No single person should be able to take out two equally skilled players regardless of armor, traits etc. If that could happen, it should be nerfed no matter the class.
The game is not designed around 1v1 neither around 1v2.
If 2 players aren’t traited nor equipped for killing a D/P thief,
the thief can even be the worst thief in town and would still be able to
take them out no matter how skilled they are at their build.Like staff Elementalist and one of the zerg Warriors vs. Thief.
Kite the warrior and kill the squishy staff elementalist, he mists away, you reach him before the warrior do and you stomp him. You then kill the warrior by kiting and backstabbing.Or against turret engineer and D/D elementalist, you dodge stuns/immobilizes 2-3
times in a row, then they successfully start to lock you down and kill you in 3 seconds.
And they don’t even need to be skilled to do this.
If a single thief can kill two equally skilled eles and warriors with on par gear (appropriate to their level and skill level), then there’s something seriously wrong with that balance. Regardless of what people say, 1v1s matter more than any other form of balance. Which is why mesmers and thieves are getting nerfed. For example, the phantasm mesmer build is only good in 1v1s and a total joke in big fights. Why was it nerfed? Because 1v1 balance matters. Anet knows this.
In many ways, 1v1 is the only balancing that matters. People dislike losing 1v1s even more than they mind losing the match. I know I do.
No single person should be able to take out two equally skilled players regardless of armor, traits etc. If that could happen, it should be nerfed no matter the class.
Hi! Agreed. Had a similar topic here about not having enough powder but too many other stuff:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/Too-many-boosters-not-enough-powder/first#post2335612
What do you do with so much powder? I’m r41, have all the gear I want and still have too much kitten powder. How come?
Is there a dominant strategy for defeating each of the NPCs? In game theory a dominant strategy is one that is always correct regardless of what the opponent does – like say “Use bluff 60% of the time” – or something like that?
Or is it like Rock/Paper/Scissors?
Any tips for strategies against each NPC?
I wish the JP didn’t give out BoH. Make all the PVE players earn the Gift of Battle through….ya know..battle.
Here’s the problem with getting badges through battle. Zerging takes no skill and is mind numbingly boring. If you want to be skilful, you need to solo roam and kill people.
It takes me 5-10 minutes of roaming to find someone to kill. Then when I kill them I get a badge only around once every 3-4 kills. So my badge acquisition rate is around 2-4 badges per hour. I would need at least 100 hours to get all my badges and getting nothing else in the process.
That’s pretty pathetic. And once again – I’ve tried zerging in organized groups via teamspeak. It’s just lame. “Stack on me. 3…2…1…go”. Now taking this tower. Now that. Just throw around AoEs and hope you hit something.
Yuk.
This is precisely why I don’t WvW. No skill. Just zerging if you want good rewards. You don’t even know who you hit. If you solo roam, you don’t get badges.
I spent MONTHS collecting 500 badges from jumping puzzles to craft my gift of battle. Now all of a sudden I have 300 of them in two days from achievement chests.
Way to make me waste my time Anet. Screw you.
All talent is not measured in 1v1 prowess.
It’s the only measure of talent. In all other fights you’re hiding behind your teammates who make up for your weaknesses and you for theirs. In a very real way, nothing matters other than 1v1s.
I’ve had conflicting reports from zerker warriors about empower. Some say that they don’t need the additional might since they’re always close to 25 stacks anyway. Others are very happy to receive the additional boost.
So who’s right?
Thank god I finally have my gift of battle. Now I never need to enter WvW again and can stick to sPvP and PvE. Seriously – WvW is all about zerging that takes no skill and you’re not even given the illusion of making a difference. And if you solo roam, scout etc you get no rewards worth your time.
Leave WvW to those who seem to think that “fun” is a good enough reason. The rest of us won’t waste our time there with such poor incentives and no scope for skilled play.
My calculations show me that switching to staff to boost might drops my DPS by around 20% compared to greatsword.
Question is – does the boost to my teammates make up for that 20%? If yes, then it’s worth it because empower also boosts my own and health and that of others.
I play hotjoin exclusively and love it. Why? Because I hate playing in a team and just want to run around killing people and farming glory. That’s the way I want to play the game and no one has the right to tell me otherwise. Those who like teams will their way to tPvP. Leave the rest of us alone.
Personally I think tPvP needs to become more like hotjoin. Not the other way around.
