Guild Wars 2

Cygnus.6903:

Constantly talking about other classes gets you nowhere. Warrior was perfectly fine, even a little underpowered DPS wise, before the nerf. There simply isn’t a reason not to revert it.

Try to fix other classes in topics that focus on, well, other classes.

Those 5% damage nerfs did further damage warriors that like to do content solo, where banners often don’t even matter enough to slot one.

lol wat.

In solo content warriors are even stronger than in group content.
Except elementalists no other classes have that easy access to fury and might.
It’s the second strongest class to solo content.
And probably they’re still.

Yes but you don’t bring them for that. If you don’t need a portal you won’t bring a mesmer at the same way you won’t bring an engineer because everthing he offers an Elementalist / thief already bring with an moreover much better.
You could also enumerate that the Warrior offers CC, shoutheal and warbanner but you don’t bring him for that.

It is a curcular argument.

So for what reason you bring a Ranger, a Mesmer, a guardian and an engineer?

At the same way you bring a warrior only because of banners, you’ll bring a Mesmer only because of his portal and a ranger only because of his spirit and his spotter trait.

The only classes you won’t bring just because of their group support are elementalists and thiefs.

Yes do it pls.we already have enough pve streams we need more skillfull pvp streams so i would watch

That’s the reason why thief, elementalist and warrior are superior in PvE atm.

Yes that’s an other problem which shows that you can’t simply nerf/buff classes without references to other classes.

There’ll always be the class which is able to deal the most damage, so there’ll always be the classes who have to stand in the shade dps-wise and have to be satisfied with their support they offer.

Though, it would be fair to give warriors at least the chance to decide either to bring support and low dps or low support and “good” dps in return.

But that’s not a warrior problem. As I mention you can employ this example on every class which doesn’t deal the highest dps.
Ranger Spotter+Spirit, Guard boons +reflect,Mesmer portal,Engineer vulnerability etc.

kayo.3817:

You are like those people who say “warriors are in a good spot right now. Heck, even with the recent nerfs, we’re still doing well, if not better than before.” hint – nerfs = getting screwed over.

Nerfs doesn’t have to mean that you are screwed over. You can nerf sth. and it becomes balanced.

We’re crap at the start of game.
We got buffed after 1.5yrs (wow it took 1.5yrs?)
We’re not free kills anymore, but not OP killers.
People start to panic and QQ and refuse to adapt.
We got nerfed.
People still QQ because they want to make sure we always remain free kills.
Ranger got buffed and took some flak off us.

Where do people cry? This thread is about buffing the warrior not nerfing him.
Warrior is atm as balanced as never before. That’s why he is used in top PvE guilds for Speedruns and is used in top tier pvp teams and that’s why he doesn’t deserve buffs.
That has nothing to do with crying.

We asked to be buffed to allow us a chance.

That’s the point. Why do you need buffs. Read what I wrote two lines above and it should be clear that you don’t need buffs. So about what “chance” you need are you talking ?

People get worried we won’t be free kills again.
People continue to QQ to all suggestions to allow us any buffs.
We start threads like these to suggest ideas to improve the class, but not make it OP.
Then trolls hijack threads like these which give suggestions to continue their QQ.

Some people have noticed that warrior is fine as it is. He isn’t to strong but has his usage in every gamemode even in top tier.
So at the same way nerfs would be unjustified atm every buff would be unjustified,too.

So please do us a favour and troll other professions instead, cause we used to get, have got, and still getting flak for everything.

So you talk all the time about PvP,allthough this is a PvE-Thread.
You think that warrior in PvP is atm to weak that he deserve buffs – mention as much “QQ” as I didn’t see before and call other people “trolls” because they are against a buff of your class?

k.

@ Purple Miku:
I completly understand your point that the warrior has to be used as supporter and that you even don’t have the chance to act as a DD.

That’s why I suggested to buff the dps but to nerf his group buffs in return.
You have to find a compromise for that.
Simply to buff his dps ( doesn’t matter how much ) doesn’t solve the problem.

spoj.9672:

The reason for warriors in speedruns is for the banners. Everything else is mediocre for speedruns. Essentially you are not taking a warrior you are taking the banner of disc and banner of strength class.

