Arg, you are the most biased and unempirical person in this thread, you are trying foolishly hard to disprove this with zero facts of your own to back any of it up.
So unless you want to make a perfect poll of your own that would disprove the findings in this one just take your passive aggressive rage back to the thief forum where everyone will give you a pat on the back and tell you its ok.
I have literally no idea why you are still here unless you are so terrified that this could suggest something against your views. The evidence isn’t perfect, no evidence is, but what is your evidence? Personal vendetta based around 0 supporting numbers. You are the last person who can talk about empiricism here.
I base my evidence off of theoretical knowledge about the game, the basis of which I’ve justified many, many times.
It’s biased
I’m waiting to see any from your side, coffee pot is on
All I can see atm is two frequenters of the thief forum trying desperately to rip up any shreds of evidence that might highlight a cheap OP mechanic that they are relying on
As I have said many times already, create a counter poll that is as value free as you desire, in fact you can leave out Lyssa as an option altogether and just wait for people to post asking where Lyssa is.
Because it’s not evidence.
You’ve clearly shown in this statement that you are biased against Lyssa Runes, and while that may not have been a problem in and of itself, the fact that you (sub?)consciously placed Lyssa at the top of your poll shows that you have allowed your biases to greatly influence the results of your poll. I’m not creating a poll simply because neither I nor Evil wants to create one; that’s completely irrelevant as to whether or not your poll is accurate.
I don’t have any doubt that many people think that Lyssa is OP (even though its only good abilities are its 4 and 6, and the elite that thieves have to use in order to make Lyssa worthwhile gives a relatively short stun for being an elite and is easily evaded), but your poll seems to only have the goal of showing that Lyssa is in fact OP in mind, and you’ve altered your poll so as to create a voter bias against it.
Your post is a pathetic excuse for what you seem to call “evidence”, and has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on reality.
Actually I have never once said that the poll is flawless, quite the opposite, I don’t believe in value freedom, that’s all you.
But if you think you are fooling anyone by saying that Lyssa is flying to the top by a landslide in an optional poll by virtue of order bias, you are insulting the both of us.
That poll might be inaccurate to a degree. Without any evidence of your own, your claims are wildly more inaccurate, you just don’t like it, so kindly put them to rest where they belong.
I’m waiting to see any from your side, coffee pot is on
All I can see atm is two frequenters of the thief forum trying desperately to rip up any shreds of evidence that might highlight a cheap OP mechanic that they are relying on
As I have said many times already, create a counter poll that is as value free as you desire, in fact you can leave out Lyssa as an option altogether and just wait for people to post asking where Lyssa is.
Opinion noted, awaiting counter statistics
I agree the way the PvP reward system works is completely dependent on RNG and there should be a clearer system of rewarding veterans. However, Zenith has a point. Veteran players probably have enough glory/gold to craft one if they wanted to.
I spent 300k glory trying to create a frozen scepter/staff to use on my necro.
Needless to say lots of gold, glory and tier 2 armour sets [but very few phoenix tokens] later I managed the staff, still trying for scepter.
)This is the problem with forum discussions with most players – you’re not interested in any argument or reasoning that doesn’t lead to your conclusion.
Oh, the irony.
Since you don’t seem interested in data which doesn’t lead to your conclusion then I don’t know what else to say to you, other than to again, stop derailing this thread with some rant and step away from the keyboard
And if you want to run acceptable p values to correlate the response bias you are more than welcome, I’ll hand over the SD/response values as soon as the poll closes. However given current trends, I doubt it’ll be necessary.
Your data is pointless if it’s faultily collected. Statistics 101, kids.
1) there is no such thing as value freedom, by your logic all data is pointless, correctly all data is flawed it merely has value attached to it
2) anyone who believes that the landslide lead by Lyssa is due to order bias should really skip the college level classes
If you believe that order bias is at hand, then create another survey. That free website does not provide randomized answers as an option.
Cute, putting Lyssa at the very top and Ogre/Scholar at the very bottom. At least you’re aware of how biases work. Why not alphabetically?
It was a great choice to put Lyssa at the top. That’s the one everyone will be looking for after entering the poll, after all.
