Guild Wars 2

Feanor.2358:

Because who wouldn’t want 4 eles doing 10k dps each in their raid, right?

There must be an incentive to use a harder/more complex build. Otherwise people will always go for the easy one, because it gives consistent results. Meaning, no, you don’t have 3 builds to choose from, you have one. Of course, you can always be a special snowflake like me and insist on playing scepter, but it doesn’t change the big picture.

But go ahead, praise a balance which defies basic game design logic.

First of all if you do 10k DPS in your ele you should think about what are you doing, because even if you never tried ele rotation you Just can’t do such poor DPS.

And I still Can see tons of elementalist playing in raid, (and doing well) but finally also other classes are viable and wellcome.

And Yes I also play scepter warhorn, but i don’t cry because OMG I HAD A SUCH DIFFICULT ROTaTION I SHOULD DO 50k!1!1

Feanor.2358:

lucadiro.4519:

Feanor.2358:

Yeah, the sad state of current balance. Pick the easy build.

The balance is super good actually if you are not a revenant or a necro.
You all should bè glad we have 3 very viable build, One for each main Hand weapon we have, instead of complain because some other classes have easier rotation.

Also, if you say that more complex the rotation is more rewarded should It Be, then the damage output on big hitboxes of ele should ne nerfed to be under condi engie dps? (Since It has an harder rotation)

I know, right? I should be glad I can pick between doing something easy or struggling to do something hard for the same results. It’s great balance. Totally gives you incentive to get good, right?

It is Great Yes. And Yes you should be glad.
You can play your class with 3 different builds. All class out of revenant and necro are viable.
The balance in pve is actually One of the best we ever had.
Your are blind if can’t see it. Or you are Just a crybaby that want the 4 ele metà back in raids.

Lol on large hitboxes is way more Easy both to Land Phoenix and wildfire.

As you Can see here (https://youtu.be/APwbKaryfd0) for example in small hitboxes Phoenix do the 7,8% of your DPS, meaning in the end of the fight, on a DPS of 30k phoenix had contributed about 2,30k DPS.
So even if you Land It bad everytime, is not Phoenix the problem of an huge DPS Lost.
The problem Can be, instead, that for try to Land perfectly Phoenix, wildifre and lighting orb, people slow down their rotation, and make your rotation slower is worse than don’t cast Phoenix at all.
BUT MORE EASILY people mess up with the rotation and can’t recovery it.

So instead try to Land everything perfectly, Just try to Speed up the rotation and get used at It, THEN you Will also find easier cast in a bettee way your skills

Feanor.2358:

Yeah, the sad state of current balance. Pick the easy build.

The balance is super good actually if you are not a revenant or a necro.
You all should bè glad we have 3 very viable build, One for each main Hand weapon we have, instead of complain because some other classes have easier rotation.

Also, if you say that more complex the rotation is more rewarded should It Be, then the damage output on big hitboxes of ele should ne nerfed to be under condi engie dps? (Since It has an harder rotation)

Malchior.5732:

lucadiro.4519:

TkMan.9638:

The scepter wh rotation is cancer. It kills all fun i have. I do basically the same rotation on d/wh and get 30k dps (which i would love for it to be higher) the only difference is the placement of phoenix and the filler with auto attacks. I’ve been practicing this crap and burning my buttons to get 27-29k dps from scepter wh. . . and this is on a golem, god forbid i do this on a raid boss.

You should try to play engie lol

He might be saying that due to Phoenix needing to be stupidly precise otherwise you easily lose 10k+ damage.

In my experience, I generally out-dps scepter/wh eles in raids by 4k+ when I use d/wh or even Staff.
I don’t know if they’re bad, screwed up, or if the Phoenixes really need to be THAT precise to compete with the other weapons, to the point where it’s basically worthless.

