Guild Wars 2

no cleaning irse, no stab, no mobility with a semi zerk amu this can’t work well

hambow is imo worse than before anyway. firstly ,hambow doesn’t really profit from the changes like other builds and secondly, because of the buffs of other classes hambow just seems worse than before. same with shoutbow…. hambow and shoutbow feels much worse now because of the huge buffs other classes have gotten.

don’t know why people complain about raw dmg.
atm everyone throws massive condis randomly ,even on power builds.

so fun this patch

I crit people for 9k with rampage I can’t complain

You are limited to your builds. This applies for pvp and for pve.
neither you can take and hold records in pve with weird builds and soldier gear nor you can win important tournements in pvp if you run crappy non meta builds.

I have never said that builds are the most important thing you need and teamwork would be unnecessary. But the current discussion was about builds.
so your comment is pretty useless

I’m necro and I find this offensive

Right. But you are the person who flames the esport scene in gw2 allthough you never have been part of it nor you ever will be. And that makes you look pretty salty and Not better than plebs hating the pve scene

enough said.

maha.7902:

I always love the discussion between PvP randoms claiming pve so ez allthough they even didn’t finish a single arah run and salty Pve players jealous about not beeing esport knowing there are maybe better players around in a mode they can’t compete with

ahahahahahaha “jealous”

the pvp in this game is just terribad, puke-quality content. the fact that it’s so bad and draws such pathetic numbers of people to watch its tournaments is why I refer to it as a pretend esport when you have random boob cam streamers on games likes CS/hearth stone/league who have more views than official gw2 “esport” tournaments, LOL. anet never balance their game with any sort of regularity and mismanage their game modes and legitimately think they can make an esport out of it, oh man.

Nice to see, you feel concerned.
The fact that you always have to hate/flame this scene shows how mad and jealous you are about those people who achived sth you couldn’t achieve.
Not to mention, that it makes you look like as dumb as those who hate the PvE scene.
Your comments aren’t much better than those from lighter and are probably the reason some people can’t take this serious.
You can shake hands with him.

hello my frands me have 40:60 win ratio in esports mode cofp1 need helpp

actually this discussion is easy to solve.
The goal in PvE-content is to finish the content, which you can reach with every gear / build you want
The goal in PvP is to win the game, where your chances to win are directly connected with your build.

if you consider tpvp esports macthes and pve records you have to run meta builds in both parts to be successful.

I always love the discussion between PvP randoms claiming pve so ez allthough they even didn’t finish a single arah run and salty Pve players jealous about not beeing esport knowing there are maybe better players around in a mode they can’t compete with

shake hands my frands and take a brinch of salt throw it in each others eyes

Blackjack.5621:

I´m just tired of dealing with pasive procs, like you run up to an engi with 3 stacks intelligence, doom, leeching and his first hit passively deals 6sec burn, 6 sec poison, crits you 100% and leeches 1k hp.

100% agree
it’s so annyoing seeing engis even if they’re actually bad, beeing so succesesfull because of those sigills

just make it sure that you always can just take one swap sigill and one of fire/air/blood , remove vamp rune and we are getting a good step forward

maha.7902:

Besides the part where you make it blatantly obvious that you have a burning urge to reference the e$port game mode.

well let me save you the time, mesmers aren’t overpowered there either. or WvW.

and nobody here in this subforum cares about helseth or sizer or whoever the randoms are who play pretend e$ports are.

