Guild Wars 2

hihey.1075:

One thing I have always wondered is if it is wise to destroy the turrets when they are deployed. They’ll take just a couple of seconds to be destroyed…

I’m asking this because I don’t see many engis in WvW – and those I meet are really terrible.

Mostly the turrets you will face are from the supply crate. It is our only real elite, and is good for area fights, but if you are a thief… GTFO of its radius. There is a net turret, a flame turret and a healing turret when NOT traited, and while the net keeps you immobile, I am getting regen and med packs which ALSO drop from it. Look at it like this, while you are destroying the healing turret, the flame turret is keeping burning up on you, and you are rooted, there are 3 to kill, and even with aoes it will give me an opportunity for some free grenade tosses or bombs.

You are lucky you don’t face some of the better engineers, there is a relatively high skill ceiling, and most of us will never reach it, but it does make the less-skilled seem even worse.

Elidath.5679:

DigitalMaster.4870:

Why would they nerf something that doesnt show up in structured PvP anyway?

there is hardly any balance in WvW

They still nerfed confusion damage in WvW by 50% not so long ago. So I would say it’s entirely possible for them to nerf on WvW basis.

I feel like this is correct, I have been running these on my engie, and I can’t wait for them to nerf the runeset so I can get out of this stupid interrupt build.

I have a thief as well, and based on a guildies suggestion, theory crafted a s/p – p/d build but even with a trap and scorpion wire, this would be too far from my play style to be effective.

I ran into no less that 3 other engineers running these last night, and honestly, we all agreed they were stupid OP… esp considering our AoE interrupts. Big Ol’ Bomb and supply crate alone spread up to 50 stacks of confusion among 5-10 potential targets. Not to mention that we already have confusion stacking with concussion bomb, pistol 3 and pry bar… all of which have a possible interrupt skill as well.

Stability is obviously a hard counter and while I use Mine on engineer for the boon removal, I think thief would really shine simply because a s/d – s/p build for the Larcenous Strike. Trait for the daze on steal and focus down a target with s/p and 25 stacks of confusion.

Master of Timespace.2548:

Oozo.7856:

Ragnar.4257:

Tsezar.6950:

th probelm with this runes is the duration as well.. i got today 20 stacks confusuin wich last like 15 sec.. 15 sec wehre you cant do anything when you already have low hp

Can’t do anything…… except cleanse the condition.

But only noobs slot condition cleanse right?

Only noobs don’t realize that confusion from the runes will be applied at a much faster rate than condition removers come off of cooldown.

Only noobs don’t realize that good players will force a condition removal before using their interrupts to stack confusion.

Only noobs don’t realize that good players will wait until stability is gone before using their interrupts to stack confusion.

Wow, I can play this game too.

It’s just that conditions in this game are generally too strong as they allow both extreme defense and extreme damage. These runes are just tip of the ice berg, even if I hate that saying.

Conditions can be cleansed, most professions have some form of cleanse that syncs nicely with popular builds. You may have to sacrifice some dps for it, but most of these “condi-tanks” have sacrificed for their build as well.

Jinks.2057:

The ppl who defend this kitten are absolutely hilarious.

Not NEARLY as funny as the people whining about it.

“Oh no, I can’t faceroll everything in the game anymore!”

Get some condition removal, and maybe try ROLLING a Necro, Ranger, or Engie, so you can see how their skills work, and which to avoid. Watch some youtube vids of Condi tanks “pwning noobs,” and then play defensively with that in mind.

Yeah, I rolled a Guard and literally couldn’t believe how much easier ALL content is with it.

That being said, it is made me a MUCH better player.

Chaba.5410:

Yes, free 200 toughness from Juggernaut, then you have to stay in FT all the time to benefit if you don’t have a good base toughness.

Engineer has good healing to mitigate lower vitality, especially if you are using EG or Backpack Regen and Omnomberry Pie, which you’re using to mitigate the way retaliation punishes FT #1 (yes? yes?).

Ya gonna need more than just the pie to mitigate that damage, there are 10 procs in 2.5 seconds, and only 2 of those will heal you with the 1 second internal cool down.

I am not a fan of the FT 1 skill in wvw, I typically turn off auto attack and just use it as a push, a fire field, and a blind. I may use it through the door of a keep, but only if there are no arrow carts.

FYI – It works AWESOME with the perplexity runes.

You guys need more Hammer Warriors. Seriously, I only saw one like… every third toon.

Where is the dedication?

Oozo.7856:

Xsorus.2507:

People run Bunker Condition Builds because classes like the Thief/Mesmer/Warrior Exist who can instant kill you if you run anything else.

Exactly correct. One is a symptom of the other. It’s another example of how poorly Anet has handled min-maxing and risk versus reward.

I don’t think it is too poorly designed for pvp, for pve, it is terribad.

These builds are a response to over-powered builds as Oozo posted, but I would add the hammer guardian to the list as well. As an Engineer, we can’t go toe-to-toe with any of the above without running a condition build.

