30 laurels. Annoyed that I have to rework all my pieces again. For 1 single amulet.
30? So it takes a month to earn the amulet for 1 character. More grind.
Combo Killer is going to be slightly annoying, seems like it has to be a killing blow.
Well thats ridiculous.
Yet another nerf <sigh>, yet whats the bet that the ridiculous requirements for crafting apothecary gear and the poor drop rates on karka shells remain.
This game has grind, it’s undeniable. Is it the most grindy? No, I’ve played the asian 500 level games and they are certainly worse. But for a game that wasn’t supposed to contain a lot of grinding they certainly packed in as much as they could and then topped it off with Diminishing returns.
Spot on, for me personally a lot of the angst would be alleviated if they changed drop rates on mats so a player can actually farm the mats needed for crafting without it being a grind. As it is only the most hardcore of farmers are actually able to get the mats needed for crafting.
So if Anet has already identified the issue of having Ascended only in Fractals, and repeatedly said (and announced) that it will be fixed, not in the future, but tomorrow, yet we still get complains? How about just waiting for less than 24h (it’s not much) and then taking out the tomahawk of war.
Whether its available just in fractals or not its still vertical progression and still against their original manifesto.
very simple question. This talk of AOE, mesmers, theives, this and that. I am very astonished how out raged a group of people become over a virtual game that costs a small price.
Quite simply because they are taking something away from us, plus its seen as them creating an issue where none exists ie. the complete lack of complaints about aoe despite what they said.
I wouldn’t start panicking about our oceanic poor showing yesterday yet. It was australia day so most folks were at bbq’s etc celebrating hence the outmanned buff on several occasions. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/diverse-celebrations-across-country-for-australia-day/story-e6frf7kx-1226562528407
Plus it didn’t help with half our population being disconnected allowing JQ to take SOS garrison.
They will not be usable in WvW after the next patch.
Why not? Despite the compaints they aren’t really overpowered and they add flavour to WvW.
so… the biggest question ofcourse…
do we get to skin baby quaggan’s to make the backpack ourselves?
now that would be awesome…
LOL
As has been clearly stated in this interview (http://www.guildwars2junkies.com/tag/diminishing-returns/) ANet allows us to “farm” but what they mean by “farming” is totally different what the majority of playerbase considers it to be. Point is, that if anyone wants to farm X stuff it is basically not possible. First because quite large loot tables, second because 70% if those consist of trash (like Porous Bones) and third because you hit DR as soon as game decides you killed 1 too many mob in a single place/period of time.
Spot on its ridiculous why should I be so restricted in terms of farming for a specific mat? I don’t play the TP, I just want specific mats for outfitting my characters in a variety of ways and I can’t. The system appears to be implemented in such a way to drive the player towards buying gems.
Sea of Sorrows is the main oceanic server. IOJ was a secondary oceanic server but I think a lot of oceanic guilds left it.
You do know the there is a guild called Tsym that does this thing called “culling bomb” where they hide behind a building with a large group and then all rush out towards the enemy to exploit the culling.
I’ve seen all 3 servers do it.
During the initial trial of affinity culling we found that a number of players reported asset loading issues that were highlighted by culling. Any time that your client is aware of another character at all (dot on the map, targetable in world, nameplate is visible, etc.) then culling is no longer a factor because that character has already been reported to your client.
So you’re saying that the issues players had with allies not rendering were due to asset loading issues not culling and that this should not be an issue with this next update?
With the amount of ppl complaining about legendary weapons on the TP i do not think you will see asceneded and if you did you would just get more complaining lol. So kitten if they do kitten if they do not.
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With legendaries available on the TP it means ascended items should be there was well. how ridiculous to have whats meant to be the rarest item in game in the TP and not ascended.
In December we ran a one matchup trial of an updated culling system. Based on all the feedback we received, both during and after the trial, we will be transitioning to the updated culling system that we used in the trial. This update allows the culling system to handle allies and enemies separately so that being surrounded by a group of allies will not impact the culling of enemies (and vice-versa). The general consensus after the trial is that this system lead to a better player experience in WvW.
Whilst there was certainly some positive feedback for that trial the general consensus was not positive overall as the players in this thread are attesting
midnight ice is actually better looking than abyss.