Anyone is free to provide data where Lyssa is at the bottom of the option list
Will definitely do some followup once one round has been collected, AFAIK that free site doesn’t support graded answers, just single votes or multiple answers
)This is the problem with forum discussions with most players – you’re not interested in any argument or reasoning that doesn’t lead to your conclusion.
Oh, the irony.
Since you don’t seem interested in data which doesn’t lead to your conclusion then I don’t know what else to say to you, other than to again, stop derailing this thread with some rant and step away from the keyboard
And if you want to run acceptable p values to correlate the response bias you are more than welcome, I’ll hand over the SD/response values as soon as the poll closes. However given current trends, I doubt it’ll be necessary.
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Move on please, you have made your opinion known and its derailing yet another thread
You are welcome to make a poll in any format you wish, I’d vote the same regardless
Because I made the poll at first from memory, then from the listings on Dulfy, that’s why you might consider that famour runesets are at the top, then the others are listed in condition dur/condition dmg/healing/precision/power order – and then alphabetically. Formatting complaints can be sent to HR, if you are too impatient to scroll then use ctrl + F
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Here you go http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=52cadab6e4b08a14ac5cf3e1
In case you didn’t want to vote I gave yours to Rata Sum runes, they’re everywhere with their unseen bonuses, it’s really disgusting
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http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=52cadab6e4b08a14ac5cf3e1
Hot topic regarding balance and build diversity in pvp recently.
Which runeset do you feel above all others is the most powerful, and what brings you to vote this way?
Do you feel any are too powerful/too widely useful? How powerful do you believe a 6 piece bonus should be? Are there any sets you believe to be so powerful that they bring a certain spec/profession from non-viable without it to viable with it? Have your say!
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Why oh why would they do this to an already destroyed spec?
I’d think if they nerfed anything It’d be dhuumfire builds in pvp
I’m not going to get into a quote match with someone like you picking examples like they exist in a bubble.
You are right on opinion though, so in fact lets ignore both of our arguments which are based on opinion and look at facts. The fact of the matter is that every single class that can abuse Lyssa, does so, in huge numbers. Numbers support that, If you disagree then call for a poll of who uses what runeset in tpvp and disprove this with facts that show any other rune is even competing with Lyssa on specs with short cooldown elites. Show me that any other runeset is coming even close to being as widely used as Lyssa by any specs, nevermind the typical ones which are almsot built around it. Otherwise your opinion has been noted and filed with the other opinions of the same merit.
And if what you are suggesting is that I should be saving a dodge a weakness, throwaway hit, a blind and a reapplication of conditions for a runeset which requires 1 button to activate and the comparable options to this runeset are things like 5% damage while under the effects of might. Then I think your opinion is showing its ‘merit’ already.
That is too much for a runeset. Too. Much.
It really isn’t – you just don’t value the other runesets as highly because you can’t “see” their effects as easily.
Even thieves and warriors who gain the most benefit from Lyssa runes wouldn’t argue this, people in this very thread are admitting that their class is hinged on this 6piece bonus. This is the best runeset without competition for any class, any role with an elite less than 90 seconds. What you can’t ‘see’ is that burst combos are made so much more forgiving with this runeset, precious time spent removing aegis with a throwaway attack is valuable time that the point assaulter is ripping into you.
No offence but if you had actually played againt lyssa runes or even read this thread thoroughly you would see that the best boon stripping in the game does not counter this. Even in your ‘argument’ you are pointing out that other classes are working 10x harder trying to counter this set as best they can whilst thieves and warriors are gaining another get out of jail free card form their elite.
The only counter to this that has existed was corrupt boon which was nerfed to 5 boons max, that is typically why people suggest that Lyssa be changed to 5 random boons and exempt from stability.
I’d say to you, go play power necro where your best defences are [lol] soft cc with enormous cast times and then tell me that Lyssa runes are balanced. Go.
For the record; ‘outskilled’ and ‘Lyssa’ don’t belong in the same sentence.
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Pvp shouldn’t be based on any rewards, God almighty, playing a game should be it’s own reward.
I already have a job where they need to reward me with money to encourage me to go, I don’t want/need that here.
Why do you cry about it ?
Because you play a profession with a long cd on elite ?
Perhaps you should play a thief and run it with another runeset – and then come back and tell us how you performed ?
