Hey man its our trait in tempest called Elemental Bling. It allows us to change amulets mid combat so most eles will have menders on and switch to marauders every 9seconds or so. I agree its completely broken
Dps ele is perfectly fine, but people won’t run it since your support is so ungodly strong.
Lol sure… Show me a video in wich you play, or anyone play, a dps Ele spec in mid/High tier pvp please.
I really want to see how PERFECTLY FINE it is.
I dont play healbot Tempest since a lot because is boring, lot of time I play DPS Ele because I love the gameplay of it.
Play DPS Ele after HoT its like play Extreme mode while everyone else play Easy mode.
You say Ele DPS is perfectly fine because you dont know nothing about Ele, maybe you got reckt from someone very good while you are a potato and then you think “DPS Ele is fine”.
But you dont realize that you can archieve way better reward playing with very less effort any other DPS classes.
Since is allowed to have multiple accounts and to reach top 250 they have to play X hours in each account and put out effort in every account, I think it is annoying for everyone else but arenanet can’t do nothing about it
If you are 1v1ing a ranger and you down him, and you are low hp, you should move away, heal back, cc the pet if ressing, and then stomp.
Everyclass has something to secure the stomp from get dazed from downed ranger, you can block his Attack, blind it or just pop up stab
It’s years now that a lot of people ask for a viable dps build for Ele. We still doesn’t have it and I doubt we will never have it.
That said, even if Ele Will have a viable dps build, I mean a decent DPS build, it Will never bè metà since DPS Ele doesn’t give nothing at his team, just damage but nothing more.
Thieves are the best to decap and +1 fights with their mobility.
Revs have mobility + cc + buffs
Mesmers have portal.
What an Ele give to his team? How can it make the metà for Ele change?
That said I don’t get how people can play SF fresh air with tempest. Using overloads make you eat a lot of damage while most of SF survability coming from avoid melee by kiting with superspeed. Tempest provide nothing to fresh air in my opinion since also the shouts arent worth without healing Power. I prefere 10x times take arcane instead to promote a more Dynamic gameplay.
Eles want a dos spec but they already have it they just don’t take it. Given the option they will take every defensive bunker trait whilst qqing they have no damage. I play a bunker guard? I expect to do no damage.
Please, can you show us the dps spec Ele has but no one want to take?
@Yasi:
“Not saying ele is unkillable, because it definitely is. But people posting here that there is “no issue” with ele being too bunky, and then justifying it with some imagined 1 year where ele was not meta… sorry, but… seriously?”
Highlight this for me man. When I said this? Never… So please, don’t quote me adding things I never said and please Yes… Go back to topic
(…)
You forgot about a whole year when Ele was unviable and totaly missed every competitive scene at all.
Im moved to tears… ehm… not. A whole year? Ask us poor necros, playing since beta, until the scepter AA change. Alas! I miss those days, when the most effective necro build was a build focused on keeping up retaliation ^^ Zero, where are you? :/
But back to topic. Ele is very susceptible to cc and boonstrip. Thing is, with current changes, we have less of both… and the change to ele arcane shield is insane. 40 seconds cooldown is too low, period. Theres only one map I wouldnt take shield over lightning flash, and thats forest. It just fits in so perfectly.
Not saying ele is unkillable, because it definitely is. But people posting here that there is “no issue” with ele being too bunky, and then justifying it with some imagined 1 year where ele was not meta… sorry, but… seriously?
Yes, ele is strong this meta again, very strong if you have someone with you that can kill stuff fast. No, ele is not invincible, just difficult to kill, and even more so if you arent coordinating stuff properly with your team.
Why are you putting in my mouth words that I never used???
I NEVER said that since Ele was out of meta his current state is ok… What do you smoke?
I correct someone who was saying Ele was always viable/metà/op/what you prefere, when it wasn’t for a lot of time before celestial amulet was buffed.
Learn to focus the ele, celestial and cleric age is over since a bit
I laughed at this.
