Guild Wars 2

PU is fine..

The only problem comes when its mixed with torch and manipulation cd’s. Then its overkill and too easy.. Please fix anet I’m getting bored of my class and I can’t enjoy any of my wins.

I don’t have crashes with GW2 reports often but I did get a couple a few days back. More recently I’ve gotten blue screens and graphic card crashes, only happening when I play GW2 and has gotten so bad today I can’t wvw at all for more then 10 minutes even not near fights.

Whelp it’s not hard to see mirror blade bouncing around and know its time to blink dodge or invuln b4 the shatter lands.. But people just cannot manage I guess, personally I avoid that burst constantly playing mesmer with unusual builds vs these cookie cutters all day.

oooo yet another video of another mesmer pressing 2 blink f1… over and over……. god so boring as kitten..

denis.9487:

NvN.4321:

Take a warrior and go 1v1 on mesmer in wvw, hell even spvp in certain maps. Then tell me again how i should learn weakness of mesmer class.
I am dealing with your illusions, clones, stealth, dodges, dazes, stun breaks and now the ridiculous dmg boost. And i have to keep constant pressure while trying to burst you to be effective.
If you fail you can just reset the fight and try again and warriors can’t keep up with you anymore because of the GS nerf.
And you are playing vs most telegraphed class in game. The warrior burst are like kitten cinema screen. Earthshaker, backbreaker, skull crack , eviscerate you name it.

The warrior using signet has awesome sustain. Warrior weapons cleave no illusions no burst (removed clone death). Warriors have the same stun breaks plus immunities. Stuns with no diminishing return stun Mesmer is a dead Mesmer. Practice more is the answer to that statement. Sorry Mesmer isn’t face roll for you playing a warrior.

Pretty much any experienced mesmer knows, fighting against a warrior IS a faceroll. Yeah he can cleave clones but I can throw them back up quicker. With all this extra stealth it’s even easier not to even get hit by the warrior, on top of that pretty much constant protection if you manage to slip up and get hit once or twice..

Yeah well the recent patch brought me back to WvW lately. Guess what this one is going to do? Yep back to BF4 for the week, who know’s when I’ll be back to this game again, maybe not..

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

Lmfao, people are so over dramatic. It’s for a few days. And it’s a video game. How about have fun with it instead of acting like it’s the end of the world?

I’m excited about this… I can stop sitting in towers, starting upgrades, scouting, building siege and refreshing, etc. for the week and enjoy a mindless farm with a bunch of golems, it sounds great. It could cost us the match because we don’t have enough coverage who knows but it’ll be fun none the less and that’s the point of the game isn’kitten I thought all anyone ever did anymore was PPT anyway.

Please put the game down and step outside for a while if you’re actually angry about this.

Yeah, you already played WvW the boring, lame way. So, I’m not too surprised shutting off WvW for a week doesn’t bother you.

Some of us, actually like to play our toons and use their skills in WvW, and for us, this is basically turning off WvW for a week.

Yeah this is the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen in this game..

I want to play my toons in wvw that’s why I have 8 of them.. Not run around in kitten golems pressing 1 key all day..

I’m honestly amazed at how dumb this sounds.

When I feel like I cannot give up a trait for anything else, to me that says something is too strong.

PU is a must have, and the only reason is the stealth duration. I mean, 6s on decoy’s and 10 on MI? lol you would dumb not to include it in any build and no GM trait in the Mesmer tree can compete.

I personally have taken at least 10 minutes to res a mesmer with a large group guarding me. Before the corpse timer patch.. It is certainly reasonable..

We did get the zerg in..

Also I’ve had my timer get bugged quite a few times from partial res and not force me to respawn.

It was a double pun.

I just have to say, Warriors pay a similar price. There are several traits tied to how much adrenaline they have and so it is not “free” to just throw it away and get nothing (missing burst skill blow all adren) now have less healing, less crit etc… Same type of trade-off.

They also have to use skill/utility/heal or get damaged to get adrenaline.

SkiTz.4590:

Ashen.2907:

SkiTz.4590:

No ones whining about prices

People have been complaining about the price since it was announced. Not the only complaint but certainly a common one.

ScorpioSting.5917:

It became obvious why gaming industry makes jokes of us (50$ for a little expansion even for players that already have the game) with ppl like you throwing money like that… GG

dank.3680:

I showed them, 3 copies of GW2 in my house that won’t get updated till they sell it at a fair price.