QQ all you want, but until everyone rolls an engineer as a core member of their wvw team, don’t point at conditions in general as being “broken.” Necros recently enjoyed a series of buffs that made them a very viable and a uniquely positioned profession in the meta. Pair that with the broken rune sets from the latest patch, and now all the OP professions and “key” builds don’t win all the time vs the “new meta.”

Welcome to the other side. L2P.

P/S instead of rifle. Sigil of earth, sigil of corruption (if you don’t go down that much) or sigil of accuracy (the +5% bonus to precision), or if you don’t want to spend the money, sigil of agony for +10% bleed duration.

wait… are you pve, pvp, or wvw?

Yamsandjams.3267:

Too bad it’s still not re-enabled underwater, like they said they were going to look at doing back when they disabled it underwater.

But yeah, the new rocket boots is really good. It’s been getting a lot of use in sPvP and WvW since the update. Probably in PvE as well, although that’s a bit harder to judge, and usually isn’t as necessary so long as you’re blowing everything up.

Love the new boots, my suggestion would be to have them underwater as well, with a slight renaming to Jet Flippers, or something like that.

You know, like the tool kit #2 underwater. But don’t give it away, let the noobies check it in game.

Boererik.3459:

Dasboba.1652:

Engineer grenades technically hit 5 players each, with 3 grenades per throw. So theoretically, one throw could hit up to 15 players if each grenade were to hit 5 separate enemies. That said, it also means, theoretically, an engineer could hit himself with 15 hits of retaliation in one throw. So I’m not sure if it’s a blessing or a curse.

So in theory you can chill 15 players with freeze grenade.

No, the 5-target limit still applies, but you can give those 5 targets 6 seconds of chill each if the grenades are 2 seconds and you hit each target with all 3.

Zenguy.6421:

Fields that have effects when you pass through them – the move though effect seems to be uncapped.

Especially pulsing ground effects, like necro marks, 5 per pulse, but duration determines number of pulses.

I smell Troll…

Anyone else smell that?

Just noticed this as well.

Is this a joke? One stack on Sigil of corruption is better than this. I hope whoever came up with this as a “patch” gets laughed at in every staff meeting for the rest of his/her life.

BlackBeard.2873:

I agree 100% with the food issue. It makes certain classes able to completely ignore all control effects, making them nigh-unkillable in WvW. For instance, a warr or engie (even ele, but they are squishies) can have -33% reduction on chill, cripple, immob from trait, -25 % from melandru, and -40% from food, meaning -98% reduction on these condis. Add that to a tanky build with mobility and good dps and you have a build that will only die when they want to/over-extend.

Also, the +condi food is only worthwhile on a condi class, and thus every non-condi class loses access to all soft-cc against these builds.

Without this food, the stun-warrior is much weaker and doesn’t need as much, or even any adjustment in wvw.

Just a quick note about this, you didn’t mention our most devastating trait re: conditions, but you seem to be under the impression that we can be very high DPS while being tanky. This is not the case, I assure you.

We can bring reasonable condition DPS to the table while maintaining higher toughness and a bit of tankiness, but we must choose among limited options for build strength.

If we use the runes, food and traits, our condition duration goes WAY below -100% under certain circumstances, but for this, we sacrifice at least half of our condition DPS.

I do use the Mel. runes, but for the food, I use the +40% condition duration, and for traits, I am just trying to keep myself alive and mobile.

The sky isn’t falling due to Engineers being OP, believe me.

I agree with that sentiment, allowing me to use the tickets I’ve accumulated on the other toons I play would be far, far less frustrating for time-critical content. I don’t have the hours to farm up another 70 tickets, but I have at least 200 across my characters.

Account bound tickets would have been much smarter, in my opinion, and I can’t even guess why they didn’t make them AB after saying not all professions could beat all the gauntlet champions.

No good reason for it that I can see at all.

I have personally burned at least 70 tickets on the fight, and it is teaching me 2 things:

1. There is a rhythm to the encounter, just like all fights in the game, if you don’t panic, you learn it easily.

2. There are a LOT of bugs with the camera system, especially in a fighting dome where the outside is nearly impossible to maneuver around to see who you are supposed to be fighting. Staying in the middle is easier for the fight in general, but this makes it almost necessary.

Despite not winning against her yet, I am learning a LOT in this fight, after solving some minor problems with the earlier challengers, this feels like a genuine trial. Both something to aspire to and something to feel quite proud about winning. So don’t give up, I can almost guarantee you will take away some good play style habits even if you don’t beat her.

Thanks very much, it was lots of fun!

You guys are doing a great service for the engineering community.