As a guardian, I stay with my GS 80% of the time. I have altruistic healing, so my staff 4 skill “empowered” acts as a second heal with a full party of 5. So my question is this. If I complete a whirling wrath on GS, switch immediately to staff, spam orb of light, symbol of swiftness, use empowered and switch back to GS immediately on weapon swap recharge, does the overall DPS of the group take a hit?
Since empower gives a handy 12 stacks of might, it clearly raises the overall DPS of the group. The question is, does my somewhat lower damage in the meantime cancel that out? I can spam orb of light around 3 times during the recharge and of course symbol is hitting per second as well – not to mention the low autoattack. So combining all that and assuming full 5 man party, is it worth hitting the staff regularly for a DPS boost?
If not, I’ll just use it to get my heals when I’m in trouble and boost the other’s damage and heal them as a side effect.
So – regular use as a DPS boost, or occasional use to burst heal myself?
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No, not everything is good in dungeons.
Define “’good”. Then we’ll see if your definitions of “good” match the rest of ours. If someone is polite, listens to instructions and are trying their best, they’re good. Period. I don’t care if the run takes 2 hrs. It was fun and people did their best.
See, that right there is the arrogance I don’t want in my group. Here’s how you could have rephrased it to remain:
“In my experience I haven’t found the staff to be all that useful, so I personally don’t run it”.
See the difference? Same stuff, but you show respect for other people’s opinions. Bottom line: As long as you think you’re right and everyone else is wrong….I have a problem with you in my group.So you want me to phrase myself nicely to some complete stranger on the internet.
Said stranger also refuses to acknowledge their weapon choice is wrong and that they’re not playing their class well.
Okay, and I should also be nice to that guard in the fractal I did who used scepter ON A JADE COLOSSUS THAT REFLECTS PROJECTILES.
This colesy is a trully troll, or a hater of guardians, pathetic.
Not a troll, I just seek to right wrongs, such as people trying to claim certain weapons or strategies are good for dungeons when they aren’t.
I am also not a hater of guardians since I have hundreds of hours on my guard, full t3 cultural on them, three ascended trinkets and almost every weapon in their inventory just in case a use for them might come up (minus torch and mace which are basically complete junk).
Yes. You have to be nice to everyone no matter what if you want to be in my group. First person to be arrogant or use abuses no matter what gets the kick.
See here’s the problem. You’re entitled to your own opinions. That’s cool. No one is forcing you to run what you don’t want. The problem comes when you presume that your knowledge is absolute.
That’s arrogance. And it’s ok to show it in the forums cause it doesn’t affect me. If I see a hint of that arrogance in my party, it’s kick time.And you’re spreading misinformation by trying to say that a staff guardian contributes a lot to a dungeon group when GS, hammer and sword+focus do so much more.
Many top players disagree with you. And that’s cool. Disagreement is cool. Arrogance is not.
And who are these top players then.
Sigh. So now we have come to this. Never mind. It doesn’t matter. By all means expound your knowledge on guardians. That’s a good thing. We can all use informed commentary.
Like I said, arrogance doesn’t matter on forums. Be as arrogant as you want, I don’t care. Do it in a party and you’re out of the team if I have anything to say about it.
Why is that so problematic to understand. You have a view. Good. I (and others) have another view. Good. What is this burning need you have to convert others to your side? Just relax and play the game you want to play. Who is stopping or threatening you?
Because I can not comprehend why people would purposely choose to play bad when there’s a better way to play and it’s not even that hard to do. The way I see it:
1. Why use bad weapons when you can use good ones
2. Why use bad gear when you can use good gearAesthetics isn’t even an argument since you can transmute.
You know, myself being new to MMOs my friend always gave me the impression players get a giant kitten over big damage numbers (even when I just played single player RPGs I loved seeing the big numbers), but it’s as if people like you actively try to avoid contributing to your dungeon parties by using suboptimal builds and gear.
See, that right there is the arrogance I don’t want in my group. Here’s how you could have rephrased it to remain:
“In my experience I haven’t found the staff to be all that useful, so I personally don’t run it”.
See the difference? Same stuff, but you show respect for other people’s opinions. Bottom line: As long as you think you’re right and everyone else is wrong….I have a problem with you in my group.
See here’s the problem. You’re entitled to your own opinions. That’s cool. No one is forcing you to run what you don’t want. The problem comes when you presume that your knowledge is absolute.
