Guild Wars 2

Erebus.7568:

you ignore everything else in the post which is actually the importent of this one so i will just say to this PUGS!!!!! was mentioned at the very start.
this is full premade(perfect opness on classes as well for it btw).. and 20+ is NOT 15min!!!! and they are exploiting and simply ignoring half the boss fight and running pass the rest as mentioned you can just teleport or hack and you will be done in 2-5min, but actually doing the full run as it was intended is a completely other story ^^
now do please keep to the subject instead of discussing how fast it can be run by very few specific pro groups

And I did mentioned that we had random pickups and no exploits (excluding dodge-exploits but we can’t survive without it) were used.

Strifey.7215:

I agree it’s a dps check, but I’ve personally run this path multiple times without ever failing, and there’s a dude in my guild whose trying to get the bloodstone shard recipe and has done this path over 20+ times, even with pugs and un-optimal classes.

It’s not as crazy a min-max as you say, I mean I did this before ascended gear was even out and in a half pug group with a terrible ele, but yes you still want everyone in dps gear to make it easy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akoLjsITrk0

This is the method we use, there’s a skip to Simin at the start, I’ve never needed to go past a 2nd spark pull, even in this video we had a bad spark pull at 50% because one leashed, and we still got it, so there’s plenty of room for error. Not to mention this was before the 28th patch so I imagine it’s even faster to spark run now.

Also everyone should have stability so you don’t waste time with petrify and tears unless you run out of stability.

Since 28th patch sparks shouldn’t even leash like in your case.

Few runs back, we did it with 1 warrior, 1 thief, 1 guardian and 2 necros. One necro had blue/green gear and it didn’t take us more than 10 minutes including preparations of tears and explaining the enoucnter. If you still think you need tons of preparations and unimaginable dps you simply need to step up your game and use that thing between your ears that’s supposed to do something.

Erebus.7568:

not without exploiting, but with that logic you can run it in 5min by teleporting through the wall or simply just hack it and do it in 2 min -.-
(and you can’t grind dungeons in general, only very few is grindable because of the hardcore nerf to the reward when finishing it more than once a day)

(i do not believe you can ever run arah in 15min if you actually kill the bosses.) but discussing the exact time limit of actually running it is not what we are here for any sain person can agree that arah take vastly longer time then cof:
now that this is settled.

You again with your exploits aka dodges. I’ve done p3 with 2 random pickups in ~17 minutes so it’s doable in 15 minutes with decent people. As a proof, here’s the guides from Strifey, he’s done path 1 in 21 minutes, path 2 in 24 minutes and path 3 in 18 minutes. If you still think it’s impossible, try running more offensive builds instead of “support” and “tanks”. I don’t see how 3 arah paths doable in ~20 minutes are vastly longer than two paths in cof that take 5-10 and 15 minutes respectively.

If you’re alive, you should be able to use waypoint, change it please.

Snaetch.8612:

1. Increased repair bills scaling with player level on all SOULBOUND items the character has in their possession / all items the player has equipped within the last hour. No more removing armor, no more practicality in throwing your corpse at a fight instead of working it out. Still allows people to play at all times which forgives the occasional death or two.

A lot of people keeps 2nd armour set for different situations. You sure you want to punish them for it?

Ursan.7846:

Phoenix.1784:

The one part i dislike is how it applies to trash as well, i feel it’s really unnecessary

If members in your party are dying (not just getting downed) to trash, you have some serious problems.

Depends what you mean by trash. Some silver mobs hit hard as truck.

Writetyper.1985:

I take first timers all the time. Lupi just needs a bit of explaining but anyone competent should understand and be able to cope.

I wouldn’t take you, though. You’re being extremely close-minded. Maybe this is reflected in game, and that’s why you’re having trouble with simple dungeons like AC?

I mean, here’s how you avoid a wipe on kholer with first timers: “hey guys, coming up to uncle kholer now, just get ready to dodge when he holds his left arm up k?” Simple as that. Someone might get pulled once or twice but after that they should have learned. Given that you’re obviously not reading comments and responding with lines like “you fail stop trying to justify the new changes and just admit things were better as they were” I wouldn’t be surprised if you just ignored something like that, got pulled repeatedly and then came to the forums to complain about it.

Stop it.

Exactly, I even prefer firsttimers than so-called dungeon masters who would only glitch bosses, use inefficient and slow tactics and were unreformable because they know better – “check my title”.

George Steel.1804:

Wethospu.6437:

Why would you spam tears when you can look debuffs from party-UI?