SHAKA ZULU.3128:

lunyboy.8672:

SHAKA ZULU.3128:

lunyboy.8672:

Bllade.1029:

KyoHanakaze.8145:

Xom.9264:

KyoHanakaze.8145:

Nyx Xox.3540:

Kinda sad [VLK] and [Mend] turned us down for a GvG. [BS] LF to GvGing with you guys!! Anyone else wanna GvG contact me in game. [CNB] is willing to GvG with anyone, as we see it as a chance to learn and practice our organizational open field combat (: Please be registered for the GvG website http://gw2gvg.com/ (:

[VLK] You should really give us a shot, we are not guardian heavy, especially with our new comp.

I was told to contact [Rawr] and [PHZE] if you guys are interested shoot me a mail (: Thankies!!

<3 Nyx

We aren’t looking for the kind of fights you guys are and I can guarantee you BS won’t GvG you either.

Oh boy, how I miss the days of casual gvg matches. 15 is a bit of a chore its most the guild we will see what happens,

It is casual for us. :P What I meant by “the kind of fights” is the whole 15+ thing, and also why I said your guild probably wouldn’t. Neither VLK nor BS are the kind of guild that fields that kind of number on a regular basis nor works consistently with those numbers.

I’m not interested in playing Guardian Wars personally.

I’m not really into Hammer Warrior Wars either, that is getting old.

And down with thief gank duos and mesmers while we’re at it. Who do these classes think they are, existing and all that? Engineers only in GW2 plz.

Can’t really hear you, all I hear is “Blah Blah Blah Blah I play an OP profession from a zerg server Blah Blah Blah Blah I’m so much better than you!”

I eat most thieves for breakfast, but Engineers have VERY little access to stability, making the hammer warriors that much more annoying, especially with the ridiculous damage numbers. I am also not the first person to acknowledge this stupid level of CC.

I don’t usually respond to trolling like yours, but I would assume I’ve hit a nerve, otherwise you wouldn’t have even bothered to comment. If you would like to bring your OP guard to a little 1v1 fight, I would be happy to show you that I don’t need a map full of engie’s to win. You can even bring your hammer, I think that would be hilarious.

Holy moly a few of you ET and HoD guys are so touchy. It was a joke dude! I am of the opinion that I don’t care what/how you play, and as this is a forum I expressed that opinion in joke form. You are more than welcome to duel my group support build guardian, I am sure you will cherish and squeeze the bag you will receive.

ETA I think your sig implies you play an eng! I too have an eng. See? We can still be friends!

I will love it and hold it and squeeze it and it will be ALL MINE!

P.S. I wasn’t complaining about hammer warriors on your server specifically, just in general and s/tPvP as well. The lack of stability is QUITE glaring in my profession when all the hammers come out.

SHAKA ZULU.3128:

lunyboy.8672:

Bllade.1029:

KyoHanakaze.8145:

Xom.9264:

KyoHanakaze.8145:

Nyx Xox.3540:

Kinda sad [VLK] and [Mend] turned us down for a GvG. [BS] LF to GvGing with you guys!! Anyone else wanna GvG contact me in game. [CNB] is willing to GvG with anyone, as we see it as a chance to learn and practice our organizational open field combat (: Please be registered for the GvG website http://gw2gvg.com/ (:

[VLK] You should really give us a shot, we are not guardian heavy, especially with our new comp.

I was told to contact [Rawr] and [PHZE] if you guys are interested shoot me a mail (: Thankies!!

<3 Nyx

We aren’t looking for the kind of fights you guys are and I can guarantee you BS won’t GvG you either.

Oh boy, how I miss the days of casual gvg matches. 15 is a bit of a chore its most the guild we will see what happens,

It is casual for us. :P What I meant by “the kind of fights” is the whole 15+ thing, and also why I said your guild probably wouldn’t. Neither VLK nor BS are the kind of guild that fields that kind of number on a regular basis nor works consistently with those numbers.

I’m not interested in playing Guardian Wars personally.

I’m not really into Hammer Warrior Wars either, that is getting old.

And down with thief gank duos and mesmers while we’re at it. Who do these classes think they are, existing and all that? Engineers only in GW2 plz.

Can’t really hear you, all I hear is “Blah Blah Blah Blah I play an OP profession from a zerg server Blah Blah Blah Blah I’m so much better than you!”

I eat most thieves for breakfast, but Engineers have VERY little access to stability, making the hammer warriors that much more annoying, especially with the ridiculous damage numbers. I am also not the first person to acknowledge this stupid level of CC.

I don’t usually respond to trolling like yours, but I would assume I’ve hit a nerve, otherwise you wouldn’t have even bothered to comment. If you would like to bring your OP guard to a little 1v1 fight, I would be happy to show you that I don’t need a map full of engie’s to win. You can even bring your hammer, I think that would be hilarious.

tencoderiot.6430:

lunyboy.8672:

I got it on my first try with my chill grenade build. If you want the build, I would be happy to post it.

