Guild Wars 2

even dodge counting doesn’t make bad builds viable. the only risk you take, is the risk to play against people who aren’t to dumb to outplay a berserk warrior with frenzy,rampage and defiant stance.
if you want to play risky berserk builds , go shatter mes, thief, fresh air ele or offguard, your teammates will thank you.

that won’t be enough to make physical skills viable at all. as a warrior you have a certain task and role in the competive area and there is no room for a bullcharge / bolas greatsword warrior.
I can promise you that those physical utilities won’t be viable if you don’t give them a usefull sideeffect like condition remove.

Ark.9586:

Your setup is just… cringe…

In parties this is the best phalanx strength setup assuming you’re using the new food that gives +20% boon duration and might on crit:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fJEQNAR3ZjMd03ZtHefwJaAmg6aEEA6qi0rQME8A-TxRBABUcQAua/R5He6eq4CAAwTAgS1fMTJIA-e

If you aren’t using the new food then strength runes + truffle steak would be better, and if your party already is maintaining capped vuln on bosses then you can swap frailty to accuracy/night or whatever you please.

This is defently not the best phalanx build for PuG groups, though. I know the changes from strength rune to sholar rune while using the boon duration bufffood, because I have asked Nike something similar few weeks ago.
But I would never recommend this for PuG groups. Even in well organized groups it’s pretty hard to keep up 25 stacks of might all the time. One little mistake from you or your elementalist and the might will drop completly. So especally for PuG groups strenght runes are very important.

to make physical skills viable you would need a trait which is similar to rangers survival of the fittes. it could replace the useless strengths grandmaster trait.
otherwise you will get shrekt with physical skills, though.

the comparison makes pretty much sense. there are 8 classes and the people are comparing warrior only with the best class, ignoring that there are 6 more classes.
and because warrior is so much weaker than the elementalist warrior has to suck ofc.
doesn’t matter if there are more than one elementalist,allthough bill gates is only one person lol, you just didn’t get the point.

if you only compare yourself with sth. which is better than you, you will see only deficits.
not to mention that you won’t have a good eye for your strenghts.

funny that people always have to compare the warrior with the elementalist.
it’s like comparing a rich man with bill gates, saying then the rich man is poor.
compare the warrior with engi, ranger,mesmer,necro and guardian and finally things look less dramatic.

it’s not simple like that. if you play a berserk warrior you have a certain role and task.
with axe / mace you have literally 0 mobility, neither you can engange important targets nor you can disengage fast enough. not to mention that a burst class has to roam between points, maybe on legacy it works but on kyhlo you are probably more walking than actually doing sth.
I give preference to every mesmer, thief, fresh air ele and power ranger than to an axe mace burst warrior. those classes are just 10 times better in a burst role than a warrior, who got no ports / blinks, no mobility an no opportunity to engange / disengage at all.

ofc is greatsword stronger. there is a reason why rom and tarcis play sometimes with greatsword and never with axe mace.

and it doesn’t matter whether you are are good or not. if you play bad builds you will get outplayed easily. in EU even a 900+ random who is able to play at least a bit would outplay you.
It’s funny that you always claim, other people would fail at theorycrafting allthough you are playing kittenty builds on yourself. playing non meta builds doesn’t make you good, viable or anything.
ofc I don’t want to say you are a bad player but your builds defintely aren’t. you would be probably 10 times better if you wouldn’t play always selfmade builds

100 gold this will not be meta in 2 months anywhere, wanna bet?

Purple Miku.7032:

There’s a profound difference between being top tier and bottom tier when it comes to DPS.

And there is also a difference between “bottom tier” and the warrior’s position.
There are 8 different classes and warrior is at position 5, meaning mesmer, guardian and necromancer are behind. If you consider solo play ranger is also behind and probably engineer as well.
That’s far away from beeing bottom tier with reference to dps.

At the moment I’m not really happy with the warrior’s spot, either but it seems you tend to see some things a bit too dramatic.

Depends on which lvl you play pvp and which players you fight

no fear me + killshot

2/10

Well, I played teamq with people and against people where you can be pretty sure that they don’t use any kitten like that, just saying ^^

And how do you explain that in teamq both teams crash at the same time? Further my friend was “offline” and got 3 crashes , though
Not to mention that a lot of people got also crashes doing their general daily runs with guildies 5/5 so I doubt that there was also an evil person who whispered them for no reason.

I know a lot of people who got crashes as well and none of them is a streamer so I think it’s sth different then

This has nothing to do with fractals or mai trin.

Today we were selling arah p4 and we had 6 crashes in a row.
Later we qued in tpvp and our whole team crashed serveral times during those matches.
I also watched xerrex stream and his team dced 10 times as well.

tom.7468:

I don’t know why people say warriors are good in pvp even my so called noob pew pew ranger can kill them in duels their useless.
That is players with champ legionaire and hambow supposedly meta build.