No, it’s not a ‘low tier issue’. It’s common knowledge that ele has the highest damage and highest ‘bunk-ability’, if you will, because their traits mitigate a lot of damage. Ele’s are the most powerful class in pvp right now, and always have been.
I’ve placed legendary the last 3 seasons, and I’m currently 1746 skill rating / rank 195 as of this post. I know what I’m doing. It’s like everytime someone screams ele is op all the elementalists come and rally around the post and defer the blame somewhere else. But let’s be clear: I’m all for Imperfect balance! That’s what makes games great, but when eles can 1v3 bunk points, there should be some balance around that and bring them a tad closer to the midline.
Ele can’t have both higjest damage and best “bunker ability” at the same time and also ele can’t tank 3 people… If 3 people know nothing about Ele and waste all their burst and cc into obsidian flash then It’s not a balance problem
Have someone tried to go fire arcane air? I’m without internet since One week and can’t play untill next week so couldnt try it
The glyph traited + cd reduced at shield should be a nice help to that yolo spec, and with that you can still 100-0 someone, and throw phoenix more often
I’m not saying it can be viable, metà etc etc just want to know if someone tried it and how it work now
Talking about d/f metà tempest, after he use both obsidian flash and earth overload you can cc+burst him down.
So basically when he swap out of earth.
Fire attunement has burning speed as evade so be carefull to don’t waste damaging skills or cc into it.
Shocking aura can stun you, if you are in melee range without stability, so be carefull for it.
Water doesnt have any defensive skills.
Best moment for try to burst him down is when he try to overload air or water.
Lot of time the problem is not the build, you can do well also with a non-metabuild, but is what you do in a pvp match… I mean, rotation, what you do in a teamfight etc etc
Pvp community is a bit salty sometime, so easily they rage at teammates, but if they raged at you, you have to take in mind that it might be not a build problem, but a gameplay problem.
Lol just lol…
It’s obvius that I wasn’t thinking you was crying for real……… The fact you focus on that make me start to think you cry for real about this game.
But still you put a video full of complains about the nerf (that is what people call “cry” when talking about this game) and then you are wondering why your video attired toxicity.
And then you just write personal attack to me…
Well if you dont understand I don’t even going to argue more with you.
Have fun byby
You really don’t understand American humor m8. The comment about poop was clearly a joke, whether you enjoy it or not, it isn’t a personal attack.
So? Still, he just avoided everything I said related to the post, and joked about me instead…
This is going more and more off-topic so, again, I’m done with this
Lol just lol…
It’s obvius that I wasn’t thinking you was crying for real……… The fact you focus on that make me start now to think you cry for real about this game.
But still you put a video full of complains about the nerf (that is what people call “cry” when talking about this game) and then you are wondering why your video attired toxicity.
And then you just write personal attack to me…
Well if you dont understand I don’t even going to argue more with you.
Have fun byby
Also you say people cry in comments while you cry in the whole video because OMG RIP REVENANT 2016 50% NERF
I feel like most people had a good laugh watching that video…If you did not…Well your probably sitting on a long sharp object and might wanna hop off before you read this next comment. L2 joke bro / L2 laugh a bit bro / L2 unclinch them cheeks bro, they seem pretty tense.
Joking or not you just cried the whole time pushing out negative judgment about the future of revenant and then you complained about the fact people are telling you that revenant will be fine.
In italy we say something like “you throw the rock then you try to hide the hand”.
Btw don’t worry for me, I’m sit on a confortable chair and my cheeks are Pretty relaxed, and I can’t wait for season to have fun with my rev
Now we find out who’s playing rev for the class and who’s playing it to be op.
Just like how we saw who continued Ele (after the D/D cele nerf) because they liked the class and not because it was OP. Also who continued to play Necro after the nerfs.
Its the same for every single Flavor of the Month class. There will always be some who like playing the class, but also a ton of players who are playing just because its OP/high reward low risk.