That would make my day actually. : D

Here ya go: http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=VW;4cPVg0l6BRFx0;9;4T;09T47A;40;0518N7;131-2DsV2LQhm-Fj7M;17a-VOVTWYXcYi3o413WJ-2i;9;9;9;9;9;9;0V6k3K

This generates about 14 seconds of chill every 20 or so seconds. I didn’t really retrait and optimize for cripples as well, or I could have added quite a bit of up time to that with this build.

It give exactly +100% chill uptime, with two procs, one on the freeze grenade and one on the sup sigil. Just start spamming when the fight starts, rocket boots to the meat, with dodge rolls for a bit extra maneuverability. You can drop box of nails, but you CANNOT root the dog, I tried this several times with the rifle and net turret, but it seems only the 2 movement conditions work.

Good luck. And if you have any questions, I will try to answer them. This is my typical dungeon build, and I use this p/s combo for fights like the orrian gorillas in Arah, or when AoE chills would be useful. Otherwise I use one sigil of fire or night, and one for the dominant mob type, usually with the potent slaying potion.

Haven’t gotten to a 10k prybar yet, but I hit 9550 yesterday against Cursed Shore trash.

So much crying…

Delicious.

I got it on my first try with my chill grenade build. If you want the build, I would be happy to post it.

Bllade.1029:

KyoHanakaze.8145:

Xom.9264:

KyoHanakaze.8145:

Nyx Xox.3540:

Kinda sad [VLK] and [Mend] turned us down for a GvG. [BS] LF to GvGing with you guys!! Anyone else wanna GvG contact me in game. [CNB] is willing to GvG with anyone, as we see it as a chance to learn and practice our organizational open field combat (: Please be registered for the GvG website http://gw2gvg.com/ (:

[VLK] You should really give us a shot, we are not guardian heavy, especially with our new comp.

I was told to contact [Rawr] and [PHZE] if you guys are interested shoot me a mail (: Thankies!!

<3 Nyx

We aren’t looking for the kind of fights you guys are and I can guarantee you BS won’t GvG you either.

Oh boy, how I miss the days of casual gvg matches. 15 is a bit of a chore its most the guild we will see what happens,

It is casual for us. :P What I meant by “the kind of fights” is the whole 15+ thing, and also why I said your guild probably wouldn’t. Neither VLK nor BS are the kind of guild that fields that kind of number on a regular basis nor works consistently with those numbers.

I’m not interested in playing Guardian Wars personally.

I’m not really into Hammer Warrior Wars either, that is getting old.

Runamok.9638:

Sentinel.5731:

But not when they all think that they are Gods gift to WvW. We had a commander tag who told me that “Attacking is more important than defending” (by which he meant that he should smash his face against a t1 Durious instead of defending the t3 Bravost.)

I had a guy(a commander) the other day call me an idiot for not retaking the Dredge before retaking Wildcreek because there was no way to defend Rogues Quarry without the Dredge. Rogues Quarry had to be free from the Dredge menance!

This was a time when I was commanding severely outgunned mid-day EST. So I was scrambling to defend or take back our T1 towers the best I could. All while hoping to offensive ninja some T3 along the way. I got a hearty laugh out of it, but everyone has their own ideas about how to best play WvW. Mine just doesn’t include putting the lockdown on NPC’s. NPC’s > towers for lyphe bro.

Sorry Dredge loving dude!

-One Angry Motha

2 notes:

1. If you don’t take dredge, they will spawn a team to take rogue’s over and over for the entirety of the time their team doesn’t own it. It happens with all the merc NPC groups, and without active defenders or RI, they will take it. Letting another team take it will allow them to build inertia, even with a smaller group to apply serious pressure on WC. And you don’t “retake” dredge, you either take them from neutral, or neutralize them from another team.

2. If that commander chastised you in Map, they should be called onto the carpet by all the other commanders in your server. A commander isn’t only a person barking orders in /t for everyone to follow, they often set the tone of a server’s disposition in map chat. A good commander would have explained what I did above and asked you to please prioritize a 3 minute or less detour to neuter the moles before moving onto Rogue’s and WC.

Second guessing a commanders decisions is one thing, excoriating them in a public fashion is wholly unacceptable.

If more than one commander whispers you and lets you know that things should be done a certain way, though, you should listen. Especially if they are respected on the server.

Make uneven, geometrically fubared, difficult to traverse JP in middle of a dungeon.

Populate with AoE knockback mobs.

Update combat engine to render mobs invulnerable on certain geometrically fubared terrain, or non-LoS pathing situations, erring on the side of invulnerability.

GG ANet.

Obscure One.4357:

What’s that you say? Can thieves do anything other than spam stealth and massive damage?

They really don’t have to, even in “real” pvp. I have run across at least 10 “small teams” in WvW who are 4 bunkers and a glass thief, and while you are fighting the bunkers with 10+ people, the thief is picking you off, one at a time. And they win more often than they should, because stealth.

What can a thief do in WvW?