Right , that’s probably the reason why a lot of top teams play still with warrior….

Making bad builds….
you run frenzy , defiant stance , rifle without fast hands and then you complain about bad builds. are you serious m8?
Even a rank 500 pug in EU would outplay you…
Before you promote yourself and claim yourself to be good you atcually should achive at least sth.
I know pvp scene in NA is sad atm but I think we’re all excited to see you in ESL next sunday.

Warrior is viable in PvP that’s right but your builds aren’t. And those people who complain about the warrior are mostly reffering to PvE, so stating that the warrior is viable in PvP helps nobody here.

You are right some cryhards on the forums overact and make believe of that the warrior would be completly trash, allthough they’re part of the meta in every gamemode… but pls don’t overact on yourself now.
Calm down and get a cup

Well done guys, allthough I was pretty sure you wouldn’t give up your engineer

xDudisx.5914:

Simon.3794:

xDudisx.5914:

I dont see where you want to get with this. If the class is viable and it is working as intended then what is the point of changing what is working just fine? Make a new OP class?

The class is simple by nature. If you don’t like you can go play engineer…

No, you think signets are designed by nature to be completely not used at all and passive?
you think shouts and banners are all just designed to be off CD spam and bundle skill to be so meh?
physical skills are skills that does not work on boss because CC with high CD and no damage. no actual uses-ability at all

these are just completely bad design and should be fixed.
either bad design or they just want to make the already not so existing warrior to play with 13 skills instead of 17

sucking can mean multiple things. boring, bad, underpowered, simple, uninteresting, lame, not bad kitten .

The signets are that way not just for warrior but for all the classes. Take a look at pve thief.

CC from physical is almost useless due to Defience stacks that is a boss/dungeon mechanic problem, not a warrior problem. All classes trying hard to CC will face the same problem.

Shouts and stances are not off-cooldown spam as you claim.

Among the warrior’s skills I think that the only ones that really in need of rework are the banners.

I’m pretty sure that in this case sucking was referring to not been viable to play. Anyway maybe we should create one topic with ideas for possible changes in banners or the boss defience stacks.

Give up mate, there is no point in arguing with this guy.
If you bring up some valid points like you did – for example that shouts, stances and physical skills aren’t only passive gameplay he’ll tell you that you aren’t able to read and to understand. Then he’ll complain about your english, allthough his own english is terrible,too.

Just give up

Neither your second acc nor zoose makes you top tier
And Yes I joined a PvE SC guild after I gave up PvP because my Team has quitted Gw2.
Fact of the matter is that this answer

Some of the posts in this thread..wow. Warriors have not been in a “bad spot” since beta. Go play a class that gets nerfed every patch then see how “balanced” warriors are.

Simon.3794:

You mean like thief? who has being in a good spot since forever in all three mode?
or elementalist who has been god tier pvp and pve for ages? while maintaining fun factors?

cool story bro.

is pretty thoughtless because elementalist was unviable for 20-24 months and that’s far away from beeing god tier / op what ever “for ages”
This statement is just unconsidered and wrong and there is not much room to discuss about this.

cheers

Simon.3794:

…..

You know that I checked your teamq rank before the lb reset and it’s still possible to do on sites like millenium. You know this, right?

And Boon Sheva was a member of Read it Backwards [Boon]. Actually you should know this, if you have ever been interested in tpvp.
Maybe I also should give you some article about irony as well, mate.

I can also check your forum history. Not all that long ago you were discussing about Greatsword roaming builds -> top 100 indeed….
What’s your team name btw?
But pls write me ingame or pin me. I guess nobody is interested in our discussion. and it’s oftopic.
Now I’m online btw feel free to pin me

As I said Simon, people who never have played tpvp on a serious note shouldnt discuss about topics like this. And yes boon sheva was obv a WvW hero.
Funny btw that especally you are calling people wvw heroes, allthough you have been present in every single thread about wvw topics.
Where have you genious been before the leaderboard reset? oO

However maybe you should even start to teamq before you are reffering to it.
Sorry, for beeing german. It’s arcana not archana, shame on me.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Arcana

Cheers

hybrid.5027:

Warrior was fairly garbage in pvp until Cleansing Ire and Berserkers Stance were made into OP anti-condi. Since then warriors have been nerfed in every way EXCEPT the two things that made them OP in the first place.

Anet 1: Buff Berserkers Power and Cleansing Ire and strength runes
Anet 2: Hmmm looks like hammer/longbow warriors are too OP now!
Anet 3: Clearly the solution here… is to nerf Hundred Blades.

