Guild Wars 2

I speculated a bit on some of the magic find gear, and this was one of the pieces I picked and stock-piled. Unfortunately.

In PvE – There are a dozen better sigils, and as Engineers, we can trait VERY heavily for boons anyway, so this is lacking in about every department.

PvP/WvW – S/d thieves, Necro’s Corrupt Boon, and the ‘on kill’ requirement make this as much a liability as a benefit.

This is only my opinion, but judging by the price, I would guess I am not alone.

Player Character.9467:

selan.8354:

Player Character.9467:

selan.8354:

Red Falcon.8257:

skillionaire.3574:

Only thing that needs changing imo is the skullcrack from 3 to 2 secs, match it with the earthshaker that’s already 2 sec stun.

How about you slot Stability instead.

Stability is the most fundamental PvP boon, if you run without it you are begging to die.

erm as a mesmers i gotta ask…which stability? the mantra one?try using a mantra in a fight. plus being stunlocked to death there wont be time to react with anything at all. so mesmers have no counter to a cc warrior at all.

except just blinking away…

lol u know that blink has a long cd and the range is pretty pathetic, plus in wvw a lot of people replace blink with a stunbreaker, condition remover and feedback.or we are forced to bring veil, ore portal with us.so yeah blink is not a viable argument. u can catch up with us way easier after blink is used.remember our movement speed is crap…

You want wvw balanced 1v1? lol

I’m gonna quote you on that after the big nerf.

Mepheles.2087:

….. /shrug :/ Honestly this is…. At this point, I don’t know what to say

Yeah, ordinarily I would troll your server for complaining about someone else zerging, but I wouldn’t wish this on anyone.

So I lift my glass to you, my DH comrade, I hope we meet on the field, and when one of us falls the other will tell the tale of a fight well fought.

Dirame.8521:

….snip…
One thing I noticed about this game is that, multiple sources of damage is better than depending on one skill to do all your damage. So something like Static discharge that depends on multiple skills is better than depending on Eviscerate which just a single skill. This is because for multiple skills, your average damage is always going to be greater and your chance of hitting also greater than that of a single attack skill. And if there’s anything an engineer is good at, it’s creating multiple sources of outgoing damage.

I agree with this on principle, but in order to be balanced, these smaller sources of damage should add up to more Damage Per Second than skills like eviscerate or 100blades simply due to power curve fall off.

A Warrior simply has to be in melee range for these skills to cleave, we have to land multiple shots (sometimes skill shots) in order to do less damage per second in the current model, especially when you look at damage as health percentage.

Nikkinella.8254:

I have plenty of condition cleanse. I shrug off the confusion anyway. It doesn’t affect my warrior at all. In fact I use the runes on one of my warrior builds. It is extremely OP. you should see how fast I drop people. Its easy to base an entire build around those runes.

The perpetual stun warrior build in general is OP. Period. How is it one profession has access to the longest CC in the game, and also has access to that much stability, all on heavy armor (and highest hp)? The runes are just the icing on the cake for that build.

Even with an ICD, people will still be complaining about Engineers that use the set, simply because we have other confusion skills to make stacks of 10 somewhat easy to accomplish on unwary opponents.

But this isn’t an Engineer problem, Engies run these runes because they are the only option for good runes in a condition build for a profession with reasonable access to CC.

Nikkinella.8254:

misha.3216:

Nikkinella.8254:

The rune is overpowered on ANY class if you stack up condition damage. Just autoattacking with my sword on warrior stacks up a ton of confusion. Get even more if I actually bother interrupting them. It’s definitely got to be bugged. there’s no way they intended them to be this powerful. ALL runes that have some sort of proc on then have an ICD. Perplexity does not. And you people don’t see anything wrong with that? You KNOW it’s a mistake, stop denying it. It needs a cooldown just like every single other rune in the game that has a proc on it.

so, like you said in another threat, unkillable tank war for you is a skill, but not a bug. And this runes – bug. huh

They are the only rune set with a proc that doesn’t have an ICD, so yes it is obviously a bug or some sort of oversight on their part. Anyone with half a brain should be able to figure that out. And turning a class into an unkillable tank is just by coming up with an intelligent build that no one else thought of since people don’t know how to take advantage of a class’s natural strengths and instead rely on cookie cutter fotm builds that people post on forums. I don’t see how one has to do with the other.