Because tear throwing has a cast time. If you see the debuff, then throw, you’ve wasted 3 seconds of DPS.

Instead, I threw a tear every two seconds, and we completed it with 0 warriors on my first attempt ever at Simin. But what do I know.

Throw it before petrify? Person that’s gonna be petrify has Deadeye’s Stare debuff with a timer.

obal.3218:

Congrats. I guess you gave up on the whirlwind approach to the bubbles. I finally got around to soloing him with my guardian. You only beat me by about 30min.

Heh, that’s true. On my full zerker gua it took about 15-20 minutes.

Kintari.4172:

Maybe you could elaborate on why you think the split version is worse?

Animation of the leap part is horrible ;<

Kurr.4179:

I understand all this strategy stuff, and we did most of that (foods, etc).

I just want people to understand that this is the ONLY boss fight in any dungeon path that requires anywhere near this level of preparation, and that you can still completely fail despite preparing intensely.

I just think it needs to be consistent with the rest of dungeons. It’s OK for one fight to be more challenging than others, but this is not challenging. It’s just tedious, hitting you head against a wall for hours in the hope that it works.

You absolutely cannot do this dungeon path without a premade group that knows what they are doing. If you manage it, you are lucky IMO.

What are you babbling about? What premade groups? Done it countless times with pugs What preparations? There are none if you exclude getting ~20 tears.

Heylo.4938:

You don’t run Arah for the stats. You want Rabid or Berserker? Run TA or CoF.
You run Arah to say you ran it and to look like a bamf. You should not get better stats for running it. You get some sort of respect, and that’s enough. If Arah is not giving you enough reward, don’t run it.
In Guild Wars, you shouldn’t have to grind a dungeon to get better gear. You CAN grind a dungeon to get exotics if you want, but you don’t have to. Arah gear should not have better stats. That’s just ridiculous. Plus, you can run an Arah path in about half an hour if you know what you’re doing. :P

If you know what you’re doing you should run it in 15 minutes.

Nihilus.3015:

Enemies should insta die if they hit you while wearing full Arah armor.

That’s a great suggestion. All risens should die when they hit you.

Tzozef.9841:

It depends if you did it before or after the Jan 28th update, I did this with Kurr today. We didnt wipe even once (during the dungeon before Dwayna/Simin), great party

I remember reading somewhere they would reduce the sparks from 5 to 3. Guess not.
And Simin’s healing is obsurd, and we had good runners for the sparks anyhow.

Seems to be a bug, cant be sure though

We did it today, but there were virtually no changes to simin, just some tuning to sparks. And like Weth said, we wiped multiple times yet we killed simin in 10-15 minutes. Must be an issue with your party.

nicbet.1820:

+1 Erebus.3897.

Talking to the “L2P you kitten noob” crowd sometimes feels like talking to a wall. While its being painted. Black. With Acrylic. ;-)

Cater to the 9-5 crowd by implementing fun challenges doable in masterwork/rare gear, without spending hours upon hours in poorly designed dungeons without a chance of a real reward at the end. (Yes, the 9-5 crowd will only do one dungeon run per night, so collecting 1800 tokens for a full set of armor will required them to do the same thing for a year).

Then cater to the elite crowd by implementing really hard challenges (Hard mode dungeons?) and give them something to use for bragging (maybe a special player title?).

Full armour is 1380 tokens and you’ll get it after 20 runs.

Lyer.1905:

No the stats should be the same, what you guys want is basically the argument against ascended gear. No one should be forced to run Arah for the best stats, only the look if they want it.

There’s a sense of prestige in having Arah gear, if you see someone with a full set you know they did it for the challenge and not so much for the stats. Besides having the skin is good enough, I’ve had people take one look at my character in pugs and have said they were glad to have a good player in the run.

But you have to grind fotm for better jewelry, so why shouldn’t you be forced to grind the hardest dungeon for the best armour/weapons?

She’s called Simin, not Dwayna.

I agree. Arah armour should grant more defense, more crit damage, more power and more precision with divinity runes.

Erebus.3897:

how come then we slay dragons in 50+ mobs? buff the bosses and mobs to account for more players… its easier to modify the boss stats than to rework the balance system

Did you seriously bring open world example into dungeon discussion?

Kurow.6973:

No other profession hits as hard with that much survivability. There’s a reason CoF speed runs ask for Wars and Mes only.

Soloing is not the issue I was referring to. The numbers flying by and the time it took him was.