…

That’s anet.
They never have and probably never will strike at the roots of problems

Sad fact but true

l2r
Celestial amulete in pvp became crap after the nerf and the archana changes.
At a short notice people played with valkyre and after a while people realized that there are better options. The ele dropped out of meta completly.
-> ele were crap for about 8 months up to the celestial /might buff.

During this time Sheva asked me to play for Boon and he was the only one who still played ele in top tier.
Btw. This time was the raise of the warrior and duable hambow has become popular

However, I see no point in arguing about this topic with sb who never has played tpvp on a serious note.
Not to mention that this is offtopic.

So wish you good luck with complaining bb

Of course they did and after the nerf we all realized that valkyre is crap with the archana changes.
As I said dont argue about pvp with me pls and especally not about a time I played Pvp very activ on myself

m8, don’t try to inform me about pvp meta pls.
And now think about why they became unviable…. >>>>celestial<<<<…
;)

Nobody played elementalist in top tier pvp before the celestial / might buff , just saying.

But with thiefs you’re right. Everyone complains about previous thief nerfs, allthough they’re still part of the meta in all 3 game modes.

They are bad in tpvp and this is the only competive mode atm.
So actually nobody cares about P/D and PU – 1v1 – heroes

Simon.3794:

dominik.9721:

So spotter + spirit from Ranger or vulnerability from engineer is so much more exciting than banners?

Did you even read, as long as they have other interesting skills, i wouldn’t even care if they are viable or not. I wouldn’t even care if it’s banner the only thing that makes warrior banner, if we have other skills.

Engineer have so many more stuff to do, while vulnerability stacking like completely background done passively. like i wouldn’t even care if engi can’t stack vulnerability, because i do just do so much things and carry bad teamates with those.

Ranger is probably the only class that can compete with warrior in terms of bad game play but still more interesting then warrior in terms of mechanics and utilities.

Saying you don’t even care about 100 times doesn’t enhance anything.

You are arguing that the warrior sucks because his key strenght depends on 2 little utilities.
You state that all the other skills like shouts or physical skills are to neglect because they don’t matter in PvE and don’t have any impact or use there.
Further, you consider banners boring and brainless.

I told you that classes like rangers, engineers or mesmers are exactly in the same position because they actually have also only 2 skill that make them viable.

Now you are telling me that this arguement is invalid because they have more options. Well , ye they have… but at the same way all the other warrior’s abilities have no use in PvE, all the other abilities from Mesmer / Ranger have no use as well.
If you neglect all skill selection options from the warrior you have also to do the same
with reference to other classes.

Not to mention, that the last patch had absolutly no impact on the gameplay,design or whatever.
So after more over 2 years it seems a bit late to complain about the design of the warrior. If you have noticed that you don’t like it you should take quitting warrior into consideration.

And I pretty much don’t care that you even don’t care

Thats the reason why you dont Use greatsword in pvp and why you dont use bullcharge or bolas. Those skills suck against Amy decent Players anyway.

But fact of the matter is that it would also suck even if you would deal 30k with it. Greatsword and bullcharge might be good to Beat wvw heroes but nothing else.

So spotter + spirit from Ranger or vulnerability from engineer is so much more exciting than banners?

Simon.3794:

Amiron.1067:

Need I remind any of the hardcore players here that if you’re truly hardcore, you’d know that DPS matters far less than what team buffs a profession brings to the table. Necros, some of the lowest sustained DPS right now, would instantly replace Warriors should they gain the ability to use banners, even if their DPS was lower.

If you want to keep staring at outright DPS, by all means, you’re correct.

Kitten banner man, banner is the dumbest, most boring skill i’ve ever seen.
Like seriously, what the hell does it bring to the game play.
And we have to rely on this to remain viable? what?

Exactly, you are only viable because of those 2 little utilites.
At the same way a ranger is only viable because of Spotter and Spirit, a guardian because of stability and WoR and a Mesmer because of portal and feedback.

I prefer a warrior who is dps wise a bit below the average but part of the meta, though because of his support ablities. I don’t like beeing a dps king who drops out of meta because he is not needed in groups.

That banners are designed poorly and don’t bring anything to the gameplay experience is a completly different topic.
This would be a topic about warrior design and not whether the warrior sucks or not.

In PvP warrior was completly fine and is still fine

Ofc. Otherwise you wouldn’t lose against hammer / axe
warrior played properly, though.

Deano.5047:

Mesmers simply do not have much of a chance against a decent warrior if they aren’t running condi pu. .