That’s arrogance. And it’s ok to show it in the forums cause it doesn’t affect me. If I see a hint of that arrogance in my party, it’s kick time.And you’re spreading misinformation by trying to say that a staff guardian contributes a lot to a dungeon group when GS, hammer and sword+focus do so much more.
Many top players disagree with you. And that’s cool. Disagreement is cool. Arrogance is not.
And who are these top players then.
Sigh. So now we have come to this. Never mind. It doesn’t matter. By all means expound your knowledge on guardians. That’s a good thing. We can all use informed commentary.
Like I said, arrogance doesn’t matter on forums. Be as arrogant as you want, I don’t care. Do it in a party and you’re out of the team if I have anything to say about it.
Why is that so problematic to understand. You have a view. Good. I (and others) have another view. Good. What is this burning need you have to convert others to your side? Just relax and play the game you want to play. Who is stopping or threatening you?
See here’s the problem. You’re entitled to your own opinions. That’s cool. No one is forcing you to run what you don’t want. The problem comes when you presume that your knowledge is absolute.
That’s arrogance. And it’s ok to show it in the forums cause it doesn’t affect me. If I see a hint of that arrogance in my party, it’s kick time.And you’re spreading misinformation by trying to say that a staff guardian contributes a lot to a dungeon group when GS, hammer and sword+focus do so much more.
Many top players disagree with you. And that’s cool. Disagreement is cool. Arrogance is not.
I’d just like to point out that staff guardians can bring incredible value to the group. Line of warding is excellent for the running that most groups do in dungeons plus a speed buff. Empower is great for raising the overall DPS of your group and with Altruistic healing it acts as a second huge heal by itself with each tick. You can often ignore your own heal skill!
Do you know what else is great for running? Swiftness, and evades. Oh, but staff can do swiftness! Well I’m pretty sure your warriors and mesmers can give group swiftness too so there’s no point. Line of warding, why would you bother with that?
Do you know also how to raise group DPS? Warriors going FGJ and the mesmer doubling the might with their signet. Unless you’re immediately switching the staff out (and I mean actually swapping by inventory, not just to your secondary weapon set), empower is trash and the staff is an awful weapon swap since it does terrible DPS.
There are also any number of situations where you just have to range stuff down and for that, scepters are invaluable not to mention in the immobilize. Dredge fractal boss anyone?
Okay, so in that case you have the scepter in your inventory. Greatsword and sword+focus are your best DPS weapons so you just bring in the scepter quickly for when range is 100% necessary, every other case you just melee.
Anyone who says that staff or scepter on a guardian is bad has a lot to learn. And if they say they don’t have anything more to learn….well then you can figure out whether you want to have that kind of guy in your group at all.
I’ve played my guardian for hundreds of hours. You basically do not need staff ever, and scepter is just for fringe cases where melee is actually punished by pretty much instant death.
And you’re right, having a guard in your group who knows their class well is totally not the kinda guy you want in a group.
See here’s the problem. You’re entitled to your own opinions. That’s cool. No one is forcing you to run what you don’t want. The problem comes when you presume that your knowledge is absolute.
That’s arrogance. And it’s ok to show it in the forums cause it doesn’t affect me. If I see a hint of that arrogance in my party, it’s kick time.
I’d just like to point out that staff guardians can bring incredible value to the group. Line of warding is excellent for the running that most groups do in dungeons plus a speed buff. Empower is great for raising the overall DPS of your group and with Altruistic healing it acts as a second huge heal by itself with each tick. You can often ignore your own heal skill!
There are also any number of situations where you just have to range stuff down and for that, scepters are invaluable not to mention in the immobilize. Dredge fractal boss anyone?
Anyone who says that staff or scepter on a guardian is bad has a lot to learn. And if they say they don’t have anything more to learn….well then you can figure out whether you want to have that kind of guy in your group at all.
Bottom line: Whether you’re new or elite. Whether you’re “pro” or just bad. Arrogance is not cool. I won’t kick you if you’re a bad player. I’ll kick you if you insult, abuse, or are arrogant. No matter what happens, no matter what anyone does, nothing justifies abusive language.
If you’re a bad player, that’s fine. But I have a problem if you don’t follow instructions. Usually I’m willing to give people the benefit of the doubt and assume that they forgot to see the chat screen. So I politely remind them to keep an eye out for it. It’ll take an incredible amount of bad play for me to kick you. But even the slightest abuse or arrogance is enough.
Priorities.