Focus down eles, guards, siege, etc., follow zergs – O&R, cut supply, gank slowpokes, contest every tower on a BL map in less than 4 min, group stealth… the only limit is the player ability.

It is all in WHO is playing the thief, and HOW they want to play.

To be fair, I main an Engie and stomp the crap out of thieves regularly, but this build is stupid and easy. Cut the leap finisher out of HS, allow blocks or misses to reveal and everyone go back to the normal amount of complaining about thieves.

PS. One of the reasons Thieves are the target of so much angst is that when people complain about other professions, they are doing it wrong; i.e. the retaliation threads, or the confusion threads are mostly about Guardians and Mesmers respectively, and the zerg threads are about all high-vis professions that have good team dynamics and therefore conga line when it’s Limbo time. Thieves stick out because they solo gank, and very few specifically point to a mechanic (although stealth is mentioned in the threads themselves) beyond the profession as a whole. So while I agree on some level that thieves don’t have the team support of MOST other professions on a mechanical level, that doesn’t mean they can’t fulfill other roles reasonably, if not well.

This whole thread is dedicated to a SINGLE combo that thieves use to gain access to even more stealth than this set of traits/skills might ordinarily allow for, and is therefore even easier to abuse. So while some in this thread are just airing their general QQ about thieves, I think the point has been made well that this build requires some balancing.

Natar.3671:

behold NSP 2.0+ a beautiful t3 bay with a wp. wat a beauty

That means it will be worth more when we retake it. You can just sneak in again the way you did last match up, so you might as well not even put up a fight.

Shanks R Us.2489:

lunyboy.8672:

Hey, look at that. Here is someone from AR in this very thread spawn-camping Borlis Pass… Now what was that you guys were saying about how dishonorable we are?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFTo6LyENSY

ahahahahahaha. Good job digging that gem up.

Refer to the last song in the video, was a one time thing for me. Our thief, on the other hand, has too much fun doing it

Edit:

Now that I think about it, you guys really shouldn’t take my actions as a reflection of the AR server. Here’s the truth: most people on my server don’t like me, lol. I don’t do ‘real wvw,’ I troll our largest guild [WAR] on map chat all the time (because they’re useless), and I usually tell people to go away when more than 1 or 2 start following me. Honestly, I’m sure people on enemy servers like me more than on my own.

I am on HoD, and I have never and will never spawn camp (except for that one time) but that doesn’t mean that we aren’t all being painted with the same brush just because a few of us have engaged in it.

Once again, I am just keeping everyone honest about their statements in this thread, and this seemed like an appropriate response since it had server names in it and everything.

Hey, look at that. Here is someone from AR in this very thread spawn-camping Borlis Pass… Now what was that you guys were saying about how dishonorable we are?

Shanks R Us.2489:

lunyboy.8672:

Shanks R Us.2489:

lunyboy.8672:

I don’t care when I die, and I certainly don’t get flustered by the PvP tryhards who got lost on their way to hot join and now can’t win without their OP food buffs.

lol

I’m serious. When I stomp them, I use my Rabbit finisher, because I don’t care. (that is my rank, btw)

They come to our BL looking for “good fights” (read: ganking uplevels one at a time) and then brag on the forums about how "small’ their “team” is.

What I do is keep them busy and feed them badges so they don’t start thinking about actually taking towers or any of those menial things the wvw plebs are in charge of; so while they are hitting me with their over-sized hammers, the rest of my server is hopefully being productive.

Then they get bored with killing the same few “Noobs” over and over again for very few points, and move on after complaining on the forums about the lack of “good fights” and “small teams.”

I laughed because I’m what you described, minus the uplevel part.

I usually only solo roam, and I’m just running around looking for “good fights” =P. Sure, I kill uplevels, but I never expect anything out of them. I like finding the few good players. As you said, I don’t bother with taking towers or anything. Hitting a door over & over and killing an NPC doesn’t sound attractive to me.

See you Thursday.

I haven’t seen you brag about it, and you don’t have the bluster associated with one of those groups and seem quite reasonable.

Honestly people can play wvw any way they like, I was just pointing out that when I get farmed for badges/loots, I generally don’t care. I like fighting, I like fighting outnumbered when I have a shot, and I win now and then, which is nice.

But I am specifically on our BL for the server, I observe and report, follow enemy activity, back cap camps, and make fun of people in map. As long as you don’t 3v1 me, then spam laugh, I will be quite cordial, and even talk to you in party.

I look at it like this:

[img]http://www.wiseacre-gardens.com/toons/wile._timeclock.jpg[/img]

Oozo.7856:

lunyboy.8672:

Oozo.7856:

In this thread a guy who can’t count gives advice to other people.

OHHHHHhhh…. you are one of those BSty people.

You killed me like 40 times yesterday… you gonna be a fight club? I would like to try you 1 at a time.

I’m not good enough to be in BSty, but they let me ride their coattails every once in awhile. I think some of them do fight clubs or at least Crank does.