You’re not alone. I’ve been waiting (probably in vain) for ANet to announce a way that Exotics can be upgraded to Ascended tier items. The introduction of Ascended items basically kills the Crafting disciplines because there is no way that crafters can make items that are as powerful as Ascended items. Weapons and Armor still have a place in that their skins are still visible and players might buy items just to transmute their appearance, but Jewelers are completely out of luck. Why would you even bother levelling Jeweler to 400 (outside of crafting Legendary Gifts) and amassing crafting materials when you can just save up your Laurels and buy an Ascended ring or amulet instead?
You wouldn’t and its an issue that anet must address and please not with stupid grindy requirements like those for crafting apothecary items which they seem disinclined to do anything about.
It would be nice but it’s a convenience thing. Let them sort out actual problems before this is considered IMO.
Its actually not a convenience thing. I mainly play mesmer or ele I both of which have quite different requirements depending on whether I’m with a small group or with a zerg and sieging. Spec for one and I’m noticeably worse of in the other situation.
I want it as well.
I’m just going to parrot what someone said already: make sure you guys don’t implement too many rewards systems over-complicating things. I could see that being messy and confusing for a lot of people.
Especially with WvW with badges and karma systems now, adding a 3rd seems very messy indeed.
The Ascended amulets will be obtainable with Laurels, the new currency, you get 1 from daily and 10 from monthly achievements.
Will we still get jugs of karma?
I play WvW and just wvw i was told by a dev that i need never leave wvw for gear progression, yet i now have to do dailies and monthlies for laurels. I dont think i have ever completed a daily in my whole time of playing GW2. I dont even know what they are.
-1 Thumbs down for me.
Whilst I complete dailies and monthlies while mainly WvWing I do agree with you. Its a pity that it seems ascended items will only be available via laurels and not in WvW via badges or via karma. Which is a pity. Time to spend those badges I guess given that I don’t really want to go for a legendary. And what use is karma beyond the Orr armor and the legendaries?
Rather than identify problems, you just say “oh we’re outmanned” and move on. I understand WvW is a numbers game, but you can’t except to keep using that as a scapegoat for your loses.
He said Maguuma have been more skillfull than YB overall what more do you want? Dunno why you guys are getting so hostile about other servers, move on. If you honestly want to give advice then give it objectively. I thought you maguumans had a sense of humour.
I have to go with Fort Aspenwood as more likely. With the new transfers, they are a VERY strong server right now.
Maguuma reportedly has gotten some transfers themselves, but they will still have to beat Dragonbrand and Crystal Desert to get to T2 (neither of which are anywhere close to pushovers). FA is much closer to start with and has a pretty strong case at this point.
Maguuma this week has the population to beat both CD and DB.
Was there ever a large outcry to nerf AoEs in the first place?
No there wasn’t despite arenanet’s claims to the contrary in their livestream.
Wait a minute…I’m confused here…Was there a wealth of server transfers lately to Maguuma?
Yes
After the GW2 experience I will not play another game with RMT again. It doesn’t matter that devs go into it with the best intentions it will end up corrupting the game as it has done with GW2.
I do hear ye on the toxic “community”, though…that is going to be a problem for ArenaNet down the line here, no joke. All we can realistically hope is that the worst of them eventually get too disgusted to continue and leave, and all we can realistically do is not descend to their level no matter how much incentive they offer us to do so. Ugh.
The toxic community has largely been created by anets own actions. The ascended gear fiasco, the karka event, DR, fractals, now aoe nerf, the list goes on. The toxicity only reached the level it has after these were all botched up by anet. A lot of it from GW1 players who feel betrayed.
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First post here, but i have spent 23 hours spread over a week farming corrutped lodestones in forstgorge sound, with 0% mf, with 160%mf, solo, in party. havent gotten a single lodestone. Mentioned it to my guildies they went to the same spot and one hour each got 4-7 lodestones, so either im having horrid luck and never seeing one or they have some magical drop chances. any idea?
Bugged DR, it has to be. Because they’re trying to individualise drop rates via the DR system bugs affect individual players.
Hard to tell. Mag is fighting 2 servers that can’t put up a fight right now.
No they’re fighting 1 server that has been decimated by transfers and another that they have gone way past in terms of population.
IMHO Mag has a T2/upper T3 population this week (based on prior experience). Whether that will change we’ll see.