It doesn’t take too much looking to see plenty of other price complaints.

Price whining is completely ignored by Anet.. it does nothing at all to whine about price.
That is not a legitimate complaint AT ALL and most sane ppl see that.
Everyone complains about pricing on every thing in this world. Everything is expensive to someone, speaking relatively.
Price whining was never a legit complaint falling on Anets ears, they could care less about what people think of the price tag, its pretty standard, most people see that when they compare it to other popular MMO price tags….
Its a useless complaint, no one paid any attention to. The most important complaint was never the price..

If you think 90$ anet could have from me right now for a fairly priced expansion instead of 0$ is something they ignore, you are sadly mistaken.

I showed them, 3 copies of GW2 in my house that won’t get updated till they sell it at a fair price.

kitteng.1920:

are you seriously asking for a literally “free” character slot? The new character slot bonus in the prepurchase is now in favor for veterans that don’t want to delete a existing character on their account for the new class.

Yes, show me a game that released a new class and didn’t give you a slot to use it if you paid for the class (expansion)…

Shinzan.2908:

Before I would have had to buy an extra character slot along with the expansion which just felt like a kick in the unmentionables… With the character slot the expansion costs only 35e/40$, think that’s fair.

Seeing I just bought a bunch of games on steam for a few bucks, I don’t mind new players getting a good deal, as long as veterans also get something for their ongoing support.

Naw the expansion still costs 50$. They just added a char slot which every single game including gw1 gives for free when they add a new character. Yep still feeling ripped off here.

Yep still not paying 50$ for this “expansion”.. It’s not worth the money, show me a full game and I’ll pay you 50$, until then I’ll stop playing gw2 until the “expansion” is a fair 20-30.

If they lowered the price to 30$ I would be buying 3 copies today. At 50 I won’t buy it period, 40 I might buy 1 for me. Up to you Anet how much money do you want from me? 90? 40? 0?

DresdenAllblack.1249:

$50 is a night out, a tank of gas, a bag of groceries, or a video game on ANY system.

What did you expect?

A video games worth of content maybe? That’s not what is coming, so why does it cost a video game’s price?

For me 50$ is simply too much for the amount of content I perceive to be coming(judging from Anets released info), especially not including a character slot is a punch in the face.

As an example of the amount of content I expect for a 50$ expasion- BF4 premium was 50$, it came with all future Bf4 content releases of which there is four, each of which have a ton of content.

dervix.9126:

NecroN.8306:

dervix.9126:

NecroN.8306:

dervix.9126:

NecroN.8306:

bubalu.8301:

Alexxander.8306:

Give them to veterans for the new class. Give those of us who were conned by the FAQ something as compensation for the damages (as we did not have the play time to justify parity with veterans), and leave the base version as it is. This is well within their power.

You still need GW2 to play HoT. Most people have been playing GW2 for a long time. Just because Anet is including GW2 with HoT does not mean you or any veteran player has suffered any actual damages.

Yet another freshly made Anet damage control account.. This is just getting pathetic.

You’ve got a lot of tinfoil on your head, buddy.
Just because Bubalu didn’t post before this doesn’t mean it’s ‘freshly made’. They have a character in-game with 25,238 AP and are currently playing in WvW as I talk.

Sure. Whatever you want to think. For people like Bubalu with strong vocal opinions to remain silent on the hundreds of controversial topics till now is nill, but whatever you say.

I have been playing for months and I’ve barely posted on the forums either. Apparently the 25 thousand AP and the account currently in use is not enough for me to prove it to you. Add them yourself.

Did I touch a nerve our something? I said whatever you say.

Poe’s Law. ‘Whatever you say’ is generally considered to be sarcastic or a statement of disbelief, and it’s hard to transmit that kind of intonation (or a lack thereof, in this case) through text.

It’s more of a “think whatever you want I don’t care what you think anymore” type of statement where I come from.

Jski.6180:

Lethality.1732:

The expansion cost is $50. The GW2 vanilla client is free.

I have a feeling it would be a non issue if there was no free GW2 game added on. Though its hard to get ppl to get them to ask this of them self and to make them realizes they are getting “mad” over getting something for free.