The counting comment wasn’t directed at you, BTW.

All good. I don’t take forum posts personally anyway

I watched your vid, you should come if you can.

Shanks R Us.2489:

lunyboy.8672:

I don’t care when I die, and I certainly don’t get flustered by the PvP tryhards who got lost on their way to hot join and now can’t win without their OP food buffs.

lol

I’m serious. When I stomp them, I use my Rabbit finisher, because I don’t care. (that is my rank, btw)

They come to our BL looking for “good fights” (read: ganking uplevels one at a time) and then brag on the forums about how "small’ their “team” is.

What I do is keep them busy and feed them badges so they don’t start thinking about actually taking towers or any of those menial things the wvw plebs are in charge of; so while they are hitting me with their over-sized hammers, the rest of my server is hopefully being productive.

Then they get bored with killing the same few “Noobs” over and over again for very few points, and move on after complaining on the forums about the lack of “good fights” and “small teams.”

Oozo.7856:

In this thread a guy who can’t count gives advice to other people.

OHHHHHhhh…. you are one of those BSty people.

You killed me like 40 times yesterday… you gonna be a fight club? I would like to try you 1 at a time.

Jscull.2514:

Dovgan all it means is that dude cryin was one of the peeps that got smoked and feel stupid and hate someone else brought it up publicly. Lol

Oh, I got “smoked” several times that day, but I don’t come on here to cry about it. I was just making sure that we were all honest about the teams we were fielding, and as much as I understand what AR is going though, the poster I quoted basically said they had every person in wvw in one location by logical deduction of their statements. Thus my post.

This was factually incorrect, and just as the screen shot was posted proving my point, that same poster laughs about how few people that is… right.

I don’t care when I die, and I certainly don’t get flustered by the PvP tryhards who got lost on their way to hot join and now can’t win without their OP food buffs.

I showed up for NSP, I showed up for SF, I will show up for AR and DR. Unlike some other posters who think the forum is the fight.

Maskaganda.2043:

WhiteAndMilky.2514:

MiLkZz.4789:

Play clever, I have never had trouble with retal. They nerfed the damage by 50% it is fine now.

Go use an engi flamethrower on 2 guardians with retaliation. 8000 damage to yourself every auto attack….

thats the exact opposite of clever play. why would you ever use autoattack on flamethrower except for exploiting through keep doors, and why would you use it against guardians.

You mean because we can stand on the wall and toss grenades? Oh wait, we can’t do that because the the GIANT KITTENING NECRO MARKS.

Oh, maybe we can just AoE the Door… nope, they can operate the ram from 100 units back, out of range of all but 2 of our AoEs, and those might not hit for some reason… oh yeah, because of all the pets/minions/clones eating the 5 target limit.

Guess we should just get on an arrow cart, might as well roll a guardian.

And shooting though keep doors isn’t an “exploit” since about 11ty-kitten other skills ALSO go through it or act like it isn’t there. Nothing like getting hit with dragon’s tooth when you are on an AC inside a keep.

The point this poster was trying to make is that FT actually hits a retal’d target for LESS than the retaliation damage each tic. And with a 3 target limit and pervasive nature of light fields and blast finishers, it is VERY easy to eat most of your health by just auto-attacking 3 targets that are buffed and afk. Braindead? No, every engineer tried to use FT in wvw at least once. Most of us learn that is it basically useless, except for the push, and if you get clever with the blind.

I can show my work if you like, but this topic is approaching Egyptian Cotton status.

Thorson.9218:

JahRo.6432:

Opc.4718:

Everyone will learn to fear it when TFH owns the briar tower in your BL

We had great fun holding it today against HoD’s unamused 25 man zerg when they came around knocking after what we did in their BL, then wiped a good proportion of it when they finally got into the tower, all with a small man group. Plus some brave pugs. It was a fun night, and makes me feel better about this matchup c:

EDIT: The Video in all its zerg smashing glory
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZwuJ4WnvSU

Don’t let our tiny population fool ya

I wish I recorded the farm on your 30ish man zerg yesterday at your Lake tower with VLK lol. Instantly killed.

You realize you’re talking to someone from AR and 30-man zergs don’t exist on our server, right? Hell, you could even count minions, pets, mesmer clones, and NPCs and you still wouldn’t get to 30, LOL. O.o

I was at briar in HoD BL last night, and there were around 30 AR trying to take it. So why on earth would you commit more people than you have online at any given time to one small south tower?

And if they were all there, who was fighting us off in EB?

PS. I have screens of it.

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To the person claiming that 5 AR were holding vale against mini HoD zergs. 1 person doesn’t count as a zerg, and one person every 3 minutes or so is not the “world’s longest zerg.” It’s just a bunch of solos you 5v1ed (plus NPCs) and then bragged about on the forum.

Go you.