…and I do own a war…and I, unlike SOME people…completely admit that the class’s damage is broken when compared to other classes. Anyone ignoring this fact is simply being…well, ignorant.

Warriors deal the most damage, I agree here. But please, don’t spew nonsense about survivability. Did you ever tried full zerker warrior with 916 toughness/vitality? You see 4 wars in cof because you kill 4 mobs, no dodging is even required.

Elite players use dodge to exploit bosses, that’s what I get from your previous statements.

Erebus.7568:

Asglarek.8976:

Why they refuse to implement a super majority vote kick policy is beyond stupid its blatant incompetence.

yup should take every one in the group except the party getting kicked saying yes before kicking should be possible.

Because then you wouldn’t be able to kick 2 trolls.

bel.6510:

I just finished Arah exp p3 with random pug. All of them had ~1300 anet points, none except me had dungeon master, some of them were first time there, didn’t know what to do with hot potato stage. We did all without wipes. I was kiting GL solo while they were rezzing themselfs like crazy. They did awesome job. We’ve skipped some parts after that and reached the final boss. It only takes one person willing to explain stuff and be kind to new and unexpirenced players. No spykits were used that day. We’ve finished this path in decent time as well. Everything was smooth except that I had dc during the final fight. Guess what. I had to run on foot from the start after loggin in back to the game. This is just ridiculous. Especially in Arah. I wasn’t killed I had DC I should be albe to at least use some WP and its not like WP’s at Arah are close to the final bosses…

Yep, you can’t use WP even if you are alive which is imho an oversight or a way to stop people from logging out and in and to use waypoint to get back but that’s just stupid.

Wasabee.5031:

You are so kind! I will keep that offer in mind once I move to EU server.

Now I’m sure I’m being trolled. Kudos.

Wasabee.5031:

Take me! I want to finish Arah explorer all paths! And can you please tell me how long does it take for a noob face like me to complete it? Do I have to prepare massive golds for repair or with your guidance, I will be able to tag along and leech the achievement? (aka tokens)

If you play on EU serv just pm me and if I haven’t done it already I can take you. But I don’t want people to leech because they won’t learn nothing and all my work is in vain.

Sages.3496:

dude get out of this post cause now you sound like your so elite that you can do this dungeon without any problems at all. gl with that

How is my post being elitist? I take firsttimers for arah all the time.

Sages.3496:

newbies dont know the mechs of him therefore alot of them may not want to play dungeons anymore

You wipe, that means you failed. Time to rethink you current strategy and improve. Shouldn’t that be obvious?

How would you deal with stealth?

Just noticed that you misspelled lupicus , it’s much better now ;D

pdfrod.1948:

Some people complained that pets messed up the sparks pull. Wasn’t that fixed?

From what I’ve seen, sparks follow you more closely but they still change aggro if someone would get near them.

Zenyatoo.4059:

you can do a similar thing with elementalist (if im thinking about the right thing)
When he does the animation, like, mid… throw? kinda. He’s got his hands in the air and is about to thrust them down to place the bubble. If you use the ele fire 4 on staff the dodge roll takes you far enough back to completely avoid the damage and knockdown. Then lupi sits there staring at his empty bubble for a bit while everyone smacks him.

Unfortunately elementalist staff is probably not the best tool for solo’ing lupi on ele

Focus is probably much better.

Zogyark.4597:

Lucky, I can’t even get a flame ashes recipe and I run that kitten nonsntop

Well, I was praying 40 days and nights to the goddess of luck. Guess it helps!

Zogyark.4597:

Bloodstone shard recipe I believe? correct me if I’m wrong.

Those shards were going for 80g before patch, who knows if they were actually selling that high since the supply was minimum.

Oh, boy. I think I’m gonna look for “need 1 more for simin” posts on gw2lfg.com. My recipe solds only 15-20g.

Bunnehboo.6025:

troll post is troll….

How is he trolling? o.O

I was that thief he mentioned, he was a warrior and we had one guardian and 2 necros while one nec had blue/green gear with 700 achievement points. Is it really inconceivable that you can actually do it without omgweneed4warriorsandtimewarpbot?

Zogyark.4597:

Dam wish i was on for free tokens and a chance at that recipe.

Shard drops some kind of recipe? I got one from Operative Brie.

Nuka Cola.8520:

i’m not saying ascended gear shouldn’t be elsewhere but all ascended gear should be available in fotm.

Why is that?

Nuka Cola.8520:

can we get a devs answer to why we can’t trade Prestine Relics for ascended amulets? What’s the reason behind this!? Ascended gear was ‘born’ in fotm, every ascended gear should be available there.

