You don’t need to participate in Weeklies to understand this. Even an average player should realize that ele is broken and carrying atm. and that oRNGs comp is in a huge disadvantage if you face duable ele comps.
Thing is you don’t need more than 1 player to hold a point against a bunkerguard while orange often need two people to deal with an ele because of their warrior/guard/thief comp. Only two people from orange can handle an ele 1v1 ,while everyone from abjured can deal with a bunkerguard and Denshee’s ele.
But it seems there are even more things you don’t understand.
So it’s pretty pointless to discuss with people who seem to have a poor pvp awareness.
Answer is ele.
If you need two people at a minimum to defeat an ele it’s pretty easy to get a decap.
Further Frae did a great job ye but he’s able to hold the 1v1 only for a min though. So you basically always need 2 people to not lose the point when ROM/Frae capped the point. BTW. Frae never killed Phanta 1v1, it was Sindrener who engaded – so it was 2v1.
With only two players beeing able to handle a 1v1 while one of them is a slow bunkerguard, oRNG is in a huge disadvantage if you face abjureds comp.
Abjured has two eles while oRNG has 1 warrior main and 2 guard mains. Thing is warrior got disabled last patch while ele got op as hell.
It’s possible Abjured would have won tho- allthough I doubt it- but those matches demonstrated pretty well how broken ele is atm.
Abjured came to play with duable ele, oRNG had two main guardians and 1 main warrior.
The balance patch turned out to favour eles and to disable warrior.
Only reason oRNG is slacking,is that their comp is just trash against Abjured. Abjured gets carried by duable ele. Just look at those 4v2 – eles still alvie after 2min – such balanced.
Abjured is the team which is favoured the most by the last balanced patch .
Either your warrior has to fight an ele or an ele has to fight a nec. They are just in a huge disadvantage if you consider the comps.
Doesn’t matter if chaith and nos are down eles will carry 3v5
Really? Because what I saw was oRNG not being able to keep up with the Abjured in the last 4 games. Their rotations weren’t that great, they kept being backcapped, while their thief didn’t bother to do so that often. They also barely cared about any of the buffs on temple. The reason why they lost is not the fact abjured had two d/d eles, but simply because they were not doing everything perfectly. On the other hand I felt so much determination from the Abjured regarldess of the class they play.
Also, so much for cheese build. From burn guard to rampage warrior and to mesmer. I win buttons won’t win you the game. I’m not in all means saying that oRNG played badly, not at all. The games were great, but they just didn’t manage to do what the Abjured did: having map dominance despite the fact they were dying and frankly they were dying quite a lot.
Also, magic toker is really the mvp.
Pretty easy to have map dominance when you need 2-3 people to kill a d/d ele.
First of all, oRNG had an ele, too. They also had a guardian, so arguments like ‘’eles too hard to kill’’ are really irrelevant. Obviously you can blame the comp rather than realizing what mistakes they did. How many times did Toker decap or backcapped them? How many times did they stop him? How many times did oRNG lose important buffs due to not being able to react to the times? How many times did they chase someone with 4 people while losing everything else on the map? This is not due teamcomp at all. I like both teams, I was rooting for the Abjured a bit more, though, but that doesn’t mean I’m going to blindly pretend no one made any mistakes. Everyone did, it happns, but abjured were just better today and they definitely deserved it.
You just don’t get it. oRNG has two classes who can deal with 1v1s. Bunkerguard and Ele, allthough bunkerguard is slow and actually wasted for a 1v1. Further ele loses every 1v1 against nec. So the rotations you complain about are pretty much impossible to do if Abjured plays on 3 nodes while every single class of them is able to 1v1. Especially if you need 2 people at a minimum to defeat an ele.
I don’t say that abjured doesn’t deserve it but it’s pretty obvious that the comp or rather the recent balance patch mainly won the games.
@aktium the reason why the couldn’t get an advantage of the playerkills is that toker decaped ,while the eles carried 5v3/4v2
Ofc their rotations weren’t great. How should that be even possible? Neither zerk warrior, nor burn guard/thief / mesmer is able to 1v1 an ele while cele nec is pretty much freewin against an ele. oRNG was compwise in a huge disadvantage and it’s a suprise that they even won 2 games. If you aren’t able to see this your pvp awareness is just bad.
oRNG won so many teamfights and had a 5v3 on the map but this doesn’t really matter if you have two eles who can carry 4v2/5v3
I won’t say abjured was bad or sth. but I’m pretty sure the matches would have been different if ele wouldn’t be that op like it is atm.
Only reason oRNG is slacking,is that their comp is just trash against Abjured. Abjured gets carried by duable ele. Just look at those 4v2 – eles still alvie after 2min – such balanced.
Abjured is the team which is favoured the most by the last balanced patch .
Either your warrior has to fight an ele or an ele has to fight a nec. They are just in a huge disadvantage if you consider the comps.
