I stat I would like to see is what percentage of people running around with a Legendary actually ‘earned’ it without flipping items in the TP. The two and a half I have where not from drops (the best drop I have gotten since beta was an ascended armor chest), but from crafting exotic armor for profit before ascended armor ruined that market.
I feel pretty safe stating that 0% of Legendary weapons were created using absolutely no interaction with the trading post.
That’s not what I am asking. Clearly you will buy some of your ingredients, and sell your unneeded drops, but I am talking about flipping for profit. Buying things you don’t need just for speculation. When I was crafting, I was making on average 50g a day. Now, I have less than 20g in my wallet. Ascended bankrupted me in many ways.
I am pretty sure that you also bought the mats for your exotic crafting on the Trading Post. There is pretty little difference in flipping and crafting for profit, except crafting is a little more complicated. And most tp players dont make their bulk of profit with flipping, they do it with speculation, crafting, salvaging and forging, just like you did.
That I have to agree, crafting is just complicated flipping. Since it’s not like there isn’t a million armor crafter out there.
The way I see it is this. I can pretty much ask in every single mmorpg forum out there and no one will say flipping is a problem in their game. And just about every mmorpg have flipping. So I’m pretty sure it isn’t that hard to design the game so people “wont’ complain about flipping”.
And “Anet trying to sell legendary in cash shop” isn’t a good excuse, because the thousands of cash shop games out there, no players are complaining about flipping too.
It’s similar to the topic about “skipping” in the dungeon forum. Many people are arguing about “weather skipping is ok or not”. But if Anet just design their dungeon so it isn’t skippable, that topic wont’ even come up.
Why would they add more content if when they add it people don’t play it (TA Aether) and many others seem happy doing the same thing over and over (Queensdale Champ train), it’s easier for them to focus on the gemstore plus people keep buying things so they don’t have a real problem, people who want new content (a minority) have it.
I would like new content too, but if we don’t vote with our wallets they won’t do a kitten.
It’s the reward or progression system. Which isn’t there in GW2.
Other games just give you better stats gear for new dungeon, or give more rewards for higher tier dungeon.
That dont’ happen in GW2, even if they make new dungeon more rewarding, people will just buy it from path seller anyway.
It’s the way the reward system is design. Which probably isn’t easy to change because of the overall GW2 design.
we actually have living world. so we do get update often.
wow have raid though, kind of difficulty and time gate players. So that keep the pve players busy for quite a while.
The only way for it to be profit is with organized group.
Which very few bother with GW2 dungeon, since the dungeon isn’t even difficult enough that you’ll want to do organized group like other raiding game.
So basically I did the dungeon twice, and people’s response is usually never again.
Gotta agree with the WvW thing. Was in WvW for 2hrs, ended up with 88 Dragonite Ore sticking with zerg.
well if you dont’ like wvw, that’s 10 hours of unhappy time just to get something you want.
my advice is make sure to do karka queen every day. 5 minutes for 30 piece.
One could question why you would even want/need Dragonite, if you are as casual as you say, seeing as the gear is only needed in high-level Fractals which you basically don’t have enough time to do anyway.
well casual by playing style. hardcore by greediness.
people want stuff, it happens.
I wouldn’t imagine people are so vein(care about cosmetic), until I started playing GW2.
50% of the people vote their favorite thing about the feature patch is the wardrobe, and maybe a bunch other is on dye. That being said, beside megaserver there isn’t much else in the content patch, and many people probably dont’ even like it.
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So i guess pve dragonite farming died with the megaserver update
. Guess i’ll have to try wvw then, but i have no id what to do there :d.
Wait you realty did not explain why megaserver killed dragonite farming there is a set time that these mobs pop and now there are going to be ppl to fight these mobs (before there was no one to fight these mobs and you had to solo the bosses). If any thing megaserver make farming these events easier for ppl.
before, it took 1 hours for me to do say 3 temple and 2 dragon, since I can just look at the api and server hop.
Other people experience the same thing. Most people can manage pretty much every event in 3 hours, now it take 6 hours.
For me, it is more about temple since I only farm event for dragonite ore, there is no timer for that. And for other people farming events because of loot or they just like doing event, they’ll have to wait for event to start/finish. Before they can just look at api and see which one is starting.