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Your ignorance is blocking your mind from understanding the point I was making.
I also like your last statement, in which you state both ranged weapons are relevant in dungeons and not relevant at the same time.No, I said in almost all cases they’re not. Just how on my guard I have used my shield once in dungeons, but that doesn’t mean it’s “relevant in dungeons” just how ranged weapons are barely used, and are therefore not relevant in dungeons on the whole.
Good to know you’re probably some “tank” guardian running trash clerics gear and scepter spamming though, means people on here know to avoid you if they ever want a serious run.
And you’re exactly the kind of guy who needs to be kicked from parties, just going by your attitude and the way you talk. No one needs that kitten.
It’s very easy to get quick access to merchants, the TP and crafting stations without spending money or losing your place in the map. Just visit your WvW base and do your work. When you’re ready to return, click “Enter the mists” and “Leave the mists” after you’re ported to the mists.
Voila! You’re back where you were in the open world!
Actually to make it perfectly fair, whenever you kill a person you should get all their gear. I mean…you killed them right?
Roamers do tons of things for their servers. They’re scouts who can report on enemy movement, disrupt reinforcements trying to get back to their zerg, contest towers, flip sentries (scores points and makes the enemy wonder if your zerg is there), flip camps and kill yaks to supply starve the opponent, etc.
None of which is as profitable as zerging and requires more skill to boot.
Roaming and killing people is probably the only reason to play WvW. What do you gain from towers and keeps? Rewards? No. Will you die if the enemy holds all towers and keeps? No. Does it take skill to be in a zerg knocking down doors? No.
Roaming takes skill. Unfortunately it’s not nearly enough action for me, so I prefer PvP. Give me something that takes skill in WvW and I’ll be there in an instant.
According to this wiki page, the event Escort the southern invasion Pact squad to the Pact rally point at Triumph Plaza is supposed to start after Defend the Lone Post from the Risen hordes. I need those obsidian shards and I’m willing to start the Balthazar even chain from as far back as it goes.
But after the event, the next one just doesn’t occur. Is this supposed to happen? Is it random? Do I just wait? Is it bugged?
Very frustrating for those trying to get an uncontested temple.
Without foes showing their skill bars, you’ll be relegated to only interrupt two or three skills that have a very obvious tell. IMHO running an interrupt mesmer is not good enough right now.
Hmm…not that much of a difference in PvP. Good!
Odd thing happened to me a few days back and again today. Downed an enemy, then couldn’t stomp him. Everything animates properly. The “Finish Them!” prompt appears, the stomp animation plays…but at the end, the player is still lying there in a downed state.
Both times I was able to finish the job using AoE and phantasm attacks. Has this happened to anyone? Is it a bug? This doesn’t always occur. Twice today I’ve killed people in WvW without a stomping problem…
Praise be to Arenanet for finally making this and BM Ranger 0 skill builds void.
1. Less people running such a silly build in tournament, literally screwing your teammates so you can win silly 1v1s.
2. Less people crying about mesmer being 0skillnoobclass, because they’re losing 1v1s with their bad 1v1 builds in a tournament setting.
3. More build options, thank you anet, I will totally have a ball with these new traits.
It had to be done and I’m glad that Anet went for such a bold solution(Mesmer here, I for one welcome our new SkillbasedPvP overlords.)
I’m glad to at least see people admitting the importance of 1v1s. From an emotional point of view, 1v1s are far more critical than team fights.
So now that anyone can create a custom arena, I’d like to see a room without the Capricorn map rotation. I’d be willing to pay a say 50c per match to fund this. If many people do this, it could finance the cost of the room in the first place.
What say?
Looks like the latest patch makes this build in need of changes. We can no longer get Illusionist’s celerity so easily now. Meaning something has to be traded off. Thoughts anyone?
Today I got onto teamspeak and spent around an hour with a commander and his squad. I got one badge. Not only that, it was incredibly boring with him saying “Stack on me…moving out 1,2,3”, then off to some tower to be killed by the opposing zerg. I can’t even pretend that my presence matters. I can safely say that were I not there, nothing would have changed, and no outcome would have been different.
So far, the quickest way for me to get badges has still been the jumping puzzle. This is the second time I’ve gotten onto teamspeak with a zerg and though I got more badges the first time, it was just as boring.
I don’t know the way around this. I mean I know it’s “World vs World”, so there’s gonna be big battles. But…dammit it’s boring as hell. And if you’re in a smaller zerg, you just get eaten up by bigger ones and don’t even have time to collect your loot bags.
