Guild Wars 2

pepper.6179:

replace sand with spikes

This so much!

Infact replace all SAND with SPIKES! And watch them PVE’lings swarm into WvW frothing “I need my [SPIKES]!!!!”

Hmm, obviously a bit biased since you just suggested deleting my server here :p

But how about the thought that many of the people left on the lower servers, and the ones that still consider server loyalty ? Many of them might not bother moving, but instead just quitting.

So, not a fan. Though I agree there are too many servers at this point.

*sniff* RIP my greatest gold income in wvw, you will sorely be missed!

Much approvals and +1’s to entire thread.

Yes and No. I want it back for a rotation, or just make both maps playable standalone without the home system. I want Alpine AND Desert (and EBG) at the same time, in some manner.

Explains it better than I can: https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Stability

Saw someone suggest a middle ground, where each stack of stability when hit made you immune from further CC for 1-2 seconds. So 5 stacks of stability gave you at least 5 seconds of no CC. But don’t really know how it would work out, since I’ve never been part of organized fight stuff.

bloodletting wolf.2837:

In Elite:Dangerous people who combat log and get caught either get suspended or get banished to a shadow server where they only get to play with npc’s. In addition if you log out legitimately your ship is still there for 15 seconds so your enemy can still get the kill. I don’t know how hard it would be to implement something like that in WvW but it would be nice.

They already do something like this for when you log out normally or change toons. Try logging out right next to some npc’s coming against you in wvw (used to get this a couple of times with the skritt in the alpine BL at NWC). You log out or swap toon, just as the skritt come and attack you. Log back in and your toon is dead at some random place in tyria.

The problem is when people uses other means than “log out” or “change character”. The “Leave the Mists” button on the WvW panel does not follow the same rules as the others.

Also daily Obsidian Sanctuary JP gives some Badges, forgot 10-15 ? (someone please correct me on the number).

Nooooo! They ruined WvW’s best and most persistent gold income!!!

The best way to solve this would be to make a persistent server map, similar to HotM. That would always be available, and technically a WvW map, connected just to your server. (With some services and portals to LA, and to the other WvW maps etc, basically a HUB map).

loging into the actual wvw maps is most likely going to be way too complicated to execute, even if you did reset it every week reset. Just imagine all your alts being kicked out because you changed color on Reset, and you have to log through all your alts to find places for them again. At the very least it would have to be at spawn.

Agreed with Dawdler.

If you’re going to change the Outnumbered buff to affect the numbers game, you should at least leave things un-affected in a 5vs5 fight.

I’ve suggested before to change so that if you’re outnumbered, your skills affect more targets (7-10 targets), carry more supplies, and use supplies faster etc. Outnumbered should get bonuses to defending (somehow), and to reduce some of the advantage a larger group has by target saturation (because of the 5 target max limit).

But in general, ANet is not going to implement anything that gives an actual advantage in a fight of equal numbers. a 1vs1, or 5vs5 or 10vs10 should be fair.

Xillllix.3485:

I spent a bit of time thinking about it today and took a decision. I’m gonna go “super casual” until the overhaul is released, maybe pvp sometimes.

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Going the same direction myself. Going to completely skip WvW outside of perhaps raid nights every now and then. And rather focus on trying other things. Dungeons are starting to sound fun compared to roaming in WvW.

Sad to hear it, I know the feeling, been there plenty of times myself. Don’t know if it will help, but the chances are that you will get rid of us in the next match-up, and either get BP or FC again, no idea how much difference it will make.

Bronze in general is so depopulated that the match can literally be decided by a dedicated 5 man group. If 5 people decide to go and grab PPT outside of prime time, it can really swing the match.

Ah well, been tired of the entire wvw lately myself, so at least I’m innocent of pestering you guys.

Looking forward to see a rotation system myself. Every other week Alpine/Desert would be interesting. Can imagine one week with lots of roaming, and another week with massive EBG queue’s, but I think that could be interesting in its own way.

Would also love to see a mix rotation with 2-1 of each BL, change every week. Would definitively let us try each BL against each others and see how people liked each etc.