If only you had some condition cleanse in it, though, maybe you wouldn’t be so upset about these runes on what, less than 5% of the wvw population?

naboac.5876:

These runes are overpowered on nearly every class but it will probably be engineers who gets nerfed anyway

Lolyup. We have been nerfed patch-after-patch for the last year. Odds are the profession will get nerfed before the rune set does.

That’s OK though, between Defiant, Stability, and the incoming conditions nerf (because Warriors can’t be bothered to equip some condition cleanse) there won’t be much point in running an Engineer main soon. Good thing I rolled a Guardian.

Neeho.3859:

Did Devon get fired, or what?

The “Is it too hard” (Super Adventure Box) thread has 89 dev replies by page 19. One thread, 2 days old, has more dev replies than this entire forum (wvw) has received over the last 2 months. If you had any doubts about where Anet’s concerns lie, this should answer them.

The SAB page has 8 dev replies on the first page, sPvP has 8, hell, the Necro forum has 2… and nobody to address wvw concerns. Again. We need Anet to pay attention to wvw concerns in order to even hope to get anything fixed. That isn’t happening. If you continue to ignore us, we WILL continue to go elsewhere.

Engineer has… Oh, look. 0.

Hey look, ANet added Tribulation Mode to WvW, too.

Great, yet another high-ranking server who has to own everything/everywhere just to not loose ground in total score. If we keep this up, we will get to face Jade Quarry before the league even starts.

My hats off to you, Crystal Desert, your coordination is quite amazing. I think you may find us a challenge in small group play, though, and I look forward to that.

Dasboba.1652:

I would argue the easy answer is the reduction in stacks/duration not an icd. ICD makes the rune single target only which defeats the purpose of aoe interupts. It already annoys me that half the sigils in this game only hit 1 person on crits when I’m using aoe abilities. I’d still probably use them w/an icd though as long as it wasn’t something crazy like 20s.

This is why buff procs are ALWAYS gonna be better than debuff procs when internal cool downs are used to balance skills and traits. That being said, this dovetails nicely with a confusion build on an engineer, and I will be using it anyway… unless the scavenger, or traveler runes are as good as they seem to be.

At bars?

/15 char

NevirSayDie.6235:

So the profession that’s the hardest to play should be OP?

Compare to Mesmer, another high-to-very-high skill ceiling profession, yet at the higher levels, they can pay off in DPS, Conditions and/or amazing utility, depending on what you need.

We need a bit more pay-off at the higher end, or at least bring up some of the crappier skills (gadgets/turrets) to give us some more options. And as for the potential for passives on the gadgets, it would be nice if we had some more buffs that couldn’t be removed or used against us. We can’t weapon swap, so a passive, no-kit build is ALREADY one skill down from any weapon swapping profession, not counting their professional mechanics.

Maybe reactive gadgets would be the way to go, with a counter-play build into them for certain circumstances.

Mif.3471:

Nime.2089:

The problem is, we are only 10% of GW2: https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/guild-wars-2-the-first-year/

I’d like to see those numbers for only level 80 characters. Just because people have made Engineer alts, it doesn’t mean they’ve played them for more than a few hours.

This is exactly what I thought. As someone who has studied infographic and data visualization, this looked very questionable at best, and misleading at worst.

1. There is no indication that this represents hours played vs. toons rolled. kitten , I KNOW there are more guardians than that everywhere in the game.

2. There is no graphic indicating a percentage breakdown of hours played as certain professions by the Devs, Beta testers, or other affiliated parties. This would be a strong indicator of potential bias. We know where this is going, too.