I’m on EU server Seafarer’s Rest.
Maybe I can solo supply camps. I’ve done that too. But I hardly get any badge drops from veterans. And I can’t solo a tower or a keep. And there’s no guarantee that the lord will drop a badge either. It’s just too slow.
So is mindless zerging the only way people get their badges? With jumping puzzles I’ve accumulated around 450 badges for my gift of battle. I’d have liked to earn them some other way. I want to like WvW but no matter how many times I’ve tried, there’s just nothing for me to do.
So after I get my gift of battle (should be any day now), what reason do we have to come back?
The big decision when getting a high level rare is whether to sell it or salvage for ectos. This depends on the average return for each salvage attempt. Since a rare can sell for as low as 17s (as of now), you’re guaranteed to get at almost one ecto if you choose to sell and purchase them instead of salvaging.
On the “ecto wiki page”: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Glob_of_Ectoplasm , it says that you get approximately 0.9 ectos per salvage with a Master’s kit. But my calculations don’t back this up and I’d appreciate any input if I’ve missed something. Here’s what I come up with:
Chance of rare materials with master’s salvage kit is 0.25. Let’s assume that we have equal probability of getting 1, 2, or 3 ectos. So number of ectos expected per salvage = 0.083*1+0.083*2+0.083*3 = 0.49. But we also have an 80% chance of salvaging the rune which usually sells for around 4s on an average or around 1/5th an ectos value. So expected value of the rune is 0.8*0.2 = 0.16. Adding the two: 0.16+0.49 = 0.65. So for each rare we salvage we get back 0.65 of an ecto.
This is actually an optimistic estimate. I’ve salvaged rares and gotten orichalcum ores with no ectos, so it’s possible to get high end crafting materials and still not get ectos. So the chances drop even further.
What is the basis of the “0.9 ecto per salvage” statistic that’s quoted on the wiki? Any ideas?
Let’s take a look at the main reason why the stealth mechanic remain the most hated aspect that may be implemented in a videogame:
people are able to attack from stealth
Personally there is no logic behind this, why it should be allowed?!, I’ve opened this thread with the hope the community, a developer hopefully can give me an answer to my questions, I find it extremely hard to believe that a game advertised as the next e-sport MMO , we find something like stealth: attacking people while invisible.
In GW1, every decision was made based on the visual information you could get from the enemy , but here in GW2, once somebody turn invisible, you are unable to obtain these visual information, from a skill based game we pass to a guess based game and it’s here that the concept of e-sport fall flat on the ground.
Did he run away? is he healing himself back ? is he preparing to attack? is he on the left..the right..behind me?
This is what frustrate me the most, the opponent just obtained an advantage no thanks to his skill but thanks to the mechanic of its profession, he did not accomplish some complicated awe inspiring combo, he did not skillfully counter my moves…he simply pressed a single button when things started to go bad for himEven the fun factor get removed from the game, fighting a thief or mesmer is simply not fun, even if I win 10 times out of 10, I still hate the idea of fighting one of them, in every aspect of the game you’re forced in constantly watching your backs because maybe an invisible [censored] is lurking behind the corner.
I did not make this thread because I just lost to a thief or mesmer, I’m not even playing the game atm and the truth is that rarely I lose to a thief or mesmer, because against them I play at 200%, I simply refuse to lose against something as an invisible enemy, something that require no skills whatsoever to eve used.
In the end I believe that something like stealth should not be implemented in a MMO, it’s simply not fun to fight against an invisible enemy and the whole purpose of a game is to have fun
I’d just like to point out that we shouldn’t speak of thieves and mesmers in the same breath when it comes to stealth. The latter has one skill that stealths for three seconds and there’s no danger of an attack unlike with a thief. Then there’s mass invis on a 90 second CD.
Thieves on the other hand are what you really have to watch out for. Their attack from stealth is their bread and butter.
I think reading the animations is more realistic way to go about it. If it was real, no way your enemies would have a bar under their name proclaiming their skill usage and how much is done. That was a major aspect of interrupting skills in GW1. But without a dedicated healer class like monks, I think interrupting a heal would just be too easy specially since most skills take one second or more to cast.
When I played a mesmer in GW1, interrupting 1 second skills was my bread and butter. Eles? No problem! Necro? No hassles. In GW2, it would be disaster. Plus it’ll be even worse with thieves going into stealth and essentially killing all interrupting classes.
