Guild Wars 2

I guess, he’s reffering to axe sigill

Widebody.5071:

So in other words the warrior has been nerfed to the ground so we can be relegated to the role of support so a bunch of other characters can run around in zerker gear. What if I prefer to play alone, am I supposed to suffer so others can have a buff buddy? What happened to no trinity?

Yes you are in a support role. But except ele and thief all other clases are taken for the sole purpose of supporting as well.
Thief and ele are the only classes you take for dps reasons.
So tbh,you already have been in a support role before the “nerf”.

In soloplay warrior is still on top because nobody else except ele is able to gain that easy fury and might.

Unnecessary QQ from warrior players again.
Since warriors are part of the meta in Pve and pvp, while many other classes aren’t people shouldn’t complain about.

Xyonon.3987:

They outdps pure axe only in active damage and thats the point. Phalanx is good for pugs who can’t sustain 25 stacks o’ might. Just made a post about it, take a look

k.
What is passive damage per second?
Why is everyone playing Phalanx warrior and dual staff ele, allthough Phalanx is only for PuGs?
Why do you think that the meta builds change, allthough you already have taken both banners?
Why are you talking about PvE in a PvP thread?

questions upon questions….

Your so called egoistic dps warrior builds will still be used because you already have taken the banners with them.
those dps builds out dps pure axe
phalanx will still be a thing because you use 2 staff elementalists atm.
Well…. tbh, i dont get your points

Thaddeus.4891:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Thaddeus.4891:

They are still part of the meta in WvW Zerg and PvE, but they are on the lower end. Where they struggle a bit in sPvP/roaming, but they are not useless neither.

Can you please explain the part that I highlighted?!

How can a class be on a lower end, especially in PvE, when it is desired in pretty much every speeclear/record run group?!

In PvE they used to be a big source of damage as well as buffing, now I consider them on the lower end of the meta because they are there only because of their banner.

Aha.
On the lower end of the meta?
There are 8 different classes and 3 classes are always part of a meta group. Warrior, Ele, Thief.
The 5 other classes are only used if they are need for some special reason.
And now tell me why the kitten warrior should be at the lower end of the meta?
Because you don’t bring them for dps?
Guess what, neither Mesmers,Guardians,Engineers,Necromancers nor Rangers are brought because of the ability to deal dps.
You bring them because of their special “support role” at the same way you bring a warrior because of his special support role with the difference that you need this support all the time.

Mesmer is close to bottom of the barrel.

useless in dungeons unless you bring timewarp /portal
useless in pvp unless you bring shatter

Guardian is close to bottom of the barrel

useless in dungeons unless you bring boons
useless in PvP unless you bring bunker or medi

Ele is close to bottom of the barrel

Useless in dungeons unless you bring might
Useless in PvP unless you bring celestial

Engineer is close to bottom of the barrel.

Useless in Dungeons unless you bring vulnerability
Useless in PvP unless you bring celestial

well…. ?

Steelo.4597:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fJAQNAseTjMdU4ZVHGgwJiAjgyYAkzX0FGpvhgYJA

using perplexity runes.

what do you guys think?

lol.
Actually not even worth to leave a comment but I couldn’t resist.

This.

A lot of my guildmates I played PvE with are focusing PvP now
After 2 years you are bored and you are searching for challanges you can’t find in PvE

spoj.9672:

I think people worry far too much about whats intended or not. If somethings unintended the devs should fix it. If they dont then we should be free to use it.

And exactly this is the wrong way to think, imo.
Using unintended skills shouldn’t be justified for that reason alone because arenanet needs 2 years to finally fix sth.
Yes we are free to use it but this doesn’t make it better in any way.

In my point of view every “working as intended” – skill should get forbidden.
But my opinion probably doesn’t matter.

no offense but your dodges are horrible, you ate every mirrorblade I’ve seen in this video

imo it’s the same cheap way to deal damage as it was the case with fgs.
At least it stands in no relation with the general way to deal dps and even for this reason alone, it should be fixed.

darkaheart.4265:

@Purple Miku
“I can’t really comment much more on this without hurting your feelings, but you really shouldn’t be steering people in such a gruesomely ineffective direction.”

check out the build in action, i finally finish this video i was working on so i didnt have any proof until now click here

Firstly, this is horrible gameplay because you didn’t evade correctly at least once.
( Seeing this fight against a shatter mesmer,where you ate every single shatter makes me nearly quit warrior)
Secondly, the only thing the video has proofed is how bad WvW heroes are. They lost against you, allthough you are doding randomly all the time.