That only if your there at the right time to do these temple if you missed them you often would not get the temples at all. It was a boon or bust with no in-between now there is an in-between.
that’s what api is for. since you have 3 server to choose from, you know which one to go.
The temples(orr event) right now isn’t even on a timer. So it’s not like what you say matter.
Even with the mega server system, you wont’ know what the right time is too. Since non of the orr event is on a timer, only “the other ones are”.
Pretty much everyone have a harder time farming dragonite ore. So it is harder. Maybe you are just the odd person that find it easier, because you dont’ know what api is, or choose not to use it before.
So i guess pve dragonite farming died with the megaserver update
. Guess i’ll have to try wvw then, but i have no id what to do there :d.
Wait you realty did not explain why megaserver killed dragonite farming there is a set time that these mobs pop and now there are going to be ppl to fight these mobs (before there was no one to fight these mobs and you had to solo the bosses). If any thing megaserver make farming these events easier for ppl.
before, it took 1 hours for me to do say 3 temple and 2 dragon, since I can just look at the api and server hop.
Other people experience the same thing. Most people can manage pretty much every event in 3 hours, now it take 6 hours.
For me, it is more about temple since I only farm event for dragonite ore, there is no timer for that. And for other people farming events because of loot or they just like doing event, they’ll have to wait for event to start/finish. Before they can just look at api and see which one is starting.
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I just wait very patiently. They change color eventually. That’s all it matters.
It only take a few minutes to do them anyway. As long as you own the keep/tower.
I kind of like timed gate.
Rather than grinding for 10 hours straight, developer reminded you we only allow you to play for 1 hours, please go take a rest.
I used to get them a lot easier when there’s API for orr. Now it is hard to know when the temple is up so a bit harder to get them.
I crafted a set of armor and maybe 10 weapon? and start having shortage of dragonite orr. The mega server change, makes it much harder for me as I dont’ do much eotm.
It depend how you play the game.
Many people enjoy GW2 because it is casual. But at the same time, there are just as much if not more people complaining about grinding in GW2.
Many people just start pointing to other games and call them grindy, but I can tell you there are just as much if not more people complaining on the GW2 forum.
People call GW2 casual because the grind is “more optional”, but if you want those “more optional” items, there are just as much grind.
I think the difference is people actually complain.
Sure every game have flipping. But people felt like to complain on the GW2 forum and not else where.
Most other games don’t have a dedicated forum for the trading post, so any complaints they would have would be instantly buried on the forum whereas here they stay at the top and thus appear to be more common. I’ve been a pretty avid forumgoer for all the MMOs I’ve played, I don’t notice a difference in the number of complaints here compared to other games, they are just easier to find.
I’m quite a game addict, and probalby spend more time arguing on the forum because of my bad personality.
But honestly, I can’t find any mmorpg that have that many people complain about flipping beside gw2 and diablo 3. Maybe you can try name me a few, and find me topics on those forum, so I can check it.
I even asked on other mmorpg forum, and people just say no they dont’ complain there, and people here syas yes they complain here. I’ll try ask on mmorpg.com, maybe i’ll get more feedback.
I think other games do have people complain a bunch about economy, but usually it is not related flipping.
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I think the difference is people actually complain.
Sure every game have flipping. But people felt like to complain on the GW2 forum and not else where.
Anet should promote dungeon selling by making token or dungeon master title sellable.
That’ll ease the problem for everyone.
I think someone suggested account bound on items you bought of trading post. I think John Smith’s response is the system is quite annoying.
I think there are other suggestion such as making “final goods” for example event skins account bound after you purchased, quite similar but a bit less annoying ,
keep it going Tolunart, tell people GW2 got the best economy in the game.
And how other game sucks.
Thanx for giving me permission to continue expressing my opinion on a subject. That really means a lot to me.
i’d like you to point me to the rift forum where people are complaining about flipping there.
Flipping in Rift is definitely done; they even have an addon (Called BananAH) that will automatically search their auction house for any items below a certain percentage of what the current resale value is (think of it like a built in GW2Spidy that searches the ENTIRE TP for items below what their current resale value is automatically) and it will list all those items allowing you to buy them and relist them.