No, it is not the same thing man.
I always played Ele, sure I played D/D cele but also staff cele and mostly S/F fresh air, but when hot came out it change totaly the way to play Ele.
Tempest pushed out a different way to play Ele, Ele was a Dynamic class, a bruiser with d/d cele or a burst spec with sf, but the power creep introduced with HoT just oblitarated both… Making tempest healbot the only viable spec, with a boring gameplay.
A lot of people that loved Ele had reroll to other classes not because Ele get nerfed but because they didn’t like tempest playstyle at all.
So no it not the same thing. Revenant still has the same playstyle and it will still have it after nerf
They didn’t change cooldown or Energy cost of staff 5 or sword 2… So if you had fun before, and I had a lot with rev, you will still have fun after the nerf since they doesn’t change the way you play it.
Revenant will still be a strong pick, since it still has very good cc, very good mobility, very good damage and very good hard mitigation.
You know that while ps and condi ps doesnt have very High dps the might generation they provide at the team mates push the party’s dps a lot?
So you have a good trade here, that will reserve always a spot in party for Warrior.
Man you can play what you want, I’m not saying you can’t play this build.
I’m just saying that this build will never work at middle-high tier pvp… Since it has no mobility, no defensive tools, no condi cleans and it is easily counterable.
If you have fun with it in your stonghold matches just go on to play it, but you can’t come here to say this build is op and work well vs “pro” players because It’s a lie.
Have fun bye bye
The bursts consist of lightning strikes and Arcane Skills, used with Air 5. I don’t use Air 4 often. After using your burst, the enemy will go invuln. Right after their invulns, use Phoenix. Spam D Tooth often and it will land. Use Air Overload often too, unless you have too much focus on you.
Thats not a burst… Air2 + 2 arcane skills does more or less 6k damage.
Combo Phoenix, lighting flash, arcane blast, Air swap, air2 is a burst … And does more or less 14k damage.
Phoenix can be dodged easy if you dont use teleport to make it istant
No one with half brain will never get hit from dragon thoot (if not downed obviusly), it doesnt matter how much times you cast it
In PvE though, you’re essentially only swapping to Staff to break so on-swap condition sigils probably aren’t appropriate. I actually think it’s not a bad idea to bring a Berserker Staff with Force or Air plus Paralyzation. Might look into generosity though.
I get what you’re saying about Torment and Poison but think back to the Necromancer. Until recently the powerhouse condition build. They relied primarily on Bleed and Poison and while, I know that Epidemic played a large part in their success, their individual condition dps was still very high so I think there is a precedent there. If this suggestion was to be taken on, I think it would just depend on the degree of how much Poison application is added. It does stack in intensity after all and it’s not like PvE mobs are in the habit of clearing conditions.
Lol ok…
1 you don’t have a single condi cleans out of water overload that most of the time will be interrupted and alone can’t help you
2 you are running without lighing flash, that is mandatory for a glass cannon build… You will die everytime someone focus you… And you can’t do the best combo scepter offer, phoenix→lighing flash
3 why runes of dragon Hunter??
4 warhorn offer nothing at your build really… No defensive skill out of Sand squall, no condi cleans, no mobility
5 the cc of warhorn are so slow that everyone will Dodge or move away from it, so forgot about land dragon thoot
6 it can may work at very low tier pvp but everyone that know what the skill of his class does will wreck you
7 no it is not op
8 no It’s not viable vs “pro” player
If you play healbot it is not useless since it cleans 2 condition for you and teammates (if traited + soldier runes), heals 2 times (aura proc) and give you an aura and at you and team mates. Is underperforming but not useless.
Also is a very good elite in pve where it can prevent a full wipe in raids.
I would prefere a cd reduction to FGS than a buff to rebound
What this class do now other then auto-attacking….
Very good cc, good damage, very good presence in team fight, buff teammates, very good mobility, still good at 1v1
Damage isn’t that amazing now after all the nerfs sword received. CC isn’t that good either (very good you say?), try Warrior and see how easy and accessible CC is.