Can we stop throwing insults around just because you disagree.

At the same way you don’t take a Mesmer, you are taking a portal, you don’t take a guard you are taking boons and reflect, you don’t take a ranger you are taking a spirit + spotter, you don’t take necromance because you don’t take necromancer.

so what?

But I now agree with the complains.
Warriors are urgently in the need of buffs. They are trashtear in PvE, freekils in PvP and lootbags in WvW.
The various arguments I read here why they desperatly need them convinced me.
Oh wait, what arguments actually were brought untill yet?

I still search vainly the " buff warriors BECAUSE….."

I loled at reading “melee class” and monotonous dungeons.
That proofes namely that you haven’t understand why you pick up a warrior in speedruns.

Then I was astonished when I had to read that in low lvl PvP warrior is bad – everyone complains about hambow because it’s that easy to play and a faceroll class.

The coronation of this post is the WvW topic. Obv. the reason GvG zergs consist of 50% warriors is that you always lay on the ground as warrior.

But it’s okey.
Buff warrior.
Warrior is trash tear in PvE, allthough they are used in 18/26 speedruns.
Warriors are freekills in PvP ,allthough they are used in serveral top tier teams.
Warriors are bad in Zergfights,allthough every GvG-Team is playing with them

srsly what I get to read here is very impressive.

Anet fix it pls, that Miku can enjoy high numbers in arah again and that the warrior FINALLY becomes viable in PvP after 2 years ( they are bad as kitten in PvP none uses them !!!11)

#fix it

Sadly, not many people care about speedruns anymore it seems but they nearly show perfect what classes are to prefer in groups.
And I guess, 4/26, 0/26, 5/26 compared to 18/26 is meaningful.

deSade.9437:

pls read at least once. The Banners are important so one warrior is important. So your sentence that you don’t care about warriors asides banners doesn’t make any sense.
I also don’t care about mesmers aside portals, don’t care about guards aside stability and wor and don’t care about rangers aside spirit+spotter… so what?

And you never would exchange the warrior for an engi because he can stack might and vulnerabilty.
All in all the warrior offers better dps for groups than the engi is able to – that’s the reason why the warrior is superior and that’s the reason you do nearly every recordrun with a warrior and nearly no recordrun with an engineer.
None cares about might stacks from a ranger or an engineer in a group, it’s the task of the elementalist and you will get the 25 stacks uptime, anyways.
Therefore you care about what class offers the best dps buffs for an optimal group dps. And this class is the warrior – not an engineer and not a ranger.

In the current 26 speedclear records 18 times a warrior is used, 4 times a ranger is used and 0 times an engineer is used.Guard was used in 5 cases.
But Warrior isn’t superior it seems. Their dmg is kitten, they are trashtear ,none cares about banners and none cares if a warrior is in the group.

k.

Does it matter whether they are superior in groups because of their dps or because of their group buffs?

How would you call it if you see in nearly every speedrun ( and I talk about real recordruns) warriors but only in a very very few speedruns Rangers / Engineers / Guards / Necromancers?

Neither you would exchange this warrior for a Ranger or an engineer ,nor you would change the warrior out if a guardian is needed.

So you wouldn’t call it superior?

It wouldn’t be surperior if an engineer outdps a warrior that much that it doesn’t matter if you have an engineer and his dps in your group or a warrior with his buffs.

It wouldn’t be superior if a ranger would bring the same amount of offensive buff as the warrior is able to offer.

It wouldn’t be superior if the warrior would deal the same dps as other classes deal but then he shouldn’t bring that much better group buffs in return.

Lol, hes talking about early 2013 when no top team had a warrior, top warriors could not find a team, if you encounter a warrior in TQ in 10 matches you are lucky. not recent teams. if you really know “start” does not mean when you started playing this game which is “like last month or something” , not to mention TCG did not run warrior on ToG.

kayo.3817:

WvW or PvP….we went from free kills at the start, to somewhat quite decent after 1.5yrs, then around 6mths after that, we’re back to free kills again.

I marked it for you.