3. There is no information about hours played vs. achievement points, indicating not just hours played on a toon but what content people playing these toons have been successful with. This would break out a LOT of the misinformation, including all the rangers that may or may not be played by bots.

4. Where is the breakout graphic showing break down of PvE, sPvP, tPvP, Rank Weighted PvP, and WvW hours/ranks?

I don’t think we’ll get this specific information because it will reinforce what people already assume about the game and it’s mechanics. Specifically that more insiders play the big 2 – Guardians and Warriors (Greatswords, Greatswords everywhere); The hours played by these professions correlate to higher achievement points, higher WvW ranks, and higher overall pvp ranks. With the WvW ranks there will be 2 in a close second, Thieves and Mesmers, due to OP class mechanics.

If Achievement points were used to weight percentages of hours played, I would be willing to bet there is an even bigger reverse bell curve to be had in this data.

Even more interesting would be graphs like:

Hours played per profession every month since beta – ALL game areas.

Characters created vs. hours played.

Break out races (hours played – monthly) by xPvP, WvW, and PvE only. (asuras have smaller animations, big surprise).

Achievement points / hours played – xyz graph with professions as the z-axis. (I call this graph the Bot Spotter).

WxP earned per hour played by profession.

Here is the aforementioned engineer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W75T8P1fdok

If you are the only person left alive, you don’t spawn as many adds as having 5 (+pets) that can be hit with the AoE shake. If you dodge the AoE, you only have to deal with a normal zerg of spiders all trying to kill you… which this guy didn’t.

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

lunyboy.8672:

Broadicea.8294:

Name professions that aren’t “viable” in TA F/U and we’ll make a group to go do it. But when we clear it in your non-viable professions you have to prostrate yourself before the entire sub-forum and admit you’re completely clueless.

3 rangers, 2 necros. Let me know when you have the video up.

It should be pretty easy for you guys, and if you wouldn’t mind putting up a guide to show how you did it for people who might play these professions, that would be a very nice addition.

Good Luck!

So let me see here…… Reflection and AoE Blinds? That will be so hard.

OK, so when should I expect the video?

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

3 rangers/2necros lol. Way to make it easy. Should have said 5 necros if you wanted to make it a challenge.

Na, chain fear, blinds… too easy.

After rolling a Guardian, I have to say the most common exploit is playing a Guardian.

Broadicea.8294:

See well that would be stupid party composition to take regardless of what you’re doing. But it would be trivial to include a ranger and a necro in the group.

HAHAHAHAHA! Thanks so much for that response, best laugh I have had today.

GG.

Nikaido.3457:

This is the only mmo where people complain that they can’t do all content in a decent manner without a balanced party composition that has at least a modicum of reflect (you don’t need a guard to have enough reflect for F/U). In all other mmo requiring a balanced party for some of the higher end content is considered normal. Nobody would complain they can’t do [insert boss with enrage timer] because they don’t have a dps in their party etc.

But in GW2, require any sort of mechanic and suddenly people whine like crazy. They should be able to do all content on the worst build, worst 5 party set up and still be able to get through everything.

There is a lot of whining, but most of it comes from the lack of a trinity. I’ve played games with, and I have to admit, I wasn’t excited to play a game without it, simply because it isn’t comfortable to adjust to literally “any” party composition.

But that is the way it is supposed to be in this game, how it is advertised and one of the selling points. The fact that you can say there is a “bad” party composition flies in the face of the entire elimination of the trinity in the first place. But once you have the mindset that there is such a thing as a bad composition and even worse “bad” professions, then the elitism isn’t far behind. As evidence by the responses to people who get frustrated with a fight that is, as I said before, broken.

You CAN do F/U without a guard, but you better have some other reflect skills handy if you don’t want to die horribly.

And frankly, to have people who are legitimately frustrated with a boss mechanic that doesn’t take their profession into account made fun of on the official forum should be a giant red flag for the developers, and ANet in general.

I’m not saying it should be easy, nor am I saying that everyone should be able to faceroll/speed run it, I am saying it should be completable without having to reset the entire instance, and reroll as a guardian.