Well personally I saw the 50$ tag and thought wtf. I read the part about the included base game and, well I had no special thought about that in particular.

Many of us just don’t think it’s going to be worth 50$.. Considering that is basically the cost of a new game. They have not hinted anything near the amount of content coming I would consider paying 50$ for. And without a char slot, really? come on…

Biobasher.2619:

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

Biobasher.2619:

And you’re missing my point, everything in the gem store could be earned with gold. If you chose to purchase it with money then that was a decision you made.

That still doesn’t change the fact that players have been buying lots of things from the Gem Store, and paying for the supposedly free content by doing so. So saying that the content was free… it wasn’t really. We all paid for it.

Again, an option you made and could’ve done differently.

Yeah, imagine if we all did differently. If nobody payed that cash shop. Yeah none of those free updates you talked about, forget about this XPACK, and say goodbye to a whole lot of players.

Entenkommando.5208:

dank.3680:

Entenkommando.5208:

dank.3680:

This is NOT and NEVER was a sub game. There are other non-sub games out there, compare it to one of those.

It had an improved combat system.
It had an improved questing system.
It had an improved event system.
It had free content over 3 years.
It had 0 p2w.

Everything cost 50$ only.

I think they won the comparison.

Yeah GW2 is a great game, and gave all the promised value at its price when released (I pre-ordered the 60$ package).

This half kitten “expansion” is not worth the cost of the full game.. Now show me some kind of relevant comparisons that show why HOT is worth 50$?

Because the base game was worth way more than 60$, because you had free content for 3 years, because you will supposably get another few years of free content.

Let’s just assume that besides the Living story all big updates would have been saved for an expansion.
The new pvp browser, new pvp maps, the new WvW ranks, the WvW ruins, fractals, ascended gear, Guild missions, the improved world bosses, everything. All the things you did get for free.
Would this amount of content be enaugh for an expansion? 100% yes.
And you can assume this way of updating with HoT as well.

Nobody had free content for 3 years. SOMEONE payed for it. The cash shop is there for a reason. This would NOT be a sub-free game, without the cash shop, without PEOPLE (me included!), PAYING money to this cash shop.

People, why so ignorant.

Jornophelanthas.1475:

I would like to post a link to a thread that may give some insight in why people are so mad:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Reason-why-people-are-mad-Fairness/first#post5168853

Here’s the gist:
It is not greed or entitlement, but genuine moral outrage at unequal pricing.

Group 1 (who have nothing) pay $50 and receive A + B.
Group 2 (who already own A) pay $50 and receive B.
These two groups pay the same price, but they get unequal value in return. This touches people at a deep emotional level: “That is unfair!”

So why did ArenaNet not see this coming? Because pricing and sales policy are very rational activities, while morality is a very irrational, emotional thing. No, they’re not evil or immoral. It was a blind spot.

People really shouldn’t assume what others think and feel. This is so offbase for me. I am upset because an expansion is not worth 50$. Pretty simple no confusion.

Biobasher.2619:

dank.3680:

Biobasher.2619:

RabbitUp.8294:

Biobasher.2619:

Most people who’ve played the game since release have seen 3 years of free content, some of which new players won’t see.

It’s not like they paid $60 for the original game or anything, right?

You paid for what you saw. I’d also like to point out that this could very well have been a monthly sub game. Yes, you spent $60 on the game, but again, 3 years of free content? I’d take it, you see games nowadays coming out year after year forcing $60. But this is a 1 in 3 year time they’ve said “Look, we’ve made an expansion, can you please buy it?”. And it’s greeted by a bunch of people acting like children because “Oh there’s no character slot” or “Oh the core game’s coming along”. What part is it that people miss?
For the character slots, yes, same developers, but that’s like me saying about Bethesda or some other company, they don’t do everything the same every game.
The core game, look at the price it’s been for a while, look at it. That’s not exactly worth it to Anet. Among with the fact that new players = more money, and more money = more content. I don’t see how this is a negative for many people…

I’m not sure if it was here or elsewhere I posted this, but the only ones that deserve to be mad are the ones from last week’s points of interest.

Hopefully when they release the physical versions and they’re more appealing (for your sakes at least) the negative sods can get their a** out of a twist.