Loosing 10k DPS (if DPS was what you meant since you wrote damage) seems to me more a rotation problem than a bad Phoenix placement.
The fact is that people had forgot how to use scepter, because since when phalanx strengh trait from Warrior came out people Just stopped to play scepter.
Scepter rotation Need very fast fingers and very good muscles Memory.
Phoenix is the last of the problems… I mean I know that sometime It doesnt hit 12times because of mechanics of the encounter you place It bad, or It still has some rng… But LOOSING 10K DPS can not coming from a bad Phoenix placement.
You all have to take in Mind that S/Wh IS A NEW ROTATION that you have to learn better, and practise it to get used.
It’s not like you are used to play D/Wh or staff that you are istantly good a scepter.

Both me and a my friend have the opposite experience for example… Could bè because we both are very used to play scepter in pvp (It help a lot) but is very rare to get out dpssed from other classes/build in bosses encounter that we are very confident (VG/gorseval/sabetha/slothasor)
The only time I was 10k behind another ele was in keep construct when I tried S/Wh without impact sigil

TkMan.9638:

The scepter wh rotation is cancer. It kills all fun i have. I do basically the same rotation on d/wh and get 30k dps (which i would love for it to be higher) the only difference is the placement of phoenix and the filler with auto attacks. I’ve been practicing this crap and burning my buttons to get 27-29k dps from scepter wh. . . and this is on a golem, god forbid i do this on a raid boss.

You should try to play engie lol

What I have to complain is that arenanet should remove racial skills from raid, or Nerf take root.
I mean wtf, why should a racial skill give you a dps boost? Appearance should have nothing to do with effectiveness.
IMO is unfair

Feanor.2358:

Really? Learning to flank is just the same as learning to maximize Phoenix or Lightning Orb hits, double-hit with Wildfire, keep constantly moving while remaining inside wells, picking up icebows and not getting hit?

Thanks for acknowledging the average ele level though.

Having classes harder to play and easier to play is not nothing new at all’ in this game.
Take a look at pvp, where everyone Can actually pick a Warrior or a DH, Smash the keyboard and be effective.

Btw if I have to be honest maximize Phoenix and lighting orb is not difficult at all, seaweedsalad moviment is something that for any user will be come automatic.
Wildfire positioning is an harder thing (on small hitboxes) but even if you do it perfectly some bosses will walk away anyway.

Also if you do only 70% of the dps potential of Tempest IT IS a l2p issue. I mean 70% means more or less 21k on small hitboxe and more or less 24k in bighitboxes.
Or you don’t get proper buffed or you do something wrong.

Yes, I agree that S/W and staff are still harder than play condi ranger. But ele always been, since the launch of the game One of the harder classes to play, to have more or less the same reaward of other classes. It always been like that.
But even then, you Can play D/W that is nothing more difficult than play a condi ranger and you Can have both more dps on large hitboxes or a very competitive one on small hitboxes.

In the end Just think, you could have been a necro or revenant main. Even dh are not even that desiderable.
So if arenanet have to focus at balancing something THAT SHOULD BE in First place to make necro and revenant more desiderable.

Also if you don’t care about Speed clears or low man kills, you Can Just play your class, enjoy It and go on.

I dont have any leggendaries weapon, but I really think that they Need to make you free to change sigils (or runes for the armor) in the same way you can change stats.

Wolfric.9380:

offhand pistol 900 range condi weapon :-).

Stop give use offhand please

Hello! We are 2 multyclasses player who have raided a lot but mostly pugged it.
We are actually very exp with every raid boss of the First 3 Wing (but xera) and with only a little exp in some boss of Wing 4.
Our main pg (both Tempest) are actually full geard up (full ascended, infusions, impact assasin staff etc etc)
And we are very good at DPS rotation (we run bdgm DPS meter).
Other pg are full ascended but without infusions and they are: druid (magi+condi+zerk) condi ranger, thief, rev, Warrior (condi+zerk) heal Tempest.

We are actually looking for a guild Just for raid with, since we already have our guild, or Just some random people to make a solid squad to full clears First 3 wings and eventually learn togheter Wing 4 and future wings.