The buffs can be given by other classes that also bring more, just to give you an example a warrior bring might easily, actually good DPS and Banners.
I believe you just play PvP, in PvP sure it might be half decent. In PvE, the rotation and everything the class can bring are simply awful. Almost everything relies on auto-attack because besides Precise Strike (only if target is alone) your dps will suck.
Hell even Unrelenting Assault does the damage of 3 auto-attacks while it used to be more interesting and powerful before even after some nerfs. Now it’s just a bad joke.
There are reasons why you don’t see many revenants now and why it is not very much wanted in PvE groups.
I was talking about pvp.
In pve Yes, it lack a bit of dps to be at pair of DH, and need some buff there.
But you can’t say it doesnt have Group support since it can provide protection or fury and might, 6k dps to your Group thanks by assasination presence and, Yes, good cc, can share resistance, and pull conditions from teammates.
In pve revenant need just some dps imcrease.
In pvp I can bet 50g it will still be a metà dps build
Well Obviously it will still the be meta dps build for most revs, coz Hammer apparently sucks, mace and axe are useless. What are you gonna do, use sword/shield + Sword/Sword?
Anet is going to keep nerfing Rev to the ground, it’s their way of saying “Hey! Get a Clue! Go play another class! What class you say? oh idk maybe Guard? lol We just buffed Vanilla guard right? There you see, now u can either faceroll with both Vanilla and DH!”.
What this class do now other then auto-attacking….
Very good cc, good damage, very good presence in team fight, buff teammates, very good mobility, still good at 1v1
Damage isn’t that amazing now after all the nerfs sword received. CC isn’t that good either (very good you say?), try Warrior and see how easy and accessible CC is.
The buffs can be given by other classes that also bring more, just to give you an example a warrior bring might easily, actually good DPS and Banners.
I believe you just play PvP, in PvP sure it might be half decent. In PvE, the rotation and everything the class can bring are simply awful. Almost everything relies on auto-attack because besides Precise Strike (only if target is alone) your dps will suck.
Hell even Unrelenting Assault does the damage of 3 auto-attacks while it used to be more interesting and powerful before even after some nerfs. Now it’s just a bad joke.
There are reasons why you don’t see many revenants now and why it is not very much wanted in PvE groups.
I was talking about pvp.
In pve Yes, it lack a bit of dps to be at pair of DH, and need some buff there.
But you can’t say it doesnt have Group support since it can provide protection or fury and might, 6k dps to your Group thanks by assasination presence and, Yes, good cc, can share resistance, and pull conditions from teammates.
In pve revenant need just some dps imcrease.
In pvp I can bet 50g it will still be a metà dps build
To be honest I love this change… Now we need an after cast time reduction on dragon thoot, a Phoenix cooldown reduction and 1 more stack of vulnerability on shatterstone and we will fine
I also hope that these change will be add to pve too
I think they’re doing this so they can have some people testing it, then they will add to PVE.
Sorry if I ask but lol…. Test what?
Air scepter auto will still be inferior to Dagger auto.
And the others change doesn’t have any impact at all in pve…
Nor in WvW to be honest
The arc lighting change is kinda pathetic. Yeah, let’s make autoattacks do more damage than everything else in the game. Sound fun, doesn’kitten And since when is “it?” a curse word?? wat
Wtf… How Arc Lighting does more damage than everything else
To be honest I love this change… Now we need an after cast time reduction on dragon thoot, a Phoenix cooldown reduction and 1 more stack of vulnerability on shatterstone and we will fine
I also hope that these change will be add to pve too
To be honest swapping between air and fire (using fresh air trait) is a dps boost vs small hit box than camping fire.
The AA on air is not really good so you can use a conjured weapon in the while you are waiting for air overload to be ready to use.
Water and earth are not for dps, they are for utility. You need heals/water field? Go water… You need some cc or a balst finisher or a reflect? Go earth.