But it IS a different economy. For one thing, all good gear is Soulbound, and is either from quest rewards, Raids, dungeons, or “Deeps Lock Boxes” purchased off their Gem Store. The stuff you pick up out in the world and can buy/sell/trade would be equivalent to our “Green” items.
As far as mats go though, people flip those all the time. The addon makes it so simply though, that pretty much anyone can do it (and many do).
I think several people point out already, I even said it myself. People only choose to complain on the GW2 forum. If everyone is happy on the GW2 forum, people wont’ be complaining.
I even said if SAB skins were purple instead of yellow we probably wont’ have this conversation myself.
maybe rift need to charge people for server transfer. Ingenious solution.
It continues the rich tradition in these forums of offering solutions to problems that don’t exist by creating more problems.
ok merge the trading post like gw2 does.
hey at least i dont’ think you are a gw2 fanboy any more. You think gw2 charging people to transfer is a problem.
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Maybe people there are just dumb so they dont’ bother complaining. Just saying people “dont’ complain” there.
It’s the part where I ask you if people complain there, and from memory your answer is a maybe or something. Regardless of what happened, people don’t choose to complain there but choose to complain on the GW2 forum.
I’ve never seen an MMO forum where people aren’t complaining about something.
It has nothing to do with being dumb, the nature of the market in Rift means that most players do not have any information to compare… here, you always see what the highest bid/lowest sale price is for a given item on any server.
In Rift, oak logs could cost 20g on server A and 4g on server B. A player on server A doesn’t think it’s unusual because they always cost around 20g. If he knew other players could buy them for 4g, do you think he would be upset that he’s been giving away money to someone who buys them on server B then transfers to server A to sell them to him?
maybe rift need to charge people for server transfer. Ingenious solution.
The only way ANet could make playing the game more rewarding than playing the TP would be to make end-game content with highly desired items that are so difficult to obtain (but reliably obtainable) that only a select few people can obtain them and then everyone else purchases them from those players.
As a hypothetical idea:
- Dungeon that requires 100 AR to even enter or you die and are ejected
- One team wipe = Ejected
- Bosses that are randomized and/or hyper-difficult requiring utmost timing precision and coordination
- Dungeon time limits
- Every mob respawns, meaning you have to keep moving or get murdered from lingeringHonestly, this sounds like more of a request for the content team than the TP team.
this is a great idea.. but those rewards Need to be FIX not RNG and they should be accountbound.. the Point in Special rewards is that they are Special and People can’t buy em with Gold.
They don’t Need to Change the TP they just Need to Change the game so there are Special Skins that are only avaiable to pve/ pvpers so rewards that Show you have done high end Content and not that you have spent 6k Gold to get it:) (Liadri / SAB Tribunal weapons ) are an example:)
ya maybe if SAB skins have purple text, that’ll solve the problem. Which is a lol solution.
all good, just saying I dont’ think people are complaining about flipping there. At least I dont’ think nearly as much. Even though you clearly think flipping is much worse in that game compare to GW2.
I don’t think you ever really understood what I was talking about. Their system is completely different from GW2, and much easier to manipulate. Most people play on one server so they don’t know what the prices for items there are like compared to other servers.
You can transfer servers for free in Rift (unlike GW2, SWTOR, WoW…) so it’s incredibly easy to make a lot of money by buying items on one server for cheap then transferring to another server where you sell them for a huge markup. The nature of GW2’s TP makes this impossible because every server feeds into the same TP.
Ignorance is bliss – if you don’t know the oak logs you bought for 20g each came from a different server where the seller bought them for 4g each, you think you got a good deal. If you knew the seller was making 5x what he paid for them, you might be a little upset about that.
On the other hand, here people complain about flippers making a 20% profit from player impatience instead of a 400% profit in other games.
Maybe people there are just dumb so they dont’ bother complaining. Just saying people “dont’ complain” there.
It’s the part where I ask you if people complain there, and from memory your answer is a maybe or something. Regardless of what happened, people don’t choose to complain there but choose to complain on the GW2 forum.
Or the statistic dont’ matter. Since your opinion is only 5 people is complaining on the GW2 forum so it don’t matter. SO maybe the 0-1 person complaining there dont’ matter too.
maybe the other guy is right. Maybe GW2 players are more self entitled so people only complain here.
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keep it going Tolunart, tell people GW2 got the best economy in the game.