It is a legitimate gripe that people like to brag/troll/deride because they are bored with living story content.

Broadicea.8294:

Name professions that aren’t “viable” in TA F/U and we’ll make a group to go do it. But when we clear it in your non-viable professions you have to prostrate yourself before the entire sub-forum and admit you’re completely clueless.

3 rangers, 2 necros. Let me know when you have the video up.

It should be pretty easy for you guys, and if you wouldn’t mind putting up a guide to show how you did it for people who might play these professions, that would be a very nice addition.

Good Luck!

colesy.8490:

Well you see Bright, lunyboy prefers to play how he wants and then when ANet don’t allow him to, he makes moronic complaining posts rather than actually using the appropriate combat mechanics.

Moar name calling… I am so hurt when random rude people call me names behind the safety of their keyboard.

My post was concise and clear about the issues surrounding this content, did you have a counterpoint, or is “moron” the best you can do?

Bright.9160:

‘I refuse to use game mechanics to make my life easier, and in doing so, I’ll go complain on the forums about how I can’t successfully complete some content that focuses around said mechanics.’

It’s like going to your car technician to complain that you can’t drive faster than 30km/h and when he asks why, you say that you believe that going in higher gears is cheating. It just makes you sound like an idiot.

“I refuse to acknowledge that the professions that I play are the only viable option in certain content, and will not under any circumstance admit that said content is unable to be beaten any other way.”

You can call me names if you want, but that doesn’t make my point any less salient. Attacking me instead of refuting my argued position simply shows that you have no rebuttal, just Ad Hominem and a poorly-crafted Straw Man metaphor.

A more appropriate metaphor would be asking the car designer why certain cars s/he makes only go 50 mph, and others go 500 mph, when they are all supposed to function similarly, and being told that it’s “fun” to go 50 mph, enjoy the scenery.

Then I go to the drivers of those 500 mph cars and ask them why my car doesn’t compete on all the tracks available, and being told, “learn to drive.”

“But my car was designed only to go 50 mph, there are no other gears…”

“Not another thread about this, L2D.”

But please, continue with the trolling and the ad hominem, I might even listen if I thought any of you actually could beat it with no guardians, mesmers, or warriors.

Those fractal weaps…. not even once.

I have the pistol, and I am never, ever going to equip it, or skin it over anything.

Period.

colesy.8490:

Maybe you should find Nikaido’s naked group then.

Also, I’m pretty sure ranger has reflects, and if you wanted any of the guys here in dungeon guilds to beat it with any whacky class combination you can think up, I’m sure if you ask they’ll record it and show you.

This is the problem, people don’t understand why feedback and reflect wall (et al.) are broken, OP mechanics in most dungeon content.

Rangers have one reflect, Whirling Defense – http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Whirling_Defense

And their pet Can’t evade the poison from the tree shakes, and also can’t be stowed while in combat.

This dungeon encounter is Broken, capital “B” and being elitist doesn’t fix it. It was poorly designed (as was the dodge roll mechanic) and 0 attention was paid to the profession mechanics used to “beat” it.

Other examples of broken fights vs. profession mechanics: Lubicus vs. well… everything, but esp. Mesmer Feedback and Ele’s FGS skills. Someone posted that a fully buffed Ele could “only” do 125k damage with one skill.

Lolz. Working as intended.

http://i746.photobucket.com/albums/xx106/jsteinz/faceroll30.jpg

guanlongwucaii.3162:

nikaido posted a video of people 4 manning it

videos with no reflects have been done along with other suboptimal things like bad dps

yet it has been done. stop complaining about this path, read the advice that is out there, and learn how to do it.

but i do agree that the tree boss is terribly designed and that the spiders should definitely reset properly after wipes

edit: jesus christ how the kitten is kittenING evading considered a kittenING easy mode tactic? EVERYONE can evade. if you don’t evade you suck, you’re bad and you shouldn’t be kittening complaining about ANY bossfight.

Whoa dude, calm down.

