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Just give up friend! I’ve been posting about this for years! It will never happen! Winners never quit and quitters never win, but those who never win and never quit are idiots! I’m no idiot! Maybe!
I’m sorry for your loss!
Well those are the ones most are using AFAIK. I can say that revenant is accurate, and so is auramancer.
Thanks for the reply friend! I will check them out! Good to see metabattle has stepped up too! Another question, how updated are the skills on metabattle! On gw2skills.net, some traits and sigils and things aren’t updated! Like it says Sigil of Energy gives Vigor but it really restores 25% endurance!
@Edgar Like I said normally I would check it out, but don’t have HoT!
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Here all of them there.
Thanks for replying friend! Historically Metabattle hasn’t been too great with builds! Can you confirm these are accurate!
Hello friends!
I am having some issues with the PvPs! I’ve been away from this game for years! I’ll be fighting a Warrior and suddenly I have 8 million confusion and burns on me and die! Or maybe I’ll fight a Revenant or Druid and they’re near death with loads of condis and suddenly they heal to full health! Wowzerz! To speed up the learning process, is there a good site with all the popular PvP builds or can somebody link the popular PvP builds so I can better understand what the new specializations are capable of! Knowing is half the battle! Random dodging can only carry me so far!
Normally I would just log on the class and test everything out for myself but I don’t have Heart of Thorns! 50 bux for a new trait line and weapon! Haheeho nice try Anet!
Thanks for reading!
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If everything was a bullet sponge for you, then get better gear friend! Things die in a few shots for me! Boring is subjective! I have loads of fun slaying people and taking their precious loots! If anything, the game with the same PvP game mode for over 3 years is boring! Anyway here are some more things I noticed:
- Match history! Nice job Anet! Though I can’t see more detailed information about the matches! Shame shame shame!
- Loot boxes still contain loot boxes! Inside are even more loot boxes!
- You can consume all luck essences! Good change! RIP auto clicker!
- I’ve developed a big dislike for Revenants! I ported out with Flesh Wurm and the white mist evade attack that lasts forever still followed me! Who designed that skill! Roy!
I’d never thought I’d say that one day, but I’ve missed you. You are probably the last player using grenades in this game though.
I’d never thought I’d see the Engi meta shift away from Grenades! It was the meta for like 3 years! Crazy right!
The Division doesn’t have a lot of content it’s true! But ganking people and surviving a manhunt is pretty fun and exciting! And you get to steal their stuff too!
How are you all doing today! I missed you all! I was bored so I reinstalled and played a few matches today! Man am I rusty! Few things I noticed!
- Whoa Skyhammer and Spirit Watch are good now? Nice work Anet! I never thought I’d see the day!
- Man those Revenants are strong aren’t they! I guess it didn’t help that I had no idea what their skills do! Or any other class for that matter! Goshdarn Scrappers have so many projectile reflects! I ate more of my grenades than they did!
- Queue times didn’t go over 5 minutes! Nice work Anet!
- Magnet didn’t bug out as much! That’s good!
- Still only conquest! ResidentSleeper
- $50 for 3 skills, “new” weapon, and extra traitline! Can’t fool me with that!
- People told me Necros were severely nerfed! Thanks for that! Didn’t see many of them pooping on my poor Engi in the games I played!
- Still can’t tell which Swirling Winds belong to my team and which belong to the other team! Many grenades were wasted!
The Division patch isn’t out until tomorrow so maybe when I get off work I will play with some of you my friends! Bye!
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Anyways, I’ll keep an eye on the thread for questions over the next few days, so feel free to AMA!
Hi Grouch. Long time no see.
3v3 Arenas?
Wahoo!
Because nobody wants to play 5v5 conquest.
No weapon or skillset should be the top of everything.
Meanwhile grenades. Since launch.
custom pvp arena already exist…
Can people stop using this as justification for not putting in literally the most competitive and one of the most popular PvP game modes in the genre? First custom paid arenas don’t offer any rewards. They don’t have any kind of rating. They don’t have a leaderboard or ranking system. Custom arenas only have conquest maps and courtyard which are all terrible for 2v2 and 3v3 arenas. Paid arenas cost money. The list goes on and on and on so please stop using this as an excuse to cackblack the trillions of us who want this popular game mode in a game that’s only had ONE game mode since kitten release. Thanks much!
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If your baseball team is up 5-4 and then you did some PvE to win, is that PvP?
But this is elitist nonsense, the game needs to attract a healthy population then guide them into becoming worthwhile contributors, can’t do it without a healthy pop though. The issue is the population not being big enough for the ranking system to work properly so that high ranking players regularly get matched with each other and not against low ranking players.
