Guild Wars 2

yeh good point i didnt really spend much time thinking about the build, i could take 5 points out of acrobatics i think and throw that into deadly arts to make up the extra 5%.

I want a greatsword. Or big knuckle dusters.

Saw a load of WvW P/D vids today so thought i would just record some footage of a similar build in Spvp.

I find Necro’s and guardians are the hardest to beat with this build.

5 krait runes , 1 necro mancer. Corruption and agony sigil

I think were going to start to seeing a lot of wiggling players in Spvp soon.

Yeh i agree with all the stuff brought up here. I cant wait for the ranking system at the moment once you earn enough tokens to get your armour/weapons sets their is no incentive for a casual player to do tournaments, and that really doesnt take long.

Personally i dislike the downstate system, more so in 8v8 spvp because preforming the finisher is just like wearing a kill me sign. Some classes also are much better at finishing players than others.

for example Thiefs are great at getting people in the down state but because they lack stability they can be interrupted by any aoe CC or the guardians down state for example. But on the other hand they are insainly good at finishing warrior and any other class with a single target 2 ability because stealth has a low CD unlike some classes stability buffs.

Ele and mesmer are great at finishing anything because of their invulnerability skills.

Im also 100% behind you on removing the cost of entering paid tournaments , hopfully they will merge free and paid tournaments once they add a rating system. Then for example you get free paid tournament rewards untill 2000 rating for example then once above 2000 you start getting the paid tournament rewards for first place.

aydenunited.5729:

Disagree. Enough games already have a similar system.

Too many people want this to be WoW or GW1. If it’s not for you, those games still exist and you can go back to them. Thankfully, this game has a different direction planned.

Im only talking about a game type so people would have the option, im not saying remove downstate from the game just give players the choice to play a game type that includes it and one without.

use a soldier amulet, use mist form when he jumps you. Or switch to water attune to remove basilisk poison dodge roll away heal up. Or use lightning flash to teleport away. Or use shocking aura. Or switch to earth for protection boon then stun/ heal up.

The main thing that screws thiefs over really is chill that burst spec cant remove chill which makes it very hard to get behind you reducing his damage by 50%.

Columba.9730:

rancidstick.2704:

You can’t kill a good thief in this game.

Largely true unless you have a fg aoeing and ccing in every direction. WIth culling they can have perma stealth, the highest dps in the game and the highest mobility. The culling must be fixed so that thieves actually need to give up something to be perma stealthed.

Ele has much better mobility, perma swiftness + 2 charge attacks and a teleport.

Im just curious how many people would be interested in a hard core game-type , essentially the same as we have now but with no down state, and remove the calls like trebuchet incoming.

Vincu.2865:

Yeah we are very curious about all the ways to improve the damage

You could beat it if you could set this up in WvW, with food buffs and your extra gear stats.

I would like to see something like this so you dont have to carry a minipet with you to use it. Or just make the deposit all collectables button not affect them. Like a special mini pet tab up the top near where you join mists and open other menu’s.

I do love minipets but i dont currently carry any with me. I dont have an invisible bag or something like that, just 12 slot pvp ones. So its always a pain when depositing collectables throws my minipets back in the bank.

I havent died to a warrior in fair fight in a loong loooooong time, the only time i ever get killed is if im finishing a player and get stuck in the animation while he quickness 100 blades me in the back.

Even before they buffed arrow speed on rangers i was steamrolling them.

Just slap a cripple or chill on the warrior and watch him frantically try to close the gap between you, its also hilarious that speed modifiers effect the distance of your charge abilities so if he has chill on him he goes almost nowhere with bulls charge, or if he does make it to you, its so slow you can easily dodge roll backwards.

bah its gone weird again and the command doesnt seem to want to work.

thankyou for the lovely screenshot.

it is a bit strange im unsure whats wrong really, i did the flush a few extra times and put all my settings to low while logging an alt and im back in again, ill keep you posted on any changes.

Ashley Segovia.8276:

Hi mickers – I’d like for you to try clearing your DNS cache. To do this, follow these steps:

1. Press and hold the Windows key and press the R key. This should bring up the “Run” dialogue box.

2. In that box, type “cmd” without the quotes, and click the “OK” button. A DOS window should open.

3. Enter the following command below and press enter: ipconfig /flushdns

This should clear your DNS cache. You may need to perform this command a few times.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH!

