Guild Wars 2

Hyper Cutter.9376:

Kasmeer can also blink across gaps, yet another thing we can’t do for no real reason.

Actually I am rather sure we can. If the gap is short enough.

Teofa Tsavo.9863:

Optional content. Temporary content. It never blocked entry to a permanent zone.
But don’t let facts dissuade you.

Oh, so it is suddenly more okay when you HAVE TO RUSH IT in order to not miss the content due to it going away. But when you can spend months or even years to learn exactly how do to it it is not okay? That really makes no sense whatsoever.

And the fact remains, the content in Dry Top is exactly as optional as the content in Cutthroat Politics, and more optional than the PERMANENT Personal Story that requires jumping.

I think it is a rather important thing that it actually takes place where it does. And therefore that is the reason as to why it takes place there.

SunShine.7315:

Though I still think it is quite absurd how Arenanet would not make a way to earn the right to achieve the 50 points required in the actual game instead of having to go back and buy an old game just to acquire rewards in the newer game, just make up an equal hard grindfest in gw2 to appeal for new players not to feel like they are less worthy of arenanets attention. Dont get the big deal with the original gw players having to get special treatment.

Because us original GW players made it possible to make this game in the first place?
And the fact that they made it clear before release that the items gained in the HoM will be available only via HoM.

sadatoni.6524:

We need reasonbly priced gems. They’re more than double of what they were a year ago.

Oh?
I might have missed something but when I checked yesterday 800 gems did cost €10 which is exactly the same as they did cost back at release almost two years ago.

You did get an email with your serial back when you purchased the game.

Djinn.9245:

The big difference between a normal MMO expansion and the LS is that a normal MMO expansion continues to exist in the world. It becomes part of the overall MMO world where the LS content mostly is just gone as the story progresses. Don’t get me wrong – I am not one of the people who go through content so fast that I’m waiting around between LS updates. But I recognize that there are people like that.

But is that really a valid argument now, when LS2 will be permanent? Sure it could have worked with LS1, but nowadays when stuff will be permanent it doesn’t really work.

darkace.8925:

The difference between telling the player base they’re going to do a better job communicating with them and letting half a year come and go without so much as a word on missed deadlines is also miles apart.

You mean the “missed deadlines” that they said MONTHS BEFORE that they most likely would miss and as such they already more or less told us that those deadlines were trashed?

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Seems like a direct conflict to the Infinite Ball personal story line.
Even in death Scarlet is still causing plotholes.

Not really.
The Infinity Ball shows a POSSIBLE version of the future. A bit like the Fractals.
It is still fully within lore and the realm of possibility that Scarlet was the one that built them in our version of reality (and it could have been her in the Infinity Ball version as well for all we know)

So you are basing your argument on something that MIGHT be the case, while basically saying our arguments are wrong, because it was not shown in a natural environment despite the fact that we actually have undeniable confirmations?

Indeed, so what are we discussing?

Ronin.7381:

See the problem with this question is we haven’t been all over to know for sure. What we can do is look at the geography and we see Orr which is much closer to Kralk’s current landing place than Jormag. We know for a fact that Risen were in war with Palawa’s forces (the later of which occupies Elona) to reach Elona you have to get close to the Crystal Desert and I do not think Kralk is hiding by himself without a single source of minion/champion to cull the land.

Exactly, we haven’t been all over, and as such we don’t know if it has happened naturally.
We DO however know that it CAN happen since we have been SHOWN it extremely clearly in game.

Yes, Risen does (or at least did) fight Palawa’s forces, but Krally is in the NORTHERN part of the desert, which would suggest that it is fully possible that they never actually face off. And even if they did, we don’t really have any information about it since we can’t access that area yet.

The fact also remains that not everyone killed by a Risen becomes a Risen, so even if they did face off it is no guarantee that they would become corrupted.

Sytherek.7689:

There is no answer because your question is invalid.

In my experience as a world completer and story completer, only one possible path of one aspect of the game (the jumping puzzle in the personal storyline) is blocked by a jumping puzzle.

ALL of the new Dry Top release is blocked by a jumping puzzle.

You mean just like ALL of Cutthroat Politics was blocked by even worse jumping puzzles? How could it was okay back then, but now it is suddenly the worse thing ever?