Ascended gear is just a part of gear progression, it shouldn’t be available only in fractals meaning it doesn’t have to be available there as well. People were moaning about lack of options beside fractals, you can do it now ;p

Where did you read that bosses have less hp?

Iehova.9518:

And here I was hoping you’d solo him.

My problem with recording is that I have memory leaks when I’m doing it on 5 years old hardware. Basically, I can’t play without massive fps drop. But here’s a little sneak peak with a guardian. If you’d want my proposition for builds for ele/gua I can post them/pm you.

Iehova.9518:

Looking forward to a demonstration.

Ye, me too.

Kurow.6973:

It’s called Guild WARS 2 for a reason…and this is one of those good examples of why.

You can definitely do it on ele and guardian. I haven’t tried other proffs. Is it called Guild Eles 2? Instead of whining about certain proffesion why won’t you try doing it?

Strifey.7215:

Also do you have any idea when the auto attack causing “fumble dodges” fix will make it in, that’s the number one worst bug in the game imho and I really want to turn my auto attack back on.

I haven’t check if it is fixed but patch notes says “Fixed a bug that could cause chain skills to sometimes interrupt dodge rolls”.

ike.3028:

Poor play? Wtf are you talking about? In every god kitten PuG at least one person dies in that fight. You are over punishing players who can’t spent all day preparing for Arah.

It’s poor play because those people won’t stop before the fight and think “Do you really need your current traits/weapons/utility skills?”. If you keep dieing maybe it’s time to change you current setup.

How are they different?

Kumakichi.2583:

I’m hoping for the plush Lupicus backpack soon!

Oh, the puppy! Anet needs to see this suggestion.

Calixtus.8617:

This I think will drive even more elitism in dungeons and specific group make up requests. People who have not been in dungeons before will not be welcomed. Just look at all the Arah requests in gw2lfg. If you have no exp in this dungeon you are not wanted and having recently done P2 and 3 which are the easiest you will need a group with a lot of patience (which we had) to take new people through it.

Those that have done dungeons regularly will of course have no trouble and the elitists will be welcoming this stopping of so called zerging a boss. Not convniced and will cause a lot of unecessary angst in some paths that are already hard.

I take firsttimers into arah all the time. You should avoid all those “experienced ppl only” party as much as possible for very simple reason – they’re really bad.

Most good players aren’t elitists, elitists are mostly bads who think they deserve better. That means they’re gonna cry about waypoint changes as well as everyone who feels that it’s needed.

Writetyper.1985:

How.

That doesn’t even make any sense.

It does! Now you need PVT gear to survive!

Erebus.7568:

i am sry if i should have misunderstood this but from my understanding the grub skill was suppose to be unaviodable(primary to avoid people solo/duo it. simply as a stop mechanic).
thereby it would be exploiting if you avioded this.

if i am wrong with this i appologiese for my misinformation.

If anet would want to put such mechanics, they just need to create an encounter where you need 4-5 people. Legendary Shoggroth is such an example. The only unavoidable move with simple dodge is necrid trap. Now, how you managed to think that dodging = exploiting and grub = anti solo skill is just beyond my comprehension.

Fury.6281:

I give it 2 days at most after todays (Jan 28th) patch before Lupicus is solo’ed again. Reckless dodge being fixed on warriors makes the fight more difficult, and it will take time to get used to not dodging out of the bubble, but with things like shield block, endure pain, balanced stance, and precise dodges within the bubble to avoid the attack, it can still be done.

I did it without reckless but it’s obviously longer because you need to equip defensive skills instead of pure offensive. ~6 minutes solo will not be possible, that’s obvious. Though anet apparently fixed dodge bug this patch so you could turn autoattack on and stop abusing your keyboard. I welcome this patch, Weth won’t be able to cheat ;D

DancingPenguins.9875:

Wait till you pug it. People apparently don’t carry ranged weapons these days.

What’s wrong with that? I don’t use ranged weapons because they have lower dps.

Ruprect.7260:

I suppose skipping mobs will not be very doable anymore. Ha, all dung runs will take an hour now.

Did you read those patch notes carefully? Nowhere it says you aren’t able to rez at waypoint anymore if someone in party isn’t in combat.

Shamrocky.5036:

The Evolved Destroyer boss in CoE just takes practice to master. Once the group know how to get in and out in time for that boss he is cake. The easiest CoE path just got easier.

Cries of the crowd was heard in Seattle. That’s the result.