So if you also are a player that mostly pug raid please feel free to write me in game, we will try to build up a squad togheter. (We already have other 2 very good players that usually play with us, and can play mostly of the classes, even Chrono)

If you are a guild/squad and need member to fill your roster also please, feel free to write me in game.
Just take in mind that we can’t give you 100% rappresent but we can eventually give contributes to your guild (tax or things for guild hall)

If your are half decent at pvp do it.
You get ascended shard + new map’s token (from tracks).
Then gather some new map’s token that you dont Need and breack them for unbound magic.
Is a Pretty fast way

Edit: you can also gather new map’s token while queing for pvp making it more efficent
Edit2: for gathering use the tools the give you also unbound magic at every hit

Why a GS while we can have a trident on land that fit more the magical theme?
Even spear on land would be a better theme if your really want a 2h

Cynz.9437:

Just other week i had to defend our chrono tank because one of those dps zombies was complaining about not having 100% alacrity uptime – well no flying kitty watson, maybe stand in wells for once? When this guy became really annoying i told him to go play a tank for us and show us how to keep 100% alacrity on everyone in real raid environment – he shut his hole finally. I don’t want to deal with this kind of crap but i am forced to because Anet gave their blessing to this harassment tool.

What have this to do with a dps meter? I mean, you don’t need a dps meter to understand if you have poor alacrity (or every other buff) uptime.
So he could blame anyway even without it.
I saw tons of people complain and leaving before the dps meter were allowed, because no distortion in Key moment or not perma quickness, alacrity etc etc

I mean I killed KC several time, then I wanted to do that thing for the collection and put on the poison, and someone saw it and left before even try blaming me I was a fisrt timer and he didnt want to waste time (and we got the kill at the First try ).
Once I joined a group and had signet of the Stone on my druid because I was doing things in open pve, I took the rift, I went to the group and before I could even change it I got kicked because OMG signet of Stone you noob.

So a toxic player is a toxic player… And would blame and ragequit/kick even without a dps meter. It always been like this.
DPS meter is not the problem here, is the player’s mentality and attitude.
A smart player, even if he use a dps meter doesnt put toxicity in even if he see someone Providing poor DPS, or buffs, because he know you don’t need Qt DPS to get a kill.
Because if you dont fail at doing mechanics, you can get everykill even with a mediocre dps

Mea.5491:

I will never use dps meters. This is a game, I just want to have fun in my free time instead of counting and improving numbers. I feel sorry for people who only care about numbers. It’s their loss.

That’s incorrect… I use a dps meter and still play for fun.
For you the fun can be just play, for me is also play well. Because you know raid are some kind of challenge, and a dps meter is a tool for improve at doing that challenge.
And not only because the dps Number but actually because they show you things like, how much seaweedsalad bonus are you using, how much scholar bonus, how much GotL are you Providing to allies etc etc..
So at least for me, use a dps meter made me improve the quality of my gameplay, and also the quality of other teammates gameplay since often I use supportive classes.

I can say you the same thing also for a thing like sport.
You can do it Just for fun, without care how you do it.
Or you can take it like a challenge, and have fun trying to get better and be proud once you improved.

p.s.: even if I run a dps meter, that doesn’t display other DPS, i still never say nothing to other player of they like provide poor quickness, GotL or alacrity. Nor I say nothing if we fail because not enough DPS or because someone make mistake at doing mechanics.
If for me the group can get the kill, I try untill we do it or the group disband. If I think the group can’t do it, i Just leave without blame people

PaxTheGreatOne.9472:

I have some problems with PLAYERS using DPS-meters AND misusing, misinterpreting, focussing on the wrong data and generally being idiots…

SO when running PUGs be intelligent. If you cannot do enough DPS break up the party.
Having a party with 2 minstrel chrono, 2 magi druids, an magi auramancer and ppl with bad rotations…. Move on…. except maybe on Cairn……
If DPS will allow you to kill the Boss within time: WHY BOTHER trying to figure out who pulls his weight and who doesn’t?
If you asked for an experienced party and ppl fail hard, give ’m 1 chance and then remove them, if they (fail to) trigger basic mechanics and kill the group OR troll, Kick ’m.