I’d like to point out that if this was a sub game most players who came from wow and other sub games probably would have STAYED. And on top of that, players such as me who were ONLY interested in pre-purchasing the game BECAUSE it had no sub would have never been here.

This is NOT and NEVER was a sub game. There are other non-sub games out there, compare it to one of those.

Then compare, but you admitted yourself, you wouldn’t be here if there was a sub fee, and that goes for many people. They could have tried draining you out of every coin those 3 years, but they didn’t. Which is what baffles me as to why people are complaining. I didn’t play GW1, I joined GW2 6 months ago and tried catching up, the destruction of LA, Scarlet briar, those weird manequin things, all that I would’ve liked to have seen and taken part in… but I wasn’t, which makes me envy some players who did all this. The fact that nobody takes into consideration the things that’ve been given to them is just… Unsettling. It actually proves the greed that people have, and that nothing will ever satisfy some people.

I am complaining because the product is not worth the price. I don’t give 2 kittens what they give to new players. I want the expansion to be worth the cost, period. 50 for what I’ve been shown so far is a giant joke.

Nothing was given to me. I was presented a product that made certain claims and cost 60 dollars ( the version I got). I payed for every cent of whatever was “given” to me. (still happy with this purchase! regardless of my issues with the game “wvW”)

Still has nothing to do with why HOT should cost 50 dollars.

Entenkommando.5208:

dank.3680:

This is NOT and NEVER was a sub game. There are other non-sub games out there, compare it to one of those.

It had an improved combat system.
It had an improved questing system.
It had an improved event system.
It had free content over 3 years.
It had 0 p2w.

Everything cost 50$ only.

I think they won the comparison.

Yeah GW2 is a great game, and gave all the promised value at its price when released (I pre-ordered the 60$ package).

This half kitten “expansion” is not worth the cost of the full game.. Now show me some kind of relevant comparisons that show why HOT is worth 50$?

So what if they ripped you off? Continue giving them money? I stopped reading there…

Really?? Hey mugger come back you forgot to take my car?

I guess some people are just accustom to bending over with no resistance.

Biobasher.2619:

RabbitUp.8294:

Biobasher.2619:

Most people who’ve played the game since release have seen 3 years of free content, some of which new players won’t see.

It’s not like they paid $60 for the original game or anything, right?

You paid for what you saw. I’d also like to point out that this could very well have been a monthly sub game. Yes, you spent $60 on the game, but again, 3 years of free content? I’d take it, you see games nowadays coming out year after year forcing $60. But this is a 1 in 3 year time they’ve said “Look, we’ve made an expansion, can you please buy it?”. And it’s greeted by a bunch of people acting like children because “Oh there’s no character slot” or “Oh the core game’s coming along”. What part is it that people miss?
For the character slots, yes, same developers, but that’s like me saying about Bethesda or some other company, they don’t do everything the same every game.
The core game, look at the price it’s been for a while, look at it. That’s not exactly worth it to Anet. Among with the fact that new players = more money, and more money = more content. I don’t see how this is a negative for many people…

I’m not sure if it was here or elsewhere I posted this, but the only ones that deserve to be mad are the ones from last week’s points of interest.

Hopefully when they release the physical versions and they’re more appealing (for your sakes at least) the negative sods can get their a** out of a twist.

I’d like to point out that if this was a sub game most players who came from wow and other sub games probably would have STAYED. And on top of that, players such as me who were ONLY interested in pre-purchasing the game BECAUSE it had no sub would have never been here.

This is NOT and NEVER was a sub game. There are other non-sub games out there, compare it to one of those.

Regardless of all that, I’m just not going to pay 50 for something that should cost 20 when you consider what you are getting for the amount of money. 50$ is kitten near the price of a newly released game (cough this one)…

Well you may think I’m “entitled” or whatever. But in my opinion and gaming experience 45 dollars is way too much for a DLC to a game that cost only 15 more then that in it’s entirety.. This is not a game sized expansion. This is some updates that should be free along with a new class and a couple new maps. This is the sort of content that normally costs around 20$ in my experience.

Well I already payed 60ish for the core game. Not spending that much again for an expansion, when you are now giving out the core game for free. Awesome way to show how much you valued my core game purchase.

Wont be getting the expansion until it is offered as an UPGRADE at a fair price.

Vercinorix.3021:

@ OP: Please read more carefully and think before you post. Upgrade time does depend on yaks making it in.

