- elixir gun? -> easy to flank, low damage since he uses DoTs
You keep on thinking that.
We’re in the same boat as you, Fisthammer. How are we supposed to investigate? Just go on a witch hunt? You realize every server gets accusations of cheating..oh..probably a couple times a week? With hardly any evidence to go on, if any? And it’s already over and done with, after the fact, and this isn’t CSI…there’s no real evidence trail to follow, and we’re not privvy to Anet’s logs or anything, as to who-did-what. Don’t you think you’re asking a bit much of the average casual gamer?
We’re not asking any of you to do that, so please don’t drop a steaming pile of crap on our desks, either.
Note that HoD doesn’t get accused of cheating in our match-up threads (anymore). WvW is fun for us, even when we lose (we were in T8 for a while). If someone cheats on our server, and anyone sees it. We report it. Period.
I get that making sure no one is cheating is hard. I am not putting it on your desk, and saying “here, you deal with it.” I am simply giving you the details that you need to look out for. I am sure there is some type of command hierarchy, or at least, a few bigger guilds who know what is going on, and they should see the patterns.
Deal with it, don’t deal with it, I don’t really care that much after tonight, but I will tell you this from my experience in other games.
Exploitation is a culture.
When it becomes acceptable, or at least an “open secret,” it spreads like a virus. With a wink and a nod, certain people are selected to use the arrow carts, or small teams are hush hush going to take a tower. Because it is usually limited to the “cool kids,” at first, everyone wants to know about it, or understand what is happening, so they can be cool too, or at least not look like nübs.
Before you know it, people are asking about things they shouldn’t in map chat, and people who are tired of cheating to win start thinking about leaving.
How do I know this? Let’s say this isn’t my first MMO, and just listening to the oral history of certain servers in this game has given me quite a perspective on it specifically as well.
(Forum Warrior Mode Off) Most of you IoJ folks seem like decent people, and I have thoroughly enjoyed fighting you, and even getting stomped by you. Please don’t take any of this personally, I am sure 99% of you are just casual people who like to play a team sport of sorts after work, like we do.
I have said it before, and I will say it again, we NEED to be able to grab a beer and hang out where we can actually meet people or at least video conference, instead of having black and white text be our official medium of exchange. That is one advantage of local softball or bowling leagues, we get to enjoy the drunken camaraderie after the match. And when we guest to each others LA, the damage is done, we are already either angry or indifferent, and it seldom works out well, because… well… it’s TEXT. AGAIN.
Have a good next match up, and remember, WvW is a mini-game inside of another video game, and the score doesn’t go on your permanent record
(Forum Warrior Mode ON)
UGH! ME FIGHT YOU!
Chest thumping
PRYBAY TO FACE!
Well I have noticed one difference between IoJ and NSP. If NSP does not have at least a 3 to 1 advantage they will run away. At least IoJ will fight no matter what the odds are. So IoJ will fight but boy oh boy can NSP ever run away in a hurry.
I’m pretty sure you’re confusing rolling over 3 or 4 people with your HoD zerg and then getting crushed and humiliated by NSP’s “zerg” with numbers approximately 10 – 20 less than yours.
Uh huh. Like the 25 plus and a golem you used to take the southeast tower that was protected by only one defender, without any siege weapons and no supply. Was it necessary for those “outnumbered” NSP to laugh and dance on me after they rolled over me? No I am not confused at all. I mean they were real brave and skilled.
100% true, I was on my way in when I saw that zerg already inside. We were still trying to figure out what happened to bay and keep the SW secure, and you caught us at our most disorganized.
Whine all you want about how much you hate siege… but you had golems… to take an easy South tower.
Lol.
Hmm, I was the one flipping your EB corner today for IoJ. If you can tell me which guild was hacking please let me know, Ill have a talk with them. The reason we took your corner was because you had no presence not hacking, And us and NSP were just playing the little WXP flip and retake while they came back for EB stuff in your corner and then back to your BL to continually roll you guys. Again if you know of anyone hacking on IoJ and their Guild Name let someone know. We dont tolerate it, Dont point blank fingers if you cant prove it.
Anyways I will say this, Theres a good 7 hours at LEAST to catch up in points.