Because one runeset is more powerful than some classes utilities and is adding to the counterless cheese specs dominating pvp, not a good direction to be heading in and needs to go the way of the dodo. God forbid you might have to actually think about how/when to use your elite rather than just blow it asap letting you burst down a target, immune to CC, immune to the most effective boon-strip in the game, immune to the next outgoing attack and giving yourself a full condition cleanse at the same time
Tell me, what is the counter to a burst thief/warrior running lyssa? Corrupt boon leaves up stability, the main offender, blinds get blocked by aegis. Even if you outskill them by dodging BV/Earth shaker they still have 1 failsafe block up and following that can’t be CC’d and can’t be boon stripped fully.
That is too much for a runeset. Too. Much.
Just ride the wave of cheese while it lasts.
Welcome to the plights of the necro forums. Not that Nemesis isn’t good, I like him, but he made one decent build video [note, it wasn’t a hard build to make, the traits were the only traits available which synergized at all pre dhuumfire] and now he is basically seen as the voice of the necro forum.
And yes, almost every video is that long.
That’s a bit of an awkward combo to build around tbh. Zerging you still struggle to tag and provide any good aoe or ranged damage. Skirmishing you still struggle to stay on target with just sword, hammer has terrible uptime on your target.
Off the top of my head I can’t think of any effective builds I’ve seen that would really suit both of those weapons
PU gets more damage from bleeding and torment. AFAIK even a shatter Mesmer would put out more confusion damage because the lazor beam of death from scepter is so obvious to dodge and high priority to cleanse, the clone death trait is what carries the damage
Some nice ideas, some OP ones. The sword seems to be competing directly with dagger though, we already have one siphoning mainhand melee weapon and it sucks.
IMO one mainhand melee weapon for minion specs + 1 ranged main/2h for power and possibly siphon builds would be cool. I would love to see a bow used for power siphon builds
reading some of these posts gave me cancer. i really think anet is better off attending to players who have actually proven themselves through tournaments and ‘well known’ players rather than random jibjabs on the forum.
everyone who played enough games of solo arena or team arena (not me) should have the right to voice out their opinions in this topic.
elitism in the game and in these sPvP forums is one of the factors killing off the sPvP population. them all elitism senior players are scaring away the new comers.
Compared to LoL [a hugely successful pvp scene] these forums are a community run by an army of Mother Theresa’s. Elitism has nothing to do with dwindling numbers, people aren’t playing because they aren’t having fun
I’d kinda disagree on how ‘fair’ it is, I feel like you’d have to play a lot of games before the fairness averages out. I feel most games are won from 4v5 dupes or luck of the draw, it’s very rare that I find games that are lost by just a few points [a fair matchup], most feel as though one team landslides the other by either having greater numbers or people who are clearly leagues above the other team.
That’s just totally random which side of that divide you get put on, some days it swings in your favor, others not.
Deimos needs to be on this list
Condi warriors should get a nerf, way to easy to kill people with it.
Definitely because it is hard to remove all the torment because the stacks get applied 1 by 1.
That’s it, I give up —- now it’s the “sword” warriors that are OP …. along with the Axe and GS warriors in PvE, and the Hammer ones in WvW and the Longbow ones … and the ones that pick their nose, and the ones with orange gear, (yes, the orange Warriors are especially OP too).
Christ in heaven, what a load of …………..
It’s nothing to do with the sword. It’s the fact that anything with Healing signet/cleansing ire can ignore playing well or gear defensively, stack zerker gear and faceroll through pvp. So yes, that amount of torment/bleed is far too much on top of how strong and forgiving signet/ire makes playing a warrior.
Nobody would be complaining about sword, or hammer, or longbow if they weren’t being carried by healing signet & cleansing ire. They need to be toned down before anything can be changed about weapons.
Axe is only lower damage on paper, the amount of time you spend chasing after your target and extra time spent dodging or being forced into using dagger 2 lowers the damage output considerably. Dagger only really shines if you plan to be using suffering and even then the immobilize is very easy to dodge.