That’s a good one. You can taste the salt out of his sentences.Salty bc the “randoms” achieved sth he couldn’t achive :<

@b2topic:

Mesmer -Portal
Ranger – Spirit
Engi – nadekit
Warrior – discibanner
Guard – WoR
Nec – Wells (huge burst)
Ele – Icebow / staff itself

the warrior changes look for me just insane and a bit over the top tbh. Just a quick think about the old interrupt mace sword lb build with bruning on lb aa, weakness and 3 bleeds on dazes and 5 might + 4 confusion on interrupts…holy kitten
10k+ rampage hits enough said and the signet trait to finish guards and engis is awesome as well

So now you guys are both famous. Alköre for beeing part in the top tier competive PvP scene and Hoax for xDing bs in the forums and thinking Berserk hambow is superior because he probably even didn’t find out that sth. called intelligence sigill exists.
But I think we can stop this discussion at this point – roaming with berserk hambow in wvw – enough said.

Yes how Do you know? Shoutbow for example has some Problems against cele rifle engis if the slickshoes Hit you unlucky

Hidden Dragon.7523:

dominik.9721:

MrKrataus at least played competive pvp at a high lvl in a top tier pvp team and won serveral go4s. I’m not sure if you know that but the difference between players who participate there and wvw roamers / 1v1 spvp heroes is like day and night.
He proofed many times that he’s impressive in 1on1 and 2v1 situations even against very skilled players you didn’t have faced and probably never will face.Also I’m pretty sure that he is able to handle a berserk hambow or any other forum hero, as well. But I can understand that he is not interested to waste his time.

You don’t know for fact any of the things you say about other players here. Also, seeing that you had to edit your post makes you look uncertain about things you might have posted. Don’t judge what you don’t know and you might experience more things than you could imagine.

Have a lovely evening, Mr Forum Hero I lick boots.

Since I already have played against EVERY of those players SERVERAL times I’m pretty confident about what I’ve said. The reason why I edited is because I added something – so actually I did exactly sth. for what the EDIT is.

I just think it’s funny that nonames go into the forums and call out top players for not doing 1v1s, allthough they already achived more in the game than you ever will.
You even don’t know the background from Alköre. He was active in WvW roaming on himself and knows what kind of players he can find there and this let your comment just look even more garbage.

I edited, makes me look unsure and not confident, mom help me

MrKrataus at least played competive pvp at a high lvl in a top tier pvp team and won serveral go4s. I’m not sure if you know that but the difference between players who participate there and wvw roamers / 1v1 spvp heroes is like day and night.
He proofed many times that he’s impressive in 1on1 and 2v1 situations even against very skilled players you didn’t have faced and probably never will face.Also I’m pretty sure that he is able to handle a berserk hambow or any other forum hero, as well. But I can understand that he is not interested to waste his time.

The Elite banner is not the only reason to pick a warrior. The possibility to heal your allies in a 1200 range is actually the reason. It is so much superior to an elementalist and an engineer because in that case you have to stay melee. 1200 range heal is a huge advantage and insanely strong if you play with a necromancer or mesmer setup.
Shoutbow warrior also provides a lot of immobilize which is super important in teamfights. There is a reason why for example abjured stopped to play with 2 eles and exchanged them with a Shoutbow.
It just seems that the most people who play shoutbow have actually no idea why.

me push far

1. Necro Prince Vingador
2. Engi Turretsaurus Rekt
3. Ranger Sputti
4. Guard Yy JENOV Yy
5. Nobody

Yes because pet necromancers, spirit rangers, phantasm mesmers and spirit weapon-guardians with pirate rune are all part of the meta.

Did Leon clickered?

:<

It always depends. if you have the opportunity to LoS, warrior is pretty good to 1v2 people.

If you want to be the 0815 PvE-Warrior, take blonde female human with a short skirt,build eternity and get your dungenmaster/dungeoneer.

Then you’ve played through Gw2

If you want to be kitten,take charr

Do you guys told your one mate that keybinds are usefull?
Even in PvE it helps a lot,some people say.

congratulations, though nice tactic

Dagger would be the coolest weapon, shortbow would be also fun but I’m pretty sure that we get pistol offhand because Rytlock used one as well.
Torch would be boring because longbow covers this weapon atm.

Does this guy really complain about the way to get his CoF-armor?