Ive managed to log onto my main so lets hope it stays that way.

all my Christmas love to you Ashley <3

Im having a really hard time loading LA on my ele main, all of my other alts load it fine but currently my ele seems to get stuck in limbo 90% of the time i try to log in. recently my guild chat has also become laggy not allowing me to see people online , switch between guilds or talk in guild chat.

My in game lag is fine though everything works when i want it to , Spvp and WvW are smooth.

i included a picture of the error i keep getting while trying to talk in guild, when this login error pops up i am still able to talk in map chat , walk around and use my skills fine.

ive tried disabling my fire wall, configuring it.
Changing all my settings to low on a alt to see if that helps LA load on my ele.

i got my doll tonic on second try few days ago, tried ventari today 10 tries and didn’t get it, gone back to farming more gold so i can try again.

i was leveling my alt when i first came across these boxes, when being the same level as them i was just instantly destroyed if any range ones came out of the box.

Is there a way i can get the toy frame back from the mini charr soldier.

I crafted my toy charr before i knew you could make tonics. I never really use mini’s ever because i don’t have an invisible bag so it just gets deposited with collectables which makes it frustrating to bring.

I would even be willing to buy the tonic or frame from gem store.

cool thanks for info , im going to give that a try when i get a little higher level at the moment im only lvl 13 so ill stick to D/D and switch a little later.

Ive been having a lot of fun in spvp on my thief and want to level him up for dungeons, i want to be able to do hearts and events quickly, which weapon set should i use, i assume bow will always be the secondary weapon because of its aoe. And any utilities that work really well in pve.

Ive played D/P and D/D burst and condition specs mostly so im pretty comfortable with stealth , i enjoy all the weapon sets so im really just aiming to level quickly in my christmas holiday while i have time off.

I think this is a tech problem but im not really sure.

My elementalist seems to have endless loading screens in LA and WvW. All of my other alts can log in fine ive deleted the dat file and tried some new driver’s ( im going to try more).

Ive tried disabling firewall also.

The only way i can currently log into my ele is by logging an alt changing the settings from a mix of high to medium all to low/none. Really using it as a temp fix so i dont miss christmas event.

I didnt have these problems a few days ago either so i guess it might be something to do with patches, dont know why it would only affect my ele though.

Rhynor.4015:

Deleting the local.dat file from my game folder fixed that problem for me.

Hey thanks ,this worked for me, i was unable to load lions arch on my ele and only that character, all my others worked fine.

i think he is talking about the buff to pistol/pistol that nobody uses, or the trait that makes people move faster in stealth which again almost noone uses because the other traits are still more useful.

Just put chill on a thief and watch him squirm while you melt his face off.

the main problem i notice in Spvp when playing as a P/D thief is when you do a 2v1 and kill one of the players the res is much quicker than the finisher and you dont have enough damage to punish the person ressing, so if i start finishing someone the same time they start getting healed its a never ending cycle till one of us get bored and give up.

At least on my ranger i had piercing attacks to hit the downed player and the one ressing so i could kill them both together.

Im debating taking quickness just so i can get finishers off, the worst ive had it is playing against 2 warriors i must have killed one of them 4 times ( they weren’t great players) but they played well as a team just standing next to each other and watching when one of them died it allowed them to have unlimited lifes.

Just thought i would say it because all the people complaining about being killed xv1 against condition thief.

some of the slots could probs be changed for personal preference i only took shadowstep as a stun breaker really.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fYAQNAqYVlUmCNHdy5E95EB3DnC1mqpQm2sTBXlPA;TsAgyCuo8x4jwHbUOfk+sWYswMAA

im not sure how to fix the link but copy paste works

RyuDragnier.9476:

Personally I say just do something about how long you can stay in stealth and the cooldowns on the stealth moves. Make it so they can’t go into stealth so often and can’t stay in it for long periods of time, and the problem is fixed. Or if they want to make it so you can still stay in it for long periods of time, then make it so a hit on somebody in stealth (not condition damage) will knock them out of it.

The mechanic where thief taking damage breaks stealth will NEVER work in this game, unless they remove the ability to attack without a target. Cloak and dagger is a melee range skill the second they become stealthed they would be immediately hit out by whoever they are fighting.

How long in stealth is too long?

XII.9401:

Daecollo.9578:

XII.9401:

20,633 health, 1281 toughness. I got hit for 15367 damage in UNDER a second. If I was an Ele with lower health I’d be dead aka one shut in UNDER a second.