Do not however be elitist wannabee’s trying to show off your perfect rotations and be mad cause the 1st vg split is at 6:30 instead of 7:00 or be mad gorseval needs slow or no CC instead of ppl breaking it instantly….

I saw ppl talking about kicked magi’s druids or ppl whining about low dps from the tank. WHO cares? Their role focusses on something else!!

If ppl run mechanics and cannot DPS during that time do not be an idiot and criticize on somewhat lower DPS….
If they fullfill their roles and make it a nice 1st or second try be happy, if they need 2-3 tries to come together don’t be the spoilsport running away after 1st try… I’ve seen so many 100+ and 150+ LI parties fall apart cause some idiot needs to satisfy his personal only 1st kill vanity tick. Yes…. idiot. I do not have a different name for it.

This game is about finishing the content, instead of showing who’s the best cheeser… or the one most elitist with the fastest kick button… I have more respect for the ppl now within the 20-100 LI range then I have for the 350+ ppl…. Why? Cause the ppl who know their stuff tend to only care about fast finishes, not about speading the knowledge… when you do not want to run a 100 LI or lower PUG cause you think they’ll be bad you are showing signs of being elitist, nor do you help them improve…. And knowing this… when done ppl start whining they’ll have no content for the rest of the week… Sad ppl….

In the end yes this game can be about the fastest clear. If you want to persue this DO NOT DO SO in a PUG. The PUG will not be able to fully synergise in the 1,2, maybe 5 tries you need to kill the boss…

A guy with 80+ LI… I’ve been in 100+ LI parties for quite some time now….also by invitation. And I take pride in -allways- having spammed my actual LI’s. I can tell ppl spamming 100+ 150+ 250+ LI… and still being fakers…. all without DPS meters…

200% agree with your point of view.

If you can positioning well yourself behinde the boss while on shortbow it improve your DPS by a lot.
Axe/Torch/Dagger or axe/Torch/Torch or even axe/Torch/axe (on condi druid to help with pulls) still give decent dps.

So if, for some reason, you can’t hit your enemy from behinde or while doing it your are losing chrono’s wells, and you get low quickness, alacrity and GotL then you can think about drop shortbow to go double offhand.
Or you can try to improve your self positioning and keep it.

Sword instead, is just not viable as source of DPS on a condi build.

GWMO.4785:

Some of the current legit dps meters out there do estimate the dps of the party or squad members. But these are not (always) accurate. Especially on condi builds. However there is one that can link with each other IF everyone uses the same meter. I believe it was BGDM. Not sure on that one. Don’t use it myself …or any meter for that matter.

That being said. I do agree on the part where players should be able to block the information that he or she wants. Beside the fact that it helps groups to improve it also creates toxicity as @OP mentioned. Don’t get me wrong, i don’t say that people shouldn’t use it. But likewise it also needs to be contained and somehow kept under control in my believes.

[Sorta offtopic]Additionally, now that DPS meters have been approved under certain restrictions. Does ANet have any plans on implementing a dps meter themselves? Has there anything been spoken/written about such a thing? (would love to hear a official response from dev’s here)

BDGM display other DPS only if they have It too yes

I dont think… I’m kinda sure there are only some dps meter that try to Guess your DPS but don’t read it

thefinnster.6904:

i think the big thing that alot of you who support dps meters dont get is that to me and many other players this feels like an intrusive method of survailance theres a huge diferance between that and linking how many li you have or being judged on your AP

Its the feeling of being constantly under survailance you join a pug you dont know who is or is not runing a dps meter it makes me feel realy uncomfortable

Hello! I fully support DPS meter! At least the One that I use that display the dps of only the people who is it.
I can’t read your DPS if your are not using it.
It help me a lot to improve my rotation, and my gameplay at all.

So please, answer me, how it can make you feel unconfortable?