My point is this, you guys all thumping your chest about how this fight is “one of the only difficult fights in the game” and telling people to shut up about this path and “l2p” and it isn’t that at all…

And I went through ALL the videos; they all had reflects or absorbs.

All of them.

Prove me wrong if you like, and get it on video, because what I saw was mostly people just tanking the tree shakes creating the infinite spawn of spiders, and then reflecting all their projectile poison.

Using broken mechanics on broken professions to beat a broken fight isn’t “knowing what you are doing,” or even “skill,” it is simply using the SAME strategy to clear all the Pve content.

Let me break it down for you.

Stack.
Reflect.
Burst.
Evade.

Your snobbery about this fight, or any fight in PvE, doesn’t really matter since you solve all of your problems with just these 4 “techniques.”

Can you beat it with Engineers, Necros, and a Ranger? Of course not, because you don’t have the access to those 4 things as easily.

It’s easy to brag when you play easy mode.

Mr Quinn.9815:

So, we gonna get to have (up to) 80 man teams, or are we still stuck to the ridiculous 5?

:)

Wonder how long it will take for a 5-man group to speed kill it alone…

g e o.2589:

Nilkemia.8507:

What? Um, where’s the source for this “you need 80 people to beat Tequatl” statement?

That’s what Dulfy said, but I think she meant 80 total noobs who only know autoattack.

With that much lag, that is all most will be ABLE to do.

Epic.3950:

…vitality is a throwaway stat when you want to go full glass…

Think I found your problem…

There is actually a pretty good thread around here where a guy outlined a max DPS build, just start with that, toss in 3 knights pieces of gear, equip Elixir U and go.

TBH if they put an internal cooldown on them shorter than 90 seconds, I’m still gonna run them. I had forgotten how much fun some of these combos are, and how much fun interrupts can be, even if they don’t proc confusion.

And after a week or so playing with them, I can say they aren’t as OP as some of the other broken professions/builds (I’m looking at you, Hammer warriors) and in the wrong hands, inexperienced players are gonna die faster spending too much time thinking about how to interrupt targets, and not enough actually fighting.

I REALLY wish I had taken video this week of the perplex engies I’ve stomped. You have to be a decent PvPer (I am barely that) BEFORE you equip the runes to be able to use them well.

This is not a faceroll to win rune set.

Did this path the other night with some guildies. It is quite broken, and I noticed that the elitists are out in full force trolling instead of actually helping someone with real advice.

GG guys.

Jinks.2057:

lunyboy.8672:

Jinks.2057:

lunyboy.8672:

Jinks.2057:

The ppl who defend this kitten are absolutely hilarious.

Not NEARLY as funny as the people whining about it.

“Oh no, I can’t faceroll everything in the game anymore!”

Get some condition removal, and maybe try ROLLING a Necro, Ranger, or Engie, so you can see how their skills work, and which to avoid. Watch some youtube vids of Condi tanks “pwning noobs,” and then play defensively with that in mind.

If you think condi is balanced in this game LOL

Not arguing with ppl who want easy cheese for pvp.

WAAAAAAHHH! I just wanna be OP enough… WAAAAAAHHH!!!

But seriously I’m tired of getting killed and really need this to up my kitten

LOL I love quoting out of context and whining on the forums.

We know you do.

Carighan.6758:

The only issue is, ANet will end up nerfing Confusion (as a whole, again), not the runes specifically. When both the Runes and non-Mesmer confusion is already superior to Mesmer-based confusion. :’(

Mesmers were (are) over-powered, primarily because they have access to the 4 biggest things in the game that matter: boons (perma protection for one), damage mitigation (while attacking), DPS/Condition builds (and tankiness with either), and stealth. Not just stealth, but 2 group stealth skills while moving, a 10-second AoE haste, portals… seriously.

The amount of confusion a single mesmer can drop on an entire zerg at a time is ridiculous, and despite the 5-target limit imposed on most other skills, several mes skills don’t have that cap.