Really hope they do one of those. I like bits of the DesertBL, but not all, and I also miss Alpine being the map I used to play the most on.

Most of all wish they removed the HomeBL system, so Alpine and Desert could be played similar to EBG, so they could add a Mp system to add and remove maps depending on the population. That way we could have EBG map only when we got like total 15 players top from all 3 servers online, or 3+ maps at reset with 400+ players etc (if that ever happens).

The daily chests gives a good bit of Badges, also Obsidian Sanctuary gives about 10-15 badges per day.

The +5 should be a default aura that gets automatically unlocked with the claiming option, that you can’t turn off.

It’s the one everyone want, that is required for WvW game mode, and the main problem with troll claims (people claiming without the +5 buff).

This way any claim is a good claim for the +5, so troll claiming would be 99% (or so) negated. And WvW guilds would feel they got a use out of claiming from the start.

Still haven’t heard about a single other upgrade we really need or have a use for.

* turn on/off
* move the placement
* make them appear on the right side notifications with the personal story and daily stuff

any or all of those would be nice.

The only way I could see this idea work, is if is tied to having a player sitting babysitting an objective for the bonus. Otherwise you end up with epic point slides during off times etc. But yeah, people sitting babysitting the capture ring would be pretty boring.

Might as well tie points to objectives held by a player, welcome to the Camp Wars. I think that would have been boring.

Agreed that I’d love to see gliding in wvw/desert map specifically.

Suspect that having something in a supposedly "competitive" mode that others can’t access, is probably one of the reasons we will never see it happen. Pity, would have been the best sales trick to get wvw’ers to buy HoT.

I have no idea if they are working on another map or not, if they did that might be the case. Though I’d guess at a Jungle/Swamp themed before snow, since we already have (had) Alpine for that.

What we might see in the near future is them trying to create a rotation of BL maps, as they have mentioned wanting to do earlier. Just no clue how they are going to solve it with only 2 BL maps. Probably something like every other week 3 alpine/desert.

Would love to see them dare to change it up with 2/1 alpine/desert or other way, so we got both maps in play at the same time.

(Obligatory note: that I personally hope they move away from the whole "Home" map system, and change the maps up to work more like EBG, so they can add in as many or few maps as they want for the population, without creating any mess with homeland advantages.)

@Snoring Sleepwalker:

I’m hoping they do something along those lines, but we will just have to see.

Personally I’m tired of the entire "home borderland" system, and forcing us to use 3 maps for that. And would rather see the maps being slightly re-adjusted for working more similar to EBG, so you could throw in variable numbers of them. Say EBG+AlpineBL+DesertBL. Only 3 maps, but at least down here in bronze we can’t even fill EBG, so why do we need more maps ?

@Daddar: Problem with that idea is that it creates the mentality: "You get off the map or we get the debuff !!!"

ANet will never move in a direction that makes you negative toward having more players on your side/map. It is one of their core principles for the game.

Don’t remember the exact wording, but they said something along the lines of:

"We want to bring back the Alpine map later, perhaps for a tournament/season, or for a set rotation. We haven’t quite decided yet on how to solve it."

That was more or less the gist of it, someone else can search up the actual quote (I’m to lazy and need to head for bed).

Like this, especially fond of 3+4. Wasn’t annoyed by 1+2 in particular, but I’ve seen plenty of others that will love those changes. Will miss full upgraded camps everywhere

Just correcting numbers. Tyria has 189 HP, if you add on Silver Wastes, Dry Top, the WvW maps, and home instance Krait obelisk (if you don’t have it ask someone that has it to party you and let you into their instance).

For a total of: 214 HP outside of HoT. Even if you gather 200 of those, that is 80% of all the HP you need for a Spez. And once you get gliding you can get at least 5 HP challenges with channeling.

Grabbing all the HP in tyria is tedious and boring, totally agree on that. Just pointing out the numbers, and that is is possible to do it fairly easy, and solo. I actually leveled my Revenant doing this, running around grabbing all the HP on all maps.

Against this on a pure "let them play where they want" perspective.