As a phantasm mesmer, it’s true that I view warriors as an easy kill. But…I’ve been surprised at least three times by three different warriors who have given me a terrible time. I looked at the rank of one of them after the match was over and he was r51. Go figure. Here’s what he did.
He killed my phantasms as soon as they spawned. Took a couple of seconds from his busy schedule to do this each time. They spawn right next to the caster, which leads to the second tactic.
Stay on top of him!. Whether you use cripple, immobilize, stuns, superior mobility, whatever, you simply…have to…stay with the mesmer. If you can’t do that, you lose. The GS has some excellent mobility skills that can get you on top of the mesmer even after he blinks away. If he stealths, spend the time killing his phantasms, and when he pops, jump right back on him. Remember, immobilize, stun, cripple…whatever it takes.
Having close to 100% swiftness uptime during combat is critical. A phantasm mesmer doesn’t usually have easy access to swiftness unless they’re using centaur runes. That will help you catch up with them quickly. Just pray they don’t have arcane thievery. When I know in advance that I’m going to face a very experienced warrior, I put thievery on my bar, but otherwise I don’t take it, preferring to take Signet of illusions instead.
When you stay that close to him all the time, you can also get his phantasms as soon as they appear. A pure phantasm mesmer without the phantasms is just…pathetic. There’s nothing more he can do other than hit you with blurred frenzy. Which as a warrior shouldn’t really hurt you that much.
One of the times I fought the r51 warrior I was able to down him after a long time and nearly dying several times myself. I was so full of admiration, I refused to stomp him. On other occasions I’ve complimented warriors for their excellent play after I was killed.
Make no mistake, these guys were obviously pros. They knew exactly what they had to do and they executed it flawlessly. It’s not easy, but it can be done.
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Pick one!
Personally I’d rather lose the match.
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Lol so if you read I got no problems dealing with thief or memser on ele.,ranger, guard, or even necro so save you l2p advise for yourself since you cant seem to deal with the “stealth” mechanic of thief; thus why you complain and troll so much. one of these days when you make a smart comment based on actually READING something I might listen , but till then have fun trolling; done wasting my time and energy trying to make someone who cant/wont even read understand.
Hunh. Talk about “not reading”. I can kill every thief I meet without breaking a sweat. It doesn’t mean that stealth isn’t a cheesy mechanic. It just means I’ve found a way to beat it.
NOPE you still didn’t get it, what a shock! Because seems a certain memer bhagwad.4281 is trying to call thieves cowards in a DUEL. YES MOA MOPRH IS used in DUELS so is your stealth, block, spammable clones, mass dmg, conditions galore, and immobilize only your not getting the fact im not trying to compare stealth only you would think that for obvious reason im comparing your lack of common knowledge. Mesmer is the most stacked 1v1 class in HIDING from combat by use of CLONES and what stealth you do have as target breakers not to mention your MOA MORPH which IS used in duels; so keep trolling elsewhere we are tired of hearing you complain while hiding behind your arsenal that is Mesmer! SO QUIT calling others cowards when you are in fact worse in DUELS.
Regardless of what you say, no one minds anything much except for stealth. It looks like you personally have difficulty with other skills, but that’s probably just a l2p issue.
^ NO again I wonder if you can read bhagwad.4281 I SAID STEALTH, BLOCK, INVUNERABLE, CLONES, MASS SINGLE/AOE DMG, SPAM CONDITIONS, IMMOBALIZE, AND THE CHEASIEST MOVE IN THE GAME MOA MORPH! You get all that this time or go I need to say it 5 more times you you to get it if your going to try to insult someone at least get your facts strait. You got way more cheese then thief and your proud of it; that is the funniest thing I heard all day. Mesmer complains about honorable duels; lets take away your stealth, clones, and phantasms and see where that leaves you, oh wait we don’t troll your forums.
You must be the only person to seriously complain about moa morph. By all means, junk it and give us something useful. If it was so OP why don’t you see every mesmer using it?
All the other abilities can be seen and anticipated. Stealth is the only ridiculous mechanism of the game which removes information from the battle. And don’t start comparing mesmer stealth and thief stealth.
People complain about the thief much more than they complain about mesmers. Can you tell me why? Introspect and you’ll find your answer.
I suggest you go back to your post title. “Why all the thief hate”. Now please tell me how come you’re so suddenly interested in mesmers.