Guardian brings so much more value to the team. You clearly don’t know how much value does reflect offers. simply one reflect will make a fight to so much faster so much easier. I don’t see the reason why guardian should out put higher DPS then a warrior with close to no team value except damage buff.

Why is a dmg buff close to no team value?
But that’s propably the reason in nearly every speedruns warriors are used but only in a few a guard is needed and used.
And that’s the reason why I’m against a buff even against a buff in which a warrior would get only 0,0001% more damage on 100b.
They are superior in solo play and superior in groups compared to other classes even if they have better dps than the warrior on his own.

I understand your points but imo I’m just against it.

Interpretor.3091:

I don’t want to offend WvW roamers, so don’t take offence about saying that please.
(Ofc I know a lot of good WvW players)

But I think that’s the small but nice difference between good Pvplers and good WvWlers.
Good PvPler have a much better CD and skill managment – they know when you have to use what skill and they exactly know how to face which classe because you know their rotations.

Last week for example I played in PvP against Juba and actually he played terrible. He used a strange GS/sword build, didn’t evade a single pindown ate much earthshakers and used so many random dodges as I didn’t see before.
Ofc I don’t want to say that he is bad now.
I still think he is very good in WvW roaming.
You just have other requirements there ,since you are allowed to make use of your mobility etc.

Against this necromancer for example every semi good PvP warrior knows, when to use stability and when to use berserk stances – when to evade corrputed boons and when to prevent sigent of spite.
You either pop berserker stance to prevent that your stab gets corrupted or you use it,when the fear chain starts.

I don’t want to defend imperators haughty behaviour but in terms of content he is absolutly right. It wasn’t really proper gameplay and so much random dodges lead to beliefe that he doesn’t really know much about necromancers rotations and skills.

As I said, I hope you don’t take offence about this.
I think it’s a nice Video,though.

kayo.3817:

Solo play warrior is still pretty good, although i can get better mileage off some other classes. Group play, what else can we have aside from banners and mediocre dps?

Nothing else,that’s the correct answer. But how would it be fair compared to other classes if you give them also good dps, allthough they have much better support opportunities?

A fair solution would be to nerf the banner buffs and to buff their dps in return.

Anyway, buff the dps of warriors and maybe then guardians are behind warriors dps wise…. so should guardians now complain about offering nothing else than boons / reflection and medicore dps? Shall guardians now complain about beeing trashtear because only mesmers and necromancers have lower dps? I just don’t get the logic behind.

WvW or PvP….we went from free kills at the start, to somewhat quite decent after 1.5yrs, then around 6mths after that, we’re back to free kills again.

However, this thread is not about PvP so none is arguing against buffs in PvP but…
Why are nearly all EU PvP top tear teams like TCG and CM playing with warriors if they are “a freekill” ? lol.

An elementalist can time his downstate skill as well. He can even uses his skill 0,1s before your stomp is completly casted.
So actually no.

1. instances
2. difficult / very difficult
3. inplemented before 2017

hybrid.5027:

I actually bought the game for pvp. In gw1 I didn’t care about the pve, I was in top gvg guilds from day 1 and I expected that sort of scene here. It didn’t work out like that for better or worse.

Mhhh…

I always hate it when people remind me how great Gw1 was. Suddenly Gw2 feels even worse everytime.

@Rom what’s the best mixture ratio between rum and coke?

Theres a big difference between buffing skills for no reason like 100b or to fix bugged and useless skills like axe 5, rush and bullcharge.

Warriors outdps most other classes in solo PvE content thanks to his easy access to might and fury and are also surprior in groupplay. Thers just no point to buff their dps for no reason imo.
That’s everything I’ve said.

If I can take a class that provides superior DPS, why would I take warrior if they did not bring banners?

If I can take a class that provides superior DPS, why would I take guardian if they did not bring boons and reflect?

If I can take a class that provides superior DPS, why would I take mesmer if they did not bring portals?

If I can take a class that provides superior DPS, why would I take engineer if they did not bring vulnerability?

If I can take a class that provides superior DPS, why would I take Ranger if they did not bring spirit + spotter?

Azure The Heartless.3261:

dominik.9721:

There is nothing “to fix” as the headline states.