Ronin.7381:

It’s never happened outside of a lab. That’s the point of the whole project. Subject Alpha was an experiment which houses questions in of itself as to how the Inquest managed to pull it off. Hence the “abnormality” of the whole experiment. There isn’t a single blurt or nod in the direction that a beast or being has been seen under the influence of two or more Elder Dragons at any given time. None.

But HOW would the Inquest be able to do it in the lab if it was impossible?
And have you EVER seen a zone where there are minions from multiple Dragons together?

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Is-precursor-crafting-going-to-happen-or-not/first#post2981770

There were also another posts somewhere, but I can’t find it at the moment.

Sithaco.4673:

A hoped for thing?? They made an entire blog post using the words “What you will see in 2013”, not “What we hope you will see in 2013”

Which they also ended with it being subject to change AND they told us BEFORE 2013 was over that those things that didn’t make it, wouldn’t make it.

What more do you want?

Mac.3872:

" here are things that will be added to the game"

Small print: may not be actually added to the game.

gg

very misleading.

Yeah, I suppose if you only see what you want to see.
The fact still remains though that the things that didn’t make it in 2013 was TOLD TO NOT BE IN 2013 BEFORE 2013 was over.
But I suppose that doesn’t count either.

Mac.3872:

Its not taken out of context. I quoted the whole paragraph.

Why would they say “here is what you will see”

Small print: Subject to change, suckers.

It is taken out of context.
The context is the whole post, not just a paragraph of it.
And they didn’t really hide the part about subject to change. It is fully visible at the end of the post.

Sithaco.4673:

So I’m getting the impression that even though it’s been 6 months since the end of 2013, it’s okay for us not to have any of those things and have no word about their ETA due to the fact that it was a blog post about their intentions, not a promise?

Yeah, except for the fact that we actually HAVE gotten information about it you mean?
We even have a ETA for the precursor crafting and new legendaries.
After the reward system is overhauled.

Ronin.7381:

The only instance we see this actually happening is in Crucible of Eternity, which as I pointed out was not only an experiment conducted by the Inquest but also ended up poorly. So as far as the world is concerned, we haven’t seen any event to suggest it’s possible in a natural environment.

So just because it happened as part of an experiment it doesn’t confirm that it can happen?
It is completely irrelevant that we have not seen it in a natural environment (as I have pointed out multiple times, they simply don’t hang around in the same areas, and as such a natural multi-corruption wouldn’t really happen).

The fact that the Inquest DID manage to do it would suggest that it IS fully possible.

Ronin.7381:

And who is to say, beyond yourself and others who support your argument, that the very reason why they can’t be corrupted by Zhaitan, Kralk, Prim, or Jormag is because they are already corrupted by Mord based on heredity? We haven’t seen a single Branded or Icebrood culled into the Risen ranks.

Because there is nothing anywhere in the game or outside that confirms that you can’t be corrupted by multiple Dragons? On the other hand there IS confirmations in game that you CAN be corrupted by multiple Dragons.

The reason why we don’t see Risen Branded or Icebrood is:
1: They are not in the same area
2: Not everyone killed by Risen appears to become Risen. I seem to recall something in the Personal Story about a certain ritual needed, but I might remember incorrectly.

Ronin.7381:

Clearly it doesn’t work or we would see walking corpses of the Soundless and the Nightmare Court all over Orr.

Looking at this from another perspective. Glint didn’t gain free will on her own, it was done so through the Forgotten. Who is to say that the Pale Tree didn’t imprint on Ronan and Ventari in a similar way and gained it’s free will that way?

No, since we have known since release that Sylvari are immune to the corruption of Zhaitan (and most likely Krally) and as such they can’t be corrupted. You might have noticed that there are no risen plants, and as such it would seem like Zhaitan can’t corrupt non-“alive” stuff.

Well it is more or less confirmed that the Pale Tree does protect Sylvari from the corruption of Mordremoth.

Ronin.7381:

But the Icebroods do consist of Sons of Svanir, those who are close and accept his influence to a stronger degree.

That’s speculation and not definitive proof. CoE is an area for experimentation under would-be controlled environments until obviously something goes haywire thanks to Kudu. In the wilds we have not seen a single being corrupted by one Dragon and then switched for another. There hasn’t been a single brand turned Risen or brood turned brand, zero.