I am far more concerned that there has yet to be any mention of a way for scouts to get some type of compensation for the incredibly boring job of sitting in a tower or keep as an early warning system.

I hope Anet just forgot to tell us that they finally decided to import one last thing from Dark Age of Camelot that they forgot up till now: automated # of enemies in area reports to all members of the owning guild when a guard is killed or a wall is damaged of a structure or location claimed by the guild.

I’d rather less incentive for “scouts” to sit on cannons shooting at passing roamers all day, personally.

Get rid of bloodlust again while youre at it. Kthnx

Pretty simple my heavies are male light/leather female. Because that’s the way the gear doesn’t look terrible.

Stealth guardian condi trapper bunkers.. Yep…

Is it possible that the grandfathering of the newer Magic Find system was bugged and new accounts are not affected by it.

Or perhaps the bug is on the new account side and they are getting positive benifits.

coglin.1867:

dank.3680:

Oh god heres the first step to getting our very last way to communicate with enemies removed.. *I don’t get it nobody cries about it in spvp.. *

Get some thicker skin jeeze you can just right click the name in chat and block them!

SOME of us like to make friends and compliment our enemies on a good fight…

I am shocked anyone is so ill-informed to say anything such as what is in the bold. The PvP subforum has a new thread every day with complaints about opposing team players making vile comments, messages and whispers.

Really a new thread every day about the bad chat. All I see for 10 pages is crying about OP builds and unbalanced matches.

Fay.2357:

dank.3680:

DaShi.1368:

I worry that the shield phantasm will be another iMage.

I don’t really. To me it looks like it functions much like scepter 2, it has counter play but when landed right, good effect.

Better to compare it to the pDisenchanter. A phantasm that uses a bouncing projectile attack that deals low damage, but makes up for the lack of damage with incredible utility.

Well I meant the fact that there is a delay after the attack landing/blocking before the phant comes out, similar to scepter 2.

DaShi.1368:

I worry that the shield phantasm will be another iMage.

I don’t really. To me it looks like it functions much like scepter 2, it has counter play but when landed right, good effect.

Well the alactricty has a counter already to keep it in check and it is called chill. I would expect them to add more chill in the game.

I’m sure it will work out decent in the end but we have yet to see other spec’s or classes.

Derren.8724:

dank.3680:

Oh god heres the first step to getting our very last way to communicate with enemies removed.. I don’t get it nobody cries about it in spvp..

Get some thicker skin jeeze you can just right click the name in chat and block them!

SOME of us like to make friends and compliment our enemies on a good fight…

And having someone whisper you after a fight to compliment/ask about build/etc is great when it happens.

Unfortunately, that seems to be the vast minority of cross-server whispers in WvW. It gets hard to tell if someone whispering you is being bitterly sarcastic or complimentary, and you can ignore people who just want to start a friendly chat because it’s hard to believe that’s actually something that happens.

There are definite benefits to having cross-faction/cross-server chat available, but the number of times its abused is unfortunately why it’s taken out/never implemented in other MMOs.

I find that a Diamond in the rough is still a Diamond and Diamonds are great.

Anyways we have this feature in SPVP and it happens all the time, people know they can just block someone. I don’t see why it’s suddenly an issue because its WvW.

My second point is that if what some random nobody in an MMO whispers bothers you then well, you have bigger issues to work on.

Oh god heres the first step to getting our very last way to communicate with enemies removed.. I don’t get it nobody cries about it in spvp..

Get some thicker skin jeeze you can just right click the name in chat and block them!

SOME of us like to make friends and compliment our enemies on a good fight…

Tonikor.5637:

From an artistic point of view, the video is great. But man, that zoomed in view really killed it for anyone that wants to know whats happening: who you’re targetting, where he’s from, who you could have targetted instead, your keybindings, which conditions you have on you, your remaining hp, etc.
It really took out a huge portion of the surroundings and from another thief who takes notice in detail, it left the video lacking.

Speaking of lacking, the oponents. Man oh man were they bad, or even upscaled (we couldn’t see that huehue). You’re playing against two of the strongest servers pvp-wise and all you can find are scrubs like that? Sorry, but it looks rigged lol.

The music doesn’t seem to go well with a “action”, fast-paced, movie though; didn’t like that part but its a matter of preference I guess.