You kidding bro? Sure you aren’t new to warrior?

“These skill bugs are all working as intended, but oh boy those banners~”

Then read again.
I never was reffering to any bug whether they should get fixed or not.
I argued about buffing warriors dps.

PetiteGeek.2961:

Does this actually make sense to you? At all? Ever? …… O_o

Yes if sb. is saying that a guard outdamage a warrior in PvE then my answer that this isn’t true makes a lot of sense.

Lol zerk medi guard says hi.

How well a class does under timewarp is not a standard by which you measure DPS.

Neither This Thread is about PvP and medi guards nor I talked about Mesmers timewarp.
I talk about guardians timewarp that he has to cast on his own which is ushually used in Speedruns. And during the casttime he is dealing litteraly 0 dps.

No I didn’t say that warriors are only intended to buff and support the group dps.
It’s just a fact that he is able to. And he’s doing it better than most of other classes.
Reduce the banner buffs and give warriors the same low group dps buffs as a ranger offers. Then you are allowed to give them the same dps as rangers have.
Since warriors are still surprior in PvE (and yes they are – solo they are faster than Mesmers,Necros,Engineers,Rangers,Guards, sometimes even than thiefs – and in groups you can’t exchange a warrior for a Ranger,Engineer,Guard,Necro )
since this is the current state you don’t have to buff warriors in PvE. There is nothing “to fix” as the headline states.

That’s the point.

Edit: guard doesn’t really outdamage warrior ,especally not when they have to play with timewarp.

Cygnus.6903:

Nobody would say HB and WW needed a 5% damage nerf, nor for SoR to have it’s durations reduced. This is just something they threw at the masses to calm them down, which it did somewhat.

Nobody would complain about buffing Greatsword dps in PvP or WvW but this thread is only about PvE and that’s the last gamemode where warrior needs increased dps imo.

jayson.6512:

@Dominik ( However, balance never should be about solo content, anyway)
In groups they are fine, as well – thanks to their possibility to increase the group dps a lot.

what i dont understand is you mention a lot about group support a warrior can give in a group and that is the reason why he never needed a buff on a last hit of 100b my head hurts i dont get your logic you mean because we have a good support build then we should stick with it and never try to build for high dps burst so you can call it balance or fine im not build my warrior for support ill make him a full zerker in pve and in high level fracs depends on my team if they needed my buff then i understand i wont deal huge damage but if i build my warrior into a zerker and still hit like a little girl and die very quickly because im to squishy i put every stats on my dps thats not fine thats far from fine. I just wish Anet balance warrior like guardians so we can just play and have fun.

Exactly this because it would be inbalanced if a class get on the one hand big personal dps and on the other hand that great offensive support.
You make believe that a warrior who goes dps doesn’t support and a warrior who supports doesn’t go dps – but no – if you play the dps build with banners you bring more offensive than most of other classes are able to. Bringing warriors now to nearly the same stage dps-wise would be just unjustified.

And a guardian is actually exactly the same. Great support and marginal personal dps.

@ Miku
Yes because their is nothing to debate anymore.

In my point of view the nerf was pretty fair and a buff is not justified.
You think that the nerf wasn’t justified and that it should be fixed back.

I guess that there never should be balance changes if balance changes aren’t necessary.
At the same way there shouldn’t be buffs if a class is very comfortable and viable in EVERY single gamemode. You don’t – that’s okey.

I don’t know why it’s that hard for you to accept my opinion.
But however I stated everything I had to bring up in this thread. So I’m against a warrior buff.

And oxtred… it’s hard for me to take PvE-heroes serious if they are doing nothing else than bringing unobjective comments in every single thread.

Yes I considered Solo play. It’s very comfortable as warrior since you are nearly the only class except ele which has that easy and huge acces to fury and might. ( However, balance never should be about solo content, anyway)
In groups they are fine, as well – thanks to their possibility to increase the group dps a lot.

That the nerf is “inconsequental” and makes the warrior less enjoiyable is your opinion, not mine nor it’s a fact.
As I already said, I think that it’s pretty fair that a class offers big group dps but low personal dps in return.