The Icebroods consists of FORMER Sons of Svanir. They cease to be Sons of Svanir when they get corrupted.

The reason we don’t see it in nature is due to the fact that they kill each other on sight, rather than try to corrupt them if they would meet (as far as I know there is no place where multiple minions actually meet at this time).

The fact remains that it quite clearly works.

Ronin.7381:

I was listing beings of which were corrupted and thus did their respected Dragon’s bidding. None of which hosted any Sylvari as you later quote that the Sylvari cannot be corrupted.

Yeah… but the Sons of Svanir are not corrupted.
Icebroods are corrupted. Sons of Svanir are just worshiping Jormag.

Ronin.7381:

We also know that a corrupted individual cannot be re-corrupted. IE: Brand cannot be turned and brought into Jormag or Zhaitan’s folds. So who is to say that the Pale Tree if being a child of Mord, and the children that follow it, can be corrupted by the other dragons. It is as the text states, a death sentence and even with death being Zhaitan’s influence; he wasn’t capable of bringing Sylvari in.

Actually we know for a fact that individuals CAN be corrupted by multiple Elder Dragons, it is outright shown and stated in the CoE dungeon.

Raenzjar.4210:

I have no desire repeating stuff what has been said several times by now. Do your homework and get your facts straight.

And yet there were major story parts of LS1 that was “locked” behind using Aspects (in a much higher amount than the current one) how was that more optional than this was?
I have never actually gotten any answer to that question.

Ronin.7381:

Having spent 35 gold in three to four hours going from 1-400… 35g as a person who doesn’t farm repeatedly, is pretty expensive and the activity itself is time consuming. That being said, I did it well enough and got the head piece.

Yeah, it might be expensive if you feel like you need it RIGHT NOW, and buy everything rather than getting it yourself.

Raenzjar.4210:

<sigh>

So, no answer then?

Interesting how you ignored this part at the bottom of the blog:

As always, the content above is subject to change as we test and iterate on these systems.

You also ignore the fact that they said rather long before the end of 2013 that they would push Legendary and Precursors forward, which was also later stated to be pushed forward until they have revamped the reward system.

It is a max-level zone, with max-level drops and as such it makes sense to require high-level crafting.

It doesn’t take much time or money to level up crafting from lvl 1-400.

Raenzjar.4210:

That being said: may I ask why you even played this game, as jumping always was an optional thing, which you clearly dislike – per your own words?

In what way was it optional?
It locked story content long before this update, so how is that anymore optional than this one?

DeadlySynz.3471:

Ya I’ll say it’s dying, I have never seen on reset night, all 4 maps outnumbered 2.5hrs into reset. If that doesn’t spell a dying game mode (or game) I don’t know what does. Even last summer I don’t remember this happening.

Wait… so if you are outnumbered on every map, wouldn’t that mean that there are plenty of people on the opposing servers?

It might simply be a case of your server “dying” rather than the whole game.

Im Mudbone.1437:

“They” need to do something, like making each LS update larger because the FAR FROM CASUAL players have nothing more to do once done, as it is EVERYTHING can be done and finished with in 3 to 5 hours leaving us with nothing to do until the next TINY LS update.

So basically releasing more content, and as such taking longer between updates which basically gives the same result, other than if they spread it out you have new stuff for 3-5 hours every two weeks instead of new stuff for 10 hours every second month?

TheDaiBish.9735:

Well, in the Story Journal video, they did say some releases may be longer.

Well to be fair what they said was that some releases might be AVAILABLE longer. Which would be the same as in Season 1. Some releases were two weeks, some where a month and so on.

ozmaniandevil.6805:

It’s NOT his computer. Since the last update i’ve disconnected so many times i just gave up trying to play. ANet has an issue they need to fix. OP your situation stinks and is entirely unfair.

Yeah… except for the fact that the OP isn’t actually disconnecting, but rather gets a COMPUTER CRASH.

But sure, it is probably ArenaNets fault as well. Just like cancer, WWII and aids.

Nuance.4872:

I haven’t seen any proof of this posted by ANET, they are very tight lipped on player numbers and their playing times. If you have seen any numbers posted please share them,

It is not a GW2 specific thing. It happens to ALL games, simply due to the fact that people (for some weird reason) want to spend time outside when it is nice weather.