Bllade.1029:

playard.6035:

Bllade.1029:

qualm like a bomb.6512:

Never said you win because of other servers, and no one is crying. You have numbers pure and simple. Don’t expect us to hop servers because you have numbers. All the more reason to stay where the skill is ;-D

I have four letters for you: D – D – L – G. Wonder where your numbers are? Join that guild.

You’re not outnumbered, we’ve just got better coverage. Regardless, all this moaning and groaning is silly because when HoD and DR hit prime time, were pretty freakin’ even. When DDLG brings out the steamroll zerg, it’s back and forth. But when DDLG isn’t out, yeah you guys get rolled over.

That’s not our fault.

I would highly doubt if we’re pretty freakin’ even… we don’t have enough man power to hit both enemy borderlands hard like HoD. — if some of us did, homeland security people are kittened, or at least being VERY frustratingly busy. Also HoD kicked us out of EB during the weekend at least once or twice and it was not some NA early morning shift.

Just embrace what you’ve earned for yourself.

Again. Better coverage. Not outnumbered.

We spread the peanut butter evenly, 2-3 medium WvW guilds around different borderlands.

Seems to me like you guys slap down all your peanut butter when DDLG hits the field one place one time. Steam roll zerg.

^This. We have several commanders, guilds, and groups that take responsibility for each BL and EB, and then groups that float depending on where they are needed or where the fun fights are. We plan it that way, so everyone knows where to go first, kitten the situation via map chat, then move on if there are more useful/fun places to be.

Someone mentioned the Vale fight in the DR BL from yesterday morning, and for me, that will most likely be the only 2 hours I spend in that BL unless there is organized dueling. Otherwise, I will be in our BL, cannoning omegas.

playard.6035:

Sinester.3572:

DR crying we have numbers we ALLWAYS had more coverage then u guys we took all ur stuff in every matchup what u expect? the few ppl in DR that posted on the forums that we just win DR because of the other servers guess what u guys just make points and are balance whit us because of the other servers now heres ur lesson do not trash talk whitout a reason next time this time theres no stronger server to fight us back like the other matchups so we can focus and do our thing dont get mad, and about AR u guys look so awesome but no ppl at all u guys should transfer here! so we can all be stronger!

I counted only 1 comma and 0 period in that… paragraph?

This is how he talks, English isn’t his first language… and without profanity it is harder to tell when his sentences stop.

Arpheus.6918:

While on my Ranger it is really easy to solo camps beacuse you have a tanky pet and you can go full zerker without any problem I’m wondering how you solo a supply camp with a zerker static discharge engineer. Has anyone done that and can give me tips? Or do you need a condition engineer + lots of kiting to solo the camp?

If you are running full zerk, you need to make sure you are only peeling off 2 guards at a time and have some defensive utilities prepared, like tool kit. You are basically completely ranged with 95% of engie weapons/kits, so you are going to be kiting, and I use grenades for the burst potential of barrage+SD.

If you are running just SD with rifle and no kits, you are very limited for defense in general and while good 1v1, supply camps are going to suck. Maybe you should allocate your WxP points for guard defense (or offense) so you can make that easier.

scooby treat.8420:

So being in Ferguson’s Crossing tier 8 we are not only fighting a tier 5 server Darkhaven and a tier 6 server Isle of Janthir we also have to deal with the cheats. DH i guess has been called out many times for this “zoomhack” (i’m sure nothing will come of it) which 5 of us FC got to enjoy with there late zerg on us.

At this point this game is pretty much lost. As soon as any half decent game comes out you will see half of these people quit this game. Not only are the hacks/cheats ruining the game but the server matchups are as well. Here is a screenshot of them hitting our siege inside the tower while not being in the tower yet. There is a MMO coming out next month which you will have to pay monthly but i’m getting so sick of these that I will probably go buy it just to play something else. It saddens me that a very good looking game like GW2 can’t get it right and I don’t think they ever will.

The issue I think is that Anet just thinks people are just complaining and thakittens not a real issue because they are not making money off that part of the game anyway. One of the sad realities of a free to play MMO like GW2 is they are only concerned with what will make them money not what won’t. However, what they fail to realize is if they make a great balanced, hack free WvW game experience that is fun you would see a large increase of players. These would bring in not only WvW players but PvE players as well and still make them more money than what they are making now.

There is a game that has been out for a very very long time and is still doing better than GW2 and its a paid game (i’m sure you can figure out which game). Is it a better looking game? Not even close. Is it cheaper? No you have to pay each month. Then what makes the people stay and not come to GW2? They got it right (not for everyone but most of the masses).

Yeah, I remember when we fought Zoomhaven. I called them out on it in the forums, and they said “everyone does it.”

That was not a fun week, especially to be out-manned and having them cheat besides.

Jesse.4631:

JKFlipFlop.7123:

I’ve been looking for you!!! I’ve only managed to find Spectreal and another Yarr human thief. Only 2 Yarrs I’ve seen all week.