CD is looking like tier 4 most likely DB as well with Maguuma and Kaineng squeezing them out.
Maguuma are now above CD and Dragonbrand
Yak’s Bend, you guys have some epic bad P/D thief’s cloak all day long.
It’s really hard to be bad at P/D Thief. It’s easier to be really good at P/D than it is to be really bad at P/D if that makes sense.
I really hate them atm, there are 2 Yak’s Bend guys running around P/D and all they bloody do is cloak cloak cloak…. It’s driven me nuts.
And? They’re on any server, dunno why you want to single out YB.
Fractals and dungeons
I have observed the following with regards to anti-DR:
1) Good loot occurs within the first hour or so.
2) Going to zones not previously been to helps.
3) Frequently moving between areas/zones, however timer shorter than in 1).
4) Minimizing harvesting of nodes.
5) Not attacking the same mob constantly over a period longer than 10-15min.
6) MF has no use.
7) Attacking mobs in a group helps to a degree.
8) Changing your activities, i.e. harvesting, killing mobs, dungeons, DE’s.
9) Not taking loot instantly the moment it shows up from dead mobs.
10) Overall sporadic behaviour encouraged.
IOW play the way arenanet wants you to play.
We only know that they want to make certain skills more situational. And i really think that is an overall good idea. I hate skill sets promoting mindless spamming.
Thats not what they said in the livestream though which leads one to think they are being reactive and not really thinking these changes through.
is there anyone actually denying it? i would think the popular sentiment of wanting LESS numbers is admitting it.
Zastari seems to be. Look we took you guys too lightly on reset and were disorganised on our own BL thats why we did badly there despite having probably equal numbers there, although how the queues actually work is still a bit of a mystery.
As someone who has been on YB for quite some time, I dont remember ANY of our commanders lately, there is no set WVW guilds that I ever see in decent numbers besides (hell) and (CL). We dont even put up trebs on our garrison mountain tops to treb dreaming bay or hills anymore. My only explanation is that we lost alot of our wvwvw focused people. Sadly I feel like we are a mindless zerg server, minus the large zerg numbers of some other servers.
YB feels very different then it did a couple weeks ago. Oh well
Which timezone do you play in? I’m oceanic and tend to be on at the tail end of the NA evening and there are commanders and guilds who have been on YB for ages, since the beginning. Honnor and Scorn, Baazutai and Badger Spirits, Subtle and OF, Dethroat and War for example. As for trebbing DB from garrison we were doing exactly that 12 or so hours ago as I type. The issue is that we’ve lost garrison a number of times due to Maguumas superior numbers.
As for the debate about Maguumas numbers its pretty clear you’ve gone from a 2 map server like YB to a 4 map server in terms of pop. Funny how when it happens servers always want to deny it, its happened to YB in matches with SOR and FA where in the middle of matches they received the transfers that took them to tier 2 and tier 3 respectively yet they tried to deny it.
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Here’s a simple info any dev can look into and decide for themselves if drops are bugged or perceived as such. Claw of Jormag event – the whole event finishes, people loot the chest, head back to see the Champion Icebrood Goliath and 3 Veteran Icebrood mobs still roaming around. Around 10 people start killing the Champion mob including me, full of MF gear (silly me, bought another MF gear on TP and trinkets and kitten) – zero drop. I mean not even Glob of Globby kitten … nothing. Nobody got anything. 3 remaining vets – no drop.
Yep, did Jormag yesterday for the first time in at least a week. Got 2 valuable metal drops and a white, from the mobs including champions and vets.
There are a few different knobs we can turn in regards to AoE some of the bigger ones being:
Radius of the AoE
Frequency of the AoE Damage
Damage of the AoE
Max Targets of the AoECurrently, some players causing the AoE are able to do more damage to one person while also controlling a portion of the field, compared to a player with single target damage.
In our balance discussions we always look at what these changes could do to PvE as well as PvP. Any changes we make will undergo a lot of testing, both internal and by our trusted alpha team. It is important to understand that we are not doing a blanket nerf to all AE’s or a dramatic adjustment of the damage AoE’s can do. There may be some cases where players can build for AoE damage, but are just not viable or other cases where AoE is clearly the dominate way to build, and as such the other builds get left on the side lines. Its these classes/builds that we are concerned about.