The confusion nerf WAS misplaced, because other professions and racial skills should have been left alone and MESMERS should have been nerfed instead.

If you use goggles, they will serve as a decent stun break.

Art.9820:

In World vs World you can use it… to jump in a zerg like a kitten and cast everything among them and pray to survive

Oh yeah boy I like to live dangerously

One fun thing I was doing tonight, using the runes of REDACTED was to drop the smoke bomb, blast it with shield 4 twice and then rocket boots for 4 seconds of stealth while flying into an enemy zerg and depositing BoB. Then once that goes off, drop supply crate on those not knocked back for another round of interrupts. It was mostly a suicide run, but man, watching those guys mash 1 with 5+ stacks of confusion was fun as heck.

Rocket boots are the most amazing thing the ANet devs have given us thus far. Forget the damage, and embrace yet another blast finisher, which works well in combo with the HT tool belt skill, just hit F1 then Rocket boots for a large radius AoE heal for around 1k+.

And if you drop and overchage the Heal Turret, then blast it, then Rocket boots, you heal for 8k+ and share about 5.5k with up to 5 ppl around you.

They are excellent with MOST builds, seriously.

I just want to level TEST TEST TEST TEST TEST and see what it does.

I am going to place drinks on this table. If you are thirsty, you can purchase one of them for the change in your pockets, but I will be adding drinks every 15 minutes or so, and if you wait, you might get something to drink that you really like.

I already refunded your money for the tepid milk, what more do you want?

Aberrant.6749:

Theftwind.8976:

Stice.5204:

The current implementation of Runes of Perplexity seems out of balance with both other superior rune sets and other skills and traits that apply the confusion condition.

Sure, they have potential counters just like other conditions, but something is clearly off here, balance-wise.

Are they off balance or do people need time to learn how to deal with them?

They are imbalanced when compared to the other rune sets.

As I said before… these are build defining runes. No other rune set is like that.

Are you kidding? No other build defining rune set?

Have you hear of Soldier runes? Melandru? Scholar? To some extent sets like Rune of Earth, and Lyssa…

Come on, there are no other CONDITION build defining runes, but there are PLENTY of rune sets that define builds.

Direwind.8409:

…
if you take a direct hit (not aoe) you should have stealth removed.

You can’t direct target someone in stealth, unless it’s a channeled attack. The odds of having one of those going on while the thief goes into stealth is VERY slim.

There are several ways someone in stealth can take damage, and you may want to clarify this so that everyone understands what you mean. If you omit indirect damage from AoEs, omit cleaves, and only allow channeled attacks, then this is practically moot anyway.

I however DO agree with blocked attacks triggering revealed, as well as your other points to some extent, but thieves WILL need some other buffs to those builds that rely heavily on stealth. Nothing too unbalancing, but maybe some changes to increase survival just a tad.

Excalibur.9748:

As S/D engies are fun to fight against. I think those roaming engies are kind of suprised when they lose to a thief…you can tell they are not used to it judging by how aggressive they are when they see me

S/d and s/p are exceptionally good builds for roaming against certain professions. I am not too afraid of s/d, since I am not a boon stacker (gave up after the boon hate meta kicked off). But that being said, any thief that doesn’t run d/p right now has my respect, and I won’t be aggressive with them simply because I can’t be sure how they are gonna fight.

D/p thieves using basilisk venom make me lol so hard, though.

Straegen.2938:

It seems we are not talking about your DD… we are talking about runes that allow your class and other classes ability to stack condition. The speed at which an engi can stack condition when built for is shocking. I cannot get near one with that build without seeing 5+ stacks practically the entire fight even with decent condi removal.

If only you had something that you could use at range, while keeping your target crippled (with a pet maybe?) and with that tool, you could throw sticks at a high rate of speed toward me while kiting out of range of my CC…

It could to be a piece of wood maybe with a string tied to it… any thoughts?

Of course they won’t bump it up, there would be no incentive to craft 500 level ascended items to increase our kit stren…. oh…

Never mind, we have no incentive either way.