And how other game sucks.
Thanx for giving me permission to continue expressing my opinion on a subject. That really means a lot to me.
i’d like you to point me to the rift forum where people are complaining about flipping there.
I haven’t played Rift in over a year. I have no idea what the current topics of conversation there might be. I have posted about my personal experiences there, I don’t care, not even a little bit, how you feel about it.
all good, just saying I dont’ think people are complaining about flipping there. At least I dont’ think nearly as much. Even though you clearly think flipping is much worse in that game compare to GW2.
heck, I even see more people complaining about grinding in GW2 compare to korean grinder forums.
LOL yeah, “grindiest game evah!” OMG, I get a chance for loot from every enemy I tag, even if someone else tagged it first, and I can harvest any node even if someone else just harvested it themselves. You practically get rewarded just for being in the same area with dozens of other players beating up world bosses and you get loot just for running around the different maps.
The grind in this game is awful, it takes MINUTES to do anything…
ya how ironic. I dont’ understand why people dont’ complain on the korean grinder forum, but complain here.
Obviously they also complain in other games, but it’s just funny there is just as much if not more people complaining about grinding on the GW2 forum.
keep it going Tolunart, tell people GW2 got the best economy in the game.
And how other game sucks.
Thanx for giving me permission to continue expressing my opinion on a subject. That really means a lot to me.
i’d like you to point me to the rift forum where people are complaining about flipping there.
Like i said you keep talking about entitlement, its not about wanting something for nothing, its about wanting something for actually doing something.
You do get something for doing something (more often than not, a large amount of reward if you have any idea what you are doing). You want more, fine, that more comes with elite level content then. Which people will qq about, again due to the excessive self entitlement we see in this games consumerbase.
You also have a very odd notion with regards to what constitutes “winning”. Having more gold does not see you beating the likes of rT or DnT at pve, it does not see you beating the top GvG teams or the top spvp teams. It sees you able to buy some vanity items a bit faster, wow, gamebreaking.
well for what ever reason, you do agree people dont’ complain in other games but only in gw2 right.
heck, I even see more people complaining about grinding in GW2 compare to korean grinder forums.
keep it going Tolunart, tell people GW2 got the best economy in the game.
And how other game sucks.
It’s like the people telling me how terrible other games economy is. And how he flips much easier there. And apparently I went to that game and asked no one is complaining about flipping.
I think there’s some truth. In other games you can’t just buy the “best gear in the game”. So people probably complain less about flipping, eventhough flipping occurs there too.
But again, I also played a bunch of game where you can buy the best reward, still no one complains about flipping there. Maybe the buy order system just helps flippers too much here since there is a bunch of lazy people who just try to sell item as fast as possible, or they just dont’ care.
i only have 15.4 million karma and 500 obsidian shard. I hope I can have more gold.
Of course it’s worth it. he made 2 legendary and give him money for 3 legendary skin.
It would cost him karma anyway if he made he made juggernaut himself.
i made 3 legendary weapons and still have 7milion karma. but if i want to make 4th i will still consider karma farming and map completion is more boring and time consuming than gold farming so would not give away 2milion karma and my map completion gift for 1750g which i can make in 2 months(max) without wasting my karma.
as for skins well this is problem with fake wardrobe he runs around with them while he is actually does not have legendary gs, happens in gw2 only
if the topic is about weather legendary is worth it or not you got a point.
I think the point of the topic is spending 2 legendary worth for 3 legendary skin.
aka, well legendary probably not worth it. But he spend 2 million karma for 3 skins, while you on the other hand, spend 3 million karma for 3 skins.
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On the toolpick it says it boost karma gain.
But when I did renown heart or random event it dont’ boost any karma gain.
i only have 15.4 million karma and 500 obsidian shard. I hope I can have more gold.
Of course it’s worth it. he made 2 legendary and give him money for 3 legendary skin.
It would cost him karma anyway if he made he made juggernaut himself.
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I did a lvl72 renown quest which have a base karma reward of 615.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Renown_Heart
With 15% karama amulet, and 15% karma from guild +6% from achievement, my final karama reward is 836.
But I have a birthday booster on. So apparently, birthday booster don’t boost karma gain?
i honestly have mixed feeling.