Thanks for the response but I still don’t see where the pressing need comes from.
Whilst I disagree with the change I would ask that if you go ahead with this change that you buff the classes affected in another area so as not to make the change in isolation. Classes likely to be affected by it like staff ele and engineers are already near the bottom of the classes in terms of overall strength any such change would only weaken them further.
Could you please state the preliminary findings?
Which AoE’s are pinging your radar?well necros
d/d eles
mind wrackin that order. id be surprised if findings are different.
Shatter mesmers have just had an adjustment. Mind Wrack doesn’t seem overpowered to me now.
I play a Staff Elementalist, and I use AoE attacks against single targets.
Why?
Because 90% of staff ele attacks are aoe, we literally have no choice and close to all our damaging aoes are clearly telegraphed and can be dodged out of by players who have a clue.
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Seriously though, AoE damage needs to be nerfed for PvP reasons.
Not IMHO, I mainly WvW and I have no problem at all with the amount of aoe damage.
If there was a problem where are the complaints about it?
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They aren’t nerfing it because people are using it too much. They are nerfing it because there is an imbalance in terms of damage compared to single target attacks.
Did you read the blog and transcripts?
This argument strikes me as missing the forest for the trees ie. aoe oriented specs overall are not strong specs, eg. staff ele is not a strong spec. When they choose to propose such nerfs while ignore the overwhelming power of some single target burst specs that kill targets before they opportunity to respond well you have to wonder where class balance is heading.
I’ve seen many games destroyed in the name of Balance. Balance does lead to boring predictable gameplay with no tactics.
Imbalance creates exciting unpredictable gameplay. As long as each side has it’s own strengths and weaknesses to the other side.
This, there’s a theory in game design that you should leave some imbalance in. This vid explains it well:
ANET devs talked in the chat/stream today (and in the recent past in blog posts) about nerfing Area of Effect abilities, which they see as a problem because there’s not a high enough opportunity cost to bring AoE, and it leads to weird things like players ignoring single target abilities even on single targets, choosing to use heavy AoE instead of stomping players in PvP, etc.
This doesn’t match my experience at all, except possibly in WvW. And I don’t see why any one should be able to safely rez a downed player in the midst of a massive zerg vs zerg, unless they take exceptional measures like popping invincibility and quickness, or having an “insta rez” utility equipped.
Exactly and no, aoe is definitely not a problem in WvW.
Standard skill balance approach is “If it’s not Warrior, it needs nerfing.”.
You forgot thief. Why is aoe a problem when a thief can kill from stealth before the target has any chance to react?
This AoE “fix” seems like a cover up for lazy WvW development. The dungeon argument is incredibly stupid as AoE is only used on groups of enemies (not counting eles who have no choice but to use AoE on single targets) where it should be.
The dungeon argument is stupid because they could change the encounter design to cater for aoes rather than nerf the ability.
I’m sure they’ll carefully balance the aoe in this game.
Because all their past changes/nerfs have been so carefully thought out……….. oh wait.
Hopefully giving portal to other classes will appease the PvP whiners (it won’t) and stop them from using it as an excuse for why Mesmer shouldn’t have any bugs fixed or under powered areas buffed (it won’t).
Well I don’t like it because it will remove some of the uniqueness of mesmers. I don’t really sPVP any more cause I find it boring but mesmers are not mandatory in WVW, useful yes but thats all.
Really glad with the upcoming changes, especially with lowering HP on some bosses in dungeons. I’m pretty exited about AoE nerf as well, like that change. For people who seem to take everything literally, they aren’t going to destroy AoE builds, they just want to bring them to place where it should have been from that start. Also they didn’t say AoE will be nerfed the same amount on every aoe skill. There are aoe skills that are fine, but there are some that are actually to strong.
Which abilities are too strong? And why?
Has it occurred to anyone that AoE is actually too dominant in this game? .
How is it too dominant? Give an example.
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That quote was more likely aimed at an engineers flamethrower, fits the description said and you can use it constantly. So yeah, more engineer nerfs I think.
Good point, the issue is then that flamethrower is hardly an overpowering weapon. and they want to nerf it further??
Did they specifically mention engineer? Cause given the recent grenade nerf I can’t imagine another nerf, from what they said it won’t be an across the board nerf to all aoes.
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