Thirdly, Miku talked about PvE, so actually a video about WvW is… well……

… what?

@ the char
Roamers like Afro and Raiden are good and there videos are fun to watch. But they’re skillwise far away from top PvPler like Rom for example, though.

Yes in a group fear me becomes even stronger. You can ress downstates while fearing oppenents or you can fear your enemies while your ally is stomping.
And wth should your group miss their burst? You have sword f1 or pindown for imobilize and as I said for example a pindown + fear kills some people nearly instant especally if you are in a group who can focus the target as well.
Trust me mate there is a reason why so many run fear me atm.

Gamgee.8612:

huntroll.1489:

Planning to run this build in WvW for small-scale fights, do you think it would work? What gear do you think would be the most efficient for it? Thinking about Rabid or Dire (Rabid if I run Torment/Earth Sigils, Dire if I won’t), maybe Settler’s or Apothecary’s (though then I wouldn’t really be able to kill anyone) or Celestial for hybrid fun (still need 3 weeks to get all the quartz though).

As I said before in this topic, this has been used pretty much since launch. Settlers or apothecarys would be your best shot for supporting your group. You might not want to take “Fear Me” over “On My Mark” as Fear Me scatters enemies and it’s got double the cooldown of On My Mark. On My Mark is underrated, it gives 10 seconds of vulnrability on target for 15 seconds. You would want Fear Me in PvP to fight at points though, but in WvW you might not want that.

Fear me is far better than on my mark even in wvw. If you hit your pindown followed by fear me some classes like shatter mesmer get instarekt.
Not to mention how easy you can rupt heals with it.

^
exactly
People like Tarcis and Rom etc. don’t use youtube

Except maybe Vaans, all other good warriors don’t use youtube. They often stream via twitch

1. Best Solo Player of the Year:
Goku / Draglek because of Charr

2. Best Speedrun Group of the Year
Keep Running because of Draglek

3. Best Speedrun World Record [group-type, restricted rule set]
Keep Running COE

4. Dungeon Initiative of the Year
Don’t know I only noticed an cared about the tournement

5. Best Visual Guide
If I watch exceptionally PvE guides, I watch Nike

6. Best Written Guide
Nike

7. Community Member of the Year
Draglek because of Charr humans are broing…

8. Most Fashionable Dungeon Runner of the Year
Draglek because of Charr + t3 = king

9. Best Comedy of the Year (it can be anything!)
Don’t know tbh I didn’t find anything that funny

10. Epic Fail of the Year (In-game only)
rT in hotw p2…dont know why so many guys chose arah p3…it only failed because of one little mistake…. to fullwipe in hotw p2 it has to be a real epic fail.

11. Best Music Production by Community Member (video contest)
wat?

Wow nice ,those cons are pretty cool if they arent to expensive they are very usefull in fast dungeon runs

In the meantime it’s obvious that there won’t be any sort of dungoens which ambitious players will enjoy.
On condition that some dungeons even get inplimented ofc.

There is a reason why celestial engineers and eles dominante even a mesmer thief Comp while ist also easier to play bye far

Silmar Alech.4305:

And they look down upon me. You wrote a different thing, but elitists I met acted like I described it. Perhaps they were just jerks and no real elitists, but it is very hard to distinguish between them.

Well, actually he is true and you shouldn’t deny this.
You guys make beliefe of that the acting he described is only cummon in lfg PuG groups and that’s just not true. Meanwhile many players have become those “elitists” which you always make fun of. They exactly act like this, beeing arrogant, acting like they would be superior and looking down to other people.
How I know? I already have run dungeons with a lot of people out of the forums here.

Except the same boring jokes and elitist-jabbering which we already now have heard 100 times I can’t really figure out what’s the sense of this thread even after reading this text the 3rd time :/
At one time it was funny to make jokes about uninformed players but meanwhile you can plainly read out the haughtiness which is just awkward.

Nobody said that it is a fact that he was desigend for and HAS to be an offensive supporter but it is a fact that he IS an offensive supporter ATM.
His strenght is to buff the group and he is doing this better than many other classes are able to.
And until he is buffing a group that good and that better than other classes like the ranger and engineer it is unjustified to buff the dps even about only 1 dps.
If you want to change the role of a warrior from supporter to damage dealer you have firstly to reduce the support opportunities.