Not really that’s simply a l2p issue.
I know a lot of good warrs and mesmers and it’s simple as that : If you don’t fight on node shatter mesmer wins over the long term. And I’m not reffering to hotjoin nonames or wvw heroes.
There are a lot of really, really good warriors who all have problems with shatter mesmers in 1v1, allthough they are much more skilled than the mesmer is.
If you fail every pindown and still complain about heal sig … then… well… yes…
then your statement is true… but..

If you don’t fight on point I insure you that a Shatter Mesmer will win every fight, especally if the warrior plays a kittenty GS build.
It’s a safe bet that the warrior loses against an equally skilled Mesmer.
If you have to stay on a node and fight on point the result will change of course.

Yes ,hopefully they increase Greatsword dmg by 35% and remove the banners in return that the warrior drops out of meta finally.

But Hey, the main thing is we can see big dps numbers and have better things to offer than kittenty banners.

Seriously I really get tired of comments like " We’ve got only banners which make us special and compared to ele or thief dps our dmg sucks"

Well compared to thief and ele dps every other classes suck as well.
And yes it’s true the banner-kitten and a PS-warrior is the only reason to take a warrior in a group.
But again… this isn’t a warrior problem. You bring every class for one special reason.
A Mesmer for his portal, a ranger for his spirit and an engineer for vulnerability.

You guys should really stop to compare your class only with thiefs and elementalists. There are also 5 more classes.

Yes, I changed my opinion and I also think that the warrior deserves a dps buff but the arguments and complains you give are ridiculus, though.

dominik.9721:

Before the patch the warrior had 2 unique selling propositions and key strenghts.
1. His great offensive support which none else can achieve in this range
2. Beeing proficient in buffing himself

Well …Buffing yourself becomes less important if buffs get nerfed
So I guess, this nerf has a more negative effect on the warrior than on other classes

Read again

And in PvP greatsword would still suck. So buffing greatsword traits for PvP is pretty useless. Even if you would have 25 stacks might all the time it won’t be viable because warrior is a bad roamer and even a worse burst class.

Playing shoutbow or hambow is already easy, another 2s on FG wont break anything there.

The reason to buff the warrior in particular is that his dps is simply inferior compared to many other classes.
Before the patch the warrior had 2 unique selling propositions and key strenghts.
1. His great offensive support which none else can achieve in this range
2. Beeing proficient in buffing himself

Well …Buffing yourself becomes less important if buffs get nerfed
So I guess, this nerf has a more negative effect on the warrior than on other classes

hybrid.5027:

I’ve said that they should eliminate the Spear functionality and replace it with a 5% DPS boost. That would make up for the ridiculous nerfs to 100b and WWA. The trait isn’t used in PvP so the nerf made no sense then and less sense now.

The 5% dmg boost is a good suggestion and justified after the might nerf, allthough I give preference to sth. like attack-speed increased by ~~~ while using greatsword. This would be just awesome with the fixed rush skill but probably I’m just dreaming atm.

But there is no reason to remove the Spear bonus, though. This would just destroy PS warr for underwater combat

I stoped watching during the second fight.

First fight you got hit by treb and used a portal as mesmer to engage
second fight you went on spamming pewpew autoattack,allthough reflect is on

no offense, these things happen but why do you ulpoad this?

PvP made builds for WvW again

blonde hair, short skirt, eternity, the title dungeonmaster and you will be a PvE hero, everyone remembers

Banners are in both builds included.
So actually nobody was discussing about banners

l2r

I explained it now serveral times. people run 2 staff elementalists and with this comp a PS warr is essential.

Nobody said, that you don’t take a PS warriors for might.
But you said that a PS warrior only has his use in PuGgroups and this isn’t true.
Nearly every speedrungroup are playing with a PS warr.

If you are reffering to well organized groups vulnerability is not a problem, so the only reason for using axe 5 is…well there is no reason.
Empowered Allies isn’t worth to keep. The additionally dps your party will gain doesn’t compensate your personal dps lost.
EA is worth to take in a Phalanx build because you have to invest in tactics anyway.
Therefore, we also don’t have to discuss whether it’s worse to take the bannertrait or the boontrait.
The answer is you don’t play with 4p in tactic.

Further, greatsword dps builds become in practice even stronger.
You always have little timelags between mightstack rotations, so greatsword will lead to 25 stacks all the time.
Not to mention how powerfull a greatsword 3 can be if it is used against a wall.

Good warriors were already using as many banners as they had to. The old dps ego warrior builds (6/6/0/2/0 and 6/5/0/0/3) are out of date for elitism play now. Next there will be less and less phalanx builds and pure axe will dominate with the support of phalanx and slightly less damage than ego war. I tell you now 4/6/0/4/0 will be the future of warriors in pve.

Yes and your thoughts are strange and partially proofed wrong

Meta builds won’t change and Phalanx build is used in speedrungroups and not only for Puggroups.

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