The thing is “just like someone said before”. Flipping makes it possible for “some” people to enjoy the game without farming till their eyes are red.
I’m able to afford what I have now with some investment so I won’t need to grind “another” 1000 hours.
no one cares if there is 8 million leather on the trading post. but i think most people care that they can’t afford silk.
No one cared that there were 4 million silk scraps on the tp for vendor value in November either.
exactly. Are people just sadistic?
Oh items are cheap, let us complain and hope it’ll be expensive so people can’t afford nothing.
I’m much happier when silk is 8 copper instead of 1.97 silver
Good thing it is moved to the economy forum.
Now we just need some economist to tell people flipping is good, and other games have much worse economy than this game.
I’m sure the Rift forum is decked with people complaining about flipping too “just because someone said so”.
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ive played RO since 2004, on iRo and similar private servers with x1 x1 x2 and I can enshure you that GW2 grind is 99999999999999% more boring.
The guy speak the truth. I dont’ think GW2 is boring per se.
But if you try to grind in GW2, I can assure you it’s the most boring grind ever.
at least those korean grinders makes an effort to make grinding more fun.
well but like everyone says you dont’ have to grind.
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no one cares if there is 8 million leather on the trading post. but i think most people care that they can’t afford silk.
Exactly. What we need is more supply of t2-t4, not less supply of t5. It’s exactly the thinking OP proposes that led to the current prices of silk – we don’t need a repeat of that.
But if thick leather demand don’t go up. The flippers can’t flip thick leather.
Think of the flippers!
i think it was 50 silver because everyone is opening dye and sell it for 15 silver each.
if it went up all power to you. I have a bunch too.
Hey at least it’s not likely it’ll go down. Which is good with investment like this. It might take years for it to recover like a bunch of my investment.
GW2 is NOT a grindy game.
Yes to you it isn’t.
There are actually quite a bit of people think GW2 is one of the most grindy game ever. That’s just people’s opinion.
If GW2 take away the 1% optional grind, everyone will agree it’s not grindy, but apparently it’s there.
The thing is 99% of GW2 content isn’t grindy. It’s the rest 1% of them is “really” grindy.
I suppose the 1% of it is what people called “optional”.
And I played korean grinder. In fact a few of them I’m like one of the top 10 people on the server that reached max level.
For some reason I felt GW2 is more grindy. Which isn’t necessary a bad thing. Those 1% of the content can keep me busy for a while.
It’s not like they dont’ drop any more.
I thought they do not drop any more, am I wrong in that regard? (i.e. laurels or gemstore being the only sources for unidentified dye)
pretty sure I got a few from black lion chest recently. Maybe some one can confirm it. I have a short memory.
I’m not sure how much I hoarded. Maybe 1250?
It’s not like they dont’ drop any more. I’m pretty sure the black lion chest supplied more than enough of it to whoever that still need it.
I have similar experience in age of conan, I hoarded certain items, and I realize there just isn’t any influx of new players that will eat the supply.
Might be a while till it go up.
You need full ascended in order to be competitive in this game. It is a horrible, expensive grind. Just wait until you see legendary armor!
No, you don’t. Nobody genuinely knows or cares what your armour is unless you’re constantly faceplanting Arah story in nothing but your undies or something silly. Nobody is currently demanding that teammates ping their armour before pressing on with a dungeon, or WvW or any other part of the game.
Well, I prefer to maximize my effectiveness in WvW and refuse to be at a stat disadvantage against other players, so ascended is a must. If you don’t think gear matters, feel free to throw on some greens and do the content because gear doesn’t matter right?
I understand the min/max mentality that you have, as have seen it in lots of mmos, but there are tons of people in this game who do just fine and are very competitive in all phases of GW2 in ‘just’ exotic gear.
That’s your opinion, which is perfectly fine. I just dont’ know why you think people should agree with you since it’s just your opinion.
My bad, forgot to add ‘jmo’……. and I fail to see where I stated that I think that people should agree with me……please quote me on that so I can fix it, as I don’t intend that. This is a forum and everyone is just stating their opinions, myself included.
I dont’ think you necessary said that directly. You just said something like “some people are fine with exotic gear”. Which is non of my business if they felt that way, since I felt ascended is somewhat useful.
There probably still going to be stats point or skill points which you have to grind. Which is similar to leveling.