Ranger is pretty much a hard counter for a thief in a duel, really shouldn’t die to one unless you get +1d.
So what does it change?
He said that “enormous amounts” of people ask to him how to fight thieves with Rangers and as answer he posted a video where he stomp only terribile thieves (in unranked and with silly matchup, take a look on scores).
I mean, a thief that insted of run away and +1 somewhere else engage him again with 1/3hp and get rekct by mail without Dodge, a D/D that did nothing other random steals and so on…
Yes as revenant you dps rotation is just autoattacking and use 2 out of cooldown. Then you just upkeep facets (you can use the One that give swiftness for do dps) and swap to jalis when your Energy is low then upkeep hammers. Every skill you use that is not sword 1 and 2 is just a dps and Energy loss.
Staff AA is similar damage to sword but it doesnt proc that trait in devastation line that give you +%damage so it is also a dps lost. It is just for breckbar (if really needed) or utility (block and blast).
I’m not going to argue about tempest, dh and balance.
But you are really judging a class for a single random match in unranked? Do you really think that it is the right way of judging a class?
Because you know, I can invite 4 skilled eles and join an unranked match, go everyone fresh air core Ele and maybe win the match because a lucky matchmaking and post the screenshot here. Would be that means Ele fresh air is a strong metà class?
And to be honest the balance is really better after hot then before.
I mean everyclass, maybe out of revenant now, have a spot in raid.
Really? Are you even listen to what u have to say. I guess that somehow rev has suddenly escaped our notice and become the elephant in the room now. Suure, class balance is better (except rev but who cares, we were here 1st).
Somehow the only class that they coincidentally released with hot, has suddenly become the one that’s now completely broken and useless in pve – and maybe outside of it too. But balance after hot has really improved, sure sure.
I mean, it doesn’t matter that u have to strong-arm everyone who mains a Rev into abandoning their class in pursuit of another one, bc let’s face it doesn’t apply to you anyway. I once had a guildie that complained from getting kicked from every raid, and how he was a new player and he just got full asc set on his rev, now he feels like he has to toss it in the scrapyard and start over again.
It doesn’t matter if revenant has become an untouchable in raids now, or that it’s suddenly and unwittingly been consigned and relegated to opprobrium. Just shut the door behind it and leave it in the dark, it’s not even worth mentioning now. Long as all other classes have a role in raids, right? It doesn’t matter that most of these roles aren’t even equal in stature to each other, or that some classes are still favored over others.
I mean, It’s bslanced cos all classes have a spot in raids, despite most spots being exclusive and only open to a select few classes over others. Riiight
A lot of words here.
1 balance is better now yes, we had more classes unviable in the past, now just rev is underperforming (but to be honest is still viable in fractals, just not optimal in raids) but is very far to be useless in pve. And very good in pvp and wvw.
2 your friend can still move his Gear to Warrior and guardian… And for your info I spent a lot of golds on my rev so I’m not happy that it is in that state.
3 i never said just forgot revenant and close the door. You are so salty and you are putting a lot of words in my mouth. I’m not happy that revenant is not anymore optimal, i hope for a buff/rework to it for be again optimal, but people can’t say that balance after hot is broken in pve because, again, only One class is not OPTIMAL while the other are all good.
Shield is not horrible but very good, heals+ block+ protection. also sword off hand is good but less than shield.
Shield is currently the worst off hand weapon the Herald has, at least in PvP/WvW roaming. Crystal Hiberbation roots you in the ground making you ultra vulnerable to conditions, plus kitten s your energy (cost 25 units, the most expensive weapon skill for the Herald, not even staff #5 comes close) and Envoy of Exuberance can’t compete with the mix of defense/ofense/cc that off hand sword and axe offers.
I guess that most of the players who run power Herald doesn’t worry about how terribad shield is against builds with conditions (Necros, Mesmers, Rangers… ) due they already known that those are lost battles anyway, but that doesn’t makes the shield a better choice.