PS. I have a fractal pistol with no stats, can I just assume this will continue to be a useless non-skin skin that ANet expects me to transmute with the fancy Gem Store crystals?

King Amadaeus.8619:

lunyboy.8672:

King Amadaeus.8619:

Silas Drake.8946:

King Amadaeus.8619:

Silas Drake.8946:

Man, you know this thread is dull when half the post are from the same screwball and not even on a second page yet.

Yeah and essentially from only 1-2 servers….Our apologies but SF refuses to discuss and/or argue over things like:

“Golem rushed your bay!!1111!!”
“I capped your tower!”
“PPT”
“Whose winning”

We are enjoying the fights, and the outmanned buffs. Have had fun so far this week. Well when we are not dodging AC fire from everything…But that is to be expected at these tiers.

Had a blast commanding in EB yesterday evening, even turtled up Durios a few times, until SE got too organized for us and wiped us out. Ninja’d it back later though so “world kept on spinning”. Had some great fights, and then later on DH/HoD BLs with my thief just roaming.

My only request is less “Siege Wars 2” more open field fights guys.

Or like “they only know how to siege”. I feel ya brah, hard being so classy.

\o/ 2nd page.

Yeah one day in the future the people that are still playing this game will realize how much siege ruined the game…And all 5 of them will probably quit too.

Now that you have dropped a little, are there less groupies?

SF doesn’t get mass transfers, just 1-2 people here and there. And usually a few leave, a few come, some come back some stay gone.

Every server has more people if they are first in the PPT, just the nature of the casual way this game was designed.

PVE is our biggest threat, hard to blame them when ANET makes is a huge gold farm every hour for 45minutes…Beyond that we are fine.

Yup, we got some of that here. I would guess that is why this thread is so quiet. Hard to forum warrior when you are tagging Aetherblade Champs for loot.

Darek.1836:

lunyboy.8672:

Jinks.2057:

The ppl who defend this kitten are absolutely hilarious.

Not NEARLY as funny as the people whining about it.

“Oh no, I can’t faceroll everything in the game anymore!”

Get some condition removal, and maybe try ROLLING a Necro, Ranger, or Engie, so you can see how their skills work, and which to avoid. Watch some youtube vids of Condi tanks “pwning noobs,” and then play defensively with that in mind.

hi I rolled all of the above
on all 3 classes I have less than half the time on my guardian. Im also really good on my guardian. Howver with the exception of going against high burst on my engi, I can easily win almost every single 1v1 using the above 3 condi builds.
maybe you’re the one who should try to roll a melee DD build and try to fight a condi spam build (protip, except for specced warrs, you can’t)

I also kittening Lol’d when you said “play defensively” against condis. that’s step one to getting your kitten whooped HARD.

Why would I want to? I don’t care about your profession, I like my main. Besides, if you weren’t so worried about your DPS, you might be able to stack condition clearing. So cute when you DD Melee types can’t be bothered to use anything but DPS gear. Lol.

I know who you are, Moobs, and your tears taste delicious.

King Amadaeus.8619:

Silas Drake.8946:

King Amadaeus.8619:

Silas Drake.8946:

Man, you know this thread is dull when half the post are from the same screwball and not even on a second page yet.

Yeah and essentially from only 1-2 servers….Our apologies but SF refuses to discuss and/or argue over things like:

“Golem rushed your bay!!1111!!”
“I capped your tower!”
“PPT”
“Whose winning”

We are enjoying the fights, and the outmanned buffs. Have had fun so far this week. Well when we are not dodging AC fire from everything…But that is to be expected at these tiers.

Had a blast commanding in EB yesterday evening, even turtled up Durios a few times, until SE got too organized for us and wiped us out. Ninja’d it back later though so “world kept on spinning”. Had some great fights, and then later on DH/HoD BLs with my thief just roaming.

My only request is less “Siege Wars 2” more open field fights guys.

Or like “they only know how to siege”. I feel ya brah, hard being so classy.

\o/ 2nd page.