600 range and cripple/chill makes axe way more forgiving. Using dagger = 1 poorly timed dodge and you could be finished. Plus; the axe training talent adds damage to life blast, a large chunk of your damage as power spec
Well i dont have problems with that, if i cannot melee i go in ds an start lifeblasting which is higher damage then axe…
If you aren’t going into melee and relying on lifeblast, then why would you not choose axe over dagger for the extra damage and range/kiting?
Honestly who care about that useless skill anyway.. Or i ask..who uses it in the first place? lol
Just delete it, and nothing will have to be changed/fixed
what if it had a duration of 30 seconds, and a recharge time of 60 seconds, and it is turned into a signet? and can be used underwater.
Signet of Rampage (48 seconds recharge time with signet mastery, that’s 18 seconds down time)
active:
Take the form of a massive juggernaut.
Stability: 30 s
Swiftness: 30 s
Duration: 30 spassive:
gain 3 seconds of Stability every 10 seconds intervaltoo big of a boost? O_O
Honestly, who supplies your medication?
Why is this thread a thing?
Honestly this was a stupid move posting this in the warrior sub-forum, go take these ramblings to the spvp forums and see where you get. This is nothing more than an attempt at ego-stroking and kittening and needs closing.
I’m sure Deimos will be along shortly with his words of ‘wisdom’, hurray
I get your angle, but I’d have to consider how much the 3s stability and 1 extra uncontrolled fear from death magic trait makes up for losing out on terror damage and 30% condition duration from spite line.
Its definitely new but what do you feel you are gaining that you couldn’t do better using the already powerful meta-terror build?
On topic; yes, power builds desperately need a ranged weapon option, I’d hope for a dark bow of some sort, that would be too awesome for words
Axe is only lower damage on paper, the amount of time you spend chasing after your target and extra time spent dodging or being forced into using dagger 2 lowers the damage output considerably. Dagger only really shines if you plan to be using suffering and even then the immobilize is very easy to dodge.
600 range and cripple/chill makes axe way more forgiving. Using dagger = 1 poorly timed dodge and you could be finished. Plus; the axe training talent adds damage to life blast, a large chunk of your damage as power spec
People are only going to be distracted by shiny new pvp gear for so long. It’s lazy parenting, in stead of fixing the underlying issues they just gave us a new toy to shut people up.
It’ll only be so long until people have the rank 60+ sets that they never thought they’d be able to get and then go back to realizing that pvp isn’t fun when you are getting roflstomped by hard counters, warriors are decimating everything, or even worse you might be playing as one of the countless forgotten specs that go ignored because your profession is saturated by one powerful setup.
It’s a temporary fix at best, not even a good one at that
You can’t abuse lyssa runes as much using Rampage, that’s why people don’t use it
Congrats. Really enjoyed the vid, a non-cheese spec and the gameplay wasn’t ’I chased someone running at 50% hp for the kill’ or ‘team zerged someone 20 ranks lower than myself’
8.5/10.
Although it did make me rage watching how bad sword 3 still is on guardians. Please, for the love of God, fix it so that it actually hits
I can tell you that the only time I have struggled when facing an engi was my friend who was baiting putrid mark casts against me. You have to wait until after the necro has blown putrid mark [ideally dodge it] before going mad with the bomb kit. Spamming bombs = insta-gib on most classes, but for necro just means bounce everything back onto engi and gg.
So yeah, bait putrid mark and absolutely must dodge dagger 4 transfer. The necro will have more deadly condition burst, but I find engi to be better in more drawn out fights, especially using pistol with confusion etc. Just slow it down and focus on avoiding condition transfers, don’t try to condi-bomb the necro, gl
Now that is new, will definitely try it out, thanks
Too broad a question, best at what aspect? Dueling, capping, bunkering, class stacking, what?
For all-rounder I’d say warrior, no matter what the situation calls for, chances are they will be able to handle it/get carried by healing signet. But that’s not to say I’d want a 5-man warrior team [although it’d probably still work]
no, warriors with healing signet are not powered.
if this is true, then we will see warriors everywhere.
did we see that?
no.what we are seeing in forums are cries of non warriors who wishes for warriors to become free kills again.
regen is reduced to 200hp/s
this is another fine example of a non warrior asking for warriors to become free kills again.
please go and play warrior with healing signet and see if warriors are really that overpowered.
you have the worst logic i have ever seen in this subforum.
all of your arguments are stuff like “warrior is not overpowered because if it was we would see only warriors. do we see only warriors? no? then warriors are not overpowered!” or “warrior is not overpowered because sometimes i still die on my warrior to condi damage or direct damage!” (i swear you have said something almost exactly like this awhile ago). These are just… dumb statements.