I don’t think the idea itself is bad, it could be one way of "gating" fights, which I think could be a good idea. But forcing players to play on BL or EBG when they don’t want to is bad.

Indeed sad to see this map so abandoned, looks and feels like a great map to fight in. Started doing it daily for the WvW Badges (ran out after started buying wvw gear now that they can be salvaged), and the only people I’ve seen are a couple of guys running for the Ori nodes, panicking and WP away when they see me.

Much sad, I’m very nice, don’t bite. Don’t even attack people unless attacked first!

(1) Used to be about 5-15 active in wvw every day, these days 3-6 I guess.

(2) Not really, we have a few with MF, XP, move speed etc. Mostly stopped claiming stuff.

(3) Don’t really know, I took a look over the GH upgrades/requirements/costs and went "No kittening way!" and ignored it. Others in guild are working on it, and at level 22 I think. We’re a far way from level 37 for the +5, and we’re horrible at farming so it’s going to take ages.

(4) In general my guild mates have been in other areas of the game to farm materials and things we need, and thus spending less time in WvW. Find my guildies more often in SilveWastes than in WvW. Specific, I spent 30 minutes in SW trying to help guild farm shovels, but I fell asleep.

(5) Both and, I like parts of both systems myself. I especially like that the +5 will be a permanent upgrade, no need to stack a bunch of extras all the time. And it is nice to have the guild hall to meet up and such. I just think the order of upgrades are completely nuts, and the costs are crazy. It has impacted my guild specifically by making about half the players just ignore it an go do other stuff, and the other half grinds instead of playing actively wvw.

(6) Just one?! Ok, Change the humongous costs of mats and other items in the game away from mats and items that are already desired for everything else, and into items that are not wanted, not popular. So these items finally have a use, and we don’t have to cripple ourselves in every other meaningful way just to upgrade the GH.

Example, Most of the mats required for crafting ascended mats are needed for GH in huge quantities. Where you could make use of other things that is less desired or have no clear usage right now. I vote for "Spikes" for WvW upgrades.

Swagger.1459:

Really, why?

Guessing because of the rage there would be, if the WvW was promised an new map and didn’t get one on HoT Release.

More proofs from the normal rank up chests, none from the bonus chests (1-3 on win or loss match-up).

All in all if you play lots of WvW you gain more proofs.

If you only jump in to leech off the bonus chests, you get less.

+1

Loving just about everything you’ve said so far.

Read through this entire thread, and still can’t find anything to discuss, and I can’t find anywhere the OP actually described what he wanted/is talking about.

I can only sum this entire thread up as a troll, and not return.

Sirendor.1394:

joneirikb.7506:

Camps are split in two. Some are ok with this, and others really like being able to fine tweak minor stats by changing 1-2 trinkets or armor pieces etc.

Personally been for it for a long time. completely ignoring the entire ascended grind, cost of upgrades and armors etc with the income level of wvw. Having the freedom to swap around and try things as you wish etc.

I’d love to see the Amulet split into 2 parts myself. So get get some options for customizing stats and mixing sets a bit more, but probably wouldn’t need more splitting than that. Obviously some will disagree with me over my opinion.

Also, it would remove uplevels from WvW.

1- I hate grinding gear or being bound to buying expensive runes so my build works.
2- What if there could still be fine-tuning?

Example: allow people to mix and match their standard armor (just forget trinkets) instead of using an amulet. So then you could still in theory pick 6 different armour stats at the same time. This is similar to your amulet split idea

3- No uplevels: great! Then we at least leveled the playing field there.

#2: If we’re going into that, I’d much rather have weapons and armors remove their stats, and link all stats into Trinkets. Make it simple, Weapon=damage, Armor=Armor, Trinkets=Stats. And while at it make own slots for sigils and runes, so I don’t have to link them up to weapons or armors. But that is going to cause the legendary owners to kill me, and most of the WvW crowd would send me mail bombs for removing a few extra tweakable stats on their spreadsheets.

Someone pointed out before that the main impact on the economy was the non "Berserker" items :p So yes almost every other set would probably dump in price. Same with sigils and runes other than the ones used for maximising damage.

