pvp but again this is not pvp, it’s just plain old slaughter, no skills, completely unmitigatable damage.

If my signets and healing spring don’t “cure” then what does?

Dying.

Not blaming “everything” lol!

I am showing that the imbalances are real, they are wrong and they are stopping many from enjoying a game that is tilted to Thieves.

Traits that remove bleeding

Pure of Voice (upon activating a shout) Guardian
Automated Response (when your health reach 25%) Engineer
Empathic Bond (occurs periodically, requires living pet) —what’s periodic? Ranger (alive pet? are you kidding?)
Pain Response (when struck while under 75% health) Thief
Shadow’s Embrace (occurs periodically, must be in stealth) Thief

Again the Thief gets it all.

…and since “Signet of Renewal” is “supposed” to relieve those “conditions” it’s very broken – there’s nothing else I can do and neither can any other Ranger.

If our Signets don’t work then how in the world are we supposed to compete with those who have specific heals for conditions?

Then spvp for Rangers is truly broken.

If we can’t mitigate a “condition” but the other player can (and they can specifically) then it’s so unbalanced as to be unplayable by many.

You aren’t answering the question and neither has anything I’ve seen or researched.

After I have been hit and after I have healed, why can’t I “dodge”?

If you are “healed” you should be able to once again dodge, but when you are being hit by a computer’s freaky fast algorithms (sixty five hits in less than two-three seconds really?) one doesn’t stand a chance and again my post stands.

Pvp means you have a chance, but with most Rangers you will be on the losing side more often than not – not because I don’t know my skill-set or I am not “fast enough” but because the other person has tools that are specific and I do not.

So thieves can mitigate bleeding but a Ranger CAN NOT, how is that remotely balanced????

Heal as One
Heal yourself and your pet.

Healing Spring
Create a spring that heals you, your pet, and your allies. It also cures conditions on allies.

Troll Unguent
You and your pet regenerate health over time.

Thief
Hide in Shadows

Vanish in stealth and gain regeneration. Cures burning, poison, and bleeding. —- Very specific – ours is not so am I being healed or not???

Signet of Malice
Signet
Passive: Heals when you attack.
Active: Gain health.

Withdraw
Roll backward while healing and evade attacks. Cures immobilized, chilled, and crippled.

Zeke Minus.5720:

You can dodge all other attacks for the most part, but conditions are the one thing you cannot dodge. Bleed, burn, poison, etc., they all hit you through immunity spells and dodges.

You have to learn to cleanse them when necessary and plan for them if they’re an issue. They can be very potent and sneak up on you since they keep hitting, but many professions have ways to cleanse reliably.

Excuse me but when I am applying bleeds they can dodge!

The more you say, the less sense it makes.

Zeke Minus.5720:

You cannot dodge conditions. Bleeding is a condition.

I hit my heal, it healed, I hit dodge, I can’t dodge…

You’re saying that even if I heal as much as I have it won’t matter? Are you kidding?

This isn’t pvp.

My posting stands and my pictures are a testiment to the unbalance that we are facing as “other” than thieves.

And if what you say is true why aren’t my bleeds hurting them as much as theirs are hurting me ?

No logic whatsoever on this one.

This can be called slaughter, murder and mayhem but it isn’t pvp.

I was stuck too.

I was at the end of the screen and was stuck so I paid to get to a waypoint only to be stuck exactly the same way until I paid AGAIN!

Another player was standing there perplexed and felt sorry for me…

Well, I didn’t feel sorry for myself but I am starting to feel sorry for paying for a game that has no “stuck” feature that works properly.

To say that spvp is broken is a bit strong, but when you are hitting keys and they don’t work and then you click the corresponding icon on the screen madly and still nothing lets you dodge, you know that the mechanic is very broken.

Dodge didn’t work for most of the spvp games I played tonight – not one spvp game but several.

I can’t show you a screenshot of it not working but I have the screenshots for when it happened and I am sick and tired of the devs putting out podcasts with “high level” players but not taking care of the people who are paying and playing on a more “casual” level.

You promised balance in spvp – yeah, right.

Why am I still seeing things like dodge working in pvE but not PvP?

Why am I still seeing that there are five players on one side and eight players on the other?

Why am I seeing that a player can hit me 65 times and I can’t dodge when it’s just a single player hitting me?

Yep, the thief and it’s not funny any longer, sixty-five hits! is more than just "a bit unbalanced when I have a “pet” that can do nothing and I can do nothing to stop that one single player from hitting me.

This is not only “unbalanced” it’s frustrating compared to other pvp in other games.

When you make a game, the most used components in the long run will be the pvp aspect and the dungeon aspect.

I am an 80 Ranger who is tired of being laughed at and told in game and nastily that I am a bad player and to roll a “warrior”.

I don’t want to play a warrior, I want to be a great Ranger and this game is now allowing those of us with a passion for pets to play to our strengths with this more-than-kitten-broken-spvp.

Why is it I can help in pvE just fine, but when I get into spvp I am toast???

Fix spvp!

For spvp to have team joins is just a no-brainer.

I want to play with others even casually, not just with my guild and not get separated from them when the map changes.

Panther Chameleon.8465:

Dude, there’s more “grind” in spvp than pve. You have to fight the same burst builds over and over and over capturing the same kittening points. Nobody communicates in hotjoin and it’s just who can get the most “kill credit” for the most glory. Then, you get to play the lotto with your glory with chests and salvage all that kitten in hopes you get something that isn’t a kittening wolf finisher or another kittening arcane orb. My advice? Stay in pve if you like it more.

I think you hit the nail on the head more than most have:

“Nobody communicates in hotjoin and it’s just who can get the most “kill credit” for the most glory."

spvp isn’t fun when no one communicates.