Yeah one day in the future the people that are still playing this game will realize how much siege ruined the game…And all 5 of them will probably quit too.

Now that you have dropped a little, are there less groupies?

There are Thieves in WvW?

You’re kidding, right?

Jinks.2057:

lunyboy.8672:

Jinks.2057:

The ppl who defend this kitten are absolutely hilarious.

Not NEARLY as funny as the people whining about it.

“Oh no, I can’t faceroll everything in the game anymore!”

Get some condition removal, and maybe try ROLLING a Necro, Ranger, or Engie, so you can see how their skills work, and which to avoid. Watch some youtube vids of Condi tanks “pwning noobs,” and then play defensively with that in mind.

If you think condi is balanced in this game LOL

Not arguing with ppl who want easy cheese for pvp.

WAAAAAAHHH! My Warrior isn’t OP enough… WAAAAAAHHH!!!

But seriously. Get some condition removal, man up and L2P.

Straegen.2938:

lunyboy.8672:

Conditions can be cleansed, most professions have some form of cleanse that syncs nicely with popular builds. You may have to sacrifice some dps for it, but most of these “condi-tanks” have sacrificed for their build as well.

Most classes do not have a cleanse. Most do have multiple condition removal but the conditions that are removed are seemingly random. Condi builds typically apply multiple conditions and there are almost a dozen different conditions. A player removing conditions better hope it removes the best ones. Condi builds also apply conditions in rapid fire so as soon as they are gone they show right back up.

I also don’t think condi damage itself is a problem but being coupled with defensive skills on bunker style builds makes it problematic for a lot of classes particularly those with low HP pools. At least with direct damage you know big damage = squishy. Going bunker or control should come at the cost of DPS not increase it as it is doing in some cases.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Condition_removal#Skills_that_remove_conditions

From the wiki:
“the most recently applied condition or conditions will be removed first.”

All professions have skills and traits that remove conditions, some do have more than others, and some have more convenient ones than others. But it is still there.

“..Low HP Pools…” Stack vitality. I stack toughness to combat your direct damage.

“..apply conditions in rapid fire…” Learn their skills, my grenades show a red circle and hang in the air for a few seconds. I learned skills from most other professions so I could know when to dodge out of them.

“At least with direct damage you know big damage = squishy” Not really. What Warriors call “big damage” is damage I have never seen myself. I have 0 skills that hit like 100 blades. Perhaps it would be enough to run some PVT pieces, lose some DPS for survivability?

“Going bunker or control should come at the cost of DPS not increase it as it is doing in some cases.” It does, at least for my profession. I don’t hit like a truck when I do ANYTHING. My pistol #1 hits for (considerably) less than the retaliation that is procs. For that matter, my Grenade #1 hits for less than retal does back to me.

I have access to very VERY little stability, a medium health pool on leather armor, very little in the way of direct damage without rolling extreme glass cannon. I believe the same is true for Necros, who wear light armor. Would it kill you to wear some Pvt and use a bit more condition removal?

Or are all the OP professions going to start complaining that they don’t want to have to worry about conditions, so just nerf them all into the ground (again)?

Edit: Oh, you’re a ranger, so you know how it is to be at the bottom of the pile. Ok, so I can’t categorize you as an OP profession, BUT…. Rangers can basically spec anything they want in this game, conditions, healing, DD, control, etc. So why don’t you just get a set until they get nerfed and see how it goes? XD

I posted my build for meatless murder on another thread, but when I finally realized this is the best way to deny the pup his meat, I got the achievement on the first try:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/engineer/Meatless-Murder/first#post2612202

Essentially it is a condition duration heavy build with freeze grenades. You basically just go 30 in explosives for Grenadier, and then swiftness on kit swap and vigor on swiftness. The other 20 points are up to you.

Chill sigil on one weapon, and chilled duration on the other, I clocked in with freeze duration around 14 seconds with freeze grenade. Basically, they stayed chilled for the entire duration of the fight.

I use rocket boots as well, mostly because I love them, but they helped quite a bit.