We’ve closed 10-15k gaps in that amount of time, I dont think catching you will be a problem if things stay the way they are.As for the kitten throwing around about IoJ needing to be on an EU server, Even there time zones would be skewed, because we have OCEANIC COVERAGE. Not EU, Please learn that. I am an NA prime, We still field ~30-40 in EB and our BL if need be. If you actually played with us when we were in first, EB is almsot always queue’d with 50+. IoJ NA is Largely PvE, But if we are winning you see our numbers double in no time. Anyways i’m done replying to forum warriors and trolls.
Dont think ill be getting on the forums again before Reset so good match up HoD and NSP. The whole BL disconnect thing Friday-Tuesday before they update really screwed us up, but eh kitten happens. Look forward to seeing you guys again sometime. Respect to Smitry and Bird for being great commanders to go against and Awesome Guys. Cant say the same about HoD sadly as I havent seen any of their commanders do anything but trash talk on the forums
Not today, yesterday afternoon.
Our Bay flipped with less than 45 seconds of notice. Period. We had swords for around 15 seconds, because as I said, I waypointed into bay, ran out the back gate and through the wurm gate toward the NW camp around the same time you would have been working on the doors, and there was NOTHING going on in there.
Nothing.
We had people INSIDE the outer gates and no outer gates had been breached when it flipped and all the sudden they were attacked by NPCs.
I am not saying you are hacking, nor most of IoJ, at all. I AM saying that this was suspicious, and we were ACTIVELY patrolling all of our towers and keeps with sentries near each gate (yes, even water gate at Bay).
If you ninja’d it, fine. Fair is fair. But I have been at this for over 6 months, and I have NEVER seen anything like that. No siege at the doors (I checked them all, and was the reason it had swords right after you took it), any of them, no golems on the inside (as I said, we had people in there).
Nothing.
And even 3 omegas, with time warp, would have taken 1:30 seconds to breech outer and inner and kill the champ on a fully upgraded T3 keep. I have the math already done, because with the new glut of cheap siege, it will be a tactic we will ALL be facing now.
I am just getting tired of all the questionable tactics that go on, especially since people on HoD go our of our way to police each other for it.
In T8, it wasn’t a big deal, we fought with ET and FC, and won mostly, but we would never think of cheating, and both ET and FC never showed signs of that either.
Before when it was GoM, NSP, and HoD, there was VERY little cheating, and it was addressed by the commanders and called out on the forums.
But with Zoomhaven™ last week, and then all these questionable caps, it is intensely frustrating to be playing to the best of your ability without hacking and have your opponents pull shenanigans because for them, winning is more important than playing fair.
It is FAR more discouraging than being ganked repeatedly by NSP’s Hot Join Heroes™ that would rather stomp people running between towers and camps than actually contribute in a larger way to their servers benefit. Heck, I don’t mind that at all by comparison, it think it’s funny.
Bring your guardian then?
I stopped playing my mesmer many months ago when I realized my phantasm support spec was going to be useless, and that any DPS spec I tried out far underperformed against my teammates.
They need to do something about damage with the way fights are designed. Nerf guardian utility/boon uptimes, maybe touch warrior DPS a bit. Then design fights so there’s multitasking involved that also asks for something more than damage.
Like mobs that are only vulnerable to condition damage and need to be dealt with. And more boonstripping (give mobs random 25 might stacks and prot and fury to make mesmers and necros more valuable).
High vigor and endurance regen should be looked at, dodges are too plentiful outside the necro. It’s time toughness and vitality stats start gaining some value because you just can’t mitigate something with dodging.
Reduce the HP of bosses, but give them aoe damage auras that give value to stats like toughness and vitality. Introduce mechanics so that melee can’t just ball up on a boss on top of a reflect field and kill the boss in 1-2 minutes.
This is one of the best assessments of combat mechanics issues I have read on this board. Kudos. The only other thing I would add is the issue with defiant, negating a good deal of the CC certain classes have access to, but rarely get to use much in PvE.
i don’t have pictures.
but how about a video? http://youtu.be/-crIMg3uTdM
meet KoMPAXA. it was a fun night, especially when we ran in to GT, and wiped our feet on IoJ’s faces a few times together.
-> video courtesy of a guildie – that is not me.
So what we learn here is a group of people on voice comms who are coordinating targets can beat a pug group of comparable size. Amazing, never before have I seen the like. takes notes
I did read it. Makes perfect sense.