Jerus.4350:

clarkcd.6532:

You could always PvP to add to your total from doing the paths to speed things up.

Will PVP get your runes? or isn’t it just gear? Guess it could be salvaged for the runes?

You can also drop single runes out of the chests but you will get 180 tokens each dungeon path, anyway

What are you actually talking about? It is exactly the contrary.
Hambow is pretty useless in 1v1 especally offpoint and Shoutbow is probably the best 1v1 build you can go for as a warrior. I guess, once Rom said that you should win most of your 1v1s with shoutbow.

maha.7902:

the people saying warriors are terrible are just drama queens, they’re pretty fine for all game modes.

^
This.

Warriors are used in a lot of top pvp teams as well in EU as in NA.
They are part of nearly every PvE-Record run. I think arah p2 is even without the so much hated and boring PS-Trait.
Their personal DPS is still ahead of necromancers,mesmers,guardians and pretty equal to rangers, allthough they offer better buffs.

All I read are the same dramaqueens over and over again.They either complain about not beeing viable in PvP because they want to play their weird Greatsword-WvW-builds or they complain about that they’re not able to reach 60k+ 100b at magecrusher anymore and the godlike elementalist would be so much better. Anyway, because the warrior had better daaamaaatsssch one year ago, ofc he has to be bad now. I mean engi,thief and ele are ahead, thats ofc dramatic.

weird logic.

turret-engi

I’ll bet
25 gold for me if DnT doesn’t win
125 gold for you and some kicks in the as for the other teams if DnT wins

tbh, I think and hope DnT will win but I’m bored. And I don’t like some of the other teams.

At the moment the possibility to heal from shoutwarriors, engis, elementalists, etc. are inefficacious for the necromancer when he is in deathshroud.
I don’t think any class should have a disadvantage to make use of his special ability.
Further, I think necromancer is hard enough to play ,especally for the team which has to take care of the necromancer a lot.

Therefore, I suggest that the healthpool of the necromancer should be affected by waterfields / shouts etc. even when he’s in deathshroud.
Sorry for the weird english. I hope it’s understandable, though.

/discuss

I already have explained the advantages of the warrior and ROM is playing shoutbow with SoR or Rampage very often.

the topic was never about whether the warrior will remain in the meta when the addon comes out in the future.
the discussion was about your statement that a warrior is so much worse than an elementalist and warbanner is the only thing why he’s part of top teams.
And that’s just rubbish. Sometimes the warriors from the top teams don’t even play with warbanner.

Saying that you only take a warrior over an ele because of his warbanner is a wrong statement,though and just proofes that you didn’t understand the strengths of the shoutbow warrior. With pindown and flurry which is an immobilize on a low cd, he is able to prepare a lot of spikes. Knockdown and immobilize from the elementalist is far away from beeing that good and has also longer cooldowns.
Further, as I mentioned before another BIG advantage of the warrior is that his support even works on range. This is a huge benefit if you have to protect your necromancer / thief / mesmer.

Dont know I rather trust phantaram who is the best elementalist in game than sb I have met randomly in the forums
If he is said that warrior is atm better than ele, you van be pretty sure that its true.

Scoobaniec.9561:

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No you don’t take warrior over ele only because of his warbanner.You are just repeating what you’ve heard once in the forums. The big advantage of the warrior in comparison to the ele is that the warrior doesn’t have to stand melee for his healing support.

That’s also probably the reason why phanataram said in his stream few days ago , he doubts that the ele will stay top tier.

You don’t use this trait as shoutbow.

perko.8309:

I put my warrior on the shelf and rerolled condi ranger and it’s WAY more powerful than warrior ever was. It’s not even close.

To exactly those people I was reffering to.
Thank you for this perfect example.

Neither condi ranger has any use in PvE nor he is used / viable in top pvp teams.
In contrast to that warrior is used in a lot of PvE records and is also part of top pvp teams.
But obv. condi ranger is more powerfull.