Doesn’t matter if chaith and nos are down eles will carry 3v5
That’s a pretty good analysis. Another opportunity for oRNG is to take out Chaith’s engineer with Fraes burnguardian as quick as possible. Engineer is super vulnerable to burning stacks after using the healskill. If they’re able to manage this, they can snowball abjured and they’ll have enough time to rotate with their bunkerguardian.
But the comp favours Abjured,though.
How can you consider abjurdes comp worse than oRNGs comp?
Mesmer and Ele are incredible strong now. TCG and Abjured are both able to run double ele and TCG also brings a Mesmer.oRNG on the other hand ,has two main guards and one main warrior/ranger which is defintly not optimal.
So with reference to the comp oRNG defintly is in a disadvantage imo.
Though, I’m pretty confident that oRNG can do it owing to their mentality in those tournements and ofc because of the “true hype”
Landing your holy “high casting times” is not a l2p thing, it depends whether your oppenents are playing properly or not. Also your adored stunlock warrior is relativly useless and gets outshined in comparison with mesmers and co. You can’t rotate properly because you are even slower than a nec, you have high telegraphed animations and you don’t have any single usefull instant spike like a nec/guard/thief/mesmer can set up.
And your “examples” aren’t really relevant or meaningfull in any way. I can show you videos where people are killing stuff with bolas+frenzy+bullcharge. Neither this is a proof for a build beeing good nor it’s an indicator for beeing “viable”.
You’re always defending bad builds by saying it’s a l2p issue. But it’s not a l2p issue it’s a fact that those builds get outshined by the current viable zerk classes.
I’m pretty sure it’s all about a marketing strategy. Anet people know that most of the community are playing warrior,so they make warrior buttom tear and force us to buy the expansion to get access to the specialization.
@nearlight: If you consider crysis most prominent player of zerk warriors, then rest in peperonis
warrior is out of meta team comp right now. just don’t play it guys until anet would buff war just like current mes. Mes was out of meta team comp before current patch as well/
how can you consider mesmer out of meta team comp pre patch, allthough 2 of 4 top teams played constantly with a mesmer?
I also wouldn’t consider warrior out of the meta post patch. It’s just that the patch favours the mesmer. warrior/thief/mesmer comp is pretty strong.
using pindown when his transfere is up and you don’t have berserk stance or an evade rdy is bad.
Using pindown when his heal is up is also bad. And using flurry is even worse except you need the immobilize to prepare a burst for your group. I really doubt that the necro would have disengaged without immob
You defintly should use skills on purpose
You know that 5Gauge was playing zerk engineer and that this build even loses 1v1 against thiefs?
It would be actually a shame if a cele/bunker class can’t win against this build and it doesn’t really matter if it’s 5Gauge or sb else
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You wanted to tell us how good this build is and you proofed this by"pawning" 5 Gauge.
I just replied that 5 Gauge was playing zerk engi so your “proof” is kinda invalid because zerk engi under those circumstances is pretty much bs – holding or capping the point against a zerk engi is as meaningful as holdi or capping the point against a thief.
Let’s see how you will do in outnumbered situations 2v1 against a mesmer/thief,how you will do holding a point capped against an ele and how you deal in situations where you have to rezz like a bunkerguard.
But it’s actually not needed to try out. a bunkerguard is just 10 times better than a shoutbunker-warrior in those situations and an ele is 10 times better if you want to fit the brouser role.
If my team would be in a need of a bunker I will always give the preference to a bunkerguard. And if I could choose between an ele and a shoutwarrior I would choose the ele for sure.
You know that 5Gauge was playing zerk engineer and that this build even loses 1v1 against thiefs?
It would be actually a shame if a cele/bunker class can’t win against this build and it doesn’t really matter if it’s 5Gauge or sb else
No offense but those kind of builds were already tried out by serveral players and aren’t new at all
Hambow with those traits, mace/sword interrupt build with these traits… it’s fun to play but neither you can compete with eles on nodes, nor you can fit the role as a dps roamer.
hambow is just a shadow itself and there is not a single reason to bring a hambow imo.
so because the warrior has lower dps than an ele and a thief ,warrior dps of course has to be garbage?
What about guard,ranger,engi,nec? How many guards do you invite in your group if you already have one guard? how many rangers do you invite if you already have one ranger? How many engis / necs do you see regularry in parties?
#Warrior sucks because ele and thief have better dps
Same kitten as purple miku always tried to tell us.
Guardian heal, focus 5 and aegis. Blocks to negate bursts in this meta are much more important than a big amount of heal. Not to mention that a bunkerguard has a huge access to stability which is also essentiell to avoid big bursts.
It doesn’t really matter if the builds’ intention is not to do 1v1s because YOU HAVE to 1v1 in a PvP match.If you can’t handle 1v1s your team rotations are just more complicated.
So If you aren’t playing a dps class and an engi / ele pushs on your home node you should defend it but you’re right since this build is completly crap for 1v1 against engis/eles you can’t 1v1 those classes and have to stay in the teamfights.