Warrior isn’t OP because Deimos plays a warrior. A warrior in hotjoins
iow. having well with a dark combo blast sound great but are cleansed immediatly and thus useless. same goes with light fields.. retal sounds great.. but in reality does little.
Our problem is the fact we offer SO little in Combos, we have 2 blast finishers and that is it. Projectile at 20% chance on staff as well which is VERY poor.
We have so little access to some and even no access to some Boons as well which is rather annoying.
I do agree that for some builds it seems like it is required trait now, Yet i wonder what we would be like had they not introduced this trait which wasnt even wanted to begin with – would we still have been nerfed so much? I dont think we would have.
Anet just cant seem to be able to admit when they are wrong and they WERE wrong with this trait.
Defo agree. Combo fields could do with a reworl within spvp, 20% activation on staff might as well not be there. Opponents never stand in fields, the attack speed is too slow to reliably use and even IF you got lucky and managed a combo hit the effects are very weak on the projectile finishers. Thieves have easy access on weapons to fields and finishers which are useful to their class and are basically spammable at any given time.
I have experimented a little with the 100% crit specs, ultimately they achieved the same results just made the spec a little glassier/burstier. Ideally I’m looking for some kind of angle that would take the spec to the next level, not just achieving acceptable damage.
I think the build is really suffering form identity confusion, ironic as this was my goal but it just feels that my guard/Mesmer can do this better whilst still maintaining good damage and having a strong role within pvp [setting up shatter burst/melee pressure]. I thought maybe someone might have had a brainwave/special mix of traits that I hadn’t tried tht would turn the build into something slightly more useful.
Yes warriors are a God of all trades class atm. My advice is to get cosy, the next balance patch isn’t due til 2015
Have tried that variant and for me at least it was less successful, the extra ds didn’t cover the lack of survival using zerk amulet.
I am having success with my build but I’d say less success/input ratio than I do using a terror build. For group play I always switch back to terror, it’s just far more effective and my DS build doesn’t bring anything unique to the table that someone else couldn’t do better and whilst doing more reliable damage
There is a soloQ hero necro at rank 63 in the Eu servers, consistently top scorer on skyhammer, but omg watching him play on other maps makes me cringe.
It’s infuriating that he is getting so many points on skyhammer, sometimes at my expense, but at the same time I do look on at them and think that it’s probably for the best that they aren’t on my team. They really, really need to take Skyhammer out of solo que
That would be awesome for power builds, totally awesome
Well definitely much less in tpvp, yes. Now that there is actually a reason to want a troll knockback build because of skyhammer, they are much more common, at least that what I’ve seen in my experience.
Here’s the build that I’ve been running in solo que. I had originally run with A/F + D/WH however switched D/WH for staff to avoid condition bombs.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fQAQNAndWjMaV7hbab07JEpC8C0j3rWcGqHrD88hA-ToAA1E1oqxVjpGZN2aGfc+YCB
I’ve had decent success playing a ‘mixed’ role of roaming/defending as Ive found this to be the best route to go with given the current state of solo que – you need to be a little bit good at everything as you can’t rely on others knowing how to fulfill a specific role that would compliment yours, let alone what role you have built for.
Anyway, it’s a jack of all trades build, decent damage, some cc, decent survivability and alright offensive support in stacking vuln/conditions with staff, also lots of chill uptime but it wont rival full on chill builds, also good retal uptime, but not as high as retal builds.
The main things I’m looking for are; could the spec be changed slightly to add anything unique/new? I’m finding that once opponents figure out that you aren’t condition spec and that DS = dodge now, you basically have nothing to keep them on their toes. The spec is very basic and straightforward, basically identical to a similar pve build, and I’m noticing that savvy opponents are figuring it all out too quickly. What could be added to shake up the game a bit?
Thx, I might not have explained this well so if its unclear what I’m going for do ask.