Delete your warrior, leave the warrior forum and never come back.

I was actually reffering to those people who are still dreaming about the old frenzy + bullcharge warrior with greatsword / hammer in pvp,crying about that they aren’t viable and have to run shoutbow instead of their lovely wvw build.
Since you never have taken any step in competive pvp and probably you never will, the statement doesn’t apply for you.
The world doesn’t revolve only around you, so you don’t have to feel adreesed all the time.
With references to PvE-Speedclearing we just have different opinions about the current state of the warrior and I still think you just tend to see things too dramatic, but think whatever you want to think. I guess we already have exchanged our point of view, so no need to discuss about that in the further time again.To try to answer your question, I’ve to admit that I’m not able to give a clear answer.There are a lot of great warriors in PvP who just suck in PvE as well as there a plenty of warriors in PvE who are terrybad in PvP. So it always depends on the perception.
But I never claimed you are bad.

Vizardlorde.8243:

Not even the necros in the necro formus whine as much as the people here and they have valid reasons to complain about pve.

Summed up pretty well, by the way

I’m proud you are able to read and don’t have to read it twice.

propz!

Probably, Rytlock saw the bunch of bad people complaining about the warrior,allthough the warrior is part of the meta in top pvp teams and speedclearing.
After reading those tears ,he was so ashamed that he quit.

He’s just mad that Greatsword warrior with berserker stats isn’t optimal in PvP
:<

are you reffering to axe warriors with frenzy, rampage and defiant stance?

Zelyhn Lekovitch.2867:

….

^
That’s the main difference between PvE and PvP.
Once you know the strat to face an encounter in PvE it isn’t really “challenging” anymore , the success then is just depending on how much effort and tries you put in. Let’s be honest, for example even the slowest skillclicker will defeat lupicus solo if he deals with him often enough. The “real” challenge was to find out how to do it.
That’s also the reason why I was kittening impressed by weths first lupicus solo and didn’t really care about any further “sub 6”, " sub 5". Everyone who spents enough time and effort is able to compete with the elite in this area.

On the other hand, in PvP you can spend 3-4 years and it’s probable that you won’t reach top tier lvl, though.
The big difference is that your oppenents always act differently it requires much more things than simply repeat what you’ve learned to be successfull. Even the right keybinds and the camera work suddenly becomes very important. For example I know many skillclickers ( my brother was one of them) who are part of different PvE elite guilds – just imagine those people in PvP.

So if you want to get challenging PvE content you would need advanced and intelligent content that changes – that is unpredictable. Content that takes A LONG TIME to find out the right way to be even successfull.

Otherwise you would just stay with content in which the succsess is depending on how much you try.

Don’t ever use stab against necromancers

Jebro : “indeed”

shout warrior, medi guard, thief, rifle engi, dagger dagger ele

nicknamenick.2437:

Simon.3794:

ROM is the tactician and the leader, so good.

he leads the team so good like a real warrior.

Sure, aint saying ROM is bad or the build is bad..

But a real warrior doesnt shout and blow some horns..
Sure for support its a real warrior but the real DPS warrior is completely gone.

A “real DPS warrior” has never been part of any high lvl PvP, so far I know.
So he isn’t completly gone, he just never has existed there.

@Nick
Sorry mate but sb. who is always talking about greatsword, burst warrior and physical utilities isn’t in the position to ask " do you even pvp"

Further it seems you didn’t really get what’s the key strength of the shoutwarrior. It’s not only the support he offers, he offers also a lot of immobilize which is super important when you focus targets.
Just rewatch the opening on legacy from oRNG , killing 5G immediatly – ROMs fear me and his immobilize were significant for tages and fraes burst.
Btw warriors always have been in a “supporter” – and “assist” – role, he never has been good in bursting, not even in 2012 with frenzy and 100b, people just didn’t know it back then.

but but but… the elementalist has dodged twice !