I think you’re better off making those troll videos we all know and love :^)

I disagree I have no problem following whats going on in the fight from the actions happening, which I can see more clearly thanks to his view.

I solved the issue pretty easily.. What I did was :

Not play for the day, as well as my GF and daughter.

I was really sad the last patch had broken my build but now I am very happy this patch has improved it..

PaxTheGreatOne.9472:

PaxTheGreatOne.9472:

I also showed you in the examples above why if you release the DPS is everything Meta, celestial is way better, as long as you use more then 5 of the provided stats.

TooBz.3065:

To me, that makes the zerker version 42% more powerful than the celestial version. (The full might version worked out to 37.9% more powerful) Unless there’s some way that 600 points of condition damage makes up for it.

Full version with fury is 36.5% more powerful.

What am I missing?

You’re missing the fact there are reasons NOT to look at absolute power but at versatility.

The zerk build I posted is stronger: at peak 40%, but in return it’s squishy.

The celestial build has the following advantages:
-usable condition dmg, especially when stacked,
-healing power to make a non healing build still heal like a monk,
-toughness, enough to be not squishy anymore,
-6k added health,
- it retains the possibility to do okay damage, with a usable critical chance, at 189% ferocity….

And NO, it will not be my first choice in dungeons. But it will stay alive in content with pressure, where you need to be versatile, and need to be able to heal on demand, for decent amounts, have access to condition dmg.

I would like, when you compare the 2, to ask yourself to mind DPS, but ALSO watch:
- effective health (so mitigation and health) and
- healing capability (remember water has an auto AOE heal called soothing mist which does scale with healing power, staff 1 will heal, as does skill 3, and skill 5 will give regen, skills 3 &5 have water fields affected by helaing),
- condition dmg will make applying fire more then just an icon on a skill bar and earth attunment more then just a blast finisher and a blind….

And yet it can and will crit, if you build for it it can get a sustained amount of quite okay damage. Allowing you to be versatile.

Which was what you miss… versatility.

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if you want dmg go zerk or assassin
if you want condi dmg go rabid
if you want tanky go nomad
if you want heals & dmg go zealot
if you want heal & tanky go clerics
if you want heal & tanky and condition go settler
if you want a health pool and tanky and power go sentinels or soldiers
if you want a health pool and tanky and conditions go dire
if you want dmg and conditions go carrion, rampager or sinister

if you want ALL go CELESTIAL, okay you will not have 1400 condition dmg or 2600 power or 25 k health, but you will be versatile.

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I’ll be honest I use my celestial armor only in situations I know my zerk armor is not what I need. The Grawl Fractal or Mai Trin, Or in very big crowded events with a lot of presure (Lion’s Arch siege comes to mind) or in World VS World. I retain sustain, I can be healer, or DPS or conditions in 1 keyslash….And when buffed I retain enough damage capability.

And this versatility =/= max dps =/= max dot =/= max healing =/= max survivability…

But it is powerfull in it’s own way. AND the timegate is good, iot will keep noobs away and leave the people who thought it through.

Man I’m sorry I’m trying to hear your argument but all I hear is “I want to have something over others”.

Exotic armor is supposed to be readily available when you hit 80 and easy to get. Because you want a specific build choice should not change that fact when we are still talking about exotics.

If you want to be better then everyone else that’s when you go making ascended or legendary weapons. Neither of which I care to have. I’ve played since release and played nearly every kitten combo possible on all 8 classes. I don’t care about people having stat bonuses over me (I’m a wvw player where everyone and their mom is in full ascended and I’m in very little and I don’t mind it).

I just want to play around with different builds for a change of pace so I don’t quit the game out of boredom during a time of very stale WvW matchups.

Yes I always knew about the gate but never really wanted to bother with celestial sets until now. So take it for what it is.

Besides if Celestial stats were as game changing as you think, the very vocal very diligent theory crafters and build testers and youtubers and streamers of the community would make it the meta. Much like what happened to make Berserker into the meta.

I know more challenging content is coming.. But many people like to overcome challenge by improving gameplay rather then relying on defense stats. My opinion is that Berserker will remain the meta and only skill/trait/play choices will change.