WvW is currently the aspect that uses the most stat diversity (Well, don’t know how Raid’s do yet, but it sounds pretty damage heavy so far). So moving over to the PvP system would most likely make anything not-zerk useless/worthless in the economy.

If they where willing to make some changes to the PVP system, giving you a more limited start selection of stats. You could have to buy out more stat sets by buying them from the open market, in order to unlock them for the system. An example would be to buy a full set of soldiers armor to unlock Amulet1, and a full set of trinkets to unlock Amulet2.

It would still be a single buy to unlock, and preferably account bound, but it would add some economical worth to the system and work fairly similar to the current system. Except that we don’t have to save multiple armors/weapons/trinkets, with different runes and sigils etc.

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The main loses from going from the PVE to PVP system:
* Customize stats
* Loss of food/utility
* Losing feeling of accomplishment/advancement (leveling/gearing)

First can be easily solved by splitting up amulets in multiple parts, I’d prefer 2, could agree to 3. More than that and it just becomes impractical.

I was never a fan of food/util in the first place, I can see the use for them, but just hate the mechanic with durations. But removing it does take away some options for customization, personally I’d just be glad to see it gone, unless they redesign how food/util works.

Third, I never really felt this was something important to WvW, it definitively is for PvE etc but WvW was always more about larger objects like the server, guild, goals, objectives etc. WvW was never a quest for yourself, but for everyone to work together. So I feel the "accomplishment" should be in the working together as a server part. And the "advancement" should be more in how your server/guild does (or how good a roamer you are, scout etc).

/rant

Camps are split in two. Some are ok with this, and others really like being able to fine tweak minor stats by changing 1-2 trinkets or armor pieces etc.

Personally been for it for a long time. completely ignoring the entire ascended grind, cost of upgrades and armors etc with the income level of wvw. Having the freedom to swap around and try things as you wish etc.

I’d love to see the Amulet split into 2 parts myself. So get get some options for customizing stats and mixing sets a bit more, but probably wouldn’t need more splitting than that. Obviously some will disagree with me over my opinion.

Also, it would remove uplevels from WvW.

PopeUrban.2578:

My idea map is the new desert borderlands, only with people in them. The new mechanics are fun and make for interesting fights in stead of the same boring tactics everywhere on the map.

Just curious about this part. I would love to see them try this, take Alpine, remove every single NPC (arguable inside spawns), and just put it out there as one map next to Desert map. Would love to see how the population of those two maps would go over a couple of months.

By remove every NPC I mean, all guards in all camps, towers, keeps. Including the lords or supervicers, All green, white, red creatures of all types on the map completely. Keep a single repair anvil (not an npc!) in the spawns. So you would be certain if you saw something move it is either a Dolyak or a player. Would be too weird to remove dolyaks.

Personally I would most likely be bored as heck on such a map, but I would love to see how the population in general would react to getting it, and how they would play it, and how many who would stick to it or go to another map.

Just a thought for QoL: Have the tablet summoned on swapping to Centaur, have it follow you until you command it somewhere, and commanding it again makes it return to you.

Would lose some sweeping options, but make your position more important. And us lazy people could just stick it to our back and jam them buttons.

+1 from me, just what I’ve been preaching last year

You can also add map instancing, so if there is a queue, make an extra copy of the map with the queue. Instantly solved the problems with too many people on a server as well.

*crosses fingers for queensdale*

ArchonWing.9480:

Well the thing here is a lot of the strategy goes out the window.

“We gotta target their t3 tower; it’ll break their upgrades and waste their resources and time! And hold it for a tick! Then we can use this location to lay siege to their keep! O”

“Which one? All of them are T3!”

I think when things come too easily, they start to slowly lose meaning. I certainly don’t oppose auto upgrades entirely because you should be rewarded for holdings things for a long time. It’s just that the definition of long time doesn’t seem very long. The way it happens so fast and killing dolyaks seems to only slow it a bit just makes the whole process feel very tedious.

IMO, an issue of tuning.

Agree with this.