Attracting PvE players who will never ever ever take PvP seriously isn’t elitist nonsense. I’ve seen people post on these forums who say that they hate PvP and only play it for the reward tracks, AP, and titles. These kinds of people do not contribute to a “healthy pop”. These kinds of people AFK games.
If you want good matchmaking, you need people who like PvP and who will play it often and get better so they can be matched with better players. Matchmaking will still be terrible even if you somehow managed to get 10000000 PvE players to play if they never leave the trash tier. This game will never attract that demographic because of the reasons I already listed: bad balance patches, infrequent balance patches, bad leaderboards, bad matchmaking, bad game mode, only one game mode, and now this “F2P” mode which is really just pay2win.
A potential competitive PvP player sees GW2 as F2P so he installs the game, sees that a large chunk of builds costs $50 to unlock, and the only game mode he can play is conquest. If that were me, I’d pretty much uninstall immediately.
The current system is making the player base smaller by the minute.
While I’ll let the PvP team respond to the other points here, I do want to take a moment and address this:
PvP has steadily grown in population and play hours going on nearly a year now. It’s sky-rocketed since the game went free, and the two weeks before this have been our best weeks literally since the week the game launched. We anticipate this week will be the best week login/play wise PvP has ever had in the history of Gw2.
I don’t want to trivialize your points – and our competitive team has some great reasons why things operate the way they do they’ll lay out and explain in relation to leagues soon: I do want to call out you’re using false population data to support your point.
From an ArenaNet perspective, PvP is the fastest growing part of Gw2 and had more success for us as a business in the last year than it’s had by far in the history of the Guild Wars franchise. Next year is going to be even bigger because of that success.
I’m really proud of the work the team has done and the work our amazing player community who has helped grow competitive PvP just as much as our dev team has and would hate to see that lost in this discussion.
-CJ
Thanks Colin for that dose of reality, much needed. Knowing how big GW1 PvP was, this part really surprised me.
lol “dose of reality”.
The reality is that they added reward tracks and achievement points to PvP and so all the PvE and WvWers flock to do hotjoins and unranked “arenas” who don’t actually care about PvP or getting better, just their AP and wallet. Sorry but I don’t consider inflating PvP with useless people growth. I define growth as adding and attracting people who actually contribute to the scene, people who want to get better and join the competitive side of things, people that don’t just play PvP for the rewards but because it’s fun and they enjoy it. The reality is that many names of good PvPers that I saw early on in the game are no longer playing replaced by anonymous names triple capping points and not contributing to anything whatsoever (though that’s also an issue with the awful matchmaking) and the competitive scene right now is just a handful of people. Talk about false population data to support points!
If PvP really was a success for Anet as a business this whole time, then why has growth been so slow? Why are balance patches so awful and so far between? Why has there only been one game mode for 3 years? Why is the only game mode that’s coming out in the expansion so bad? Why is matchmaking so bad? Why are the leaderboards so bad? Why is it so hard to get new actual PvPers to play this game? Actually I know the answer to that one. It’s conquest. Actually come to think of it, conquest answers most of those questions and yet if we want to PvP with any semblance of progression, we are forced to play this awful, awful game mode.
I like this game. I think the graphics are beautiful, the combat is the best in the genre, and I’ve been a GW franchise supporter for a long time. And for $60, the game was absolutely well worth it. I have no regrets. But now you want me to pay an extra $50 for what? A new class and one weapon and traitline for every class? For a game in this state? Funniest thing I’ve heard all year!
- Add 2v2 + 3v3 arenas!
- Instant esports!
Wahoo! Bye frands!
This is another good decision by Anet! F2P will bring many new players to try out the awesome combat in this game! But if you want these players to stay, there needs to be more game modes than just conquest and stronghold! What is the point of having great combat if there’s nothing to play! And with the influx of new players, Justin O’Dell’s lame excuse of “fragmenting the existing playerbase” no longer becomes an issue!
Obviously the first game mode to add is 3v3 arena! 3v3 arenas always attract the most competitive and hardcore PvP players, which is definitely what GW2 desperately needs to reignite the tiny, stagnant competitive scene that we have right now! Plus 3v3 arenas are extremely popular, and an actual competitive MMO game type where you don’t have to grind for months for gear? It would be a smash hit!