Anyone else think its ironic that the Mesmer with stealth and lots of other things thief does not have is calling thief a coward…..bhagwad.4281 for the last time your in no position to call anyone cowards with what you run try being more cheat than STEALTH, CLONES, INVUNERABLE, BLOCK, IMOBALIZE, GREAT SINGLE AND MULTI TARGET DMG, TELEPORTS, AND VERY SPAMMABLE CONDITIONS ALL WITH LOCK BREAKERS. you are only proving your ignorance in thinking you can do all these things and still be “honorable” way to make us laugh.
Anyone who compares thief stealth with mesmer stealth…is just high.
You assume by thief hate I was asking why people don’t like thieves; don’t misunderstand, by thief hate I mean constant QQ for nerfs and the nerfs that follow. People don’t like any class killing them, so what they deal with it and move on, maybe it could have been worded better, but idc if people “like” the class. Most classes can kill you better players are great with any class. Same principle with using the term boon hate.
I don’t mind a guardian, warrior, necro, or ranger killing me. No one else minds either. How come they don’t complain about nerfing them hmm? That’s because those classes don’t play like cowards.
Play a thief, and you will be hated. What’s your problem with that?
WTB reading lessons for bhagwad.4281; apparently, he cant read I play ALL class unlike this subjective Mesmer calling a thief a coward; that’s a good one keep hiding behind your clones, stealth, invulnerable, and moa morph that will get you the respect you so crave. end sarcasm!
WTB lessons for OP to learn to construct a proper title.
The OP seems to have unrealistic expectations. He wants to play a thief and play like a coward, but also wants people to not hate him.
I mean – either keep your cake or eat it. If you’re gonna play like a troll, then own up to it and don’t expect others to like you. Don’t come crying to the forums railing against thief hate when thieves don’t play honorably.
Oh, they’re not built that way you say? Well then they’re also built to be hated! Get used to it.
@bhagwad.4281
So your answer is hate thief for being a thief what a great idea, if it wasn’t nerfed into 1 area and 2 builds you might have less QQ from people getting owned by roam thieves. Long story short you don’t want to be owned by a thief either PLAY GOOD or stick to your ZERG. If thieves could roll pve like any other class you wouldn’t find so many roaming wvw but alas that’s only thing you left them with; so its your fault deal with it. No matter how much you want thief to be a single target war it will always be a thief so better come up with we hate thief because it can do something we cant aka thief is thief.
Your mental gymnastics are amusing. In one breath, you admit the thief is a troll. On the other hand you wonder why everyone hates the thief. You expect what exactly? That people should not hate a troll? What world do you live in?
I play just fine thank you. I’m r42 and I smear thieves’ face all over the floor without a problem. But I never respect them the way I respect a guardian, warrior, necro etc. The thief is a troll and they deserve to be hated because that’s life.
What is the great mystery here?
@bhagwad.4281
Is not a moa morph Ber Mesmer just as annoying as a stealth thief…..mass opinion yes you got stealth, clones, evade, invulnerable, spam conditions, teleport, and oh yah Mass AOE DMG no room to criticize thief there!
“Just as annoying”? With a 180 second cooldown? No. Annoying, yes. Just as annoying? Not in the same league.
And your question had nothing to do with mesmers. You asked “Why the thief hate”. You got your answer. You answered it yourself in fact.
So you admit its just your own inability to deal with thieves why your asking for all the nerfs? this class annoys me and I don’t like them nerf it……seriously O_o. Also I said that’s the only VIABLE builds we got left you don’t like it but you asked for it by getting us nerfed into these last 2 options only got yourselves to blame. I don’t like saying it but learn to play stealth isn’t the eles invulnerability or the guards block.
Lol – your question is “why the thief hate”. And I told you. I can melt a thief’s face off with my phantasm mesmer. But that doesn’t mean I like thieves. The answer to “why the thief hate” is already in your question. They’re trolls and irritating.
Pot calling kettle black…
Honestly if it wasn’t for thieves I would run something else.
Am I the only that types /Bow when I faced an equal opponent that actually made me use all my skills to win?
I bow when it was a good fight and we both got ready for a 1v1 beforehand by /bowing even before the fight started.
If a thief suddenly jumps on me out of nowhere and I kill him, no /bow is deserved because it wasn’t an honorable fight to start with. In such a scenario, /laugh and stomps are in order.