So:

1.My armor is half vitality and half toughness. No tough/vit on weapons and trinkets. Glass cannony. Regardless. I thought you were not supposed to one shot a person in under a second in this game? Last I checked this isn’t a FPS.
Even with higher toughness/vitality I can’t survive two thieves doing this in under a second..let alone a class with lower base toughness/vitalit like the ele.

2.Damage by unknown in the picture. We still can’t see thieves once they come out of stealth.

3.There are ridiculous resetalthing cooldowns on thieves. Anyone fighting a pistol thief condition build can testify to that.
Can’t fight what you can’t see half the time..its almost like..hacking..

4.Thieves can travel faster than ANYTHING across the map and you can’t catch them.

5.You can finish a downed player or rez one while stealthed. Why isn’t any action taken in stealth breaking it? Its bad enough already that you can initiate an attack unseen.

I find it silly that we are talking about e-sport when these ridiculous issues are still not fixed.

How is it the thieves are still unbalanced this long into the game?

I already have two good pvpers quitting over the broken thief class mechanics saying -rightfully so- that needing this much time to fix such simple imbalances in a thief means they will take another year to get to the bunker builds or the mesmer. I have been telling them for months to give it time. They have more than two people working on it but they usually start by balancing the OP professions like eles and Engys.

So is the message that we should Roll one of the holy trinity: Mesmer, Guardian or thief or leave the game with our money? One things for sure..one year from now Eles and Engys will still get nerfed =D .

First of all this is WvWvW, Esports is SPvP, so your topic is wrong.

Your stats are poor, my thief has 1780 toughness and 18000 health.

Your a Warrior, you have higher armor/higher health (8k more then thief does.)

So basicly, your in mostly berserkers gear, a glass cannon, complaining about another glass cannon destroying you, you have no toughness, little vitality. (20k-18k=2k extra health.)

You deserved to die that easy and deserved every point of that damage.

1.I thought the amulets represented the stats you can obtain by a full exotic set of armor, jewlery and weapons? That means that this situatation is reflected in spvp. Thus, this is reflected in e-sport. Unless your suggesting the open space and fresh air makes this situation different than spvp..I’m not talking about tower siege.

2. Having your armor consisting of a balance of toughness and vitality does not constitute a glass cannon. A glass cannon would be someone who does not put on 6 pieces of armor having vitality/toughness.

So are we supposed to go full toughness/vitality in spvp or wvw to survive a thief?Why should all the classes tailor around the thief class? That is called imbalance.

3. Kinda not interested in your stats. I got hit by a glass cannon and my health dropped to 25% in under one second. Mind you, I never saw it coming since its stealth and now I am starting a fight blowing my heal less than a second into the fight..how is that fair? Why are thieves allowed to do so much damage and stealth away?
You should not do this much damage in under a second. And if you did..how come your class is the only one allowed to get away with it while other glass cannons sit their and pay the price after they burst the opponent?

PS: That was sarcasm at Eles and Engys being OP.

You can get food buffs in WvW that arent available in Spvp, also the gear in pve allows you to mix and match much better, also you have more stats in pve because of extra jewelry and accesories, e.g back slot. + the new fractal ascended gear makes this gap larger.

Just thought i would share some Spvp game play i recorded today, its really hard to get decent matches recorded as Pistol dagger because you kill things slower which lets other people join in on the fight.

urdriel.8496:

The argument is simple, fix asap the render issue or change stealth , you can choose, but half times i fight against a rogue 1vs1 , i can see in combat log, unknown hit you for X(hi render/stealth bug).

This render issue is only in WvW right? i never really noticed a problem in Spvp on my ele.

Zgroza Czarnych.6190:

Wilow.3061:

Zgroza Czarnych.6190:

Saintly.8062:

Stealth does not prevent all damage. In fact, it doesn’t prevent any damage. It prevents direct targeting. There is a very big difference between the two.

what dmg get thief in stealth ?

Not 100% what you mean, but if a thief stealths and doesn’t move, and you keep swinging, the thief will take all that damage. All stealth does is prevent you from seeing/targeting the thief for a few seconds. We’ve said it before, and will continue saying it, stealth =/= invulnerable. You do know you can use most abilities without having a target right??

my ranger cant see thief then I dont do dmg only my RF go in space and 0 dmg
I make barrage on myselfe and thief in stealth do dmg on me and he dont get any dmg

you can do dmg with RF to invisible thief

urdriel.8496:

mickers.2715:

urdriel.8496:

urdriel.8496:

Asum.4960:

A Thief permanently stealthed isn’t doing anything, and a Thief getting revealed can be locked down.