You can make as many suggestions as you want. But balance suggestions – doesn’t matter if nerfs or buffs – need arguements.
And arguments are far away from listing personal interests you would like to see. And exactly those personal interests to enjoy bigger numbers in your solo runs have nothing to do with balance suggestions. Changes should be present ingame when they are needed and not when they’re nice to have.
Deal with it, that I see some things different. I also accept you opinion but I don’t support this.

Purple Miku.7032:

dominik.9721:

The fact of the matter is that you didn’t make a single valid point why warriors even should deserve a buff.

Is it not valid because you don’t agree with it lol?

No I just can’t find out a single valid argument, maybe you haven’t brought anyone yet.
Everything you say is “it’s nice to have” and " before the patch it was better pls fix it back" But if a buff isn’t necessary, a buff won’t come , shouldn’t come.
Theres just no reason to buff warrior if warrior is still good and viable in every gamemode like maha mentioned as well.
Following your logic , I can open a Ranger thread now demanding to buff Sword AA about 10%.
It wouldn’t affect PvP and wouldn’t disturb PvE.
Of course not but they don’t need it so it would be nonsense, especally not in PvE. Warriors don’t need to have “semi-garbage” dps if they offer huge increased group dps in return.

Now tell me why warriors are in need of a buff and not what you like to have for seeing even bigger numbers.

The fact of the matter is that you didn’t make a single valid point why warriors even should deserve a buff.
At the current state they’re very comfortable in every gamemode and don’t lack anywhere.
Further, as I mentioned it’s pretty fair that a warrior has considerably lower dps than a ranger or an engineer if the warrior is able to increase the group dps that much in return. So yes, the nerf wasn’t necessary but pretty fair imo.

Probably we have just different opinions in what warriors should get, that’s okey but I still think warrior is fine as it is.

You don’t have to inform me. I’ve mained warrior since headstart and did serveral speedruns on my own with my guild.
And no I’m not a warrior with dolyak sigent who thinks that warrior has the best dps.
I know that even an engineer and a ranger has got better dps now BUT…..

Warrior is still necessary for groups – does it matter that he is needed because of his dps or because of his offensive support? I would suggest, no!

Except elementalist Warrior is the only class that has that easy access to might and fury which makes it very pleasant and easy to play solo content.

There is also the fact that Warrior is very easy to handle, compared to an elementalist / thief , even guardian requires more.

No the 100b nerf wasn’t necessary but at the same way a buff isn’t necessary.
Why should a class that has all those advantages and is viable in every gamemode get buffs?
Why should a warrior deal the same dps as a ranger allthough he brings much better support to the group?
Why should a warrior deal the same dps as an engineer,allthough he has better dps-group- buffs and is way easier to play?

Actually, I would be glad about those buffs, because I still main warrior but neither buffs are necessary nor buffs are justified.
I wouldn’t complain if dps is the only thing a warrior offers but we talk about warrior not necromancer.

rseqw.9706:

Hoaxintelligence.4628:

Nice vid! But I think you would have more succes If you replace your GS with Hammer ^^

dont forget the soldier ammy, strength runes and sigil of doom lel.

^
WvW guys can’t know

I don’t see any reason why warrior needs to get “fixed”.
They are still necessary for a group because they bring great offensive support and they’re still good for soloing content. Maybe theire dps isn’t that great compared to a thief but in comparison to those classes warriors have very good acces to buffing themself. There is just no reason with all those advantages to give them big dps as well.
Furthermore, they’re the most easiest class you can play as well in PvE as in PvP.
So no , warrior is fine.

Zelyhn Lekovitch.2867:

oxtred.7658:

It’s cool and all but this is a thread about SC Arah path 3 record, not how unfair life is.

This is about friendly competition, so it is right where it should be

Friendly competition?
This “friendly competition” is even worse than the acting in top tier pvp.
I didn’t see as much arrogance, vanity,hate and flames from players in any other gamemode as I notice from some players who are participating in GW2 SC-Competition.

Sad but true.

Ok. I already wondered myself. I always thought only warriors with dolyak sigent are doing gearchecks.

oxtred.7658:

The Eu pugs are a divine punition. After 150 gearchecks and “did you read the lfg?”, you’ll solo the fractal.