:o i’ve been on frequently this week, do you want to kill me :/

I want to kill the male sylvari thief from your guild that keeps showing up in the HoD BL and goes invisible without any animation. It’s one thing to play a thief well, but I think that guy may have had “help.”

As an engineer with possibly the worst downed skills in the game, all I can do is shake my head about the inability of one team of balancing professionals to talk to another team and actually raise concerns about the issues with mistform, vengeance, etc. with regard to implementing a new system of XP.

It’s almost like they don’t test things.

Carighan.6758:

Obscure One.4357:

In GW1 Paragons were incredibly overpowered for a very short period of time until they got pushed down nerf canyon and smacked their face on every nerfing stone on the way down. Because of this fewer people played the class. Because fewer people played the class fewer patches included buffs for them as they weren’t really relevant in the meta. Because they never got buffs even the hold out, die hards of the class quit playing it. Because the very best of the Paragon players abandoned the class the dev’s no longer had the most convincing voices for buffs so much as mildly nagging at them, so they just swept it aside into the “our fans don’t care” pile.

From personal experience this is almost, but not quite, entirely unlike how MMO balancing works.

Kinda worse here, since so much of the “balancing” advice is coming from the pvp hotshots where the split leads to different issues.

PVT without considering traits will leave you with almost no critical hits, no condition damage, no additional crit damage on the offhand chance you do crit, and enough power do almost nothing.

If you want to do tanky and kill things, consider either Rabid or Knight’s, or add some cavalier’s to your berserk set up and trait into firearms to make up for the drop in crit chance.

These are all hybrid tank builds that have the potential to deliver “decent” to “good” damage with some mitigation, depending how the build is set up. I alternate between the Rabid and the hybrid zerk, simply because I get bored, and frankly, that rune of melandru+food+trait thing completely shuts down my rabid build and is intensely frustrating. Not to mention there is no analog in crit damage builds, so I popped on a couple pieces of Cavalier’s and just run that at the moment.

Theftwind.8976:

It is time to throw a bit of oil on these troubled waters. When I posted the screens I had no idea that I had caught the nefarious Hugh Norfolk but I will attest to the fact that

A) He did glitch through the gate twice (both those screens of him were separate events)

B) He showed class in that he did not attack me but headed straight up the stairs to jump back out of the tower

So perhaps a little benefit of doubt is warranted here. First attempt was an “Aha! This is what they are talking about!” and the second was “Yep, that is how it is done!” sort of thing. All the politics and back and forth bickering are going to do nothing to help fix things and I am content that at least now this issue is now centered on their radar. They could probably fix it by closing that little hole between the gate and the gate frame.

Now a message for Hugh himself. Why do you waste your time on a server that needs 30+ people to take a tower manned by one lonely defender? Come on over to HoD and we will show you what real fighters can do. That bunch you are hanging out with is nothing more than a mindless “zerg” automaton; just think of all the trouble they just got you in! I mean they pushed you through the gate and tossed you under the bus. How can you trust such evil people?

Bumped for epic recruitment effort.

Kal Spiro.9745:

Fror.2163:

For me, the runes should stay locked behind dungeon tokens, but not account-bound. So we can sell them on the TP.

I agree with this, all runes should be bind on equip regardless of where you get them.

And the Superior versions of both runes and sigils should flush for randoms in the Mystic Toilet, just like exotic weapons.

Additionally, it would be nice if after a certain point, the special season runes and sigils would be added to the mystic toilet loot table as well.

13 gold for a Superior Sigil of Generosity? Are you serious?

Edited for correctiness

Skoar uhpdait?

/15 char.

The only reasons I use p/s is for the shield bubble/knock back and block/stun (which was nerfed because it was so OP HA!), but with the exception of the static shot, the pistol skills are not even worth discussing.

I had a guildie spectating me for PvP, and he was telling me that I wasn’t using the auto attack enough to build pressure… to which I said, “The auto attack doesn’t create pressure in any spec, it makes the target feel more comfortable just tanking my attacks, effectively doing the opposite.” It rang so true that I wrote it down, just so I could remember.

After that, I just kit swapped between grenades and elixir gun, never spending more than a few seconds either blast finishing, blocking, or blinding.

Deniara knows exactly what he/she is talking about.

Even down tier, half of my utility is eaten by the stability chaining from guardians, and the perma-stun crap is amazingly prevalent there as well.

I have the amazing privilege of running with other good engineers when playing WvW, and we all basically say the same things about our weaknesses, and Deniara is spot on with how we compare to the top 5 professions.

None of our specs fit those predefined roles that 90% of the wvw teams require. The closest would be our Rabid condition bunker, which is mitigated by the OP food, rune, trait, and skill synergy available to some professions (and is SO much more prevalent due to the Necro buffs). In a 5-man team, one guard and one ele cleanse most of the conditions we lay down anyway, rendering us superfluous without territory control with marks or fear.

Every profession has that one thing that they do, and do well. Except engineers. Again.