You can stealth, kill a dude with a combo (i saw 2 or 3 thieves using macros to kill faster), and restealth because you can stealth IN COMBAT, the real issue is that thieves can use stealth in combat mode, first game i see that you can use a stelath skill while fighting, ah, and ofc , the eternal bug of render…, at least thief should receive a movement speed debuff while stealthed but, actually they have a perk to run faster in stealth mode so….

Many games allow you to stealth while in combat, WoW Swtor i think Aion but im not sure about that one. If they implemented a slow to thiefs in stealth it would make backstab impossible to land on any good player, the problem i see mostly is the second a thief stealths people just sit there or back peddle.

if you take damage while stealthed in WoW stealth status is removed , You CANT STEALTH in combat in WoW, you must exit from combat or run 5-10 sec to be able to restealth (last wow i played was BC), and yes , have sense that you have same or improved speed in stealth…. you can sit or you can run, the thief will catch you anyway, because he run faster than you
(stealthed or not)

You can use the ability vanish in WoW , vanish keeps you in stealth for a few seconds even if you are taking damage, plus you dont take into account that in wow you cant spam your autoattack/cleave you need a target to use abilities. Also more recently in wow rogues move faster in stealth than any other characters normal movement speed , also said stealth out of combat is PERMANENT.

also for the person who wanted a video of rapid fire hitting someone in stealth.

beat me to it asum

Zgroza Czarnych.6190:

Stealth also doesn’t interrupt skills in progress. This is the complaint by thieves. For example, if you stealth while a Longbow Ranger is using Rapid Fire, every single arrow will hit you while in stealth. I don’t think you even know what you’re talking about with this part.

buahahahaa Rapid Fire is interrupt when you go stealth. Stop talking liers. If RF always hit then I know where you are but RF is rupt and dont lie.

it isnt interrupted unless he walks behind you.

urdriel.8496:

urdriel.8496:

Asum.4960:

A Thief permanently stealthed isn’t doing anything, and a Thief getting revealed can be locked down.

You can stealth, kill a dude with a combo (i saw 2 or 3 thieves using macros to kill faster), and restealth because you can stealth IN COMBAT, the real issue is that thieves can use stealth in combat mode, first game i see that you can use a stelath skill while fighting, ah, and ofc , the eternal bug of render…, at least thief should receive a movement speed debuff while stealthed but, actually they have a perk to run faster in stealth mode so….

Many games allow you to stealth while in combat, WoW Swtor i think Aion but im not sure about that one. If they implemented a slow to thiefs in stealth it would make backstab impossible to land on any good player, the problem i see mostly is the second a thief stealths people just sit there or back peddle.

You can also block or blind him when he comes near , if his attack misses it still uses initiative.

Try and cripple him if he starts walking towards you, he needs to hit you with cloak and dagger to stealth if you kite away from him while throwing marks down , dodge roll if he comes in mele range and his head ducks down. that means he is about to use cloak and dagger, they can only use it twice before being out of initiative.

If he stealths using a healing ability or something throw that fear mark on your feet and use the others where he is. If you wait eventually he will have to come to you for a restealth but the fear will cancel that.

He probably has the trait remove a condition every 3 seconds when in stealth.

Its also likely that he has 0 or 1 stun breaker so maybe flesh golem could be a good option. Also pets sometimes get in the way of the pistol attack because it doesn’t pierce or bounce to different targets.

Switch to using greatsword, or try ayra’s axe/mace , mace/shield build. It will work much better than your current weps. Also greatsword has enough mobility to keep up with a thief short term.

I played warrior every day of the beta, i spent most my time laughing when i instant kill a thief with greatsword skill three. The second you saw a poof of smoke you knew they were dead.

Dagins.5163:

Shinhwa.1604:

[…]The only way I can seem to make the shortbow worth using is going from cond build to crit so the thing at least hits harder.

Thief is supposed to be built around crit and power. Going for pure condi damage means kittening yourself. Sure, you can do this, you can do many things in this game, but it won’t be as effective as crit/power.

Condition damage is actually pretty great + allows you to take some traits to remove conditions and restore health while in stealth.

Immobilise and stand behind him so he cant use Cloak and dagger. What class do you play buki.