You are doing gearchecks?

I guess, that’s the last thing Guild wars 2 needs after already over 2 years.

Even the best warrior in game Rôm from TCG has a lot of trouble against med guards. So I don’t think you have that good opportunities against them

Crystal Reid.2481:

moiraine.2753:

Chris,

I want to ask you something.Will Defiance be redesigned?Is there any plan for it at all?Because right now it is removing the need of any CC in the fights.If raids come will interrupts,stuns,fear become an actual mechanic?Will they be more useful from now?

All I can say on this is we have been talking about it internally and trying to come up with different solutions that make CC valuable without allowing players to “stun lock” creatures

A simple solution for example would be a boss who gets a very strong active heal you have to interrupt. During the animation he gets 5 stacks and stability. So on the one hand, you have to take down the 5 stacks, on the other hand you have to remove stability to interrupt this heal. If you miss it the boss will get immediately full hp.

It’s a poor example but there are so pretty much ways to make CC important and to improve the coordination which should be needed for successful teamplay.

Furthermore, you should really introduce challenging bosses which reward good players.
Guild wars 2 has a unique combat-system with the possibility to avoid damage. Therefore, you’ll need bosses that can hurt you pretty much, if you won’t make use of this special ability.

Does anybody care about what this guy is talking about?

nope.

The last thing we need is content in “open world-style”. We already have enough of those kind of content.
My whole guild is looking forward to raids, which are instantiated and challanging

Med Guard.
Doesn’t matter how hard you suck,meds will fix it and punish your oppenent as twice hard as he does.
Atm theres no class around which has so easy acces to burst ( 2 bottons while 1 is an instaport lol) and has got insane survivability,though.
Even Warrior requires more skill

DD-celestial ele
But I guess, it’s more the celestialamu than the elementalist itself.

Gamgee.8612:

Black Teagan.9215:

Warriors shall be weak vs all other classes?

Hard to believe if I see so many warriors who can easily dominate 3 players at once.

Lmao. Warr is probably the worst class for outnumbered fights. I know one warrior that can for real kill good players outnumbered and that’s RÔM[TCG] he soloed 3 people in the PvP world cup in china. Then he’s probably the best warr in gw2 but it is possible. But there’s just a handful who can do it for real against real players. Scrubs in WvW doesn’t count.

Enough said

1.Take away your Greatsword
2. take away the axe
3. play a PvP build
fixed

A nerf wouldn’t change anything
It’s still the same boring content which less and less people are interested in.
If you want to motivate people to accede we need new and interesting content like raids with a group of 10-15 man. Otherwise you’ll play the same kitten probably 10-30 or even less people care about.

Compare a dps guard with mediations to a dps warrior with shoutheal.

Bullcharge should work as intended and shouldn’t get influence by aegis and blinds.
Probably than it’s still not viable but nice in a GS-troll build.

I know,too.
Use it in PvE and use it nowhere elese.
But keep the russian water up

actually you need 3 stances but it’s ok if you want to play with physical skills

Miku Lawrence.6329:

I think nobody even cares anymore at that points, pretty sad

I guess that’s the reason less and less guilds accede because less and less people care about it. Unsurprisingly after more than 2 years…
Half of my guild, me included , didn’t enter a single dungeon for a few weeks.
When we even log in we mainly play tpvp now which is much more fun for us atm.
But as I said, who is that surprised that the fun is gone after more than 2 years.

Monk / Necro

For PvP the best Idea is to switch out either the Greatsword or the hammer for Longbow.
Take healing signet and your build doesn’t look that weak anymore.

Actually I just hope it’ll never happen
Imagin how anet would handle the underworld.
Aatxe who are simliar to them of the qeensdale, no payment for entry , 10 waypoints – die as often as you want, you can reflect every single attack of dhuum, quests are off because more causal….
It would be an offense to the lovly gw1 content…

Tbh, I’ve got actually no idea what you are even talking about.
Cheesmode played dual hambow, TCG played guard/hambow/mesmer/thief comp,apex prime plays with a shout warrior…
so what?