Are going the new sigils on swap Will have a icon like for example the old Doom sigil?
If Yes, these sigil change would be nice.
I only want to say that your new passive sigils are not much desiderable. They Need a rework or maybe just forget about them and dont add them.

p.s.: to be honest you can do a better job and promote a better sinergy to rework at the same time all the runes, or at least the most used.

Tomiyou.3790:

Needs more damage to be competitive at higher levels, because I don’t see any other utility we could bring.

This ^

-Dragon thoot cast time + After cast reduced

-Phoenix CD reduced to 12/15sec so we can use it everytime we go to fire

-FGS cd reduced to 90sec

S/f 1v1 ability means nothing in a conquest 5v5 gamemode.
Fresh air ele is too squishy for 2v2 and it actually implode in team fight.
So we can just nuke from range, but dragon thoot hit only people that are ressing (most time they can be ressed even before dragon thoot drop) and Phoenix most of the time get mitigated from all the passive damage mitigation people are running (passive weakness proc, protection, defy pain etc etc).
So if you waste Phoenix in someway you are providing like 0damage in teamfight

What about a trident or a spear on Land?

Fearnor Pretty much wrote the perfect rotation.
He Just only forgot about glyph of storm that you have to use in step 1 and basically every time it is off CD and your are switching to fire (after air overload)
Take in mind that for get the highest Number is very important how you start the rotation. So basically you have to hit with air 5 at the same time with the last hit of air overload.
Also remeber that you can make wildfire hit twice if the target is exactly at the middle of it.
Also Phoenix should be landed behinde your target at the very end of his hitbox. So you can archieve up to 12hit vs large hitboxes and, I think, 5 to Small hitboxes

Man… More you talk more you make me think there is something weird here.
-you said you killed 2 boss, and now you are saying you killed only gorseval.
-You said Commander told you to be a liar BUT know you are saying you didn’t lied on nothing (why he said you are a liar then?)
-You initially said Commander kicked without let you the time to loot the chest, now you are saying you had the time but your inventory was full….

Hmmm

To everyone here:
“He said I should be grateful that he didn’t kick me out during the mid run and I got carried.”

This make me think that the commander gave him the time to loot the chest.
Then if he got the time and instead to loot the chest he did other things it is his problem.

IF the commander kicked him Just an istant After the boss was dead then agree thats not right and fair.

But to be honest is hard to me to belive to him since is clear he already lied to his sqaud to join it.
And I don’t get why complain here in forum but instead submit a ticket to arenanet if he sure to be kicked unfairly

Hmmm there is something weird in your Story.
3rd boss on Spirit vale (sabetha) doesn’t have an aggro mechanics based in toughness so I don’t get why he kicked you at sabetha and not at gorseval.
So maybe you did the prevent for gorseval + gorseval.

Btw you joined an exp Group while having like 0 exp yourself. You had the wrong ecquipment, probably the wrong build and only god know how much mistake you made in that raid.
So you were a leecher that got carried hard… You should be glad you got the kill.
The commander also has explained you the reason because you got kicked so he did right.

A suggestion: if you want to raid, take the right build, the right ecquipment and join training runs for get experience.
Then you can join more exp Group and get your kills.
This is what mostly of player that pug raid do.

Have a nice day bb

apharma.3741:

The problem I have with the meteor nerf is that now staff has no use. D/Wh and Sc/Wh both do superior damage vs large targets (yes I know wildfire hits twice and phoenix 12x hits) and the rotation on certainly D/Wh isn’t that complex or at least you’ve had plenty of practise since HoT.

I guess it’s only use is when you need to range a large boss in some capacity but I don’t know many places where it’s an advantage vs getting on with a mechanic like gorseval. I mean why even run staff on Xera when you can get condi warriors to kill shards and do more damage than staff would?

In fact I’m struggling to think of any place you would use staff anymore, I guess KC as it still spikes pretty hard but it’s not a huge issue meeting g the dps requirement so long as your team isn’t slacking.

Cant talk about Wing 4 since I never tried it but on Gorseval, slothasor and keep construct you can still run staff and IMO it still also better then scepter or Dagger.
You just dont use staff fresh air anymore on small hitbox.