I really miss the “capture the flag” from WoW…

Other “types” do need to be incorporated into the spvp system as well as being able to choose the map you want to go into – I don’t want to go into some of them!

90% of the time after my Ranger has “rallied” I am dead in the next hit anyway and even when I am not, the spoken of randomness of “death” after “rally” is very disturbing.

Half the time my animation says that my pet isn’t “listening” to my key strokes.

Another thing to fix in the “Ranger” toolkit besides the ones already mentioned here in this thread.

Pets in spvp are useless, in pvE they are barely a help at times.

I honestly don’t think I’ve ever been so confused about point allocation in any game…

How do you tell which is going to work in PvE or PvP or WvW?

I need a pvp build, really tired of dying and rooting.

You aren’t a Ranger, I take it…

And I just spent over 45 minutes or more doing exactly what you stated… and they the swords re-spawned after I had them all gone – did yours?

It’s per race that I believe there are problems that aren’t being seen by “everyone”. My screenshots are proof that there are issues with the system.

I just got out of the instance – and after days of not being there… all of a sudden there is a star way down in Orr.

Well my screenshot proves it wasn’t there before and I am tired of the “now you see it, now you don’t” of this game – there are bugs that aren’t being taken seriously.

There is no marker in the Ruins of Orr, none.

So now what?

Making me feel like I am doing something wrong instead of asking for screenshots is just wrong.

I’ve been putting in screenshots ingame for over a week.

You hurt me in real life – I am not a dumb person who didn’t check the map and I certainly asked enough people and all of them were stumped.

Then I went to the net and checked and researched and checked again…

I use this game as physical therapy – I have rheumatoid arthritis so I am not a fast player and I am certainly not as proficient as some, but I am not stupid, I am a computer professional (excuse me, was for 25 years) and after this I will be more careful about asking for help in the forums at all.

This is why people don’t want to ask in the forums… and many don’t because they know they aren’t being listened to the first time.

Ok, then I am totally confused.

I am following the green personal story star, and I am in the instance it says I need to be in….

So why did I just follow (for who know how many times) spend all that silver to get here, follow the star all over the map and then enter the instance where my personal star is only to find locked doors, a note I can’t read and NPCs who don’t forward my storyline?

I am following directions here – please stop telling me I did something wrong – according to the same directions I have followed since being a level on and knowing how to get into my storyline and instances, it seems like you are not looking at the darned picture or caring that I am really stuck.

If I could find another way do you really think I would ask for help in a place where I am sure to draw personal fire as being dumb and not understanding the program? Really?

Andronis.3926:

This game has become a huge waste of time and worse. money. I play rangers/hunters in every game I have ever played. I like attacking from a distance and I cannot tolerate warrior classes. Rangers have been ignored since the release of this game while other classes just get more and more powerful. When people ask me what games I can suggest them to play, I have always tried to lead them to whatever I am currently playing. Since I am normally having fun with it. This is not the case with GW2. The refer a friend weekend got no response from me at all. I don’t want my friends getting mad at me for having them buy a badly designed game. This could have been so much more, and so much better. The events have been the only thing that has kept me playing. Since the ancient kurka event, I haven’t even logged in. My ranger class is a joke. Why bother? I guess I will chalk this one up as a game that was barely better than Diablo III. But that still doesn’t say much. Totally let down yet again.

crosses fingers and prays that ESO is what I am looking for

They have no idea how badly they are mismanaging a huge part of the game that could be so much better…

atheria.2837:

Ranger – level 80 stuck and can’t get a door to open or an NPC to respond.

It keeps telling me to go back out of the instance or meet the pact squad at Shelter Docks" but won’t change where the bright green “here I am, come kill me” light to change and reloading over and over and *over isn’t working.

Could not get this one to post unless I did it separately.

Ranger – level 80 stuck and can’t get a door to open or an NPC to respond.

It keeps telling me to go back out of the instance or meet the pact squad at Shelter Docks" but won’t change where the bright green “here I am, come kill me” light to change and reloading over and over and *over isn’t working.

I have a screenshot… that’s all I have as a record of what is supposed to be in my inventory.

I had one open slot before I took the glory items (two of them) nothing is there and I didn’t delete them – I deleted a scrap of cloth and another junk item… still nothing.

Titan.1580:

My Ranger got picked up by a passing Liberator and took me somewhere else I did not expect. Although I feel the land of GW2 to be polished and well done, the broken class mechanics were soon forgotten as I traded by Longbow and Horn for a Prowler with armor piercing shells.

And for the meantime at least, games are fun again.

I am sad to see so many who have given up on GW2 for the nonce to go to other, braver and more damage-y lands where at the very least you can kill something without dying fifteen times in three minutes.

WhiteBear.6140:

I find warrior with longbow much more ranger-ish than ranger it self
I saw some of my friends warrior do 7k-8k aoe damage with longbow and having kicka## buff

Except for no pet, you are so right – I was doing more damage with my bow than I could on my ranger by far.

Seriously the maturity level of those who are ganging up on others who don’t have a support system (in game) is getting out of hand…

I’ve been kicked for not doing what someone told me to do and I’ve been kicked for being worse than the kitten of the group (80 Ranger).

3 votes should be mandatory or the person stays.

What is this?

Someone on the dev team please, for the love of mmo logic, explain this to us:

Why are zergs of insane numbers being seen like this? Why is this being allowed?

A zerg isn’t skill… it’s murder, slaughter, not pvp/skill.

When all you are doing is dying, rezing back at the only point that can be rez’ed to and then dying again, can you see where this would not be fun?