If the AutoUpgrade timer was much longer, those Dolyak’s start looking mighty tempting. If the time was long enough that it could take day(s) to get to full T3, then it would be important for players to defend to ever see it upgraded.

Don’t know how long that timer should be though. Just don’t set it to a week long, so we “maybe” get to see a T3 tower at end of week. :p

Don’t remember, but I seem to recall I was able to get all the mats I needed to buy from those two. Do you really need the others to buy crafting mats ? If not then that is possibly why.

Suggestion:

Move stats away from weapons and armor (keep just the weapon damage, and armor ratings). Move *all* the stat bonuses into the trinkets.

Weapons = damage + sigils + skin
Armor = Armor + runes + skin
Trinkets = Stats

If you want to change stats, you can change trinkets, if you want to change runes you can change armor set etc.

Makes it easier to adapt stats to a situation, as each trinket will have a larger impact on the stat total, and you need fewer pieces of trinkets to adapt with.

Main disadvantage is that you get slightly less fine tuning over stats, but I can’t really see that will be much problem (You’ll still have 6 pieces of trinkets, each with a tri stat combination, to mix as you wish).

"PariahX"

Would only one WvW EB map with zero borderlands be enough at this point?

My post wasn’t about making *1* map, just saying that I don’t think the "home map" system works that well, and that EBG already does it better.

I *am* however strongly advocating having a *dynamic* amount of maps, that self adjusts for the active population at any given time. So it could be 1-5 maps depending on the amount of players. And make either 1 or 2 maps "persistent" so upgrades last etc, the rest can be collapsed.

Example: EBG, Alpine, Desert, EBG, Alpine, Desert, EBG.........

"ArchonWing"

Does anyone see more than 2 maps queued these days?

Sorry, I couldn’t resist, it is after all becoming a Kaineng tradition!

"What’s a queue? Is that edible!"

Home Borderland Defense: This is your corner of EBG.

Already before the new maps, I’ve seen more people invested in defending up their corner of EBG than the Alpine Home BL. This works much better than the Home Borderland anyways, since it creates a dynamic and changing battlefront, with defenders to fall back to. Instead of chasing people off the map.

I’ve been a Borderland roamer for 90%+ of my time in WvW, and even I say "Don’t ******* mess with EBG!".

MithranArkanere.8957:

joneirikb.7506:

Make one pure PVP map with NO npc’s or AI’s at all, not even a lord on a cap circle or a siegerazer, heck lets even skip services, people can go to ebg for that.

That’s called Obsidian Sanctum.

Considering how little action there is in OS, I guess it would need something to make itself relevant for the Match-up. Some way of gaining points, that you would have to fight for, so people actually want to go there.

EBG + *1* Borderland, cycle between Desert and Alpine each week. Will give those that are sick of one a weeks free to build up for next week.

Enough for all tiers now and don’t mess with the single most popular map.

+1, For Train-wrecks!

And this is just why I’ve been advocating multiple *different* maps for a while now.

Make one pure PVP map with NO npc’s or AI’s at all, not even a lord on a cap circle or a siegerazer, heck lets even skip services, people can go to ebg for that.

And make one map like the one MithranArkanere.8957 suggest above.

Instant magic! People can go do what they want when they want it ! Poor Jim won’t have to see a single NPC again in his life, and you can still pull some new pve’ers into the other map to start learning about wvw.

Instead of saying that the *entire* WvW Must be A or B, make it A+B+C+D and make it so you can pick how you want to play. Instead of being stuck with 3 identical maps, that used to be semi-poor-rip-offs of EBG, and now is semi-poor-rip-offs of Maguma.

No wonder the Dev’s can’t figure out what the players wants, no single player agrees on any single thing.

/rant
/vent-frustration
/zen

From the look of things, you can Havoc on almost any tier (Not T8) as long as you stay in EBG. Roaming seems to be difficult if you want to meet enemy players, as in roaming in EBG can get tricky (This works in T8).

Honestly, stay put and wait this situation out. At the moment no one knows just what is going to happen, or how much life will return or not to which servers etc.