This quote is not from me.
But some people who lost their record wanted to tell me that thome of wrath is completly useless # and no one uses that.

Nice one

#He’s refering to tome of wrath. Wich is stupid, because no one uses that.

Hölbrak ofc the same rune every warrior uses in pvp.
It fits the best with the greatsword trait in arms.

It’s not that surprising that dispute take place in a community in which are that many people who show conceited demeanor again and again.

Oh then shame on me. play what ever you want there

witcher.3197:

dominik.9721:

Play 04406 gs longbow with cele amu and geomancy /doom sigill. Its the only gs build which is viable in pvp atm

0 in strength and 4 in arms is more of a WvW thing afaik. PvP one is 4 in strength 0 in arms.

Yes thats the reason ROM played 4 in arms too
Its not that hard to notice that the traitline in arms fits much better with celestial and hoelbrak rune than a 10% multiplier in strength

Use 04406 celestial geomancy / doom on longbow its pretty strong and the only gs build which is nearly as efficient as hambow

I always thought that a staff ele and a ps warr is at least equal to might stacker and a dps warr. I guess a dps warr and 2 stack eles are superior,though.

Play 04406 gs longbow with cele amu and geomancy /doom sigill. Its the only gs build which is viable in pvp atm

You also can fake pindown

Comeon guys it’s not that easy to evade you make beliefe of.
Ofc a S/D thief in a dueling arena giggles when he sees this animation but this shouldn’t be the benchmark.
To notice a pindown in a tpvp match is quite hard and I guess good reactions should get rewarded.

So I’m against a buff, allthough I understand your points.

In groups the dps wasn’t too good.
But the comprehensive income which a warrior offered was / is way to much.

lol and the same people who are now recommend a PS-Warr flamed me when I suggested a PS-Warr /staff-ele 2 months ago.
k.

Yes i agree with you. To drop banners and its gone is a cheap design. But not a single suggestion affects that problem especally not the idea to increase simply the dps allthouhg you dont nerf the banners in return.

Lower the dps that banners offer to the group and you can increase theire dps. But to simply buff their dps is unjustified at the same way it was one yaer ago unjustified.

I just dont get why you guys want to make rich people even richer allthoufg there are poor people out

Yes thats the problem.you want the opposite allthouhg the dps in solo play is pretty strong and even strongr than most of the other classes.
That you dealed more dmg one year ago doesnt make it better in any way, on the contrary it shows that the dps was even more on top compared to other classes.

No miku but you are arguing like their dps would be bad in solo setting an thats the biggest bs and lie i have evet read

@Cygnus Gretswordtrait,SoR,FgJ and strength runes

Yes because of reflect in p2 and p3 pretty good example to compare dps im impressed. But it doesnt really matter. Warriors dps is in solo play pretty strong compared to other classes and you dont need to make rich people even richer if there are people out who even dont have what you have.

But its ok as i mentioned before rechange the buff but THEN be responsible for engineers,rangers,mesmer and guards who are all worse than the warrior and at this time i wish you gl and hf to explain them why the warrior deserved a buff -a rechanged nerf call it how ou want.

Yes a warrior with 18 stacks of might and fury deals way higher dps than a guardian who has nearly no acces to might. At the same way warrors dps is even stronger than thief dps.
If you would play at least a bit ambitinous pve you wouldnt need a proof.
Its petty clear.

Thats the reason why warriors dps is weak in groups compared to other classes because EVERYONE has 25 stacks of might there.

Which class except ele is able to attain 20 stacks might and fury?
So yes, Dps-wise warrior is

@Kevin
Actually tbh they didnt nerf the warrior enough.thats why he is still superior in pve compared to other classes.
So yes the netf was pretty fair in pve and rechanging the nerf would be unjustified.
Before the warrior deservs a buff all 5 other classes need to get even on pair first of all.

No Kevin.
In solo content dps-wise elementalist is the ONLY class who is better than the warrior. So ALL other classes are worse than the warrior by this measure.

At the same way warriors are atm better than 5 OTHER classes in group content. The reason why doesn’t matter.
What sense would it make to buff them now?
NERF your kitten BANNERS and you are allowed to buff them in any way you would like to see.
But complaining mimimi my dps sucks and I have only banners, allthough you are the second strongest class in solo content and stronger than 5 other classes in group content because they even don’t have that strong support like banners, is kind of strange.
If you guys are bored because warriors only have passive support which doesn’t require anything then make suggestions to change this.