This match up is basically Hod Vs Nsp. Ioj are no where in sight. When we do see a zerg its rare.Oic….so, behind us (a lower ranked server) up until a couple days ago, now you’re 5% ahead of us for the weekly score…..yeah, you are crushing us. Thank god we have our door glitches, zoom hacks and Australians to fall back on (all of those things are cheating right?).
For serious though, the basis for your chest thumping is akin to winning the prize for smartest kid in the special school. Congrats on your 18th place ranking by the way, what color’s that medal?
^^^Mostly directed at the hilarious HoD posters above. At least NSP seems to have perspective, humor……………….and skill
So now you are fighting on the forums for second place as well?
Well I have noticed one difference between IoJ and NSP. If NSP does not have at least a 3 to 1 advantage they will run away. At least IoJ will fight no matter what the odds are. So IoJ will fight but boy oh boy can NSP ever run away in a hurry.
I’m pretty sure you’re confusing rolling over 3 or 4 people with your HoD zerg and then getting crushed and humiliated by NSP’s “zerg” with numbers approximately 10 – 20 less than yours.
3-4 people? 10 people? You mean like the 25 people, 2 alpha and 3 omega golems we stomped try to take our hills last night?
You stopped you 3 time, stopped those sneaky IoJ from coming in the back door and it finally fell to superior numbers.
I have screen shots of myself lobbing grenades at you guys time and time again, all with the outnumbered buff up. You may have taken most of our BL, but it isn’t because of your skill, it’s because of your coverage, yet again.
PS. Thanks for the over 300 badges yesterday!
(edited by lunyboy.8672)
EDIT: when in the kitten have we had more numbers and LOST to you guys on open field?
Pics or it didn’t happen. Leli don’t have pictures.
but how about a video? http://youtu.be/-crIMg3uTdM
meet KoMPAXA. it was a fun night, especially when we ran in to GT, and wiped our feet on IoJ’s faces a few times together.
-> video courtesy of a guildie – that is not me.
WOOT. First time I am in any of the videos… well, at least my quote is…
thx Obby
why all the hate and sarcasm? the OP was just sharing his story of how he did the dungeon THEIR way, as a group, and completed it.
Because the elitists think it is hilarious to make fun of people who are actually having fun doing some of these dungeons for the first time. What they forget is that the first time THEY did the dungeon, it probably didn’t go as well, and after a few rage quits, they eked through it, and then bragged to all their friends about how easy it was.
So precious.
Labeling people you don’t agree with elitists /justgirlythings.
Making fun of people you don’t agree with. #jrhighmuch?
Who says I don’t agree with you?
Who answers questions with questions? :/
I don’t know?
I want to dislike you, you elitist you, but I can’t.
I… I feel.. No one has ever said this to me before. T_T *tears of joy *.
I ain’t even mad. Carry on.
why all the hate and sarcasm? the OP was just sharing his story of how he did the dungeon THEIR way, as a group, and completed it.
Because the elitists think it is hilarious to make fun of people who are actually having fun doing some of these dungeons for the first time. What they forget is that the first time THEY did the dungeon, it probably didn’t go as well, and after a few rage quits, they eked through it, and then bragged to all their friends about how easy it was.
So precious.
Labeling people you don’t agree with elitists /justgirlythings.
Making fun of people you don’t agree with. #jrhighmuch?
Who says I don’t agree with you?
Who answers questions with questions? :/
I don’t know?
I want to dislike you, you elitist you, but I can’t.
FYI – We take engies, thieves, rangers, necros… heck we take any professions available on runs all the time, and they never take 3 hours. My guild did it with only 1 war and one non-DPS guard BEFORE the nerf patch (2 engineers… lol).
I think the longest run we have ever done was CM, which is a hilariously terribly designed pile of steaming ridiculousness. That maybe was 3 hours, but mostly because we had never done it, and had to figure out spawn order and kill order. Talk about a long slog for almost no rewards.
why all the hate and sarcasm? the OP was just sharing his story of how he did the dungeon THEIR way, as a group, and completed it.
Because the elitists think it is hilarious to make fun of people who are actually having fun doing some of these dungeons for the first time. What they forget is that the first time THEY did the dungeon, it probably didn’t go as well, and after a few rage quits, they eked through it, and then bragged to all their friends about how easy it was.
So precious.
Labeling people you don’t agree with elitists /justgirlythings.
Making fun of people you don’t agree with. #jrhighmuch?
Who says I don’t agree with you?
Who answers questions with questions? :/