And then you have the other contenders! CTF is extremely popular but I can’t see how it would work with Anet’s terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible decision to implement immob stacking! Hey that guy took our flag! Let’s just immobilize him forever! Assault/Defend could be a 15v15 WvW castle fight! This game mode was really popular in Tera! 15v15 queues would take 2 minutes compared to the 15 minute 5v5 queues here in GW2! (lol) And it would be popular with the WvW crowd as it takes the fun part of WvW while throwing away the extremely boring parts! Like running! Running for hours!
I’m also not saying to get rid of conquest! Obviously a dedicated few people enjoy conquest! But it would be a real shame if GW2 finally gets some new players only for them to quit soon after because there’s not enough content! And I know Grouch did an esports speech that one Anet dev where he compared GW2’s conquest to LoL’s Summoner’s Rift and how they only have and need one game mode! First they don’t have just one game mode! They have many! More than GW2! And their one competitive map is a decade long tried and true player tested and approved game mode that’s loved by all! GW2, on the other hand, can only muster up a tiny, laughable speck in the esports scene that’s ridiculed every time it’s brought up in other games! Thanks conquest!
Please don’t make this mistake Anet! More game modes please! Wahoo! Bye frands!
I was testing an almost identical build pre patch in many 1v1s against some pretty good DD eles, mesmers, and cele necros! Lost most of these 1v1s when I specifically designed the build to be a 1v1/1v2 backpoint holder! I found that bomb Engis just can’t compete with the 1v1 juggernauts of condi Mesmer and cele Necro/Ele! I highly doubt a 60 radius increase will change that fact!
However I had much success with the build just solo queueing in ranked/unranked! Clearly playing casual arenas isn’t an accurate measurement of a build’s efficiency since I got absolutely wrecked when doing 1v1s with good players while winning many 1v1s and even 1v2s and on one occasion a 1v3 while solo queueing! Anet’s terrible matchmaking at work!
It also bothered me that I couldn’t use the explosive line when my most offensive kit was an explosive kit, especially since Short Fuse is so good! Imagine a meditation Guardian without the valor tree! If Anet wants Bomb Kit to be viable, serious explosives tree and/or Bomb Kit overhauls need to be made! Some ideas I had were increasing Fire Bomb pulse and Concussion Bomb power damage! Since the explosives line is 100% power oriented and Bomb Kit is pretty awful in a power build, having Bomb Kit deal more power damage would be nice! I also suggested many times adding condition traits to the explosives line! Since the Engineer is pigeonholed into the explosives line if they want to be competitive, having the explosives tree be completely power oriented hurts build diversity as evidenced by the complete disappearance of competitive condi builds!
Wahoo! Bye frands!
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No lol. The explosives line is not suited for bomb builds and you need to give up all positioning to use this offensive kit on a class where positioning is extremely important in a meta where you can get bursted down in 2 seconds by classes tankier than you are!
Wahoo! Bye frands!
You’d think after 3 years we could see some variety but I guess that’s just wishful thinking!
Yea, I think you’ve gotten spoiled from playing engi. Most classes haven’t had jack for variety in builds.
Wot? Thief has used SP, SD, and DP historically! Rangers have used shortbow, sword/dagger, and now axes, torches, greatswords, and longbows! Necros have used condi scepter and power/cele dagger! In the past 3 years, what has the Engineer used? Grenades! Condi grenades! Cele grenades! Power grenades! This is because the Grenade Kit has been the strongest weapon by far for both condi and power builds! The Engineer meta is completely dictated by the explosives trait line and now that it’s 100% power oriented, naturally the Engi meta transitions to power grenades! And because the explosives line is 100% power oriented, there are no more viable tournament builds for condi Engi! #Diversity
But what I don’t understand is why they didn’t handle d/d ele in a similar way. Both builds, d/d ele and cele rifle were roughly in the same spot in terms of balance, since every top tier team would include both in their lineup 99% of the time back then. It would be a great chance to further balance the game for everybody and to give ele players new opportunities to figure out new specializations and playstyles. I hope the devs are going to adress this soon.
Because DD Eles ran 30 water and 30 arcane whereas the Engineer split its trait points in almost every tree! Naturally the new specialization system favors them! Also shuffling traits around won’t really do anything because the cele Ele has all of its hybrid damage come from its weapons whereas the Engineer relied on its traits! Also Backpack Regenerator was nerfed which was a huge part of Engi sustain! If you don’t have hybrid damage or sustain, running cele is pointless! The issue with DD Ele is they deal too much damage for how tanky they are! The obvious solution would be to lower their dagger damage but Anet unfortunately doesn’t share my balance philosophy of the tankier you are, the less damage you deal!