But yes ,“Warriors only have banners” is not a good argument to buff them.
At the same way " But elementalists are that better than warrior" isn’t.

Purple Miku.7032:

Looking back at old videos of mine and comparing the damage that I was able to max out with over time, I completely disagree with you. The damage I can deal now in the most ideal of solo settings is pathetic. Regardless of how much time and effort I’d like to put into it, there’s not a chance in hell I’d ever be able to catch my ele’s DPS in a solo setting or group setting.

Yes for sure your dps is lower now. But what shall the other classes say? They’re even worse. Buffing warrior doesn’t change anything at least not the problem of elementalists beeing that surperior you are reffering to.

And pls. don’t tell me that the dmg you deal in solo settings is pathetic. Warrior probably has the second highest dps in solo setting so pls stop qq at least in solo content.

You can say it’s a circular argument all you want but when one of my classes is better than my other in offensive support, defensive support, group DPS, solo DPS, and just about everything else— I’m not going to take it seriously.

Same here. Trust me the problem isn’t the warrior. If the problem would be the warrior, the problem would be 5 other classes as well.
The warrior doesn’t deserv a buff only because an elementalist is better.

Also what’s with this rhetorical question…?

dominik.9721:

What makes a guard sepcial except support?

…

Why are you telling me that any classes present are only there for support like I don’t know??

There’s a profound difference between providing a party with reflects, stability, timing party-wide aegis, blinding mobs, purging conditions at encounters like archdiviner etc…

…and just dropping 2 banners that give passive attribute increases.

Ok so now you are complaing that the warrior doesn’t have any active and innovative support? Why does not any of your suggestions affect this?

That’s literally it. Warrior does nothing else useful aside from applying vulnerability to bosses which they aren’t even best at. If you want to do more, you can neuter your damage to sub-necro levels and run Phalanx Strength, but not be able to provide everyone permanent fury like an elementalist can.

Comparing the support that a warrior offers with a guardian is kind of laughable tbh. One of them requires active gameplay, practice and understanding encounters to be good at. The other requires absolutely nothing. The fact that this is literally all warrior is good at doing makes it pretty clear to me that warrior is a very underwhelming class in PvE. Planting banners should not be the only thing warrior is the best at.

Ok guardian maybe wasn’t a good example. Then take ranger. He brings spotter+spirit. Take an engi he brings vulneranility nothing else… take mesmer you just bring him for ONE portal.

But probably people now try to tell me that engineers have also waterfields and mightstacks and mesmers have boonrip

yer… warrior has CC and shoutheal…

Comparing classes to an elementalist is just nonsense and especally not an argument for buffs. It would be even more an argument for an elementalists nerf….

But..a warrior in PvE complaining about elementalists is the same like a man who earns 1 million, looks up to someone else who earns 2 million and complains about beeing poor,allthough there are 5 people who haven’t even 1 million.

Still doesn’t change the fact that this is a PvE-Thread and not about PvP.
But yes you’re right.
Because ROM played about 2 times Ranger he certainly quit Warrior.
Oh wait, atm he’s streaming and guess what he’s playing.

Less QQ pls.

I never said you are right “because”…
I still think that normal builds as hambow or cele axe sword are better,especally if you play in top 100 where you play with mates that know what to do.

He is right. Rom used geo and doom on longbow,too.its pretts strong.hydro and lifeleech works as well.
Axe sword is stromgee,though.

People still don’t get it that this thread isn’t about PvP.

And no, ROM still plays warrior, Lypion still plays Warrior – heck ,CM ushually runs 2 Warriors…

@Miku

There wasn’t a point in lowering the damage from GS and warrior’s DPS is extremely low even in a solo setting… which used to be the one place warrior specialized at.

Should the only niche of warrior in PvE be to provide offensive support in groups with banners?

Ideally I’d like all classes to specialize in more things. I’d like to see improvements for some of the other neglected classes that were mentioned in the thread, but this one is specifically about improving this one.

And right now, warrior is in a bland and underwhelming position in PvE.

I guess, tha warrior is the last class that has to complain about low dps in solo settings lol.
Warrior isn’t in a underwhelming position in PvE.
At least there are 5 classes which are worse than the warrior in PvE.

Should the only niche of warrior in PvE be to provide offensive support in groups with banners?

As I said, this is a curcular argument.
What makes a guard sepcial except support? What makes a Mesmer special?…….
All those classes which can’t deal the highest dps are only there because of support.