I’m not a very exp druid since I play it more or less from 2 months but I use it a lot in raids.
I use condi and magi druid, before patch even zerk druid.
So here my 2cent:

-if you are magi druid you should not focus on any DPS rotation but Just focus on 2 things, keep group Alive and provide buffs GotL.
So Camp staff and try to cleave the whole squad with staff 1 since it Will provide you a lot of Astral Force.
You have to know well boss mechanics and Save burst heals for when you know people will take damage, like going in greens (or miss a Green) at VG, CC phase in gorseval, condi bomb in slothasor (shake/coconut cant remeber the name).
But tbh if tour group doesnt totally sucks with a full magi set is so Easy to keep everyone Alive.
So once you got confortable on it you can start to use berserker trinckets and sword axe for add some dps and help with pulls.

-in stationary boss like gorseval, sabetha, slothasor if mid strat and Matthias if your group doesnt move him too much, if you have problems to keep full Life your group I suggest you to try to run water+stone(not in gorseval)+elite spirit… You Will provide perma protection + more susistained heals, and the regen from water Spirit is amazing to fill your Astral Force.

-while with condi druid is very Easy push out a good dps and still provide good heals to your party, here you can start to have problems if your group make mistake, because your recharge Astral Force ways slower so you can lack heals and GotL if you dont manage the rotation well. So its better if you use condi druid only once you got a very good experience with all bosses mechanics playing druid.

My Dreams are for a single very huge and hard hitting meteor lol… But would be op vs players and actually a nerf vs enviroiment

I would like to see “on crit” sigils scale with ferocity and not Power. So mender and paladin amulet user can’t benefit from them

And is like years that I would like to see a nerf at Doom+geomancy sigils

I tried it in Heart of the mist vs npcs. Basically I was jumping everytime I touched the ground. This evenig, if I can play, I will record it

Feanor.2358:

lucadiro.4519:

Yes we are not anymore top DPS and small hitbox, thats true, but we are still very competitive on them.
Also on small hitbox the rotation on both Dagger and scepter is way easier to do since you don’t have to use icebow, so is also easier to be competitive if you are a good Ele.

The micromangement in skills like phoenix, burning speed, wildfire etc etc is what make the difference between a good Ele and a FTW reroller and is what give you the reward and the satisfaction to play Ele. And I like it.

If you prefere to do an easier rotation and archieve a good dps you can always play another class.
Condi Warrior, thief and ranger are now very good for it.

To be competitive, even on a large hitbox, you need to be really good. Sticking to simplified rotations just won’t cut it (dropping the Ice Bow, for instance, will lose you substantial dps).

The point isn’t that Ele is hard to play. That’s not a bad thing. I like how Ele plays, I always have. My first character was an Ele and I have 90% of my playtime on her. The bad thing is your ele is more fragile and at the same time it’s harder to play it. And you get similar or worse results for it, compared to professions which are both sturdier and easier to play. In high-end content this translates to unnecessary risk.

Sure, Ele is just fine for open world, dungeons or fractals. But for raids, not really. Perhaps on KC, because of the specifics of the fight. Maybe on Xera for shard clearing. Maybe on Sabetha as a throwaway DPS class to go on cannon duty. Outside of these, there really isn’t much point in taking one, if you’re trying to maximize your odds against the boss.

You drop icebow only on small hitbox.
Ok I got your point about the fact an higher risk should deserve an higher reward.
But still as you said Tempest is more desiderable in a lot of bosses, you already pointed some but I can also add Vg (if chronos doesnt distort greens) lose less DPS than a thief or a ranger going in greens.
On gorseval, mechanics are so simple that if you can archieve a good dps on golem, here you Will do the same. And Tempest is also faster to clean orbs than a condi ranger.
Ok slothasor can’t say nothing because After the patch I still have not tried it with both condi ranger and Tempest.
And I never tried Wing 4 so I can’t talk about that.

So as you can see Tempest is really desiderable in most of the raid.