Wahoo! Bye frands!
Cele is dead because the Engineer is still 100% reliant on the explosives line/grenades to deal damage and be competitive! Before the patch the explosives line could be fitted to output good power and condition damage! Now the explosives line is 100% power oriented which is why power Engi is the new meta! You’d think after 3 years we could see some variety but I guess that’s just wishful thinking!
Also sustain was nerfed!
Wahoo! Bye frands!
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2v2 deathmatch ? custom arena don’t have courtyard ?
Custom arena isn’t a solution to a huge population that desires 2v2/3v3 arena play! No rewards, no matchmaking, no leagues, no ranks, no rating, no titles, no good maps, etcetcetc! Kinda takes out the desire to compete! Granted GW2 doesn’t have a lot of these things for conquest either but chalk that up to clueless devs and poor infrastructure 3 years later!
Wahoo! Bye frands!
There will always be a tanky meta when the game mode is trying to survive as long as possible on point! Been here since launch!
Wahoo! Bye frands!
You did not learn any PvP fundamentals while playing turret Engi! You should forget everything that you’ve “learned” in that time and start fresh! I’d suggest a tanky power grenade build with lots of disengage! It’s the most forgiving build you can play while still being useful! You could also go the opposite route and play a marauder power grenades Engi! Nothing helps you learn positioning faster than the possibility of dying in 2 seconds! In theory that is! I’ve seen some people idle on point during a teamfight wearing a berserker amulet!
Basically until Anet decides to un-pigeonhole the Engineer into using Grenade Kit, Grenades will always be your strongest weapon! Use it! Master it!
Wahoo! Bye frands!
Yea I can see it now. Bunkers bunkers and more bunkers. How exciting.
As opposed to what we have now? WTS winners 3 cele + 1 soldier amulet? Logic! 3v3s would probably have teams run coordinated burst builds because… you know there’s no point to have to bunker on! Area denial bruisers like the insanely strong DD Ele would have way less impact because there’s no area to deny!
3v3s would, in a sense, grow this tiny, laughable competitive scene! 15 people can only form 3 conquest teams but 5 arena teams!
I’d list more positives but Anet has already shut this idea down! So whatevs!
Wahoo! Bye frands!
Anet has already stated that this insanely popular and logical game mode and to date the only form of MMO PvP that has been esports most likely won’t be implemented! On the slim chance that they somehow come to their senses, it probably won’t be for a few years when PvP is a shriveled up husk of poor matchmaking, zero infrastructure, and unreasonably long waits between balance patches! But there will be loot boxes everywhere! Inside those loot boxes are more loot boxes!
Wahoo! Bye frands!
Generosity should be able to read your mind and cleanse the condition that is making you think to yourself, “Hey I hope this condition gets cleansed off me before I die!”
Wahoo! Bye frands!
Guys Guild Warts 2 is the laughingstock of the esports universe! Let’s wait until this game doesn’t stink of pooberries before we start the what team/continent is better than the other drama!
Wahoo! Bye frands!
Press tab!
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tab doesn’t mean anything if your throwing axes in the wrong direction. i guess you don’t understand what i mean.
Face the enemy!
Wahoo! Bye frands!
Press tab!
Wahoo! Bye frands!
I prayed to god for 3v3 arenas and god didn’t listen! I guess I am a scrub!
Wahoo! Bye frands!
You should run both Doom and Torment!
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Average queue time in TERA for 20v20: 2-3 minutes!
Average queue time in GW2 for 5v5: ~10 minutes!
Jokes! Wahoo! Bye frands!
For the 325782987th time it’s not bugged! It only works with tossed and consumed elixirs just like the tooltip says!
Wahoo! Bye frands!
Solo/Duo players get shafted!
“…you’ll simply need to beat a required score threshold if you’re matched against a team outside your skill bracket.”
Bad matchmaking will still exist!
..Sigh!
Wahoo! Bye frands!
Because the majority of forum posters are either:
- PvE players and Necro has been on the bottom of the PvE rankings since forever!
- Rookie PvP players who have no concept of positioning, which is arguably more important on a Necromancer than any other class!
- Whiners who will whine regardless of how the class is!
Going into the Necro 4umz was a chilling experience for me! :-D
As for why the Engi 4umz are such a frandly place, it’s because we are frandly people! Also the class is cool!
Wahoo! Bye frands!
I don’t know what this does but that’s not the point of this thread! The point is it makes an annoying sound that is inescapable! Placing it near the point will make everyone blind with rage! Please tone down the noise this thing makes!