The only difference is there wont’ be mobs 1 shotting you because you are 10 level below.
You need full ascended in order to be competitive in this game. It is a horrible, expensive grind. Just wait until you see legendary armor!
No, you don’t. Nobody genuinely knows or cares what your armour is unless you’re constantly faceplanting Arah story in nothing but your undies or something silly. Nobody is currently demanding that teammates ping their armour before pressing on with a dungeon, or WvW or any other part of the game.
Well, I prefer to maximize my effectiveness in WvW and refuse to be at a stat disadvantage against other players, so ascended is a must. If you don’t think gear matters, feel free to throw on some greens and do the content because gear doesn’t matter right?
I understand the min/max mentality that you have, as have seen it in lots of mmos, but there are tons of people in this game who do just fine and are very competitive in all phases of GW2 in ‘just’ exotic gear.
That’s your opinion, which is perfectly fine. I just dont’ know why you think people should agree with you since it’s just your opinion.
I’ve gotta say… GW2 has the most casual (and FAST) leveling of any MMO I’ve played in the last decade. If you find this “painful” you may want to find another genre entirely.
You do remember gw2 was advertised as “if you’ve never played an mmo this is the one for you.”
Many people here dislike other mmo’s for that exact reason. Things take too long to get to what people actually want to play.
That is an interesting question and distinction.
Is the original post about the process of leveling itself? Examples of better rewards for leveling? Speed (compared to)? Other?
Or…is this about leveling as a concept? Meaning, you want to come in Call of Duty on day one, gear up, and play ‘the end game’?
I’d like to skip leveling altogether. Chase gears/chase traits but forget the leveling.
Or make it shorter. This is my first mmo, and I find leveling to be quite dull, it’s just not what I’m after in this game.But Guild Wars 2 is all about Exploration. And Exploration levels your character. I don’t know what you are after, but the zones of GW2 are beautiful, and exploring them is fun.
here’s the thing: I’ve already explored all of the zones, and some of them more than once across many alts. i have no reason to explor as much anymore. Now i just want to “play the way i want”, but I don’t really have that option anymore either.
Me too. I have done all the dungeons, all the world events. Might I add, some of the dungeon I have done hundreds of times too. Now I just want a legendary, Anet should just mail me a legendary. But I really dont’ have that option too.
Anyway, you can just buy your way to level80 with crafting. It isn’t even expensive compare to what I want.
I like to make my character look pretty. But I dont’ know why I need to chase gears.
Anet please send me legendary through my mail. Thank you.
It’s not nearly as grindy. But grinding in GW2 is probably more boring, because other games gives new dungeon, or new quest every few level. So there are always new things to do.
But at the same time, not content locking anything gives casual access to all the content, so it is probably by design.
If you are not crafting ascended gear, well, destroy them.
Never a good suggestion to destroy something that may have additional uses in the future. Like many people destroyed Transmutation Stones because they didn’t transmute level 1-79 items. Now they are full of regret.
you can keep it or destroy it “and” you can also whine on the forum, and “maybe” Anet will do something about it “which have a very low chance” since many people already told you why.
I think they might make more use for it, or make a wallet, but I highly doubt they’ll make it sellable on the trading post. But even that is a far fetch.
Please, they are always open to suggestions. They listened to me when I told them about their language chat filter should be disabled in Edge of the Mists.
Listing empyreal, dragonite, and bloodstone on Trading Post is certainly not unreasonable because like I said, they are common items. Do you really think completing world events is really some sort of massive achievement and that dragonite is such a precious material that it should be account bound. No way, you ported to a waypoint and waited 10 min to have a zerg kill a big boss with you. You are the best player ever and you deserve to have that dragonite all to yourself…. wait a minute… everyone in the zerg got a bunch of dragonite too. Cool! Let’s all get more dragonite till our bags overflow. We can do so many things with dragonite! Not!
it’s such a useless item maybe you should just destroy it.
People already told you why anet make an extravagent number of currency. Else they can just reward gold for everything. It’s a way to persuade people to try out the various content they have.
I honestly dont’ care if dragonite can be sellable on the trading post. I just think it’s unlikely Anet will do it. Else why even bother to have so much currency.
. Guess i’ll have to try wvw then, but i have no id what to do there :d.