Edit: to be honest sabetha is One of the bosses where may run a thief is better than a Ele, since doing cannons make you lose lot of alacrity uptime

Feanor.2358:

lucadiro.4519:

But you can still out DPS every class if you become good at it.

Only on large hitbox. On small, realistically, you can’t. Unless they are pretty bad.

The FA Staff was similar in difficulty, but on the theoretical numbers it had a bigger advantage. Meaning you had more room for making mistakes, while still retaining a competitive dps. Right now, you pretty much have to be perfect, otherwise you get out-dps’d.

Yes we are not anymore top DPS and small hitbox, thats true, but we are still very competitive on them.
Also on small hitbox the rotation on both Dagger and scepter is way easier to do since you don’t have to use icebow, so is also easier to be competitive if you are a good Ele.

The micromangement in skills like phoenix, burning speed, wildfire etc etc is what make the difference between a good Ele and a FTW reroller and is what give you the reward and the satisfaction to play Ele. And I like it.

If you prefere to do an easier rotation and archieve a good dps you can always play another class.
Condi Warrior, thief and ranger are now very good for it.

If you cast a glyph and then you Jump, seed of life will not spawn.

Also if you block with GS 4 some Attack and you Jump, you Will not do the knock back and instead you Will block for the full duration.

Feanor.2358:

Rain.9213:

Oooh that’s interesting. I just started playing Ele again since my Revenant is still shelved for Raiding but looks like my ele might be my new Raider

Ele really isn’t in a good place for raids right now. In theory, you can still produce competitive damage output. However, it still requires a lot of skill to do so. Meaning if you’re new, average, or even decent ele, you’d be easily outclassed by other professions which are easier to play. Last night I saw my condi ranger have 30-60% more dps over the ele in the party.

This could be true also before the patch… If you was bad at doing Fa staff rotation, thieves and Rangers could have outdps you.
Now the rotation for them is still the same, and it is very easy, while the scepter rotation is new and need some practice before push out the max from it.
But you can still out DPS every class if you become good at it.

Ele was always meant to be an hard class to play, is an High risk High reward class and it is what make the class fun to play.

Reroll a thief and be stuck to AA or reroll a ranger and spam all skills out of CD will be never satisfactory to me as to push out a good dps rotation on Ele

I hope for a 2h spear on land

Wait… You are telling us that you joined a TRAINING run and got kicked without any explanation?
I’m sorry but I really can’t belive that

Rangerdeity.5847:

lucadiro.4519:

Supreme.3164:

cgMatt.5162:

I don’t understand the Overload Air nerf for PvE, do they hate D/Wh and Fresh Air Staff builds?

Raid balance, ele covr the TOP 3 positions, that’s why

Funny thing is that it will still cover TOP 1 lol

as it rightfully should. but give the rangers a chance… oh right rangers still meh. ok give the engineers a chan…. kitten …. ok everyone kitten off your building warriors and guardians kittening deal with it.

What?

TorsoReaper.8530:

lucadiro.4519:

Thats because most of the people in forum are crybabies that cant see that, even if arenanet gave a deserved Nerf (maybe in the wrong way but still deserved) to make Ele DPS in line with other classes, it still has the top DPS in the game.
And good thing that this damage come from and actually hard rotation, so it will be Pretty safe from eventual future Nerf.

You should start reading the actual numbers now that DPS meters are legalized. In a vacuum do Ele’s do the most paper damage? Sure. In reality? Most ele’s weren’t even hitting the max numbers because either they weren’t good enough to pull off the rotation or their team isn’t good enough to support them to pull off the rotation because they kept having to swap to other attunements.

The problem is Anet just goes by the paper numbers or whatever they see happening from top 1% raid teams and applies that to the entire player base which isn’t even where they will derive their revenue. GW2 sales numbers have been crap ever since HOT drove away 25% of the player base and this kind of crap might be fine for the 1% raid teams but the other 99% of the player base that actually needs to buy gems because they aren’t sitting on thousands of gold is going to get kittened off and leave. From a game design decision it was a bad idea. From a business perspective it was a bad idea.