Problem is you are unsuitable for 1v1s because every ele will do it better.
Further, you are also unsuitable in teamfights because every bunker guard owing to his tankyness and rezz / support opportunities in this burst meta will do it better.
The only role atm a warrior can fit with is a dps-roamer as dmg warrior with rampage.
A lot of top warriors in EU already have tried shoutbow-warrior and noticed that it’s bad after the patch. There is a reason why not a single esl team is playing with a warrior who is not a dps warrior with rampage.
And a switch from celestial to settler won’t change anything.
Shoutbow is dead, deal with it.
No reason to take a shoutwarrior if you can take an ele.
Ele has better survivability in teamfights and is far superior in 1v1 situations – shoutwarrior gets rekt on point against ele / engi within less than 2min.
Shoutwarrior has become pretty useless after the last patch.
I main warrior myself,so I know how rampage works.
Fact of the matter is that bad warriors are succesful with rampage.
Also fact of the matter is that burning is completly fine. i have nor problem with burining on guardians ,necs or engis. It’s just the ele, who outsustain other classes while having so much pressure because they can stack burning that high.
Alright, you guys know the drill! How are the changes so far? Either answer these questions for me or just talk about what you feel is important to mention for Warrior.
Specific questions:
Have you tried actually using healing signet for the resistance at all?
Have you found any builds that are extremely distinct in playstyle from builds before the patch?
Have you been able to have any success with shoutbow since the patch? It’s seemed like it has been having trouble with all the burst specs going around.
1.) Healing Signet is dead. Defiant Stance is meta now. 300 healing per second will not be enough to out-sustain 10k damage within a matter of seconds at this meta.
2.) DPS Warrior is broken op. Plenty of counterplay exists but in my standards it’s just too strong atm.
3.) Shoutbow is still playable SO LONG as you have a “hyper carry” that you are supporting. The incentive becomes, focus the shoutbow or the guy who can cleave your team.
Sorry man but this time I have to disagree with you.
1)Defiant Stance never will be meta unless you fight scripted AI
2)DPS Warrior got buffed that’s true but a DPS Class without sneaky/instant burst will never be viable
—-> Just no reason to take a warrior if you can pick a guard/mes/thief
3) shoutbow is much worse than before.you will lose against every ele 1v1 on point, ele is much superior now than hambow/shoutbow
—-> no reason to take a warrior if you can pick an ele
I think with those changes warrior won’t have any place in the current meta and Blackjack former member of oRNG confirmed my thoughts.
If Rom deosn’t find a viable build when he’s back from vacation then rest in peperino warriors!
Yep noticed exactly the same. Warrior is pretty useless now. Dps builds on a warrior aren’t viable and shoutbow/hambow isn’t really playable anymore after this huge dmg increase other classes have gotten.
No reason for a medi guard if you can take a mesmer.
maybe bunker guard will become good but don’t know
If you consider mesmer as the only class who can stop " the tanky meta" you have already confirmed how over the top mesmer is. Same with other classes you just compare two extremes. Atm you nearly see no bunker because you can’t bunker dis kitten.
Mesmer is at the moment totally broken and there is not much to discuss about this.
I tried this but I still think warrior has no place in the meta anymore. Eles are much superior now and zerk warriors aren’t viable if you compare them with thief/mes/guards
if you consider the whole situation in pvp I would say warrior is worse than before.
shoutbow isn’t that efficient as before. because of the huge dps buffs other classes have gotten, you have on the one hand problems to hold a 2v1 and on the other hand it’s nearly impossible to support your team enough to outheal / cleanse conditions.
Same with hambow.
What we got is a buff of gs-zerk-warrior but I really doubt that this will be viable.
A zerk class without sneaky / instant bursts isn’t really worth if you compare it with a mesmer who can oneshot people out of stealth.
So now we have traded a viable build for a just4fun GS build. PvE and WvW bois will thank it.
Yeah for shoutbow/hambow i can see its worse. But this will maby change with some balancing. And ofc some stuff does to much dmg.
But i didnt liked shoutbow soo yeah i prefer a warrior power style
But yeah sorry for those that like support..i am not tpvp at high lvl.. More for fun
problem isn’t about not having fun with support builds anymore. power warrior is ofc more fun but it’s not viable. I talked to blackjack former member of [oRNG] and he’s also pretty sure that warrior already droped out of the meta with those changes
if you consider the whole situation in pvp I would say warrior is worse than before.
shoutbow isn’t that efficient as before. because of the huge dps buffs other classes have gotten, you have on the one hand problems to hold a 2v1 and on the other hand it’s nearly impossible to support your team enough to outheal / cleanse conditions.
Same with hambow.
What we got is a buff of gs-zerk-warrior but I really doubt that this will be viable.
A zerk class without sneaky / instant bursts isn’t really worth if you compare it with a mesmer who can oneshot people out of stealth.
So now we have traded a viable build for a just4fun GS build. PvE and WvW bois will thank it.