Nuance.4872:

It is rather unfair to compare your local seasonal/weather patterns to the rest of the globe.

Many countries have their holiday seasons different to that of the EU and NA,

I am fully aware of that. But overall more people tend to play during the US/EU winter than during the US/EU summer.

So, how is target the enemy and use the skill any different from target the place you want to jump and press the skill, other than the fact that the enemy is usually moving around.

And the fact remains that no matter how bad hand-eye coordination you have, it is fully possible to train up such things. If you were blind, sure. But something like that actually is fully possible to train.

If you had such big issues with hand-eye coordination you should have problems with way more stuff in the game than these 5 or so skill that tells you exactly what to do.
How do you hit targets with targeted skills?
How do you avoid AoE?

Oh, so now it wasn’t an issue because you didn’t find the content interesting..?

And you are still not answering the question, which make it seem like you don’t actually have a answer to it.

You mean just exactly like you had to do in Cutthroat Politics?
When you talked about it, it sounded like you would be unable to do the next CHAPTER if you didn’t do this part, since you kept comparing it to LS1 CHAPTERS.

And you have still not answered what part of the skills are so hard.

Oh, you are talking about specific story steps in the chapter?
Well the exact same would have been the case in Cutthroat Politics then because it also had multiple story parts all which were locked behind that jumping.

Elden Arnaas.4870:

re: I am talking about Cutthroat Politics, which were a rather major part of Season 1. – I didn’t need to do it do the next part of Living Story Season 1. But Living Story Season 2 is sequential like Personal Story now. Each part need to be completed to progress to the next. Not at all the same situation as Living Story Season 1.

Source for that statement. Because I have never heard that, and it is extremely unlikely since they have outright stated that you can choose which parts you want to buy if you miss any.

Elden Arnaas.4870:

re: So LS1 was not considered the “main game” but for some reason LS2 is? – Festival of the Four Winds was not the entirety of Living Story Season 1. You didn’t need to complete it to progress in LS S1.
But Living Story is more sequential now in Season 2, (like Personal Story) and you have to complete each segment to move on to the next. So it’s not at all the same situation. It also makes if difficult, or even prevents some of us from getting around and opening up an open world map.

You don’t need to complete this chapter in order to access the next chapter in the Living Story either as far as we know (and it would make no sense seeing as they have outright stated that you can CHOOSE to buy chapters you have missed, but if you don’t you can still jump on the story where it currently stands.

Spoofy.8239:

@lordkrall.7241

The living story is different from the personal story and could if one wished be ignored correct?

And the story in Dry Top is Living story, and as such there should be no issue then?
So what is this thread all about?

Spoofy.8239:

Huh?

Are you confused?

Aspect Jumping was required in order to do parts of the Living Story in Season 1.

Elden Arnaas.4870:

re: In order to partake in a rather major part of the story of the game people had to use these skills. But I suppose that doesn’t count? – I never considered the “Festival of Four Winds”(I think was the name of it) to be a “major” part of the story and skipped it. It seems that others did the same thing. But now we’re realizing that more and more content is being added to the game that is “not for us”. And we want to remedy that situation. Living Story Season 2 is major content, and we want to be able to progress in it. And we want Anet to realize that they’re alienating part of their customer base by making jumping and jump-like game actions mandatory instead of optional.

I am not talking about Festival of Four Winds. I am talking about Cutthroat Politics, which were a rather major part of Season 1.

Spoofy.8239:

@Bubi.7942

Could I continue with the main game without playing in these areas?

So LS1 was not considered the “main game” but for some reason LS2 is?

But what part of the jumping is the issue? You are dodging that specific part of the question, and that part is the most important one.

Because as far as I can see if you could not handle the extremely guided and easy Aspect skills (in the “required” parts that is) I have high doubt about how you could manage much at all in the game.

Spoofy.8239:

@Bubi.7942

Did these zephyrite skills appear anywhere else within the game?

If these skills did appear within the game were they directly part of the main MMO fantasy part of the game or were they in areas where players could choose to or not to partake and this would not hinder their advancement within the main area?

Yes. In order to partake in a rather major part of the story of the game people had to use these skills. But I suppose that doesn’t count?

I would question how people that can’t do the Aspect things could have done the vast majority of things in the game.
What is the hard part? Is it fast movement? If that is the case how did you manage combat?