Phoenix.5047:

There’s a lot of null discussion going on here, the end point is :
We’re supposed to be able to play as we want, and time-gating stat combinations prevents us from experimenting with different builds.
There’s no point to Celestial time-gating specifically, because it has zero effect on the economy. Time-gated Celestial is just a nuisance.

Thanks for putting my words better then I was.

PaxTheGreatOne.9472:

These 2 ele builds have been made based on Wup Wup and Zojja’s stats, with IMHO relevant runes, foods and utility, I tend to compare with easy applicable buffs in mind, all based upon staff with a dps staff build as background. I understand runes of strength could be more logical in case of might stacking builds, but not in max stat vs DPS comparison. I do not prefer travelers due to the loss of stats in the 25% speed buff, due to the fact ele can self buff swiftness easily…, the boon and condition duation could be nice though…. divinity is still the rune providing most stat points rune of the pack providing only 300 (highest of others) and divinity providing 8+10+12+14+16+18= 78*7 for a total of 546 points, though losing out on other potential buffs.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fFAQFAWnMISLD20AWPAdEIgAQIlMcgIDEVq47vA-TxBBABA8AAiZ/BzU+loOAGuAAOqEkU1fIFwWLjA-e

For a full celestial/divinity build, leaving 2000 power, 45% crit chance, (724 ferocity) 189% crit dmg, 624 condition dmg, 724 healing power, 2500 armor and 18k HP

VS

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fFAQFAWnMISLD20AWPAdEIgAQIlMcgIDEVq47vA-ThBBABYt/o8DgHAQe6AY4CAUp6PnpEkUA6pMC-e

Full zerk/scholar build leaving 2685 power, 55% crit chance, 213% crit dmg, 0 condition dmg, 100 healing power, 1893 armor and 12k HP

Both builds can stack bloodlust (250 power), can stack another 270 power& condition dmg with might (max 750 when assisted) (totalling 520/1000 power&270/750 condition dmg (self/assisted)) and gain 20% critical chance by blasting a firefield….

Considering condition dmg will be way more viable and selfsustainability is way more important in pve then it is in dungeons the choice for celestial is a logical one. These stats (based upon a sigil of accuracy and bloodlust with relevant foods) are clear maximisations, of course the choice for divinity runes can be debated but doesn’t step outside the bounderies of these builds.

Max dmg for celestial in a good buffing party will be 15-20% lower then a zerk (3000 power,65% crit buffed vs 3600,75% crit buffed) while retaining good defensive and support capabilities…. with banners and empower allies the difference shrinks even more…, the high toughness might attract fire from spawns though.

The fact META only looks at DPS will change once the importance of pure DPS for dmg shifts… likely through more implementation of high amor low vitality enemies, and through the -possible- removal of the condition stack cap…

In general celestial is way more versatile then zerker, BUT it doesn’t allow for any maximisation other then max total amount of stats…… (which is very powerful in it’s own way…)
It is however way more powerfull compared to any other stat as long as you are not focussing on pure DPS, leaving the timegate appropriate for now….

We are talking about a stat combo here, available to anyone in the game. At some point even after waiting 30 days I will eventually have this stupidly gated armor. At which point all this junk you posted means nothing.

Please remain on topic. The topic is not how relevant Celestial stats are. The topic is how silly one stat combo is 30 day time gated while other equally viable stat combos (the actual meta ones aka best) are available easily and quickly.

MaXi.3642:

Elitist.8701:

PvP and WvW are way more fun than PvE… IMO this game has awful PvE.

interesting is that most other people find PvE in GW2 very good and quite fun compared to other games (and I mean mainly leveling, not end game PvE), but of course it wont make a PvE player from a PvP player who never liked PvE…

Well I don’t know who you think most people is but you should just speak for yourself. I for one think the pve in this game is beyond boring well into mind numbing. I happen to like pve in many other mmos.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

You’re going to be seeing more enemies that are immune to physical or condition damage in PvE. Having stats in both areas will make players more well rounded to handle various challenges. Being pure Zerker or Condi is a thing of the past. Plus, Celetial gear in SPvP is ultra strong.

Not that I care about pve but the meta right now is Berserker, it’s Berserker and not Celestial for a reason.

In pvp only a few builds will run the celestial amulet mostly d/d ele but it is available to everyone and anyone just the same as every stat combo is.. So thanks for providing more proof that this gating of stat combo is silly.