So if shield is the worst weapon in pvp explain me why every esl player run it…
Bec Axe and Sword offhand are much more horrible. That doesn’t mean Shield is great, its just everything else sucks. Kinda like the presidential election, they both suck, but you have to pick one to fill that slot.
1 he said shield is the worst weapon Herald has, so he meant that other offhand weapons are better
2 shield It’s a very good weapons, I mean heals, protection and block… What else do you need lol
I quit this game mainly because since HoT the balance is complete garbage. My main almost since release guard is realistically worthless (not needed/unoptimal, don’t tell me the joke utility of guard is worth for the dps loss towards an ele) in the only real endgame content, while eles are allowed to shine 24/7 with multiple builds all year like they are demi gods. I got sick of it for good. I’m a fan of pugging and understandably pugging is not possible unless you play ele as a dps, the only role that is fun.
I heared Halloween this year was another cash grab as well, seems like the future of this game is looking real dead.
At least a big competitor of this genre is looking to have a bright future again. They got problems with mages as well but it is not such joke severe like in this game with eles.
Actually I can’t remeber the last time that I did a raid boss without a DH.
Also the best class to find a spot on pugs raids nowadays are condi ps, druid and Chrono. Since they are less common of ele.
And to be honest the balance is really better after hot then before.
I mean everyclass, maybe out of revenant now, have a spot in raid.
Guys, you didn’t understand what he said. He doesn’t mean cd on single attunements. Actually if you swap like fire and immediatly to another attunement there is a very little cd, the same Mesmer has on his shatters skills. Just go in game and try it, swap to an element and then very fast to another.
I have this problem a lot of times, while.for example I’m in air, I swap to earth for instacast focus4 and I want to.go immediatly in fire, it is no possibile because there is like “0,idk how much” sec of cooldown.
Shield is not horrible but very good, heals+ block+ protection. also sword off hand is good but less than shield.
Shield is currently the worst off hand weapon the Herald has, at least in PvP/WvW roaming. Crystal Hiberbation roots you in the ground making you ultra vulnerable to conditions, plus kitten s your energy (cost 25 units, the most expensive weapon skill for the Herald, not even staff #5 comes close) and Envoy of Exuberance can’t compete with the mix of defense/ofense/cc that off hand sword and axe offers.
I guess that most of the players who run power Herald doesn’t worry about how terribad shield is against builds with conditions (Necros, Mesmers, Rangers… ) due they already known that those are lost battles anyway, but that doesn’t makes the shield a better choice.
So if shield is the worst weapon in pvp explain me why every esl player run it…
You literally have to try harder as a Revenant than other classes. You can get a kill 200% easier as a Dragonhunter/Berserker/Chrono/Reaper/Daredevil/Druid/Scrapper while watching Netflix. Mallyx/Resistance can only get you so far. Retribution/Jalis is useless. Hammer is too slow, Sword is too buggy, Staff is just horrible. All offhand weapons are bad with the shield the least horrible. Rev attacks are so predictable your enemy has to be completely new to get hit by it. Shiro/Glint Heals both nerfed, the current meta build offers no Stability and 1-3 Condi Clear.
If you love winning easy in PVP, don’t Rev or Ele.
Please… Revenant is a very good choose in pvp. And staff is a very good weapon, with one of the strongest, if not the stronger, cc in pvp, a condi clean+blast. A good AA and the block with the lower cooldown in the game.
Sword is buggy but is also very good, AA give a lot of damage out put, sword 2 can do really high damage vs single player or if you positionate yourself in the right way during a team fight. Sword 3 can be both High damage skill or good defensive skill.
If you are predictable with your skill is because you use them bad.
Shield is not horrible but very good, heals+ block+ protection. also sword off hand is good but less than shield.
Hammer is not really good in pvp but Shine in wvwv.
For the heals complain, Yes they were nerfed but revenant still has an High susistain