And RTL? LOL. I will be shocked if D/D makes a comeback as meta. Believe me, when i played in the early days, I loved D/D. Nobody wants it to be viable more than me but come on man. Let’s be honest, that ship has sailed.

Don’t worry man I use a dps meter since arenanet said they are legal.
If your team sucks the whole party DPS is terribile. And would be terribile evem if you play easier class.
If your team is good, giving you a good uptime on GotL, GoE, alacrity and Chrono distort in the right moments and your DPS still suck, then you are just bad and why in the world you should deserve top DPS?
We eles, yes I’m an Ele main, still have a top DPS build, you can still stay here to cry or go to training at it to push out the most possible from it, and if you use a dps meter you Can also prove to other player your DPS is still needed in raids.

For the pvp prospective… I’m not sayng Dagger off hand will be again in metà, because HoT powercreep and the removal of celestial amulet, not because it is bad.
but you at least have to admit that arenanet is looking in the right direction, even if the buffs are not enough

Also what is a Power elementalist Dagger focus?

TorsoReaper.8530:

Conncept.7638:

TorsoReaper.8530:

Conncept.7638:

Yeah the ele got 10x the buffs it did nerfs

You don’t play ele do you? The things they buffed were things nobody used and the buffs weren’t strong enough to make anyone want to use them.

You don’t think about what you post before you post it do you?

Ele is over 3/4s of my play time over the last four years.

So RTL is unused huh? Strange how it hasn’t left the top three hot topics on the ele forums ever since the last patch where it was changed. Not to mention armor of earth and mistform, which were basically half of the defense of the original arcane/water bunker build.

We got 25-33% uptime buffs on nearly a dozen different abilities, but no, you’re right, that’s totally outweighed by a 7% dps nerf to one ability.

Get over yourself.

EDIT: Pardon me, there are actually some as low as a 15% buff, how horrible, that totally changes my mind. I’m being facetious, it does not, and you’re all being ridiculous

The point of nerfing air overload was “ele does too much dps”. Someone running a bunker build wasn’t doing “too much dps” in the first place. That’s the point. I’m glad you’re happy with the changes but from the reception of the forums, you’re in a minority. Get over yourself.

Thats because most of the people in forum are crybabies that cant see that, even if arenanet gave a deserved Nerf (maybe in the wrong way but still deserved) to make Ele DPS in line with other classes, it still has the top DPS in the game.
And good thing that this damage come from and actually hard rotation, so it will be Pretty safe from eventual future Nerf.
Also Ele in pve is finally back on his proper form of High risk High reward class.
+ Ele got very nice buffs in pvp, I mean are years now that we ask for RTL buff, finally we got… You should be stuck in a smile Just only for this

Meteor shower got a CD of 0,5sec between the hits of meteors.
So basically since with quickness the meteors drops faster, there are more meteors falling in these 0,5sec cooldown then how much would be fall without quickness.
So IMO it isn’t a problem of quickness, is a problem the way they nerfed it

Supreme.3164:

cgMatt.5162:

I don’t understand the Overload Air nerf for PvE, do they hate D/Wh and Fresh Air Staff builds?

Raid balance, ele covr the TOP 3 positions, that’s why

Funny thing is that it will still cover TOP 1 lol

Scepter warhorn fresh air is amazing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1CnahYCD4k

Griever.7480:

im sorry you are all going on about how meteor shower was nerfed, exactly how was it nerfed? ive noticed no change in it.

Basically it hit half of the time with meteors. Before the patch i could hit 24 times the same target with the best RNG possibile and with an enemy with big hitbox.
Now the maximun hit it can land is 12 with the best RNG and on a large target hitbox.

I’m not the guy on the video, will edit the post to make it more clear

And before someone come here to say scepter dps sucks
https://youtu.be/5qylEEXvGtc

Edit: I’m not the guy on the video

Ok staff got an huge hit but… I mean… SCEPTER Ele will be meta for pve!!! It’s since the old s/f lighing hammer time that I dream this moment!