Also hitting it proc’d my esports rocket even though I didn’t do any damage to it!
Wahoo! Bye frands!
This is a huge step in the right direction! If you are a naysayer, shut up! Anet is finally doing something right and we all need to bask in this rare moment of glory without any negativity! What I want to know is, will the rewards, titles, badges, and anything else that comes with the league system be available to people who did not purchase HoT?
Wahoo! Bye frands!
Is this real? Dude, that’s your first positive comment in two years! HYPE BOYZ!
This is the first good news about Guild Warts 2 in 2 years! HYPE BOYZ!
Wahoo! Bye frands!
PS: I tried logging in to maybe get back into the game for leagues and I logged off 2 seconds later! Just the thought of playing conquest again makes me nauseous! But at least there’s gonna be leagues!
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“I want the backpack that only good players can get and I don’t want to get good to get it!”
That’s what I read!
Wahoo! Bye frands!
Soldiers engi has great survivability against physical damage and CC, but condi builds will wreck it 1v1.
5G was running HGH and two elixirs, both of which clear condis. he’s actually in in not too bad a spot vs condi.
Alchemical Tinctures isn’t some magical defense against condi! Elixir B provided an extra 2 conditions cleansed on long cooldowns! The issue is there aren’t many condi builds in the meta! Condi builds stink!
The Alchemy specialization is the best specialization hands down for Engineers! No matter what kind of build you run, your build will always be better if you have the Alchemy tree! For dealing with conditions, the Alchemy tree gives Alchemical Tinctures which removes conditions when you proc Self Regulating Defenses and Hidden Flask! It also gives 2 condition cleanses with Elixir S, which is one of the best defensive utilities the Engineer has! The tree also has Transmute! If you want to have a successful build, make sure Alchemy is one of your specializations!
Then you have Healing Turret and possibly Elixir Gun as your other forms of condi cleanse! But the best way of dealing with condi burst is to position yourself correctly! Don’t overextend and make yourself a target for burst! Avoid standing on the point unless you really, really, really have to prevent a cap/decap and even then it might just be better to concede the point in exchange for your life! A lost point is better than you dying which will probably result in a lost point anyway!
Other than that, the rest is up to your teammates to cleanse you in a teamfight! In a 1v1 scenario you, and most Engineers, are at a disadvantage against a condi/hybrid build so you’ll have to learn when most people will fit a condi burst in their rotation and dodge/block/invuln it! But you should try to avoid 1v1’ing these builds anyway!
Hope that helped! Wahoo! Bye frands!
Congrats to the Abjured but I think we can say that all the teams are winners here! Receiving thousands of dollars for playing this tiny game is a victory in and of itself! Not to mention being flown out to Germany, a pretty sweet country!
Wahoo! Bye frands!
This is a huge step in the right direction! If you are a naysayer, shut up! Anet is finally doing something right and we all need to bask in this rare moment of glory without any negativity! What I want to know is, will the rewards, titles, badges, and anything else that comes with the league system be available to people who did not purchase HoT?
Wahoo! Bye frands!
It isn’t off the table, and we have most of the tech for it. I expect at some point we will do it, just not now. I don’t know when either.
Edit: This isn’t a promise we’ll do these type of arenas, just my opinion based off of previous discussions with the team. We may never do them, or we may do something like them. Nothing is planned at this point.
Basically confirming they will never happen and if it does, it won’t be for another few years when this game will be a barren wasteland of wasted potential and inept devs and their shattered esports dream!
Justin already confirmed that it probably won’t happen! And if it does happen, it won’t be for a few years at least! I’ve been asking for this for years! They just don’t care!
HoT is, from a PvP standpoint, a new class, new traitline, and a new weapon! Somehow thinking this is going to magically make the devs balance at a reasonable timeframe and not terribly, fix matchmaking, implement leagues and ladders, and whatever else from the list of the 8 billion things wrong with Guild Warts 2 PvP is just foolish thinking! Plus you are getting most of HoT’s content, like Stronghold, even if you don’t purchase the expansion, which comes out to a costly $50! Over 3 years ago, I purchased GW2 for $60 and it gave me a full game! All the lands you could explore, the classes to experiment with, PvP and WvW… It was a deal! Now Anet wants me to spend $50 on a new class and a new weapon and a trait line! Good joke!
Wahoo! Bye frands!
lol
The problem with PvP is its infrastructure, and not the gigantic waste of money that is WTS, which has a prize pool even larger than bigger and better esports games but I’ve already written 10 different wall of texts about that with no response
Waho.. ah kitten it