In the short term i doubt it, i think all the projectiles could use a speed boost, the range on the teleport is decreased a lot just because of how slow the arrow is.

Its a problem on every range character though really, the worst is guardian scepter and ranger longbow.

i agree with mouse.

Ive been playing ele a long time and im actually having a lot of fun with the thief which im currently leveling and pvping on. after playing an ele everything feels slow compared to it. Thief is the only thing that comes close but can be VERY weird because the melee range is so small, but once you get used to it the class is great fun.

Just dont play ranger got it to 60 and just dropped it, all you do is autohit and your pet tanks everything.

that would be pretty disappointing, has anyone actually done the math to see if its worth applying 5 or 10 vulnerability stacks before doing an unload or just doing 2 to 3 unloads.

a 10% buff to warrior rifle dmg, just kidding. I would like to see body shot merged with unload so it puts on vulnerability and skill 2 replaced with a cripple.

The easiest way to probably counter this build is to immobilise chill or cripple and dodge roll when he comes close for a cloak and dagger. If you dodge that he is pretty screwed as you have slow initiative regain. With the carrion set up he probably only has 900-1k toughness. It is a screw you build to warriors though, i dont think you should ever lose to a warrior while using pistol/dagger.

ive been using the same build as wild bill in Spvp , its so much fun dancing to get cloak and dagger off. The only real problem with the build is no stun breaker or good way to get out of a immobilise because you cant turn to cloak and dagger someone hitting you in the back. I replaced devourer venom with shadow step and preform much better.

I know culling is a bit weird at the moment but on the flip side is it intended that channelled abilities continue to hit you through stealth. For example the rangers rapid fire ability. Or should these abilities stop firing or become misses when the thief enters stealth. Its not too much of an issue for me but just thinking about fine tuning.

Every time invis procs when i get low hp in pvp i just happen to be casting cloak and dagger at the same time which then breaks my stealth.

It isnt free though, you need to spent 6 initiative to stealth yourself to get the good bleed ability. And anyway EVERY class has some from of degen on one weapon set’s auto attack.

Elementalists scepter causes a burn on autohit while attuned to fire, and a bleed when attuned to earth.

Guardians burn every 5 hits

Warriors rifle bleeds

Necros scepter

engineer pistols

Mesmers staff

Also most pistol thiefs lack a good stun breaker so just stun and destroy them. Or necro aoe degen works well too. and most tournament teams have lots of degen removal + itsonly single target. In my opinion thiefs could use a piercing talent like other range classes so they can bleed more than one target at a time.

Just really wanted to get this idea out of my head and written down so i could add more in the future.

One thing i would like to see in the future of the ele is a good weapon for single target 1200 or 600 range damage. Yes i know we have the staff but its mostly aoe which is very easy to avoid and lacks mobility which really is how we survive in pvp.

When i hear elementalist i think of throwing a barrage of elements at the player, none of the current weapons really fulfill this, i did feel more like an elementalist when using the conjured greatsword auto attack.

I was thinking maybe 1handed sword abilities for the main hand and making all the abilities do block damage without condition damage so we have something that is a polar opposite to sceptre which contains lots of conditions on all the attacks.

It would also give ele’s more weapons to play with or collect skins for.

possibly some placeable wards on the weapon as utility/defence.

just one off the top of my head.

Ward of air: turns random enemy boon into a 3 seconds chilled buff every 20 seconds , ward lasts 40 seconds? so its comparable to frozen burst.

Skill 2 could be a charge type ability which can then be unleashed from any attunement which shoots all current charged elements at the enemy.

collect air ; Barrage of elements
churn earth ; Barrage of elements
summon water ; Barrage of elements
conjure fire ; Barrage of elements

You could either shoot all 4 elements at once for a big burst but risk having the opponent dodge or block it. Or you could use barrage after each charge giving ele more sustained damage.

use a sceptre dagger is my best advice for leveling. go 10 into arcane first then water so you get the gain buff depending on attunement and from water remove a condition when attuning to water.

Our base hp is a bit silly i am jealous of every other class due to passive defence or base healthpool which allows them to take a boss hit and living on 25% where as ele you arent as lucky as them.

Sure we have great healing so normals mobs are easy but cant really outheal a instant kill from a boss autoswing. And dont comment learn to dodge because anyone who isnt a machine cant dodge 100% of the time.

At 80 get lots of vitality.